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I'd prefer if this was a women/girls-only thread, but guys are welcome to comment.

On another forum I've re-discovered, some girls have debated about whether they wanted to be considered hot or beautiful. Most of the girls felt that being told they were hot meant that they were sex objects, while they felt that being beautiful meant that they were not only attractive but also respected and loved.

So I ask the women of NSG: what is the difference between being hot and being beautiful? Are they the same thing? If they're not the same thing, what would you rather be? And guys: what do you think?

I believe a poll is warranted.

This is a side effect of them having one less brain cell than a horse fly.

On another forum I've re-discovered, some girls have debated about whether they wanted to be considered hot or beautiful. Most of the girls felt that being told they were hot meant that they were sex objects, while they felt that being beautiful meant that they were not only attractive but also respected and loved.

Perhaps it would be interesting to make a parallel poll for the guys: do they prefer to be seen as hot or handsome? :D

I'd prefer if this was a women/girls-only thread, but guys are welcome to comment.

As long as you don't mind "Old Male Fart" commenting. :D I think hot means sexy and not necessarily beautiful. Someone you might want to have a good time with but not bring home to meet Mom.

Beautiful can be sexy but she is someone you have a lot of respect for and would bring home to meet Mom.

Why not add a poll?

As long as you don't mind "Old Male Fart" commenting. :D I think hot means sexy and not necessarily beautiful. Someone you might want to have a good time with but not bring home to meet Mom.

Beautiful can be sexy but she is someone you have a lot of respect for and would bring home to meet Mom.

Why not add a poll?

I'm a tad afraid of polls... >.>

Though I might as well, maybe some women would want to be considered <insert joke option here> :p

Being hot almost exclusively implies a sexual attractiveness. Beauty however is a far more wide-ranging quality and one in which perhaps no sexuality at all is involved.

Hot is refers to looks, where as beautiful can be more all encompassing.

A girl once said I was statuesque. I would definately prefer that. :D

/pride

Being hot almost exclusively implies a sexual attractiveness. Beauty however is a far more wide-ranging quality and one in which perhaps no sexuality at all is involved.

When we were young I thought my wife was both beautiful and hot. She thought I was both hansom and hot. Now I think she is beautiful and she thinks I'm hansom. Amazing what age can do to the human body. :(

Hot is refers to looks, where as beautiful can be more all encompassing.

Yeah, what I said.

Your plagiarism knows no bounds. Prepare to meet my lawyer, Darth Cheney!

if a guy I know loves/respects me calls me hot it's a compliment, if a guy that I think is trying to get something from me says it, it pisses me off

same thing with beautiful.

All the girls I have talked to about this say that they would rather be beautiful because when they are told they are hot the guys mean it in a sense of the women being an object not a human. So I think girls want to be called beautiful instead of hot because most women want a friend that respects them, not a guy that wants them. I personally as a guy would rather be called hot.

Damn. Messed up the vote again. I gotta learn to read the OP before I vote. Anyway, disregard the solitary vote for hot, since I'm pretty sure I'm not a woman.

what about, aesthetically pleasing?

what about, aesthetically pleasing?

Well, I think this coupe is aesthetically pleasing even if the picture was taken with a Poleroid camera on July 6, 1968. I also think she was beautiful then and is now. :fluffle:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Celtlund/?action=view&current=July61968.jpg

Well, I think this coupe is aesthetically pleasing even if the picture was taken with a Poleroid camera on July 6, 1968. I also think she was beautiful then and is now. :fluffle:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Celtlund/?action=view&current=July61968.jpg

happy early anni.

also you can tell your wife I am coveting that wedding dress, I totally want it, it's so beautiful.

I call bullshit. Someone who is hot is also beautiful, and someone who is beautiful is also hot.

Well, I think this coupe is aesthetically pleasing even if the picture was taken with a Poleroid camera on July 6, 1968. I also think she was beautiful then and is now. :fluffle:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Celtlund/?action=view&current=July61968.jpg

I'm sure you mean couple, or was that shot taken before something bad went down?

There's a difference. I'll put it into words when I find the time.

There's beautiful and hot, but everyone's forgetting the most important one: fucking lovely.

http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/fucking-lovely.jpg

You girls are just splitting hairs, at least the guys aren't saying "Well you're a fine piece of ass."

Just take the compliment and be happy.

When we were young I thought my wife was both beautiful and hot. She thought I was both hansom and hot. Now I think she is beautiful and she thinks I'm hansom. Amazing what age can do to the human body. :(

Your wife should get her eyes checked. THIS is a hansom:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/HansomCab.gif

Well, I think this coupe is aesthetically pleasing even if the picture was taken with a Poleroid camera on July 6, 1968. I also think she was beautiful then and is now. :fluffle:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Celtlund/?action=view&current=July61968.jpg

I read coupe and thought I would see a picture of a car.

Back to the topic at hand, beautiful and hot are different in my eyes, and not necessarily mutually exclusive. I'm not sure how to describe it, so I'm not going to try right now.

I know which one I prefer a woman to be: beautiful.

Other important factors are intelligence (I want someone who can understand me, and I am going to be a scientist), religion (I'm Jewish), and a good heart (bitches need not apply).

In fact, looks rank pretty low on my list.

Yeah, what I said.

Your plagiarism knows no bounds. Prepare to meet my lawyer, Darth Cheney!

Darth Cheney slays lawyers like they were zombies. With a shotgun.

I'd prefer if this was a women/girls-only thread, but guys are welcome to comment.

On another forum I've re-discovered, some girls have debated about whether they wanted to be considered hot or beautiful. Most of the girls felt that being told they were hot meant that they were sex objects, while they felt that being beautiful meant that they were not only attractive but also respected and loved.

So I ask the women of NSG: what is the difference between being hot and being beautiful? Are they the same thing? If they're not the same thing, what would you rather be? And guys: what do you think?

Beautiful, of course. Being sexually attractive is nice, but I would really appreciate being intellectually and personalitiy...ie...attractive as well. Being a sex object would be somewhat offensive to me.

I like being both terms, depending on the occasion. When I'm walking around the pool in my little bikini, flaunting my abs, I want to be hot. When I'm wearing a fancy dress to do a singing recital, I want to be beautiful. I don't see any reason why I can't be both.

I like being both terms, depending on the occasion. When I'm walking around the pool in my little bikini, flaunting my abs, I want to be hot. When I'm wearing a fancy dress to do a singing recital, I want to be beautiful. I don't see any reason why I can't be both.

*pre-empts drooling menfolk*
*gets a mop*

I like being both terms, depending on the occasion. When I'm walking around the pool in my little bikini, flaunting my abs, I want to be hot. When I'm wearing a fancy dress to do a singing recital, I want to be beautiful. I don't see any reason why I can't be both.

I know exactly how you feel

You girls are just splitting hairs, at least the guys aren't saying "Well you're a fine piece of ass."

Just take the compliment and be happy.

hey if hubby said that to me I would totally drag him back to the bedroom :p

*pre-empts drooling menfolk*
*gets a mop*

I believe we require pictures so we can evaluate this claim.

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Um, the one about bikinis, not the one about mops.
To scoot back to the topic, are we defining beauty as physical or more all-encompassing?

I differentiate personally...I figure the difference is more in what you're trying to imply than what you're seeing.

*pre-empts drooling menfolk*
*gets a mop*

*makes Ifreann useful*

I don't use the word "hot." I'm just a snob that way - don't like the word at all. :p But the meaning of it to me implies more of an attitude than a look. Beauty itself is beyond attitude - it's either present in a person or it isn't.

I don't have occasion to use either term really, but I imagine it's all situational, like most language.

I like being both terms, depending on the occasion. When I'm walking around the pool in my little bikini, flaunting my abs, I want to be hot. When I'm wearing a fancy dress to do a singing recital, I want to be beautiful. I don't see any reason why I can't be both.

Could you take those contextual descriptors and put them into words I can use for things? It'd be really appreciated. I know what the difference is, but it isn't kept in my mind as words, and translating it is really hard.

I don't use the word "hot." I'm just a snob that way - don't like the word at all. :p But the meaning of it to me implies more of an attitude than a look. Beauty itself is beyond attitude - it's either present in a person or it isn't.

I don't like it either. But I still think that look has something to do with it.

I'd prefer if this was a women/girls-only thread, but guys are welcome to comment.

On another forum I've re-discovered, some girls have debated about whether they wanted to be considered hot or beautiful. Most of the girls felt that being told they were hot meant that they were sex objects, while they felt that being beautiful meant that they were not only attractive but also respected and loved.

So I ask the women of NSG: what is the difference between being hot and being beautiful? Are they the same thing? If they're not the same thing, what would you rather be? And guys: what do you think?

i think in my weird ass brain,that it can be looked at 2 ways,a guy thinks your "hot" and to me that means your hot in a sex way,as in i want to fuck that girl,beautiful can be construed the same,katherine zeta whatever is beautiful,and i dont know a guy that would not want to be intimate with her.
that is part 1,on the other hand,i know girls that i consider hot and beautiful that most would not,in the traditional sence,but to me they are because of who they are as people...so it has to be distinguished between if you know them bty there heart,or are judging by appearance.
there are so many hot and beatufiul girls out there that i may like if i knew them,but to the average guy,it is about the sex thing,and there is conversely girls that are beautiful and hot that the average guy does not think are,but thats cause they only judge by appearance,there really is no answer to your question.

I wanna be hot to those who are shallow and beautiful to those who are deep :) Because then you can still be respected by those who are respectful, but you're still 'hot,' so you're treated better by the superficial majority and get away with more.

I'd rather be called neither of those, mostly because I don't like being lied to, and because I don't want people to look at me like that. But if I had to be called one, I'd rather be called beautiful, because that's not as scary.

I like to think that 'hot' is an insult. Like, who I consider to be 'hot' are the girls that have killed their hair from changing the colour (mostly blonde) very often, wear a tonne of make up, and dress in 'whorish' clothing. None of that is attractive, IMO.

I believe we require pictures so we can evaluate this claim.

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IMS TC had a picture of her abs in the Sexiest NSer thread a while back. Her butt was in there too.
Um, the one about bikinis, not the one about mops.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9e/180px-Saturn-Moppy.jpg
To scoot back to the topic, are we defining beauty as physical or more all-encompassing?

That's the question at hand really. The consensus so far is that beautiful can and often does refer to more than physical attractiveness, but hot generally doesn't.

IMS TC had a picture of her abs in the Sexiest NSer thread a while back. Her butt was in there too.

*Waits for the Search Engine to jam from overusage.*

Hot is a notch on your bedpost, beautiful is serious. That, in summation, is me done for the thread.

I like to think that 'hot' is an insult. Like, who I consider to be 'hot' are the girls that have killed their hair from changing the colour (mostly blonde) very often, wear a tonne of make up, and dress in 'whorish' clothing. None of that is attractive, IMO.

If hot refers to physical attractiveness then if you don't find it attractive then it's not hot.
*Waits for the Search Engine to jam from overusage.*
It's not like the search engine was in a great shape before, I suspect the hamsters in that part of the jolt server will soon suffer cardiac arrest.

I was attaching an image that is most often associated with 'hot' by most people, and then commented on how I don't find that attractive.

I was attaching an image that is most often associated with 'hot' by most people, and then commented on how I don't find that attractive.

Yes, and I was pointing out that saying someone is hot is a subjective thing, and considering that the only way you could call someone hot in an insulting manner is to be sarcastic, it doesn't make much sense to consider it an insult.

Beautifull is the word men use when they want to have sex with a woman.

Hot is the word drunk men use when they want to have sex with a woman.

Wow! Someone else actually uses "hot" and "beautiful" to mean different things!

Anyway, I...

Darn. I just realized I have no actual means of explaining the difference between those terms in words.

According to my BF, I'm both hot and beautiful, especially when I'm.... ;)

The deal is that women actually believe there is a diference between beautifull and hot.

For example, when they see a woman that is more atractive than they are, they do recognize her as beautifull, but since they dont have a sexual atraction to them, they are not hot.

But for a man, hot and beautifull mean the same: because there is no way a straight guy will look at a guy and think he is atractive. That is why men doesnt need to make a diference between beautifull and hot [/crap]

The deal is that women actually believe there is a diference between beautifull and hot.

For example, when they see a woman that is more atractive than they are, they do recognize her as beautifull, but since they dont have a sexual atraction to them, they are not hot.

But for a man, hot and beautifull mean the same: because there is no way a straight guy will look at a guy and think he is atractive. That is why men doesnt need to make a diference between beautifull and hot [/crap]

and why can't men look at a woman and find her beautiful but not want to have sex with her? (because she is to old for instance) and why can't a man think that another guy is more attractive than them?

hey if hubby said that to me I would totally drag him back to the bedroom :p

LOL, Please tell me you have a single sister Smunkee! :p

and why can't men look at a woman and find her beautiful but not want to have sex with her? (because she is to old for instance) and why can't a man think that another guy is more attractive than them?

You seriously have testosterone issues.

I prefer pulchritudinous, thank you.

You seriously have testosterone issues.

I have? What did I say wrong? really, I'm feeling stupid recently (exams followed by a week of laziness and a lot of alcohol destroy the mind)

I'd rather be called neither of those, mostly because I don't like being lied to, and because I don't want people to look at me like that. But if I had to be called one, I'd rather be called beautiful, because that's not as scary.

I'd rather be beautiful than hot b/c beauty is a more natural and attractive thing. I'd be insulted if someone called me hot and happy if someone complimented me and called me beautiful.
:D

I use the terms lovely and beautiful, as a general rule. Hot seems... crass.

I'd rather be beautiful than hot b/c beauty is a more natural and attractive thing. I'd be insulted if someone called me hot and happy if someone complimented me and called me beautiful.
:D

I'd be insulted by hot, too. I wouldn't exactly be insulted by beautiful, it's just that I wouldn't want to know that someone was thinking of me like that. It would be creepy.

I'd be insulted by hot, too. I wouldn't exactly be insulted by beautiful, it's just that I wouldn't want to know that someone was thinking of me like that. It would be creepy.

Frankly, I hate being called hot too, it makes me feel like the person complimenting me is either realyl shallow or a creep. Though I hate it when people call me beautiful because then I feel like they're lying or full of crap.

Could you take those contextual descriptors and put them into words I can use for things? It'd be really appreciated. I know what the difference is, but it isn't kept in my mind as words, and translating it is really hard.


Huh? I guess, when I wear a bathing suit, I want guys to be like, "Hell yeah, I'd hit that! How'd she get such toned abs?", and when I'm doing a singing recital, I want all people to be like, "What a lovely, classical beauty. That black dress looks lovely with her fair skin, and she seems like such a good person, too."

Frankly, I hate being called hot too, it makes me feel like the person complimenting me is either realyl shallow or a creep. Though I hate it when people call me beautiful because then I feel like they're lying or full of crap.

Beautiful comes out a bit strong if you use it too early in a relationship I always think. I only use hot to describe someone among friends. Hmmmm still need a start off word for early on in a relationship, or when i'm just meeting someone

Beautiful comes out a bit strong if you use it too early in a relationship I always think. I only use hot to describe someone among friends. Hmmmm still need a start off word for early on in a relationship, or when i'm just meeting someone


Cute, pretty, pulchritudinous?

Cute, pretty, pulchritudinous?

Hmmmm. Pulchritinous does roll off the tongue in a very seductive way I must say

Instead of calling somebody "hot" or "beautiful", I prefer to call them "pneumatic" or "worthy of being a receptacle for my genetic material".

Frankly, I hate being called hot too, it makes me feel like the person complimenting me is either realyl shallow or a creep. Though I hate it when people call me beautiful because then I feel like they're lying or full of crap.

Yeah, that's how I usually feel about it.

I think it depends on my mood. Some days, I'm trying to look hot - trying to be sexy. Being told that I do look hot then feels good, whether it's my husband telling me or one of my friends (male or female). To me, "hot" is more of a temporary compliment. No one is "hot" all the time. It takes effort. I've never really thought of it as an objectifying term, although I can see how it would be. It would just depend on the intent of the person using it, I suppose.

But I think being told that you're beautiful is more of a lasting compliment. You aren't beautiful right now - you are simply beautiful. I also think it tends to be more of an intimate compliment - more of something your lover might whisper to you as you cuddle up at night. It means more in the long run.

Huh? I guess, when I wear a bathing suit, I want guys to be like, "Hell yeah, I'd hit that! How'd she get such toned abs?", and when I'm doing a singing recital, I want all people to be like, "What a lovely, classical beauty. That black dress looks lovely with her fair skin, and she seems like such a good person, too."
Someone is proud of her abs :p
I think it depends on my mood. Some days, I'm trying to look hot - trying to be sexy. Being told that I do look hot then feels good, whether it's my husband telling me or one of my friends (male or female). To me, "hot" is more of a temporary compliment. No one is "hot" all the time. It takes effort. I've never really thought of it as an objectifying term, although I can see how it would be. It would just depend on the intent of the person using it, I suppose.

But I think being told that you're beautiful is more of a lasting compliment. You aren't beautiful right now - you are simply beautiful. I also think it tends to be more of an intimate compliment - more of something your lover might whisper to you as you cuddle up at night. It means more in the long run.

Ditto on the beautiful=intimate compliment thing. You wouldn't see a girl in the street and thing she's beautiful, it's more something you'd reserve for your significant other.

I think it depends on my mood. Some days, I'm trying to look hot - trying to be sexy. Being told that I do look hot then feels good, whether it's my husband telling me or one of my friends (male or female). To me, "hot" is more of a temporary compliment. No one is "hot" all the time. It takes effort. I've never really thought of it as an objectifying term, although I can see how it would be. It would just depend on the intent of the person using it, I suppose.

But I think being told that you're beautiful is more of a lasting compliment. You aren't beautiful right now - you are simply beautiful. I also think it tends to be more of an intimate compliment - more of something your lover might whisper to you as you cuddle up at night. It means more in the long run.

*takes notes*

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(Takes notes as well)

I use hot when I talk about a girl with others. I've only coplimented a girl face-to-face once, and I just said she looked really good. She didn't seem to be offended or put off by that.

I use the terms lovely and beautiful, as a general rule. Hot seems... crass.

Yeah, it does.

Huh? I guess, when I wear a bathing suit, I want guys to be like, "Hell yeah, I'd hit that! How'd she get such toned abs?", and when I'm doing a singing recital, I want all people to be like, "What a lovely, classical beauty. That black dress looks lovely with her fair skin, and she seems like such a good person, too."

That's closer, so I'll thank you for that.

The deal is that women actually believe there is a diference between beautifull and hot.

For example, when they see a woman that is more atractive than they are, they do recognize her as beautifull, but since they dont have a sexual atraction to them, they are not hot.

I've seen women I thought were hot before.

Perhaps it would be interesting to make a parallel poll for the guys: do they prefer to be seen as hot or handsome? :D

I'd settle for not repulsive.

I get called both. And I like both. That is all I have to say about that.


No Forrest Gump refrence ntended

I want to be both. It depends, like others have said, on my mood and the situation. Some days, I appreciate my boyfriend telling me how "smokin' hot" he thinks I am. Others, I want him to tell me he thinks I'm beautiful, because yes, it does seem like a far more intimate term, and I think it implies value beyond sexual attraction.

And of course, there are the delightful in betweens and beyonds: "gorgeous", "stunning", "breathtaking", "capitivating"... ;)

Interesting topic...
First off: I'm a guy =P
Ok.
Beautiful: I link this to hot. Although 'Beautiful' is a 'higher level'.
Hot: If I think you're Beautiful, I think you're hot as well. Although sometimes I'll say "That chick is hot," and then link: "but I bet she's a fuggin' whore."
If I think you're hot, then you obviously have a lot of sex appeal, if I think you're beautiful, you've got too much sex appeal for your own good. And you know not to flaunt it.
Bottom line: Beautiful = good, Hot = not so good.

I want to be both. It depends, like others have said, on my mood and the situation. Some days, I appreciate my boyfriend telling me how "smokin' hot" he thinks I am. Others, I want him to tell me he thinks I'm beautiful, because yes, it does seem like a far more intimate term, and I think it implies value beyond sexual attraction.

And of course, there are the delightful in betweens and beyonds: "gorgeous", "stunning", "breathtaking", "capitivating"... ;)

I dislike "gorgeous" as it seems like a much awkwarder word than "beautiful". Doesn't come off the tongue as well.

I'd settle for not repulsive.

That's my ambition, too. :p

I dislike "gorgeous" as it seems like a much awkwarder word than "beautiful". Doesn't come off the tongue as well.

That's the problem with all these adjectives, half of them just don't sound right for some reason. I like pretty though. Pretty is a good word. Although to me pretty sounds more fragile than beautiful.

Hot is transient. Beautiful is for life.

That's the problem with all these adjectives, half of them just don't sound right for some reason. I like pretty though. Pretty is a good word. Although to me pretty sounds more fragile than beautiful.

Either that, or younger:D

Captivating is more my cup of tea. That or enthralling.

I like 'pretty' as I think it's a good and safe term for all situations- not too overly familiar, but still complimentary, especially with a 'very'.

Now I just need one of said situations to come my way. :rolleyes::p

Beautiful=Hot=Sexy

I´m male. That´s what I think.

I was going to pick the second option, but there is no way I'd be insulted by being called "hot." ;)

As a guy... I use hot to describe physically alluring, and beautiful to describe someone with both looks and personality I find attractive.

I like 'pretty' as I think it's a good and safe term for all situations- not too overly familiar, but still complimentary, especially with a 'very'.

Now I just need one of said situations to come my way. :rolleyes::p

I agree with that in all respects :D

Perhaps it would be interesting to make a parallel poll for the guys: do they prefer to be seen as hot or handsome? :D

OMFG ZOOGIE!!!!!!!!111111111

I haven't seen you in ages!

As for the poll, I don't call girls hot, since it seems like they're objects for my own pleasure. I prefer to call them beautiful, or pretty, or what-not, since it has a more..human?.. aspect to it.

I don't use the word "hot." I'm just a snob that way - don't like the word at all. :p

I'm the same way, I refuse to use it. Hell, I'm a guy, and it pisses me off that some of my fellow teenage guys (yes, dammit, I'm 17) look at a girl and say "that right there is a fine piece of ass/etc...". It's those kind of people that give guys a bad rep.

Or a good one, if you're a whore and beneath my contempt. :p

I'd be insulted by hot, too. I wouldn't exactly be insulted by beautiful, it's just that I wouldn't want to know that someone was thinking of me like that. It would be creepy.

I kinda figured you would say that. *nods* For me, it depends on the person that is calling me pretty. There are a lot of people who I'd get mad at if they tried to call me pretty. (mostly boys) Its not that I dont think I'm pretty but I don't think I'm beautiful or anything like that which is sad and it causes my self-esteem to go down sometimes. :( My confidence level may seem higher than what most people (including my RL and internet friends) think. It is depending on how I feel. My self-esteem level has always been on the low side. Its been that way since elementary / middle school b/c of all the mean things people did to me. :( :mad:

So I ask the women of NSG: what is the difference between being hot and being beautiful?

The difference is based on whether the guy in question is going with a "nice guy" or a "bad boy" approach when trying to bed you.

"Nice guy" tells you that you are beautiful. He will typically tell you he finds a woman's eyes to be the most beautiful part of her body, as they are a window to her soul. He will tell you all about how your inner beauty shines through.

"Bad boy" thinks you're hot. He's all about the fine ass and nice tits, and you've sure got 'em sweetie. Plus, you're cool, not like those up-tight chicks. So many people make stuff so complicated, don't they? Good thing you're hot and cool, so there don't need to be any strings attached, right baby?


Are they the same thing?

For all practical purposes, yes.


If they're not the same thing, what would you rather be?

A squid.

Seriously, though, if somebody is trying to pick me up they'd probably be better off avoiding words like "beautiful," along with "soulmate" and "genuine connection." I bore easily.

I don't think I'm beautiful or hot, objectively speaking, and I've managed to reach a point where I don't really need anybody to lie to me about either one. For a while I wanted to be beautiful or sexy or whatever, but at this point I just don't worry about it.

I've never been beautiful or sexy, yet I've had lots of sex and lots of great relationships. This leads me to conclude that I actually don't need to be beautiful or sexy to get what I want.

I'd prefer if this was a women/girls-only thread, but guys are welcome to comment.

On another forum I've re-discovered, some girls have debated about whether they wanted to be considered hot or beautiful. Most of the girls felt that being told they were hot meant that they were sex objects, while they felt that being beautiful meant that they were not only attractive but also respected and loved.

So I ask the women of NSG: what is the difference between being hot and being beautiful? Are they the same thing? If they're not the same thing, what would you rather be? And guys: what do you think?

Why can't a woman be sexy, and attractive, respected, and loved?

Why are they mutually exclusive in your mind?

Why can't a woman be sexy, and attractive, respected, and loved?

Why are they mutually exclusive in your mind?

I would prefer to be considered beautiful rather than hot. Why is that a problem?

I would prefer to be considered beautiful rather than hot. Why is that a problem?

I consider you...

underage.

I'd prefer if this was a women/girls-only thread, but guys are welcome to comment.

On another forum I've re-discovered, some girls have debated about whether they wanted to be considered hot or beautiful. Most of the girls felt that being told they were hot meant that they were sex objects, while they felt that being beautiful meant that they were not only attractive but also respected and loved.

So I ask the women of NSG: what is the difference between being hot and being beautiful? Are they the same thing? If they're not the same thing, what would you rather be? And guys: what do you think?
As a guy, I would fairly bluntly describe it like so -

Hot = I find you sexually attractive, and think you look like you're prepared to have sex with me for the sake of sex, there's probably not much to your personality, but I bet you're great in bed.

Beautiful = I find you sexually attractive, but I am trying to con you into thinking that this is not the case and this will happen by accident or something, because you're quite a lovely person and you possibly look a bit too innocent to just outright say 'hot'.

The difference is based on whether the guy in question is going with a "nice guy" or a "bad boy" approach when trying to bed you.

I don't know about that. That can be it. But I've heard both compliments from both men and women who weren't even remotely trying to bed me.

I don't think I'm beautiful or hot, objectively speaking, and I've managed to reach a point where I don't really need anybody to lie to me about either one. For a while I wanted to be beautiful or sexy or whatever, but at this point I just don't worry about it.

Is there a such thing as objective beauty or hotness? It seems to me that aesthetic descriptors like that are inherently subjective. Someone could find you to be either without you thinking so yourself. It happens all the time, from what I've seen.

and why can't men look at a woman and find her beautiful but not want to have sex with her? (because she is to old for instance) and why can't a man think that another guy is more attractive than them?

Because that's the way we're biologically programmed.

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I don't call girls hot, since it seems like they're objects for my own pleasure


Right, I gotta object to this.

Assuming you're a hetrosexual guy, then I gotta say this: girls are objects for your pleasure.

If girls weren't objects for guys sexual pleasure, and by extension, if guys weren't objects for girls' sexual pleasure, then there would be no need for men and women. We would just be 'people' and we would reproduce asexually like ameoba or hydra.

But either God created, or Darwin described how (depends on your viewpoint - a lot of NSGers get very hot under the collar on this matter :p) it came to be that we have ... two genders. Male and female.

We are male and female so that we can have sex. We have sex for (in primarily biological terms) reproduction. Sex is pleasurable for us so we make a point of doing it. Therefore men are sex objects to women and women are sex objects to men. It's natural. It's healthy to express the sexual part of your identity.

There's no need to be embarrassed or ashamed of finding women sexually attractive, that you take pleasure in being aroused/sexual with women. Why deny this very important, sexual, part of your 'self'?

Assuming you're a hetrosexual guy, then I gotta say this: girls are objects for your pleasure.

They're not "objects." Objects are things. Like a rock. Or perhaps a cactus.

If girls weren't objects for guys sexual pleasure, and by extension, if guys weren't objects for girls' sexual pleasure, then there would be no need for men and women. We would just be 'people' and we would reproduce asexually like ameoba or hydra.

Not really. Sexual pleasure is not the same as sexual reproduction. Relatively few animals get pleasure for sex, or for that matter have sex purely for pleasure, compared to how many reproduce sexually. I would say the pleasure is a byproduct of our upper primate brains and our mammalian social animal appreciation of physical contact.

They're not "objects." Objects are things. Like a rock. Or perhaps a cactus.


and hot and beautiful chicks who we perceive as sex objects. It's quite an established phrase.

Check out dictionary.com

"
2. a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed: an object of medical investigation." Or indeed an object of sexual gratification.

Check out these links on 'sex object'

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sex_object
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sex%20object
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/sex+object
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sex%20object

You might not like it (political correctness/western liberal societal programming issues?) but nontheless people can be thought of as objects in relation to thought, actions or emotions, especially in terms of sexual gratification. That relates just as much to male>female attraction as it does to female>male attraction.




Not really. Sexual pleasure is not the same as sexual reproduction.

I addressed this point when I put in the caveat about 'from a reproductive viewpoint'.



Relatively few animals get pleasure for sex,


I'm quite curious as to how you know this. Have you 'field-tested' (read: :fluffle:) this theory on many animals yourself? :D



Relatively few animals get pleasure for sex, or for that matter have sex purely for pleasure, compared to how many reproduce sexually.

Which may or may not be true (evidence?). But I take your point. In any event, it's irrelevant.

The fact is, men do take pleasure in perceiving women as 'sex objects'. It is biologically hardwired into men. Just as women take pleasure in perceiving men as sex objects - it's hardwired into women.

It is natural, and healthy, for men to perceive women as sex objects.

There is no need for a man to feel ashamed or repress this part of himself in order to comply with what our society deems is 'correct'.

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You wouldn't see a girl in the street and thing she's beautiful

Um... I do... quite often actually!

Interesting discussion, perhaps I'm reading different things into the words, cause it's not my native langauge.

I don't mind being called hot, that means I'm sexually attractive and that is not a bad thing. Hey, i judge people as either fuckable or not so fuckable (or fuckable if he/she werent such an idiot)

I would mind if someone I don't know called me beautiful. It implyes that I need to be lyed to, and that's insulting. Nature is beautiful, things are beautiful, if someone called me that, it implyes that the put me on a pedistal and worship me, wich is quite boring and doesn't lead to two people meeting and getting to know each other.

As a complement to being called hot, I prefer interesting, wich implyes that people care about my personality, my opinions and are intrerested in getting to know me.

i'm rather vain, i think i'd prefer to be considered hot. also i think hotness is more to do with body shape than beauty is. i don't reckon they're mutually exclusive terms either.

having said that, a girl once refered to me as a "beautiful man", i wasn't sure whether to be more flattered that she called me beautiful or that she called me a man :p

When I was younger I was considered 'hot' by some, and now I am older my boyfriend thinks that I am beautiful inside and out, and that's really all I need to worry about. I know I have a nice face, much improved by my smile and my hair is frequently complimented, I would prefer to be considered beautiful, because you can be beautiful at any age and 'hot' tends to be something that is associated with very young women and teenage girls. That said my boyfriend also says I am as hot as the sun when I choose to be, so maybe it's a state of mind, for both the woman and the person who is describing her. One mans hot is another mans not, surely?