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WELLINGTON, New Zealand -- UNESCO designated a city in Iraq where mosques have come under attack as an endangered world cultural treasure Thursday and revised its name for the Auschwitz death camp in Poland to emphasize Nazi Germany's role.

The United Nations' heritage group also took the unprecedented step of removing world heritage status from Oman's Arabian Oryx Sanctuary site, home to the rare antelope.

UNESCO also named several new world cultural sites, including the Sydney Opera House, the Iwami Ginzan silver mine in Japan, the Parthian Fortresses of Turkmenistan and the Red Fort in New Delhi built by Mogul emperors.

In inscribing the archaeological remains in the Iraqi city of Samarra on the World Heritage List, UNESCO did not mention the Iraq war, but said the site was listed as "in danger."

Insurgents have repeatedly targeted holy sites in Samarra, a city 60 miles north of the Iraqi capital. This month they blew up the minarets of the Askariya shrine, and in February 2006, insurgents destroyed the Shiite shrine's golden dome, setting off deadly sectarian violence in the country.

The Samarra site stretches along the eastern bank of the Tigris River and includes the 9th century Great Mosque with its 170-foot-tall spiral minaret. The 26-mile-long site "testifies to the architectural and artistic innovations that developed there and spread to the other regions of the Islamic world and beyond," the U.N. committee said.

Auschwitz now will be known as "Auschwitz-Birkenau. German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp (1940-1945)," said Roni Amelan, a spokesman for UNESCO's World Heritage Committee. Previously the camp was listed on the U.N. agency's registry as the "Auschwitz Concentration Camp."

Poland, which was subjected to a brutal Nazi occupation, sought the name change to ensure that people understand it had no role in establishing or running the camp where the Nazis killed more than 1 million people, most of them Jews.

The camp was made a World Heritage Site by the U.N. Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization in 1979.

The oryx sanctuary is the first site struck from the world heritage list since UNESCO's 1972 Convention for the protection of the world's cultural and natural heritage entered into force, spokesman Roni Amelan said.

"The World Heritage Committee deleted the property because of Oman's decision to reduce the size of the protected area by 90 percent, in contravention of the operational guidelines of the Convention," he said in a statement.

The committee noted that in 1996 there were 450 Arabian Oryx antelope on the site, but poaching and habitat degradation has seen the tally dwindle to 65.

"The committee expressed regret that (Oman had) failed to fulfill its obligations regarding the conservation of the sanctuary as defined by the World Heritage Convention," the statement added.

Other sites added to the list include the Lope-Okanda landscape of Gabon, the Richtersveld mountainous desert of South Africa, the rock carvings of Namibia's Twyfelfontein region and 1,800 fortified tower houses in China's Guangdong province.

The Teide National Park on the island of Tenerife and ancient beech forests in central Europe were also designated World Heritage sites, and a protected area of Switzerland's high Alps site of Jungfrau-Aletsch Bietschhorn was nearly doubled in size. The committee also listed the Mehmed Paa Sokolovic Bridge of Visegrad, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Canada's Rideau Canal and Greece's old town of Corfu.

On Friday, the committee added its final sites for this year: a Roman-era fortified palace in Serbia, a rock art landscape in Azerbaijan and a university campus in Mexico.

The central campus of the Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico is "a unique example of 20th-century modernism integrating urbanism, architecture, engineering, landscape design and fine arts."

The committee called the fortified palace compound of Gamzigrad-Romuliana in Serbia "a unique testimony of the Roman building tradition" in its "intertwining of ceremonial and memorial functions." The Gobustan rock art cultural landscape of central Azerbaijan, meanwhile, was called "an outstanding collection of some 6,000 rock engravings bearing testimony to 4000 years of rock art."

http://www.cbs8.com/stories/story.94925.html

Seems unnecessary, but whatever.

Real mature, Poland. Just trying to divert attention from your own problems by blaming Germany.

Real mature, Poland. Just trying to divert attention from your own problems by blaming Germany.

It's what politicians do.

They actually listened to Kaczyński and his little "blame germany" game? This really pisses me off. No-one should lidten to this moron.

Real mature, Poland. Just trying to divert attention from your own problems by blaming Germany.

why do you blame the whole of Poland, when the action was really only from the country's much-hated government?

They actually listened to Kaczyński and his little "blame germany" game? This really pisses me off. No-one should lidten to this moron.

Anyone who listens to Kaczyński is gonna become stupider than he is. (Nods)

Auschwitz now will be known as "Auschwitz-Birkenau. German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp (1940-1945)"

I want the contract for re-doing the street signs, maps, and train station signage.

Anyone who listens to Kaczyński is gonna become stupider than he is. (Nods)

indeed

I want the contract for re-doing the street signs, maps, and train station signage.

You will be paid per letter. Apply at...

why do you blame the whole of Poland, when the action was really only from the country's much-hated government?

You voted for him.

They actually listened to Kaczyński and his little "blame germany" game?

By the way: the UNESCO agreed. I wonder if people would be so hasty to call UNESCO far-right-wing extremists.

Does anybody know what it's going to be renamed to, exactly?

Good job UNESCO. Now the new name;

Auschwitz-Birkenau German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp

compared to the old name;

Auschwitz Concentration Camp

Perfectly appropriates the horrors perpetrated there not to Poland, but Nazi Germany. Note: Nazi Germany, not the Federal Republic of Germany.

It seems nitpicky, but it is technically more correct, I would say.

indeed

Yeah. Poland has a stupid government. He was rightfully called 'Poland's new potato'

why do you blame the whole of Poland, when the action was really only from the country's much-hated government?you dont think Poles should pay for the Polish Gov ?

you dont think Poles should pay for the Polish Gov ?

Well, it's not our fault we have a crappy govt.

why do you blame the whole of Poland, when the action was really only from the country's much-hated government?

Poland has a legally elected democracy. Sorry, they get some blame for electing these people, that is unless these people have gone on to do things illegal according to Polish law/constitution, which you don't elect people to do (that's how the Americans who voted for Bush get off, apparently, well, that and we didn't elect him in 2000).

Well, it's not our fault we have a crappy govt.

Actually, it IS.

Well, it's not our fault we have a crappy govt.Poland did not elect these guys?

They actually listened to Kaczyński and his little "blame germany" game? This really pisses me off. No-one should lidten to this moron.*Hums happily with the tune*

What? One gets used to it.

Poland did not elect these guys?

Let's see... the voter turnouts in both elections were below 50%: Most Polish people did not even vote. Then the Party that forms the current government did not get the majority of the votes, just more then other parties. Then Kaczynski promised that even though he would run for president, his brother, also involved in politics, would not become prime minister he lied.

Oh, and don't forget current approval ratings are as low as 20%.

Perfectly appropriates the horrors perpetrated there not to Poland, but Nazi Germany. Note: Nazi Germany, not the Federal Republic of Germany.

It seems nitpicky, but it is technically more correct, I would say.

Again, I will agree to this when eastern Germany is renamed "Scene of mass Soviet and Polish war crimes".

Actually, it IS.

how so?

Real mature, Poland. Just trying to divert attention from your own problems by blaming Germany.

Blame the immigrants. It's always the immigrants.

how so?

You elected them legally. Whether you had poor voter turnout is irrelevant, as those people then CHOSE not to vote, and therefore are RESPONSIBLE for the result of their CHOICE to inaction.

You elected them. You chose this government. They have done nothing illegal according to Polish law and or constitution that I have seen.

You can't wash your hands clean of this.

Well, it's not our fault we have a crappy govt.So If your President was hated by most.. and if he was secretly developing WMD.. You dont think the awesome Army should shock-and-Awe your cities, bomb your Roads and bridges, destroy your Water and Electricity infrastructure.. just to force your president (lets say his name was saddam) to surrender his hidden WMD ??

I mean this Polish president (saddam) was democratically elected by your people.. You surely feel you and you family can take some collateral for the sake of my Country (and his close friends) sleeping better.. making sure your President does not have these WMD ???

You elected them legally. Whether you had poor voter turnout is irrelevant, as those people then CHOSE not to vote, and therefore are RESPONSIBLE for the result of their CHOICE to inaction.

You elected them. You chose this government. They have done nothing illegal according to Polish law and or constitution that I have seen.

You can't wash your hands clean of this.

no, I did not vote for these guys. Americans don't consider themselves responsible for Bush, so why in fuck's name do you you think I should feel responsible for the fact my country is being run by a pair of morons?

So If your President was hated by most.. and if he was secretly developing WMD.. You dont think the awesome Army should shock-and-Awe your cities, bomb your Roads and bridges, destroy your Water and Electricity infrastructure.. just to force your president (lets say his name was saddam) to surrender his hidden WMD.

I mean this Polish president (saddam) was democratically elected by your people.. You surely feel you and you family can take some collateral for the sake of my Country (and his close friends) sleeping better.. making sure your President does not have these WMD ???

okay, this just isn't make any sense.

dp

no, I did not vote for these guys. Americans don't consider themselves responsible for Bush, so why in fuck's name do you you think I should feel responsible for the fact my country is being run by a pair of morons?

Most people think that Americans are. Saddle up, pal.

Auschwitz-Birkenau German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp
Ahh, that clears things up.

Until they added the new words, I always thought Auschwitz was a Polish Butlin's.

no, I did not vote for these guys. Americans don't consider themselves responsible for Bush, so why in fuck's do you you think I should feel responsible for the fact my country is being run by a pair of morons?
Well said.

Last time I checked, Poland wasn't a direct democracy, with its citizens ratifying every decision their government made.

okay, this just isn't make any sense.I know.

I knew it 5 years ago. ... because that president was not even elected.

starting wars and "collaterating" civilians over -their President having WMD- does not make sense.. specially since we have a shitload.

Again, I will agree to this when eastern Germany is renamed "Scene of mass Soviet and Polish war crimes".Lies. The majority of the forced migrations - I.e. not running away from the Red Army because they've a habit of fucking you to death - happened after the war. Not a warcrime :-)

Also, you're forgetting the Czechs.

no, I did not vote for these guys. Americans don't consider themselves responsible for Bush, so why in fuck's name do you you think I should feel responsible for the fact my country is being run by a pair of morons?

You = the Polish people, and yes, they did elect these people. That is why they are in office. Unless you are trying to suggest voter fraud. Do you have any evidence of that?

As for Bush, prior to 2004 we actually had NOT elected him, and it was a case of voter fraud. After 2004, we had elected him, and we are responsible partly for his actions. I say partly because he has at this point violated our laws and constitution, and you cannot elect a leader to do those things, therefore he is no longer acting as an elected official.

Has the Polish government violated Polish laws or the Polish Constitution? Are they guilty of voter fraud? If not, you (the Polish people) are responsible for the choice you made.

Most people think that Americans are. Saddle up, pal.

No, just over half the American voters are responsible. We had a sizeable minority of rational people in Nov. 2004 though.

So If your President was hated by most.. and if he was secretly developing WMD.. You dont think the awesome Army should shock-and-Awe your cities, bomb your Roads and bridges, destroy your Water and Electricity infrastructure.. just to force your president (lets say his name was saddam) to surrender his hidden WMD ??

I mean this Polish president (saddam) was democratically elected by your people.. You surely feel you and you family can take some collateral for the sake of my Country (and his close friends) sleeping better.. making sure your President does not have these WMD ???How about you keep your Iraq fetish in Iraq threads, rather than spamming thoughtlessly (Well, all your posts are thoughtless, but anyway...) in the threads that don't happen to cater to your fetish?

You = the Polish people, and yes, they did elect these people. That is why they are in office. Unless you are trying to suggest voter fraud. Do you have any evidence of that?The possibility that the people who voted against the Ducks may, just may not be responsible escapes you, doesn't it?

The possibility that the people who didn't vote did so to protest the - well, I don't know enough about Poland to call it a fact - the possibility that all parties kinda sucked - to them, anyway - escapes you, doesn't it?

Saying that those who didn't vote at all are responsible for the Ducks is effectively the same as saying "Who isn't for us is against us!". You agree with that phrase?

Parts of the Polish population elected the... However they're spelled ('Duck' is so much easier). Parts of these were deceived, and have since changed their opinion. Damning the entirety of Poland - every man, woman, child, fetus, opposition politician, human rights activist, whatever - for them is like damning the entire muslim world for 9/11. It's like blaming the entirety of Germany for WW2. It's like blaming the entirety of the United States for Guantanamo. It's like blaming the entirety of the Netherlands for Big Brother.

I.e. it's fucking retarded.

You = the Polish people, and yes, they did elect these people. That is why they are in office. Unless you are trying to suggest voter fraud. Do you have any evidence of that?

As for Bush, prior to 2004 we actually had NOT elected him, and it was a case of voter fraud. After 2004, we had elected him, and we are responsible partly for his actions. I say partly because he has at this point violated our laws and constitution, and you cannot elect a leader to do those things, therefore he is no longer acting as an elected official.

Has the Polish government violated Polish laws or the Polish Constitution? Are they guilty of voter fraud? If not, you (the Polish people) are responsible for the choice you made.
so you believe that the majority of polish people support this guy and I am in this group? you make no sense here.

Lies. The majority of the forced migrations - I.e. not running away from the Red Army because they've a habit of fucking you to death - happened after the war. Not a warcrime :-)

No, just a crime against humanity.

Also, you're forgetting the Czechs.

I am too.

You can always count on four scapegoats in politics - Communists, the Gays, Immigrants, and the Germans.

You can always count on four scapegoats in politics - Communists, the Gays, Immigrants, and the Germans.

In modern countries, conservatives are fairly popular targets too.

How about you keep your Iraq fetish in Iraq threads... in the threads that don't happen to cater to your fetish?
silly boy.. ever heard of freedom-of-speech?
oh wait ... you are German. You dont have freedom of speech over there.

I see... Your fetish is about The Nazis being the victims.. and you have reserved this thread for your fetish.

silly boy.. ever heard of freedom-of-speech?
oh wait ... you are German. You dont have freedom of speech over there.The awesomeness of c/p to save posts from having particularly impressive bits of idiocy edited out of them. I love it.

Anyway.

Well, first of all, I've a present for you:

http://constanttrek.typepad.com/photos/picardie/strawman.JPG
You win the Strawman 2007 award.

So, lets see. You pull... A Godwin, a fallacy - that freedom of speech should allow you to spam random off-topic bullshit -, and another Godwin variation combined with basic nationality-based resentment. Plus various evidently and quite obviously false statements. Well, at least we can be certain that you're not suffering from constipation, given the metric fucktons of bullshit you're producing.

Admittedly, at least this post of yours was on topic (Sorta), as you're effectively quoting the present polish government. Funny how that goes - you'd have elected it, it seems.

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is that you in the picture? :D

How mature. Your debate skills must make your parents proud. Almost on topic, almost relating to the points raised against you - hey, soon you'll make it into kindergarten :D

The awesomeness of c/p to save posts from having particularly impressive bits of idiocy edited out of them. I love it.

Anyway.

Well, first of all, I've a present for you:

http://constanttrek.typepad.com/photos/picardie/strawman.JPG
You win the Strawman 2007 award.

So, lets see. You pull... A Godwin, a fallacy - that freedom of speech should allow you to spam random off-topic bullshit -, and another Godwin variation combined with basic nationality-based resentment. Plus various evidently and quite obviously false statements. Well, at least we can be certain that you're not suffering from constipation, given the metric fucktons of bullshit you're producing.

Admittedly, at least this post of yours was on topic (Sorta), as you're effectively quoting the present polish government. Funny how that goes - you'd have elected it, it seems.

You know, you can't really invoke Godwin's Law if the entire discussion is actually based on nazis. Considering that a discussion about Auschwitz pretty much guarantees that the Nazi party makes an appearance regularly in the discussion, I don't know that you can pull a Godwin here.

You know, you can't really invoke Godwin's Law if the entire discussion is actually based on nazis. Considering that a discussion about Auschwitz pretty much guarantees that the Nazi party makes an appearance regularly in the discussion, I don't know that you can pull a Godwin here.If OD had actually been a part of the discussion, this would be true. Unfortunately, he tries to discuss (Sorta... Kind of... Failing... But anyway) something rather different, eventually invoking what amounts to racism (And god, I love it when so-called leftists do that) without any actual relation to the op.

Hence, why it can.

If OD had actually been a part of the discussion, this would be true. Unfortunately, he tries to discuss (Sorta... Kind of... Failing... But anyway) something rather different, eventually invoking what amounts to racism (And god, I love it when so-called leftists do that) without any actual relation to the op.

Hence, why it can.you seem to be calling me racist.. are you?

you seem to be calling I am a racist.. are you?There is only one word capable of describing the sheer power of your reading comprehension.

Awesome.

I suppose if Poland wants to change the name of their concentration camp, no one can stop them.

There is no law against stupidity.

There is only one word capable of describing the sheer power of your reading comprehension.

Awesome.yes.. Yes I am awesome :p But ... appeasing my ego is not going to work. ...not everytime :D
( yes I know you mean opposites, but your post (# 48) is incomprehensible anyways)

You can't destroy the Poles but if you give them power they'll destroy themselves.

Carry on Poland, you're just doing fine.

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In a couple of years they'll be begging for an invasion, just to come under the rule of some more spohisticated and civlised people. :D

In a couple of years they'll be begging for an invasion, just to come under the rule of some more spohisticated and civlised people. :D
Thank you, I prefer to remain unspohisticated and uncivlised. Whatever it is, must be detrimental to the mental capabilities if it produces the likes of you.
And to those who wonder why change the name of Auschwitz camp, I would be just as amazed as you were it not for the fact that there are people in the media who write about Auschwitz as "Polish concentration camp", out of ignorance I'm sure. Although I don't believe that the name change will stop them.

What, exactly, is the issue here? I'm a little confused.

What, exactly, is the issue here? I'm a little confused.
"Auschwitz now will be known as "Auschwitz-Birkenau. German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp (1940-1945)," said Roni Amelan, a spokesman for UNESCO's World Heritage Committee. Previously the camp was listed on the U.N. agency's registry as the "Auschwitz Concentration Camp."
Poland, which was subjected to a brutal Nazi occupation, sought the name change to ensure that people understand it had no role in establishing or running the camp where the Nazis killed more than 1 million people, most of them Jews."

In other words, the Polish government (consisting presently of the Kaczynski twin brothers and so help me Fred I'm not making this up, they are the President and the PM :upyours:) chose to stir up the shit and remind everybody how they kick the German ass in hopes of boosting their popularity. Pity that all it does is piss the Germans off and damage the good relationships built by the previous governments. The name change will have zero efect on those who are so ignorant as to forget about who exactly orchestrated the Holocaust and the Polish populace generally doesn't see their western neighbour as a threat and rather as a herald of Polish cause in the efforts to join the EU in previous years.

"Auschwitz now will be known as "Auschwitz-Birkenau. German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp (1940-1945)," said Roni Amelan, a spokesman for UNESCO's World Heritage Committee. Previously the camp was listed on the U.N. agency's registry as the "Auschwitz Concentration Camp."
Poland, which was subjected to a brutal Nazi occupation, sought the name change to ensure that people understand it had no role in establishing or running the camp where the Nazis killed more than 1 million people, most of them Jews."

In other words, the Polish government (consisting presently of the Kaczynski twin brothers and so help me Fred I'm not making this up, they are the President and the PM :upyours:) chose to stir up the shit and remind everybody how they kick the German ass in hopes of boosting their popularity. Pity that all it does is piss the Germans off and damage the good relationships built by the previous governments. The name change will have zero efect on those who are so ignorant as to forget about who exactly orchestrated the Holocaust and the Polish populace generally doesn't see their western neighbour as a threat and rather as a herald of Polish cause in the efforts to join the EU in previous years.

Well do the Germans care about this? Because if they don't, what's the big deal? (BTW, how can you have twins as president?).

Well do the Germans care about this? Because if they don't, what's the big deal?
They tried not to, but the Ducks broke through.
(BTW, how can you have twins as president?).
I don't know, maybe conjoined twins? But this case isn't SO weird: one is President, the other is Prime Minister. The only thing preventing them from turning the country into their private boot camp is the Constitution defended by the Constitution Tribunal.

They tried not to, but the Ducks broke through.


Really, the germans should grow a thicker skin about these things. Maybe they should take lessons from the English.

Really, the germans should grow a thicker skin about these things.
Honestly, they don't object to this (they hardly could) but they see it as a part of anti-German campaign rather than as an attempt to clarify things for the uninformed, and their attitude is produced by the efforts of the current Polish government that sees anti-German rhetorics as a way of gaining popularity. Erroneously, as the recent polls both on the government standing and the opinion of Germans show (21% and 61% positive opinions respectively).

(BTW, how can you have twins as president?).


It's poland...

Really, the germans should grow a thicker skin about these things. Maybe they should take lessons from the English.I agree.

It seem to me that some Germans break like glass.. the minute someone says the key words "anti-semite" "nazi" "Holocaust"

Germany is the last country in the world I would want to piss off.

2 weeks later in Auschwitz
German Soldier: "Was ist es namen!"
Poland Guy: "Auschwitz-Birkenau!" *sobs*

*My german sucked when I was learning it, that was two years ago.*

Germany is the last country in the world I would want to piss off.you were raped by the DeutschefußNationalmannscraft.. weren't you? :D

to all the Germans: Dont tell him yet.. wait 30 minutes. ;)

you were raped by the DeutschefußNationalmannscraft.. weren't you? :D

to all the Germans: Dont tell him yet.. wait 30 minutes. ;)

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D:

Pity that all it does is piss the Germans off and damage the good relationships built by the previous governments.Well, not so much. The government's been rather quiet and diplomat about the matter, effectively talking about 'Wanting to improve relations with Poland' when the K... whatevers chose to warn about Germany once more falling to extremism, and from what I can tell, public opinion is 'Mild amusement' more than anything (Unless you talk to ex-silesians, anyway).

It's of course arguable whether this is the true reaction or whether it's simply holding back because Germany simply cannot get loud without raising a shitstorm int he rest of the world - but by and large, I'd say that the K-brother's efforts are mostly vasted, not only in Poland, but on the toehr side of the border, too.

'sides, you're doing a pretty good job at revising the image of Poland yourself, even if it only reaches a handful of Germans.

Germany is the last country in the world I would want to piss off.

2 weeks later in Auschwitz
German Soldier: "Was ist es namen!"
Poland Guy: "Auschwitz-Birkenau!" *sobs*

*My german sucked when I was learning it, that was two years ago.*

Yeah, that isn't right. :p Not that mine's a whole lot better, but that ain't it.

Germany is the last country in the world I would want to piss off.

2 weeks later in Auschwitz
German Soldier: "Was ist es namen!"
Poland Guy: "Auschwitz-Birkenau!" *sobs*

*My German sucked when I was learning it, that was two years ago.*

You know my German sucks too and I finished it a month ago:D("studied" it six years)

Oh, crap no. It looks like subtitles for american tourists.

Anyways the last thing the world needs is another debate on the Nazis.

Thank you, I prefer to remain unspohisticated and uncivlised. Whatever it is, must be detrimental to the mental capabilities if it produces the likes of you.


Oh, c'mon! I was joking, just in case you didn't get it. :rolleyes:

I'd say that the K-brother's efforts are mostly vasted, not only in Poland, but on the toehr side of the border, too.
I'm really relieved to hear this from independent source.

'sides, you're doing a pretty good job at revising the image of Poland yourself, even if it only reaches a handful of Germans.
Thank you. I believe that the more people know of Poland (yes, including the things I'm not proud of) the better its image will be.
Oh, c'mon! I was joking, just in case you didn't get it. :rolleyes:
I admit that my sense of humour failed me completely there. Maybe the joke was not as obvious as you thought it to be.

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D:the DeutschefußNationalmannscraft kicks ass

The amount of stupidity here really amazes me from both sides. For one, I am of Polish decent. If they want to change the name, who really cares?

Blaming it all on Germany, yeah, they were the ones who built the camps, invaded the country and put millions of people there. I dont remember hearing that anyone else was involved with it.

Brothers being leaders of a nation, pretty stupid I know, but saying they are Polish doesnt explain why they did it. Thats like saying because Russians are Russians they installed a dictator that killed 30 million people, or because people from Zimbabwe constitute them having put in a ruthless dictator they cant get rid of.

Polish crimes against the East Germans, wow, this cant get much dumber can it. I take it you have a PhD in history...................idiot....