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I was curious about how many people support PETA, a rather controversial organization.

For those of you who aren't in the US:

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA

Anyway, I personally do not support PETA, partially because I like meat, medicine, and having pets (They're against meat, animal research, and, at least the president of PETA is against people having pets. They're also against horseback riding and guide dogs for the blind.)

In addition, it's a rather hypocritical organization. For example, it attacks those who put animals to sleep, while at the same time puts 2/3s of the animals it "saves" to sleep (For those of you demanding a source for this, Penn and Teller's humor/documentary show Bullshit! has an episode on PETA, which is where this information is drawn from. Here's a wiki article for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit%21 Note I do admit they admit to bias.)

In addition, their vice president is a type 1 (Insulin-dependent) diabetic, while at the same time they speak out against animal research, which is what brought us insulin in the first place.

Now then, there's also the fact that it compares animals being eaten to Jews being massacred and tortured in the holocaust:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_on_your_plate

So I feel that PETA is immoral.

Your views?

Maddox wrote about them.

I support the ethical treatment of animals. I disagree with the idea that PETA does the same.

I am however curious if you believe that an animals life is worth less than that of a human or that it is worth nothing at all ?

PETA, waste of time. I think animals should be treated ethically but those folks are cracked.

An animals life is worth less than a human life.

PETA=People Eating Tasty Animals

An animals life is worth less than a human life.

How much less ? Is one human worth a thousand pigs ? A million ?

An animals life is worth less than a human life.

Yup, that's my opinion. Food chain, humans are on top.

I think we should work on stopping humans starving before we worry about animals.

I am a vegetarian and when I tell people this I have to tell them that I am not a "PETA vegetarian" because for some reason it's automatically assumed that I am.

I may not like the way animals are treated on industrial farms (I wish more were raised free range style and not pumped with antibiotics, hormones and such), but I am a vegetarian for health reasons (eating meat literally started making me sick) and don't believe people should be told what they can and cannot eat.

I believe people should be allowed to hunt, but I really hate trophy hunters.

I have a pet. I hate to see pets mistreated though.

I appreciate the advances in medicine that comes from animal testing.

"Bullshit" is a crappy program though and not a good soucre for information on anything.

Meat=delicious, knowledge derived from animal testing=human lives saved, pets=fun.

PETA can suck it.

PETA, waste of time. I think animals should be treated ethically but those folks are cracked.

pretty much! I should have gone with the short easy answer too :D

An animals life is worth less than a human life.

In the eyes of a human :p

How much less ? Is one human worth a thousand pigs ? A million ?

Well, I couldn't answer exactly how much less animals are worth than humans, mostly because I don't measure the worth of most humans.

Like Zarakon said, I just think human's are higher up on the food chain then animals.

Like Zarakon said, I just think human's are higher up on the food chain then animals.

So you would shoot your loyal dog to save the life of your sisters rapist ?
After all, higher up the foodchain.

I was curious about how many people support PETA, a rather controversial organization.

For those of you who aren't in the US:

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA

Anyway, I personally do not support PETA, partially because I like meat, medicine, and having pets (They're against meat, animal research, and, at least the president of PETA is against people having pets. They're also against horseback riding and guide dogs for the blind.)

In addition, it's a rather hypocritical organization. For example, it attacks those who put animals to sleep, while at the same time puts 2/3s of the animals it "saves" to sleep (For those of you demanding a source for this, Penn and Teller's humor/documentary show Bullshit! has an episode on PETA, which is where this information is drawn from. Here's a wiki article for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit%21 Note I do admit they admit to bias.)

In addition, their vice president is a type 1 (Insulin-dependent) diabetic, while at the same time they speak out against animal research, which is what brought us insulin in the first place.

Now then, there's also the fact that it compares animals being eaten to Jews being massacred and tortured in the holocaust:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_on_your_plate

So I feel that PETA is immoral.

Your views?

They're smart enough to have a good idea, and dumb enough to take it that far.

I may not like the way animals are treated on industrial farms (I wish more were raised free range style and not pumped with antibiotics, hormones and such), but I am a vegetarian for health reasons (eating meat literally started making me sick) and don't believe people should be told what they can and cannot eat.

I believe people should be allowed to hunt, but I really hate trophy hunters.



This is why I only trust my uncle's meat.

He hunts it himself on a perserve, so I know that there is no bad chemicals

I wish nothing but disease, despair and death upon PETA, its supporters, its misguided funders and its terrorists.

Lesser animals, unless I regard them as pets, deserve neither sympathy nor a second thought. I don't care how an animal dies to get to my plate. It could be hacked to bits with a brick for all I care. It tastes good, and it's going to die anyway. How it does doesn't matter.

Do you support PETA?Yes, I do.. in way.

Do you support the troopsin a way I do.
Do you support Bushin a way I do.
Do you support Chavezin a way I do.
Do you support the atheistsin a way I do.
Do you support the Muslimsin a way I do.
Do you support the Jewsin a way I do.
Do you support the flagin a way I do.
Do you support Flag burningin a way I do.
Do you support Danes free speechin a way I do.
Do you support the Holocaust conferencein a way I do.

...

Do you unconditionally support.. No!!
But i have not yet finished my questi..i dont care!

Bunch of hippie terrorists. I'm all for ethical treatment of animals. Except for maybe rabbits. Those things reproduce like crazy and eat and eat and eat. We must kill them all before they evolve into carnivores and wipe out mankind with their superior numbers.

I support ethical treatment for most animals. I don't support PETA. A dog has a better chance of survival in a dog fight to the death than with PETA. A dog has a better chance of survival in an Asian food restaurant (didn't say Chinese because they aren't the only ones who do it) than with PETA. A dog has a better chance of survival in 110 F heat than with PETA.

We must wipe out PETA before those hippies wipe out every species of animal from the face of the earth, starting with dogs and, because of a technicality, wolves. I like wolves. They rock. I'd sooner save a wolf than a serial killer trying to kill me. I'm sorry, but once a person starts trying to kill me, they lost their right to breath. I'd also save a wolf before a rapist. We need fewer rapist, not more, and I'm sure a healthy ecosystem benefits mankind more than rape.

I know a girl who used to be in PETA as a kid, I think that a child being a member sums up the organization rather well :p

Lesser animals, unless I regard them as pets, deserve neither sympathy nor a second thought.

Indeed. So I may torture you :P?

I refuse to support a terrorist organization who believes that all animals should be freed, and have the same constitutional rights as humans.

I support their goals, but their methods are simply absurd.

PETA rawx.

So you would shoot your loyal dog to save the life of your sisters rapist ?
After all, higher up the foodchain.

...I have to say, your question caught me by suprise...still a little shocked by that one...

As to the question, no. I'd let the dog get the rapist, then shoot him.

So you would shoot your loyal dog to save the life of your sisters rapist ?
After all, higher up the foodchain.

Nice strawman.

No, I'm not misusing it before you pull out that claim that everyone does when their strawman is called out.

It's an oversimplification of your opponent's (In this case, me) views.

PETA rawx.

This is a joke, right?

I think that ethical treatment of animals is important. However, I don't agree with PETA's definition of exactly what that is, nor do I agree with some of their treatment of human beings.

PETA rawx.

I heard they send out goody bags with lots of neat things in, I guess thats pretty awesome but how does one get from finding the end of a maze to unleashing a rage virus on Britain?

Against. I love animals, and believe in avoiding their cruel treatment. Though I have little respect for PETA.


"Bullshit" is a crappy program though and not a good soucre for information on anything.
Really? If it gets people to at least investigate things they take for granted, it has served a purpose.

This is a joke, right?

nope it's not a joke. PETA rawx.

As a Vegan, I really, really hate PETA. They make sane and rational vegans look like morons. I don't eat Vegan for moral reasons, I do it because it's responsible in the human sense to lower meat consumption, and therefore fossil feul usage.

It's an oversimplification of your opponent's (In this case, me) views.

Sofar it isn't. When you expand and explain your views further it may be.

nope it's not a joke. PETA rawx.

"rawx"?

As a Vegan, I really, really hate PETA. They make sane and rational vegans look like morons. I don't eat Vegan for moral reasons, I do it because it's responsible in the human sense to lower meat consumption, and therefore fossil feul usage.

I'm not full-blown Vegan(Only vegetarian). I just don't eat meat because I think it tastes like crap.

This is why I only trust my uncle's meat.

He hunts it himself on a perserve, so I know that there is no bad chemicals

My family has this odd habit of hobby farming...my grandfather did it when he retired, and my uncle has embraced it since. The cattle graze all summer, are only medicated when ill and eat hay from his own field during the winter. Delicious meat, some of the best I've had. Only meat I'll eat comes from my family.

As a friend of a diabetic I say they have good ideals however if they got all their demands many diabetcs would not be able to get their medicines.

I am against animal cruelty, but hell if trough animals we can improve the medics, I say hell yeah experiment on them, do not treat them cruelly, but hell yeah.

Oh, also I am a meat lover, give me a 500g steak any day.

Humans simply are higher up on the "food chain". Not to say that animals don't matter, but not as much as human beings. Humans have created wonders and marvels and have impacted the planet we live on heavily, especially in the last 2000 years. Animals, on the other hand, have served to do nothing but poo, sleep, and eat.

Not to say they don't have their place. But if we weren't eating the animals we breed & herd we'd be eating other human beings. And nobody wants that.

I'm not full-blown Vegan(Only vegetarian). I just don't eat meat because I think it tastes like crap.

I'm a pretty bad Vegan. Been at it for 4 months-ish, but I like cheese and chocolate, so I manage to slip up pretty regularly, but I try. :p

So you would shoot your loyal dog to save the life of your sisters rapist ?
After all, higher up the foodchain.
I'm not sure who "you" is, but I'll take it to mean me so I can answer yes, if I needed to make a decision between my dog and a human, I would always choose the latter. I feel I am justified in making this decision because A) if the rapist were sent to court, he would never receive the death penalty there, and living in one of the top three executing states, I do not want to be more radical than it. B) Although I believe animals have emotions, killing a person or allowing him to be killed would have a greater emotional impact on his family and me than the death of the dog would have on his doggy friends.
As for the OP's question: I do not support PETA. The claim that eating animals is morally wrong seems contrary to the eating habits of many animals. As a human, I put humans first.

So you would shoot your loyal dog to save the life of your sisters rapist ?
After all, higher up the foodchain.

Are you...are you serious?

Are you...are you serious?

Sadly, I think he is.

So you would shoot your loyal dog to save the life of your sisters rapist ?
After all, higher up the foodchain.

Are you seriously suggesting that my sister's rapist is higher up the food chain than my loyal dog? He wouldn't be after I shot him and fed him to my dog. ;)

Are you seriously suggesting that my sister's rapist is higher up the food chain than my loyal dog? He wouldn't be after I shot him and fed him to my dog. ;)
What a weird coincidence: there are at least four people on this forum who have sisters who have been raped, while their loyal dogs are present. Do you think it's the same person, a NSG serial rapist?

As a friend of a diabetic I say they have good ideals however if they got all their demands many diabetcs would not be able to get their medicines.

From what I've read, the president of PETA is a diabetic who was on animal-derived insulin for years. Ah, the hypocrisy....

Are you...are you serious?

It is an accurate summary of the anti-animal rights opinions sofar posted in this topic. I have no doubt that many people have far more nuanced and well thought out opinions - they are just not posting them.

I'm a pretty bad Vegan. Been at it for 4 months-ish, but I like cheese and chocolate, so I manage to slip up pretty regularly, but I try. :p

Cheese happens to be one of my most important food groups.

Yes, it has it's own food group.

Anyways, I'm a pretty bad vegetarian! I eat lot of carbs and fruits, but almost no vegetables.

I also like a good piece of fish every now and then.

Personally, I support animal WELFARE rather than animal RIGHTS, which is what PETA and associated organizations believe in.

What's the difference? Animal welfare means treating animals decently, not deliberately causing them pain, ensuring the animals under your care receive the food, water, medical attention, etc. that they require.

Animal rights means giving animals every right which humans have...without, of course, the responsibilities, since animals really wouldn't understand those responsibilities at all.

Animal rights means ending pet ownership, ending animal research, ending pretty much any interaction between animal and person, period...except those cases where the animal eats the person, I'm presuming.

Many animals and humans have existed in a fairly mutually beneficial arrangement for several millenium...not necessarily in terms of individual animals or even individual humans, but in terms of the species of animals involved. We might slaughter a cow for our dinner...but we ensure the breeding of the species as a whole, and ensure their welfare and their continued existance.

PETA wants to end all of that. They want us to stop any interaction with animals, period...set free all the dogs, cats, cows and parakeets.

How many of your pet dogs would survive, do you think? How many dogs would band together in packs and go out hunting, once they realized people weren't going to give them free dinners anymore? Think an individual dog going nuts and biting someone is bad? How about packs of them roaming the streets and hunting down a nice dinner, of whom they have no real fear?

Of course, you can't shoot them to protect yourself...those animals have rights!

How many cows, domesticated to the point they CAN'T live in the wild, do you think would survive?

How about pigs...big, mean, very territorial...think you'd like to live in a rural area where thousands of these animals have just been released?

Sure, it would only take a few years and most of these domesticated animals would be dead...of starvation, of disease, of painful mauling and slow death from the bites of other animals.

Yeah, sounds real ethical.

Yes, there are people who mistreat animals out there. But GUESS WHAT? We already have laws in place to deal with people like that. How about enforcing current laws rather than making more and more restrictive laws, all with the aim of ending human-animal interaction.

And frankly, it's not even a case of which has more value...an animal or a human life. It's called survival of the fittest. Every living creature has, within it, the impetous to survive, and to ensure the survival of its species. Unless we, as a species, decide to lay down and die, we will continue to use animals to help ensure our own survival.

Personally, I'm looking forward to steak tonight.

I've only seen them on Bullshit and it's hardly a show I base my opinions on since Bullshit is Bullshit too often, but I liked the show anyway, actually watched every episode of it that they showed on TV here. But PETA seems to be retarded.

Sadly, I think he is.

Sadly, I accurately summarised your arguments sofar with that statement.
You claim I am oversimplifying, but seem unwilling to show your more complex reasoning.

Personally, I support animal WELFARE rather than animal RIGHTS, which is what PETA and associated organizations believe in.

Right, there is a difference between not torturing animals and letting them vote.

Sadly, I accurately summarised your arguments sofar with that statement.
You claim I am oversimplifying, but seem unwilling to show your more complex reasoning.

Humans are much smarter than animals. Humans have society, politics, history, tradition, religion(I could go on and on...)

Animals don't, they can't fathom it, they just aren't as advanced in that respect.

Face it, humans are higher than animals. End of discussion.

Meat=delicious, knowledge derived from animal testing=human lives saved, pets=fun.

PETA can suck it.
Yup, that just about sums up my views.


Yup, that's my opinion. Food chain, humans are on top.

I think we should work on stopping humans starving before we worry about animals.
Personally, I support animal WELFARE rather than animal RIGHTS, which is what PETA and associated organizations believe in.
*As does this. ^

If we're going to worry about anything, it should be other humans.


PETA=People Eating Tasty Animals
People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

What a weird coincidence: there are at least four people on this forum who have sisters who have been raped, while their loyal dogs are present. Do you think it's the same person, a NSG serial rapist?

Wow, you're right. Maybe we should start up a support group for people who's siter was raped while their loyal dog was present. :D

I do not. Though little known fact: Years ago when I was an idealistic teen, I was actually a vegetarian and was all about animal rights.

Wow, you're right. Maybe we should start up a support group for people who's siter was raped while their loyal dog was present. :D

Pssh. "Loyal" my ass. Doesn't it strike you as a bit odd that none of these "loyal dogs" were able to stop it?

One Word: Bribery.

That's right, they were paid to look the other way!

There is only one option for discipline.

Five words: Kill and eat them.

PETA is too extreme. I respect animals and don't want them to suffer.... But... they are absolutely delicious and I will continue to eat them.

Pssh. "Loyal" my ass. Doesn't it strike you as a bit odd that none of these "loyal dogs" were able to stop it?

One Word: Bribery.

That's right, they were paid to look the other way!

There is only one option for discipline.

Five words: Kill and eat them.

The worst part is, I don't even have a dog! :eek:

I am a vegetarian and when I tell people this I have to tell them that I am not a "PETA vegetarian" because for some reason it's automatically assumed that I am.

Luckily, I don't get that problem. I am in the IT field and most people I meet make the connection between Indian and vegetarian without bringing up vegan/PETA issue.


I may not like the way animals are treated on industrial farms (I wish more were raised free range style and not pumped with antibiotics, hormones and such), but I am a vegetarian for health reasons (eating meat literally started making me sick) and don't believe people should be told what they can and cannot eat.

It is a combination of spiritual/ethical, health, economical reasons and even ease of cooking for me.

I too wish there is some regulation on how these animal factories are run...but hey...people who eat don't care and they get hostile when they are told about this...so I never tell anybody about all this...unless I am asked pointedly...



I appreciate the advances in medicine that comes from animal testing.


If it is a life-saving drug that cannot be made in any other way...then yeah...otherwise no. I don't like the testing of cosmetics etc on animals. I stopped using manufactured cosmetics a while back...it's all natural products now..;)

Now then, there's also the fact that it compares animals being eaten to Jews being massacred and tortured in the holocaust:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_on_your_plate



That is the stupidest, most psychotic and most offensive comparison imaginable.

The next time I go to LA's Chinatown I plan to bring an icechest with me, then find a poultry store where you can have live chickens slaughtered for you on the spot, take pictures of it, and send them to PETA. Nothing like fresh poultry.

BTW: Ingrid Newkirk, the top nut on the PETA fruitcake, has requested IIRC that when she dies, her stiff be cut up, barbecued and consumed, to protest meat consumption. If we're lucky, she'll get her wish sooner rather than later.

What a weird coincidence: there are at least four people on this forum who have sisters who have been raped, while their loyal dogs are present. Do you think it's the same person, a NSG serial rapist?

lol; excuse this, but I could not help but laugh when I saw this statement. I did not mean any offence

What I would like to know, though, is how PETA and similar groups plan to continue our path of medical advancement without animal testing. Maybe we could start testing for medical stuff on PETA members.

Oops, I forgot, the Nuremburg Code means that idea could not be used. Ironically enough, that came about because of testing on humans by Nazi Germany - testing that would have been done on animals, had animal testing not been banned by Nazi Germany.

Also, I am opposed to PETA because their idea to make us non-meat eaters will essentially destroy the economy of New Zealand - I eat meat because I enjoy it, and because it is my economic duty.

Are you seriously suggesting that my sister's rapist is higher up the food chain than my loyal dog? He wouldn't be after I shot him and fed him to my dog. ;)

its not so much that my dog is worth more than my sister's rapist as that my relationship to my dog is more important to me than the life of my sister's rapist.

subtle difference.

I was curious about how many people support PETA, a rather controversial organization.

I'm all for People Eating The Animals. :eek: However, if you you mean the animal rights organization I think they are quite a bit overboard. I do however support the SPCA, especially their adoption program. Both of the cats that own me are adopted.

So you would shoot your loyal dog to save the life of your sisters rapist ?
After all, higher up the foodchain.


... if you think I'd consider such a person "Human", no. Dogs first in that case. The Rapist can be fed to the chipper for all I care.

(just felt like replying...)

Uh.. Only a tiny number of PETA support terrorism, I'm sure, but that was the closest poll option to the truth, so I went with it.

I'd say they favor a bad set of ethical standards, for mostly well-intentioned reasons. I'm not a fan, but I don't think they're a disreputable group, really.

My family has this odd habit of hobby farming...my grandfather did it when he retired, and my uncle has embraced it since. The cattle graze all summer, are only medicated when ill and eat hay from his own field during the winter. Delicious meat, some of the best I've had. Only meat I'll eat comes from my family.

Yeah, that is the only meat my uncle makes


Unfortunately, I can't do that so my dad and gramdnother eat the factory meat at giant and shopppers and mc kays

I am more for the Sierra Club. They support hunting and fishing, but they want to protect the enviornment so we can continue doing it. It is better and reminds me of Teddy Rossevelt's enviornmentalism.

I don't support PETA because while I do agree that animals should be treated ethically, people are simply more important and PETA doesn't seem to see that. And because the president of PETA called convicted arsonists Rod Coronado a "fine young man" and supports others like him in their terrorist actions. In one attack he destroyed 32 years of medical research data.

I'm what you might call a conservationist. I hunt and fish and want to preserve the environment where I do that including the animal populations. Sacrificing a few members of the herd so that the DNR can keep the land and its inhabitants in good shape seems like a fair trade to me.

No, thank you. Some of them are domestic terrorists.

How much less ? Is one human worth a thousand pigs ? A million ?

Do a comparison of your life insurance payout against the price of pork in this example.

I can't get behind 'em. Nuh-uh.
I like the pig. The pig is good.

http://www.sanger.com.au/images/pork.jpg

(insert food-animal names and/or pictures as required)

Yum. Meat. Good.

Rinse, repeat.

Do a comparison of your life insurance payout against the price of pork in this example.

I think I get $1,000 if I lose 3 or more fingers in an accident. That's a lot of ham, especially wholesale! :p

Right, there is a difference between not torturing animals and letting them vote.

PETAs argument in a nutshell. Animals have rights equal, or greater than human.

Destroying PETA's argument: Drop PETA activists in a lion enclosure. Broadcast PETA's 'values' worldwide.

PETA is an attention whore terrorist organization and support network no different than Al'Qaeda except they do their shit in the name of "Animal Liberation" rather than Islam.

http://www.austinreview.com/archives/2005/06/peta_kills_1.html

Nothing shows how much they care about animals than taking them from shelters under false pretenses and then killing them to use their carcasses for propaganda purposes.

When confronted about this, PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk had this wonderful Marie Antoinette-esque explanation:

Why does PETA kill? “In 2000, when the Associated Press first noted PETA’s Kervorkian-esque tendencies, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk complained that actually taking care of animals costs more than killing them. ‘We could become a no-kill shelter immediately,’ she admitted.”

Cheaper to kill animals and use their carcasses for tasteless and insensitive propagandas that makes the Westborough Baptist Church seem polite and tasteful by comparison rather than putting the money where their mouth is and taking care of those animals.

And of course funding terrorists. Like paying for the defense fund of one Rodney Coronado.

No different from Al'Qaeda. Except they're not Muslim so they won't get their asses investigated and raided repeatedly.

I think I get $1,000 if I lose 3 or more fingers in an accident. That's a lot of ham, especially wholesale! :p

A thousand dollars worth of pig for 3 fingers? Hmmm...

*rummages through knife drawer*

Entire fingers? Or just fingertips?

And because the president of PETA called convicted arsonists Rod Coronado a "fine young man"

he is a good guy

he is a good guy

Wonder how many people would have called him a good guy if he claimed to have done it in the name of Allah instead of Animal Liberation?

Wonder how many people would have called him a good guy if he claimed to have done it in the name of Allah instead of Animal Liberation?

Don't worry. I would have hated him either way. :)

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/bacon.jpg
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I don't support PETA not because I really supremely disagree with their ideas and their set of morals, but because of the way they go about delivering their messages to the public. I'm not sure if anyone else in this thread has mentioned it before, but PETA has released videos in the past of animals being tortured. The one I remember the most vividly was one of a small animal being skinned alive (a gopher or rabbit or something). While that was incredibly disgusting and terrible and cruel, it was also untrue to how people actually skin animals.

I mean how many skinners skin animals alive anyways? The awful bias of their propaganda just says "STAY AWAY" to me.

I guess I'm just saying they should be less extremist. :(

I've always wanted Seal to open a nightclub, just so I could say "I'm going to club seal!"

Wonder how many people would have called him a good guy if he claimed to have done it in the name of Allah instead of Animal Liberation?

well, when allah starts commanding people to get jobs on board whaling vessels in order to pull the plug and sink the fuckers (yeah, apparently icelandic whaling boats come with plugs which you can pull), maybe people will be cooler about things...

Don't worry. I would have hated him either way. :)

Yes but in your case him being Muslim would just give you that Deep Kimchi orgasmic cream in your pants you thrive on so much.

I've always wanted Seal to open a nightclub, just so I could say "I'm going to club seal!"

Yeah, but Dating Night's gonna be soo predictable. Nothing but "Kiss From A Rose" playing all evening.

People Eating Tasty Animals ? Sure I support them ... As for the granola-munching whack job variety, they're intitled to their opinion, but once they break the law, in jail they go, just like everybody else who does.

Yes but in your case him being Muslim would just give you that Deep Kimchi orgasmic cream in your pants you thrive on so much.

Actually, you have it the wrong way round. If teh ebil muslims had voted to continue to allow me to pursue the cunning fox across the moor, then I probably would have less of a problem with them.

But they didn't.

So I see no need to give their "culture" such as the internet beheadings go anymore right to exist than they did mine.

Basically, I hate 'vegetarians' more.

Actually, you have it the wrong way round. If teh ebil muslims had voted to continue to allow me to pursue the cunning fox across the moor, then I probably would have less of a problem with them.

But they didn't.

So I see no need to give their "culture" such as the internet beheadings go anymore right to exist than they did mine.

Basically, I hate 'vegetarians' more.

Your culture wouldn't be much better without foxes than with foxes. Probably be worse. I'm assuming you're from a place where foxies are native. I'd more worry about the environmental and resulting economic cost of removing a predator from an ecosystem.

PETA, on the other hand, is probably who you would want to hunt. Nothing says fun like shooting a hippie that would rather kill you than let you step on an ant. Their mascot symbol thing is a rabbit. You can't trust them. Rabbits are conquering the earth through sheer numbers. Standard Communist nation military tactic used by the North Koreans and Chinese in the Korean War. Send human wave after human wave at an enemy until they run out of ammo. The UN forces had a better plan. One a fox would have used. Shoot at them until they are dead. Use lots and lots of artillery. Nothing slows a Chinese advance down like hundreds of wounded and dying Chinese soldiers crying for help as they slowly bleed to death. Yeah, foxes would shoot people if they had thumbs and hands large enough to hold guns.

Your culture wouldn't be much better without foxes than with foxes. Probably be worse. I'm assuming you're from a place where foxies are native. I'd more worry about the environmental and resulting economic cost of removing a predator from an ecosystem.

Actually, people used to groom the eco-system to encourage the number of foxes, because there would be nothing to hunt otherwise. (Well except for hares when you go beagling). Never been a fan of shooting.

PETA, on the other hand, is probably who you would want to hunt. Nothing says fun like shooting a hippie that would rather kill you than let you step on an ant. Their mascot symbol thing is a rabbit. You can't trust them. Rabbits are conquering the earth through sheer numbers. Standard Communist nation military tactic used by the North Koreans and Chinese in the Korean War. Send human wave after human wave at an enemy until they run out of ammo. The UN forces had a better plan. One a fox would have used. Shoot at them until they are dead. Use lots and lots of artillery. Nothing slows a Chinese advance down like hundreds of wounded and dying Chinese soldiers crying for help as they slowly bleed to death. Yeah, foxes would shoot people if they had thumbs and hands large enough to hold guns.

Well if the muslims vote for me to hunt PETA people with dogs, they shall certainly be back in my good books. (See, I'm easily bought).

i do not agree with peta in many many ways. they do a whole lot more harm than good.

most of their "arguments" of why we shouldn't eat animals are plain ridiculous and often it seems they themselves have put very little thought behind it.

When confronted about this, PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk had this wonderful Marie Antoinette-esque explanation:


And we all know what happened to Marie Antoinette don't we? Interestingly enough, Ingrid seems to also think the world would be better off without humans.

Shall we present her with a bullet, on the grounds of how far she would take her beliefs?

Or very simple, stop her insulin purchases. Let her die a diabetic's death via insulin withdrawal.

PETA sucks. Period.

PETA - Petulant, Egomaniacal, Terrorist Assholes.

PETA - Petulant, Egomaniacal, Terrorist Assholes.

Pretty much.

PETA wasn't a bad idea. Ya know don't kill animals for know reason. Don't beat the living daylights out of Fido. The thing is they go overboard. Humans are animals too,we are in the same kingdom etc., so why don't they help Darfur?

PETA wasn't a bad idea. Ya know don't kill animals for know reason. Don't beat the living daylights out of Fido. The thing is they go overboard. Humans are animals too,we are in the same kingdom etc., so why don't they help Darfur?

Cause to the people of PETA, the people of Darfur aren't cute or cuddly.

In fact, here's a test case. Put five hundred maggots inside a PETA fundie's arm. Watch how quickly he screams to commit animal genocide.

Why? Cause maggots aren't cute and cuddly, so his rights supersedes animal rights.

As long as PETA keeps sending out naked women to decorate our streetcorners in the middle of winter, I'll support them!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1156/578102363_b862f4f9f5_o.jpg

Oh, I'll keep on thinking that they're unrealistic, idealistic, and - well - just a bit nutty.

But I'll support 'em!

:D:D:D

PETA - Petulant, Egomaniacal, Terrorist Assholes.

Heh. I kinda like that one. :p

Cause to the people of PETA, the people of Darfur aren't cute or cuddly.

In fact, here's a test case. Put five hundred maggots inside a PETA fundie's arm. Watch how quickly he screams to commit animal genocide.

Why? Cause maggots aren't cute and cuddly, so his rights supersedes animal rights.

A little extreme, but a good example of why the entire sentience standard for rights fails, big time. :)

As long as PETA keeps sending out naked women to decorate our streetcorners in the middle of winter, I'll support them!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1156/578102363_b862f4f9f5_o.jpg

Oh, I'll keep on thinking that they're unrealistic, idealistic, and - well - just a bit nutty.

But I'll support 'em!

:D:D:D

Well, the aren't naked. :rolleyes: They both are wearing boots, the one on the left has on a shirt and possibly some kind of pants, and the one on the right is wearing a scarf. :rolleyes: Oh, and unless they shaved "down there" they are wearing fir...OK, OK technically hair, but what is fur other than the hair of an animal?

As a Vegan, I really, really hate PETA. They make sane and rational vegans look like morons. I don't eat Vegan for moral reasons, I do it because it's responsible in the human sense to lower meat consumption, and therefore fossil feul usage.

Actually, more fossil fuel is used to grow vegetable, fruit and grain crops than is used in producing meat. Unless you are plowing a field the old fashioned way, behind a horse or ox drawn plow, you are using fossil fuel. Unless you harvest produce the old fashioned way, using hand labor (for instance, scythes and horse drawn cartage), you are using fossil fuel. Unless you process the produce the old fashioned way, you are using fossil fuel. For every aspect of crop production, fossil fuel is used; you couldn't produce enough to feed everyone if you didn't.

Food animals don't require massive outlays of fossil fuel to raise and process; the biggest outlay of fuel required in meat production is for transport to market. And that fuel outlay is equally true for vegetable production.

I'll allow this much about vegetarianism - vegetarians probably taste better then most other humans. I'll keep this in mind when Western society collapses under its own weight. Nothing personal mind you, but I'm going to wait for the thin people to starve to death. Then I'm going to eat them.

As a Vegan, I really, really hate PETA. They make sane and rational vegans look like morons. I don't eat Vegan for moral reasons, I do it because it's responsible in the human sense to lower meat consumption, and therefore fossil feul usage.
How many veggies had to die for your salad, man?

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/bacon.jpg
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I would loiter in public toilets for free bacon.

I would loiter in public toilets for free bacon.

It's worth it. Every lip-smackingly delicious bit of it.

PETA, waste of time. I think animals should be treated ethically but those folks are cracked.

I completely agree:cool:

A little extreme, but a good example of why the entire sentience standard for rights fails, big time. :)

When people are that set in their viewpoints, the only way to shift it is with dynamite. Lots, and lots of dynamite.

I don't support PETA, but I think calling them "immoral" is reactionary, at best.

PETA=People Eating Tasty Animals

Wrong PETA= People Eating and Tourturing Animals

I think our crazy friends at the PETA must not have heard of a little something known as the "food chain":

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4537/3f03wzh1.jpg

As long as PETA keeps sending out naked women to decorate our streetcorners in the middle of winter, I'll support them!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1156/578102363_b862f4f9f5_o.jpg

Oh, I'll keep on thinking that they're unrealistic, idealistic, and - well - just a bit nutty.

But I'll support 'em!

:D:D:D

Are those chicks wearing leather boots?

I don't support PETA, but I think calling them "immoral" is reactionary, at best.

They torture animals to death, film it, and claim that is how animals are killed to get meat. That is immoral.

Are those chicks wearing leather boots?

That's hi-fucking-larious.

I was curious about how many people support PETA, a rather controversial organization.

For those of you who aren't in the US:

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA

Anyway, I personally do not support PETA, partially because I like meat, medicine, and having pets (They're against meat, animal research, and, at least the president of PETA is against people having pets. They're also against horseback riding and guide dogs for the blind.)

In addition, it's a rather hypocritical organization. For example, it attacks those who put animals to sleep, while at the same time puts 2/3s of the animals it "saves" to sleep (For those of you demanding a source for this, Penn and Teller's humor/documentary show Bullshit! has an episode on PETA, which is where this information is drawn from. Here's a wiki article for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit%21 Note I do admit they admit to bias.)

In addition, their vice president is a type 1 (Insulin-dependent) diabetic, while at the same time they speak out against animal research, which is what brought us insulin in the first place.

Now then, there's also the fact that it compares animals being eaten to Jews being massacred and tortured in the holocaust:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_on_your_plate

So I feel that PETA is immoral.

Your views?

People Eating Tasty Animals FTW!

Oh, come on! Nobody liked my food chain? :(

Does anyone support PETA? I'm a vegetarian and even I don't like them. They are like the NRA for plant-eating. Which is to say, crazy.

Oh, come on! Nobody liked my food chain? :(

Not everyone here is French. Us non-French (or us non-cheese-eating-surrender-monkeys :p) don't just eat any part of anything that can feel pain. :p Every country has an "average diet" or "main diet". The American (I'm referring to those from the US you whiny technical internet people) diet consists mainly of foods heavy in fat, cloresterol, and sugar. Well, except for diet food, where the sugar is replaced with a somewhat toxic sugar-replacement and fat is replaced with an unknown chemical that has better tooth-rotting properties than sugar or acid-sugar, a highly unstable mixture of acid and sugar.

They torture animals to death, film it, and claim that is how animals are killed to get meat. That is immoral.They do? Hypocritical, anyway. Stupid, especially if they get caught doing it. But questions of morality seem unneccessarily loaded to me.

They do? Hypocritical, anyway. Stupid, especially if they get caught doing it. But questions of morality seem unneccessarily loaded to me.

Well, I have yet to see a moral system where defamation of character is not considered immoral, so I'm going with them being immoral.