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It seems as the EU is becoming the first continental supranation others seem destined to to the same (Arab League, North America, ect). I also see a west and mid-east devide and I thought "Arab League? Infidel haters?".

What I want to know is, if one day the world is where the only nations are continental supranations, will a new global war for resorces, religion (Islamists re-emerge) or just power erupt?

[Opinions please]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Jennifer_world_map.PNG/275px-Jennifer_world_map.PNG

:D

That's how the world will look like soon :p And how it works... read Jennifer Government :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Jennifer_world_map.PNG/275px-Jennifer_world_map.PNG

:D

That's how the world will look like soon :p And how it works... read Jennifer Government :)
Lol, that looks strange-unusual, from my perspective it would not work like that. I will have to pick up the book some time.

It seems as the EU is becoming the first continental supranation others seem destined to to the same (Arab League, North America, ect). I also see a west and mid-east devide and I thought "Arab League? Infidel haters?".

What I want to know is, if one day the world is where the only nations are continental supranations, will a new global war for resorces, religion (Islamists re-emerge) or just power erupt?

[Opinions please]

Some call for a US-Canada union, but i think that there are too many rednecks in the South to allow that.

I can see other supranations occuring, and since nations are already fighting over natural resources, I don't why the supranations wouldn't.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Jennifer_world_map.PNG/275px-Jennifer_world_map.PNG

:D

That's how the world will look like soon :p And how it works... read Jennifer Government :)

Bah! George Orwell is in severe disagreement with you! (and by severe I mean minimal.)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/1984_fictious_world_map.png/800px-1984_fictious_world_map.png

Bah! George Orwell is in severe disagreement with you! (and by severe I mean minimal.)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/1984_fictious_world_map.png/800px-1984_fictious_world_map.png

You do know that's blasphemy, right? :p

You do know that's blasphemy, right? :p

Ignorance is Strength!

Also, the 1984 map is almost exactly the same. :D

Both look silly.

I think there'll be alliances fairly akin to supranations in that smaller countries in the vicinity will become more and more bound to their big partners. So China might have a whole bunch of satellite states (though those don't necessarily have to be geographically close).

And those blocs will compete for resources, though not through direct war but through asymmetrical strategies, from government-financed corporate takeovers to sponsoring terror- and insurgent groups.

I think there'll be alliances fairly akin to supranations in that smaller countries in the vicinity will become more and more bound to their big partners. So China might have a whole bunch of satellite states (though those don't necessarily have to be geographically close).

And those blocs will compete for resources, though not through direct war but through asymmetrical strategies, from government-financed corporate takeovers to sponsoring terror- and insurgent groups.

This brings my thoughts to the massive Chinese investments currently being made in Africa; China needs the ressources, and Africa needs the funds, but several western countries are worried about too much Chineese influence in Africa.

Is the USA not a supranation already? The different states themselves are as functional as other individual countries. If it joined with Canada/Mexico it would definitely be one,

Is the USA not a supranation already? The different states themselves are as functional as other individual countries. If it joined with Canada/Mexico it would definitely be one,

Internationally USA acts like one single nation, something which cannot be said about e.g. the EU - just consider the EU-members UK and France. USA is more like a federation, like e.g. Germany, which at the same time is a federation of 16 states, a soverign nation in itself, and member of a continental supranation.

there will be world peace soon, why do we need anymore Supranationalism?

edit: oh and you forget the world is already full of such unions

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Regional_Organizations_Map.png/800px-Regional_Organizations_Map.png

Internationally USA acts like one single nation, something which cannot be said about e.g. the EU - just consider the EU-members UK and France. USA is more like a federation, like e.g. Germany, which at the same time is a federation of 16 states, a soverign nation in itself, and member of a continental supranation.

Ok, I understand the definitions more. But I don't think Europe will be acting as one for quite a while, we can never agree on things, or who should be part of 'Europe'.

You're both being silly. THIS is how the world will look like in some amout of time (don't ask).

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6541/worldunions2lx0.png

Really? This is how I always envisioned it....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/Image2.jpg

Wait, are you....
Big Brother?

Ignorance is Strength!

Also, the 1984 map is almost exactly the same. :D

War is peace!

:sniper::sniper:

:mp5::mp5:

Ok, I understand the definitions more. But I don't think Europe will be acting as one for quite a while, we can never agree on things, or who should be part of 'Europe'.

Don't you mean "who should be part of the European Union"?

Amerıca wıll joın the EU and Chına wıll joın NAFTA and Turkey wıll fınd the cure for the bıdflu.

In the meantıme Russıa wıll combat space alıens whıle Cuba trıes to ressurect Castro.


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Chıcken Wınkles!

Amerıca wıll joın the EU and Chına wıll joın NAFTA and Turkey wıll fınd the cure for the bıdflu.

In the meantıme Russıa wıll combat space alıens whıle Cuba trıes to ressurect Castro.


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Chıcken Wınkles!
I have no ıdea what you are talkıng about so here ıs a bunny wıth a pancake on ıts head.

there will be world peace soon, why do we need anymore Supranationalism?

edit: oh and you forget the world is already full of such unions

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Regional_Organizations_Map.png/800px-Regional_Organizations_Map.png

I always forget what the F in NAFTA stands for.

I keep thinking "North American Fuckin' Treaty Association".

I have no ıdea what you are talkıng about so here ıs a bunny wıth a pancake on ıts head.

Ah, but you have no picture of what you are talking about, so here is a picture of a bunny with a pancake on its head.

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/pancakebunny-14678.jpg

By the way what happened to the dots over your i's?

I always forget what the F in NAFTA stands for.

I keep thinking "North American Fuckin' Treaty Association".

North American Free Trade Association?

It seems as the EU is becoming the first continental supranation others seem destined to to the same (Arab League, North America, ect). I also see a west and mid-east devide and I thought "Arab League? Infidel haters?".

What I want to know is, if one day the world is where the only nations are continental supranations, will a new global war for resorces, religion (Islamists re-emerge) or just power erupt?

[Opinions please]

"others seem destined to do the same" is only a fantasy. I will never abide a North American continental "supranation". Not unless the United States disappears up it's own arsehole first.

Ah, but you have no picture of what you are talking about, so here is a picture of a bunny with a pancake on its head.

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/pancakebunny-14678.jpg

By the way what happened to the dots over your i's?

nothing. I had my i's without dots because the post I was quoting did.

"others seem destined to do the same" is only a fantasy. I will never abide a North American continental "supranation". Not unless the United States disappears up it's own arsehole first.

I don't think that is any problem, you don't have to abide.


nothing. I had my i's without dots because the post I was quoting did.

...which leads us to the creator of the quoted post in our search for an explanation to this mysterious mystery.

I don't think that is any problem, you don't have to abide.

Oh, goody. So when can we expect the USA to make it's egress into it's own lower intestinal tract? I'd like to see that.

hmmm lets see.......

The Arab League will unite.

Korea will become one nation.

Germany will finally succeed in taking over the rest of Europe.

Led by Chavez, most of Latin America will unite under communism.

US might dicuss unity with Colombia, Mexico, Costa Rica, and Canada but most Americans would oppose it. They don't want to give up their constitution. They would insist on the other two agreeing to adopt the US constitution before agreeing to a union with them. That's what happened when we merged with the Grand Republic of Texas a little while back. We insisted on them agreeing to accept our Constitution as it already was at the time. Oh yeah, we also insisted that they give huge quantities of land. I believe that cut the state of Texas in half.

Africa will be too busy fighting its wars for their to be any credible attempts at unification there.

Australia practically owns the South Pacific/Indonesia area already. Especially with their cool invisibility uniforms that make their troops invisible to nightvision equipment. If only the US government would make its own.

Forget about Far East Asia uniting. While they like China's investment in their economies, the nations of Asia, like the nations of Africa are very weary of China's military buildup and would, like the Africans, reject any attempts by China to dictate internal affairs. And if attacked by China, many of them would probably recieve extensive support from the American public.

Japan was supposed to take over Asia. That was projected back in the 80's when they were a real economic power. Turned out they were a paper tiger much like China.

Bottom line being that there is not going to be any real supra nations for a while.
IE:
Americans will refuse to surrender the rights they enjoy now and they will refuse to give up their constitution which is a national treasure in the US.

I highly doubt Europeans will be able to acquisce to living under German leadership given Germany's past.

Africa has too many problems including famines, and droughts which are causing lots and lots of wars. While they don't like US military adventurism, they'll also resist Chinese attempts to dictate to them as well.

The middle east, too many problems there. Most of the problems are based on religious differences and just plain greed.

Rule of thumb being that the younger the nation, the less likely it is they will be willing to surrender their soveringty to another entity. That why there will be no African super nation, no Asian supernation (other than China and Russia) and no European supernation.

Even in Europe you have countries who have just gained autonomy. I don't think those new nations are going to be willing to give up their autonomy to someone else barely a moment after having gained it.

You're both being silly. THIS is how the world will look like in some amout of time (don't ask).

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6541/worldunions2lx0.pngI'm gonna go with this one, just because Greenland is still connected to Denmark. Greenland is just to cool to give up.:D
Also like the fact that Switzerland has been able to expand and has taken control of the tip of South America, quite a feat considering their armed forces.:p

I definitely think supranational entities will end up solidifying and fighting one another, but I doubt it'll be in the same way that Jennifer Government has it. It'll probably look like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Clash_of_Civilizations_∞.png/800px-Clash_of_Civilizations_∞.png

Each colour represents a different civilization (as defined in Samuel P. Huntingdon's book, "The Clash of Civilization", and each civilization will probably unite under one supranational organization.

To comment on the idea of US/European unification idea. I doubt the Europeans would like that. Because, again using the Texas Republic and the original 13 colonies as a precedent we would do things like:

Require Denmark to give up its claims to Greenland and Faroe Island, require the British to give up its claim to Falklands, require France to give up its claim to French Guinea. And require all the European nations to give up any islands they have around the world.

By precedent, such posessions would likely become federal property owned by all the member nations of the union.

I definitely think supranational entities will end up solidifying and fighting one another, but I doubt it'll be in the same way that Jennifer Government has it. It'll probably look like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Clash_of_Civilizations_∞.png/800px-Clash_of_Civilizations_∞.png

Each colour represents a different civilization (as defined in Samuel P. Huntingdon's book, "The Clash of Civilization", and each civilization will probably unite under one supranational organization.

Another one stolen for a book? Oh, come on, can't you get your own ideas? What's below is much more likely.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6541/worldunions2lx0.png

To comment on the idea of US/European unification idea. I doubt the Europeans would like that. Because, again using the Texas Republic and the original 13 colonies as a precedent we would do things like:

Require Denmark to give up its claims to Greenland and Faroe Island, require the British to give up its claim to Falklands, require France to give up its claim to French Guinea. And require all the European nations to give up any islands they have around the world.

By precedent, such posessions would likely become federal property owned by all the member nations of the union.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning, why would it be necessary to give up dependent territories?

Don't you mean "who should be part of the European Union"?

Yes, the EU not 'Europe', my bad.

there will be world peace soon, why do we need anymore Supranationalism?

edit: oh and you forget the world is already full of such unions

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Regional_Organizations_Map.png/800px-Regional_Organizations_Map.png

This is missing Shanghai Five / SCO.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning, why would it be necessary to give up dependent territories?

I'm going by precedent. When the US first formed, the 13 original colonies had to give their dependent territories to the federal government. When Texas joined it had to give most of its "dependent" territory to the federal government. Given such precedent it is likely that a condition of European nations joining the US would be that they give up territories that are not directly a geographic part of their territory.
The territories would still join the US with Europe, but they would then belong to the federal government instead of the individual states that brought them along.
Some such as Greenland or Falkland might end up becoming states in their own right in the future.

On another note, that just too many stars that would have to be woven on to the flag.

You know, after considering it a bit more.

I think there is more likely going to be a form of world government with pockets of independent states. The US would be one such pocket. I'm sure China would be another such pocket as would certain European nations.
I think Australia would probably be another "pocket".

Latin America and Africa would probably be under world government rule as would certain areas of Asia and Europe.

This is missing Shanghai Five / SCO.

What is this "Shanghai Five"?

I'm going by precedent. When the US first formed, the 13 original colonies had to give their dependent territories to the federal government. When Texas joined it had to give most of its "dependent" territory to the federal government. Given such precedent it is likely that a condition of European nations joining the US would be that they give up territories that are not directly a geographic part of their territory.
The territories would still join the US with Europe, but they would then belong to the federal government instead of the individual states that brought them along.
Some such as Greenland or Falkland might end up becoming states in their own right in the future.

On another note, that just too many stars that would have to be woven on to the flag.

Ah, but is must be USA who becomes a member of EU then.

The other way around would be absurd, though only slightly more absurd than the alternative.

Also, the EU flag is fixed at 12 stars, though there are now 27 members.

Also, the EU flag is fixed at 12 stars, though there are now 27 members.

That's because the stars were never supposed to represent the number of EU member nations. The flag was really designed to represent the entire European continent. It was adopted by the EU later.

North American Free Trade Association?

North American Free Trade Agreement.

That's because the stars were never supposed to represent the number of EU member nations. The flag was really designed to represent the entire European continent. It was adopted by the EU later.

Yes, my point exactly: US adds a star for each state, EU just has some stars, and twelve is such a nice number with lots of exact divisors and other cool stuff.

Actually, one should rather use a 12-based counting system instead of base 10. Perhaps this could become an NS-UN proposal :D

Some call for a US-Canada union

Well in the Articles of COnfederation that said that Canada could become a U.S territory wothout going through the usual rules. The economy would be overwhelming. The provinces might be spit up a little because there so big. So instead of like 10 new states there would be like 15. Also Canada has oil which would help. If Mexico joined there would be lots more oil too. Either way just with the Canada/US supernation it would be HUGE!

On another note, that just too many stars that would have to be woven on to the flag.

The 50 surround a big one for Europe perhaps.

What is this "Shanghai Five"?

It is the predecessor to Shanghai Cooperation Organization

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organization

Well in the Articles of COnfederation that said that Canada could become a U.S territory wothout going through the usual rules. The economy would be overwhelming. The provinces might be spit up a little because there so big. So instead of like 10 new states there would be like 15. Also Canada has oil which would help. If Mexico joined there would be lots more oil too. Either way just with the Canada/US supernation it would be HUGE!

Too bad it is not in effect anymore, having been replaced by the Constitution which established a federal system of government.

Really? This is how I always envisioned it....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/Image2.jpg

This is the only one I see as an improvement.

All hail the great Alliance.

Some call for a US-Canada union, but i think that there are too many rednecks in the South to allow that.

Canadians would not be on board for this. Nor would we let ourselves be carved up into 15 American states.

Well in the Articles of COnfederation that said that Canada could become a U.S territory wothout going through the usual rules. The economy would be overwhelming. The provinces might be spit up a little because there so big. So instead of like 10 new states there would be like 15. Also Canada has oil which would help. If Mexico joined there would be lots more oil too. Either way just with the Canada/US supernation it would be HUGE!

And it will never happen.

Although its not a supranation, Australia takes up a whole continent. AND they have the worlds biggest supply of uranium ore.

*Ducks from oncoming rebuttals*

Welcome to the planet of Australia. I am the mayor of Australia.

Awah?

That was dumb.