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Circumcision is not mentioned in the Qur'an. By circumicising your children, you are practicing a Jewish tradition, in contradiction to Islam. How can you be a true Muslim if you follow the laws of Judaism over the laws os Islam?? http://www.quran.org/khatne.htm

I remember Multiland being a lot more eloquent.

Why on earth post that here? The only Muslim NSer that's currently active is that funny troll who wants everybody to be servants of Allah...

Don't do it because it's what the jews do? :p Actually, that might be kinda persuasive to some Muslims. Still silly, though.

Why would anyone cut bits of their penis off?

Don't do it because it's what the jews do? :p Actually, that might be kinda persuasive to some Muslims. Still silly, though.

It's something that's commanded to Jews. By doing it, you are following Judaism, not Islam. Just as by believing in Christ as your Lord and Saviour who died for your sins and by praying to him, you are following Christianity, not Islam.

Why on earth post that here? The only Muslim NSer that's currently active is that funny troll who wants everybody to be servants of Allah...

But I am a servant of the unknowable supreme being... I just don't use Arabic to say that :)

I'm not sure if there really are any muslims here on NSG.

Different religions can share the same practises as each other without following the laws a another religion you know.

It's something that's commanded to Jews. By doing it, you are following Judaism, not Islam. Just as by believing in Christ as your Lord and Saviour who died for your sins and by praying to him, you are following Christianity, not Islam.

You can't believe in Christ as the sole Lord and be a muslim at the same time. You can circumsise yourself and be a muslim with no conflict. ;) It doesn't automatically make you a jew, as believing in Christ to the exclusion of Muhammad would make you a Christian.

But I am a servant of the unknowable supreme being

Your ego?

Seriously, the reasons for performing a barbaric act are pretty much moot.

If I remember my religious culture classes properly, Muslims believe that Muhammad was the restorer of the original monotheistic faith of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets (and not the founder of a new religious tradition). Islamic tradition contains many elements of earlier forms of Judaism and Christianity that have become distorted or changed over the years.

EDIT: Clarification; I mean that they have changed within Judaism and Christianity whilst remains more or less the same within the Islamic traditions.

So...

I'm not circumcised.
Circumcision is not mentioned in the qur'an.
I must be a muslim.

Is that roughly how it goes?

Why would anyone cut bits of their penis off?

religion makes people to stupid things...

Seriously, the reasons for performing a barbaric act are pretty much moot.

Circumcision is a medical procedure that many have performed, simply for hygiene reasons. Supposedly it helps reduce possibility of infection growing under the foreskin. Personally I can't say how effective it is. I'm sure there are studies out there are prove it is both effective and ineffective. Such is human nature.

So...

I'm not circumcised.
Circumcision is not mentioned in the qur'an.
I must be a muslim.

Is that roughly how it goes?

"It's the old logical catch. All cats have four legs. My dog has four legs. Therefore my dog is a cat." Good old Sir Humphrey...

I'm not sure if there really are any muslims here on NSG.

I don't know. Soviestan is ALMOST believable, and the Sadisco Room, while certainly kidding, is the most awesome poster we've had in a while...

Hold...Do you think he's DCD?

Your ego?

Seriously, the reasons for performing a barbaric act are pretty much moot.

Actually, male circumcision now has a medical reason behind it.

It radically reduces your chance of transmission of AIDS.

Of course, if you're willing to take the risk, by all means, don't get circumcised.

I don't know. Soviestan is ALMOST believable, and the Sadisco Room, while certainly kidding, is the most awesome poster we've had in a while...

Hold...Do you think he's DCD?

Soviestan isn't really a muslim. He's just trolling.

I don't know. Soviestan is ALMOST believable, and the Sadisco Room, while certainly kidding, is the most awesome poster we've had in a while...

Hold...Do you think he's DCD?

Wasn't there someone here a long while back who had some kind or mystical experience and converted after magically learning the arabic-language profession of belief in a dream, or something? :p I remember that thread from way back when I used to play, but I don't know who it was.

Why would anyone cut bits of their penis off?

It's not actual penis, it's foreskin. And why not? Why do people get pirceings, or brandings or implants, or tats, or wear clothes, or makup or shoes with incredibly long heels? Why are some religious and some not, some eat meat and some don't?

Actually, male circumcision now has a medical reason behind it.

It radically reduces your chance of transmission of AIDS.

Of course, if you're willing to take the risk, by all means, don't get circumcised.
That's good news!

I will definately get circumcised now. I'm dead tired of using condoms.

That's good news!

I will definately get circumcised now. I'm dead tired of using condoms.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8473838/

Male circumcision reduces the risk that men will contract HIV through intercourse with infected women by about 70 percent, according to a study reported in The Wall Street Journal.

After discovering the dramatic results, French and South African researchers halted the study about nine months in order to offer the uncircumcised men the opportunity to undergo the procedure, the newspaper reported.

It's a lot easier to wank uncircumcised, however. And you'll know how to touch a woman. (Nods)

It's not actual penis, it's foreskin. And why not? Why do people get pirceings, or brandings or implants, or tats, or wear clothes, or makup or shoes with incredibly long heels? Why are some religious and some not, some eat meat and some don't?

Well now you are getting at the difference between religion and ritual. What, after-all, is getting a tattoo or wearing clothes? Is it culture or is it free expression? Or is it conforming to a certain standard? And where do you draw these lines.

It's a lot easier to wank uncircumcised, however. And you'll know how to touch a woman. (Nods)

What what and what?

What what and what?

The foreskin. Wanking with the foreskin. Apparently it's like touching a clit. (Nods)

Nothing in the qur'an, but there is a Hadith (saying of the prophet muhammad):
"The practices related to Fitrah are five: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and removing the hair of the armpits." (Related by Bukhari, al-Muwatta & the Group)
So thats your info.

The foreskin. Wanking with the foreskin. Apparently it's like touching a clit. (Nods)

Not in my experience :confused: Are you sure you don't mean the glans penis is the male equivalent of the clitoris?

Circumcision is not mentioned in the Qur'an. By circumicising your children, you are practicing a Jewish tradition, in contradiction to Islam. How can you be a true Muslim if you follow the laws of Judaism over the laws os Islam?? http://www.quran.org/khatne.htm Oh for fucks sake who bloody cares! bunch of arse!

Oh for fucks sake who bloody cares! bunch of arse!

Well if you aren't going to partake of an informed discussion, why bother even looking in the thread?

Not in my experience :confused: Are you sure you don't mean the glans penis is the male equivalent of the clitoris?

You'll have to refresh me. I'm not great with Latin.

Well now you are getting at the difference between religion and ritual. What, after-all, is getting a tattoo or wearing clothes? Is it culture or is it free expression? Or is it conforming to a certain standard? And where do you draw these lines.

Why would you need to draw a line between culture and free expression? :)

You'll have to refresh me. I'm not great with Latin.

Glans penis = the tip of the penis (the bit covered by the foreskin)

Actually, male circumcision now has a medical reason behind it.

It radically reduces your chance of transmission of AIDS.

Of course, if you're willing to take the risk, by all means, don't get circumcised.

Correction: It was found to radically reduce the risk of AIDS IN AFRICA. If you live in a clean, hygienic part of the world, there is really no point to getting circumsised.

Besides, I still think the whole thing was a conspiracy just to use the headline "Circumcision cuts HIV risk" with a study by "Dr. De Cock".

Yes, that last part is a joke.

Also, being circumsised reduces the pleasure of sex and makes the glans less sensitive (They harden).

Nothing in the qur'an, but there is a Hadith (saying of the prophet muhammad):
"The practices related to Fitrah are five: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and removing the hair of the armpits." (Related by Bukhari, al-Muwatta & the Group)
So thats your info.

So Britney Spears is a Muslim?

Hmmm...

So, if a man is circimsised, he's a Jew, if not he's a Muslim... so, where does tha leave Christian males?

Oh go fly around on your broomstick.

You'll have to refresh me. I'm not great with Latin.

Don't worry, most people aren't. It is a great shame, but tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis.

Hmmm...

So, if a man is circimsised, he's a Jew, if not he's a Muslim... so, where does tha leave Christian males?

You have to get half and half

Well now you are getting at the difference between religion and ritual. What, after-all, is getting a tattoo or wearing clothes? Is it culture or is it free expression? Or is it conforming to a certain standard? And where do you draw these lines.

Well some would say that, but others would say that not all circumsied men are so because of religoin, I fall into this catogory myself.

You have to get half and half

Sweet n' low.

Oh go fly around on your broomstick.

EHEHEHEEHEHEHEHE

*Takes off*

Well if you aren't going to partake of an informed discussion, why bother even looking in the thread? Every day another pointless thread on religion THATS WHY! You think you gonna convert someone? Its like the bloody jehovas witnesses coming round your door! Oh I put a thread on and converted the world of Islam to my point of view! Get real!

Every day another pointless thread on religion THATS WHY! You think you gonna convert someone? Its like the bloody jehovas witnesses coming round your door! Oh I put a thread on and converted the world of Islam to my point of view! Get real!

Then why do you debate at all on here?

EHEHEHEEHEHEHEHE

*Takes off*

Get your ass back here! I need that broom to clean the pool! :mad:

I am! thats my pint of view. Why not stick some stuff about gun control on and really start the shit flying.

Well some would say that, but others would say that not all circumsied men are so because of religoin, I fall into this catogory myself.

I have to agree with you. It is a ritual, but can be medical, religous or just traditional in aspect. And given that the UN estimates there is to between 900-1300 million Muslims in the world, there must be quite a few who were circumsised for reasons other than the Qu'ran. I'm not quite sure what the original post was trying to get at. It doesn't say anything about electricity in the Bible, but most Christians use it.

Every day another pointless thread on religion THATS WHY! You think you gonna convert someone? Its like the bloody jehovas witnesses coming round your door! Oh I put a thread on and converted the world of Islam to my point of view! Get real!

Hardly anyone here posts with the real expectation that they'll "convert" anyone to any new position on any issue.

This is an experiment in group intellectual wanking and ego stroking.

I am! thats my pint of view. Why not stick some stuff about gun control on and really start the shit flying.

Why bother? You said yourself you aren't going to convert anyone to your way of thinking

This is an experiment in group intellectual wanking and ego stroking.

I use it more as a way to modify and strengthen my opinions on different things

Hardly anyone here posts with the real expectation that they'll "convert" anyone to any new position on any issue.

This is an experiment in group intellectual wanking and ego stroking.

You sir, are a star!:D

Why bother? You said yourself you aren't going to convert anyone to your way of thinking Wot I am saying is that these threads are getting samey and unoriginal.

Circumcision is not mentioned in the Qur'an. By circumicising your children, you are practicing a Jewish tradition, in contradiction to Islam. How can you be a true Muslim if you follow the laws of Judaism over the laws os Islam?? http://www.quran.org/khatne.htm

Not really,... it's because that Abraham/Ibrahim,... y'know the father of the believers,... said so. While some Muslims said it's obligatory, other said that it was Sunnah, depends on with who you're speaking with.

And it's hygienic too, so, why the fuss?

Get your ass back here! I need that broom to clean the pool! :mad:

what is this pool you speak of?

Hardly anyone here posts with the real expectation that they'll "convert" anyone to any new position on any issue.

This is an experiment in group intellectual wanking and ego stroking.

I thought that was the whole point of this board?

Sometimes I wonder how circumcision got started in the first place, don't you?

It's not exactly the thing that comes up in everyday conversation;
"You know, I bet my penis wouldn't smell as bad if it weren't for this flap of skin. Hey Bob, could you do me a favor?" *holds out a sharp rock to Bob* "Fuck no. Get that thing away from me!"

or perhaps the first circumision was an accident;

"You know Bob, ever since that close but embarrassing encounter with that beaver, I've noticed that my penis gets a lot less sand stuck in painful places."

"I'm trying to eat, asshole!" -*wanders off in search of more polite dinner conversation*

:confused:

what is this pool you speak of?

The one in my back yard. *nod*

Every day another pointless thread on religion THATS WHY! You think you gonna convert someone? Its like the bloody jehovas witnesses coming round your door! Oh I put a thread on and converted the world of Islam to my point of view! Get real!

Calm down. If you disagree with it, don't look at the thread. It is rather different to having the Jehovah's Witnesses coming to the door; on this forum you have the choice on whether or not to go into a discussion that may involve religion.

Sometimes I wonder how circumcision got started in the first place, don't you?

:confused:

I was thinking more on the lines of,...

"hey it must feel so nice rubbing the head when it's revealed,... how do I make this permanent?"

Every day another pointless thread on religion THATS WHY! You think you gonna convert someone? Its like the bloody jehovas witnesses coming round your door! Oh I put a thread on and converted the world of Islam to my point of view! Get real!

Heh and still you just can't leave it alone huh.

Thats the good thing about this place, the topics are broad and range from the enlightend to the inane. You get to choose both what you read and respond to.

Now obviously religion holds some interest for you, or why are you here?

Wot I am saying is that these threads are getting samey and unoriginal.

Then people must still be interested in them. If a topic is popular it will crop up again and again. As I have said, you don't have to even open a thread that bores you.

So Britney Spears is a Muslim?

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Glans penis = the tip of the penis (the bit covered by the foreskin)

Yeah, that.

The one in my back yard. *nod*

and what is "back yard" you speak of?

and what is "back yard" you speak of?

my milkshake bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like...

I was thinking more on the lines of,...

"hey it must feel so nice rubbing the head when it's revealed,... how do I make this permanent?"

......so that it can become less sensitive in time ;)

I use it more as a way to modify and strengthen my opinions on different things

Hehe and as with most things, I'm only here for the craic!

......so that it can become less sensitive in time ;)

Well, NOW THEY KNOW,... hardy har har.

Oh,... if I told people here that I am a Muslim, would that be believeable?

Well, NOW THEY KNOW,... hardy har har.

Oh,... if I told people here that I am a Muslim, would that be believeable?

No more or less than any other claim you make that hasn't evidence to back it

Hehe and as with most things, I'm only here for the craic!

That too :p

and what is "back yard" you speak of?
That place with all the grass, behind my house?
my milkshake bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like...

Pfft, my yard is better.

Heh and still you just can't leave it alone huh.

Thats the good thing about this place, the topics are broad and range from the enlightend to the inane. You get to choose both what you read and respond to.

Now obviously religion holds some interest for you, or why are you here? The point is, this thread, and others like it are designed to get some moslem on and BAIT the poor sod till he froths! That is bloody juvanile! Now I must get back to work.

No more or less than any other claim you make that hasn't evidence to back it

Take in on account of faith I guess.

Well, NOW THEY KNOW,... hardy har har.

Oh,... if I told people here that I am a Muslim, would that be believeable?

Would it matter? In my line of work, one of the many duties we have is to teach people about how anyone can say anything about themselves online without the need for proof. Admittedly we focus more on helping children avoid the more undesirable sections of society, but the point stands.

my milkshake bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like...
sorry, i'm afraid your post does not answer my question.

That place with all the grass, behind my house?


Pfft, my yard is better.

so, wait... You have some place with grass behing your house. That's a kind of weird idea....

The point is, this thread, and others like it are designed to get some moslem on and BAIT the poor sod till he froths! That is bloody juvanile! Now I must get back to work.

Or maybe it was more someone trying to encourage an informed and interesting discussion or debate on an issue.

why not have a thread called "Students. Why are they full of shite?"

Or maybe it was more someone trying to encourage an informed and interesting discussion or debate on an issue.

It's hard to tell in these kind of forums.

so, wait... You have some place with grass behing your house. That's a kind of weird idea....

I actullay have 3 yards..

Or maybe it was more someone trying to encourage an informed and interesting discussion or debate on an issue. Yeah. Right. In your dreams.

Would it matter? In my line of work, one of the many duties we have is to teach people about how anyone can say anything about themselves online without the need for proof. Admittedly we focus more on helping children avoid the more undesirable sections of society, but the point stands.

Yes indeed I stand at a massive 7'6!

Why on earth post that here? The only Muslim NSer that's currently active is that funny troll who wants everybody to be servants of Allah...

I always thought that it is not very polite to post a thread beginning with "to all (...)". It's like saying "if you do not belong to this set of people, you aren't welcome to this thread".

Really, we should avoid that here on NSG.

Now, I'll start looking for Soviestan's answer to the OP. He's mightly amusing.

It's hard to tell in these kind of forums.

Oi you, back to work!:eek:

Yeah. Right. In your dreams.

Why are you bothering to argue this point? As you've said before that you aren't going to change anyones mind

I actullay have 3 yards..

allright, i'm just confused. The idea of having a yard with your house is weird enough, and you have 3 of them??

Circumcision is a medical procedure that many have performed, simply for hygiene reasons. Supposedly it helps reduce possibility of infection growing under the foreskin. Personally I can't say how effective it is. I'm sure there are studies out there are prove it is both effective and ineffective. Such is human nature.

If people learn to wash there wouldn't be a problem.

Oi you, back to work!:eek:

... okay, that post just triggered my paranoid delusions...

Why are you bothering to argue this point? As you've said before that you aren't going to change anyones mind
The thread is ment to offend. Its also pointless.

why not have a thread called "Students. Why are they full of shite?"

If it is something you feel strongly about, why not? From what I have seen of this forum there would be quite a few people who would be happy to argue about that topic.

Yeah. Right. In your dreams.

Well it is a possibility.

The thread is ment to offend. Its also pointless.

I disagree. If it is offensive, surely someone other than you wold have commented. It is merely someone who has stated a point of view and others have replied. If you dislike it, then do not read such posts.

The thread is ment to offend. Its also pointless.

Then leave it since you can't change it

Circumcision is not mentioned in the Qur'an. By circumicising your children, you are practicing a Jewish tradition, in contradiction to Islam. How can you be a true Muslim if you follow the laws of Judaism over the laws os Islam?? http://www.quran.org/khatne.htm

Silly Multiland -- the origins of Islam come out of the Jewish tradition. Just as the origins of the Christian faith also come out of Jewish tradition.

Similar situation of parallel religious practices: If I recall correctly, Halal meats are treated in the same exact way as Kosher meats -- therefore, at need, Muslims can shop in a Kosher butcher shop and vice versa.

The thread is ment to offend. Its also pointless.
no, it's not. Everyone should no that the true purpose of these threads is to become something completely relevant. Not that any-one hijacks these, it just always happens.

It's something that's commanded to Jews. By doing it, you are following Judaism, not Islam. Just as by believing in Christ as your Lord and Saviour who died for your sins and by praying to him, you are following Christianity, not Islam.

Are you saying circumcised Christians are therefore following Judaism?

allright, i'm just confused. The idea of having a yard with your house is weird enough, and you have 3 of them??

Yes.

Doesn't Poland have suburbs? I know you're in the city, but..

Silly Multiland -- the origins of Islam come out of the Jewish tradition. Just as the origins of the Christian faith also come out of Jewish tradition.

Similar situation of parallel religious practices: If I recall correctly, Halal meats are treated in the same exact way as Kosher meats -- therefore, at need, Muslims can shop in a Kosher butcher shop and vice versa.

Exception,... EVERYTHING that's from the ocean is halal,... including shellfish... and dolphins and whales... *harpoons*

Silly Multiland -- the origins of Islam come out of the Jewish tradition. Just as the origins of the Christian faith also come out of Jewish tradition.

I read once that Christianity is more closely related to the Egyptian religion, with Jesus standing in for Isis, and Christian philosophy an updated form of neo-Platonism. But that could've just been silly revisionism. :p

I read once that Christianity is more closely related to the Egyptian religion, with Jesus standing in for Isis, and Christian philosophy an updated form of neo-Platonism. But that could've just been silly revisionism. :p

It is also very similar to the Roman religious tradition of Mithras. All religions contain aspects of previous religious beliefs and doctrine.

so, wait... You have some place with grass behing your house. That's a kind of weird idea....

What, that people live in houses with grass on the ground surrounding it, instead of concrete?

It is also very similar to the Roman religious tradition of Mithras. All religions contain aspects of previous religious beliefs and doctrine.

Yah, which was the religion of the legions. Which probably explains why it was so easy for Constantine to make it the official religion and spread it.

Exception,... EVERYTHING that's from the ocean is halal,... including shellfish... and dolphins and whales... *harpoons*

I didn't say ALL FOODS MUSLIM EAT ARE KOSHER, I said Halal meats and Kosher meats are treated the same way and can be eaten by either group.

Why put words in my post?

No, actually we don't our definition of a suburb is the outer districts of a city. all those nasty concrete towers with the poor people living in them. Lot's of crime there too. Not a good place to visit.

That's actually sad.

Yah, which was the religion of the legions. Which probably explains why it was so easy for Constantine to make it the official religion and spread it.

Well that and the method by which the Romans enforced their control over provinces. They often tied their gods into local gods. Identifying the local chief God and saying that the local god was an aspect of Jupiter. They were also happy to adopt new rituals and practises. Although it did take about 100 years before the majority of the Roman empire was Christian, it is harder to go from a polytheistic to monotheistic culture.

Suburbs = ghetto?

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/images/smilies/wtf.gif

Suburbs = ghetto?

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/images/smilies/wtf.gif

Not in the US. In the "suburbs" of Paris, where they house the poor in concrete towers, yes.

Suburbs = ghetto?

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/images/smilies/wtf.gif

Yeah, you see this very often in Europe.

its not that barbaric. if you were born with a flapof skin covering your eyes your parents would have it cut off. so it isnt really that bad. Besides its more sanitary.

Well that and the method by which the Romans enforced their control over provinces. They often tied their gods into local gods. Identifying the local chief God and saying that the local god was an aspect of Jupiter. They were also happy to adopt new rituals and practises. Although it did take about 100 years before the majority of the Roman empire was Christian, it is harder to go from a polytheistic to monotheistic culture.

I assume that most polytheists held some diety more central than the others, which would appear to be a slightly monotheistic trait. The difference is that these different "monotheistic religions", i.e., congregations emphasizing the worship of different dieties belonging to one common pantheon, would be dogmatically compatible and thus have no conflicts of beliefs among each other.

Yeah, you see this very often in Europe.

Same with Australia, except no skyscrapers.

Suburbs = ghetto?

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/images/smilies/wtf.gif

Heh naaa the outskirts of a city. Generaly the suburbs are more moneyied than the inner city.

Same with Australia, except no skyscrapers.

i'd be hard-pressed to call them "skyscrapers".

Heh naaa the outskirts of a city. Generaly the suburbs are more moneyied than the inner city.

in Europe it's the other way around.

If it is something you feel strongly about, why not? From what I have seen of this forum there would be quite a few people who would be happy to argue about that topic.



Well it is a possibility.



I disagree. If it is offensive, surely someone other than you wold have commented. It is merely someone who has stated a point of view and others have replied. If you dislike it, then do not read such posts. If it was not ment to offend, it would start " Ihave noticed that there are many religious practises shared between Islam and Judaism including circumsition. is this not strange considering there present emnity? But it does not. It says TO ALL MOSLEMS!

in Europe it's the other way around.

Well, that's pretty awful. You mean something the US has actually done better? :eek:

I didn't say ALL FOODS MUSLIM EAT ARE KOSHER, I said Halal meats and Kosher meats are treated the same way and can be eaten by either group.

Why put words in my post?

Whoa, ... I guess the toneless post didn't convey my agreement... just wanted to point out about the harpoon.

Well, that's pretty awful. You mean something the US has actually done better? :eek:

We warehoused the poor in massive concrete towers in the inner cities, until 1994, when we ended welfare "as we know it".

This dispersion of formerly concentrated poor into dispersed subsidized housing has caused a 65 percent drop in violent crime in the US.

for anyone who cares, I, and almost all of the girls I know, prefer guys who are circumsized. I personally find the lack of circumcision to be a huge turn-off, no matter how attracted to him I was in the first place.

in Europe it's the other way around.

Heh so London is not in Europe? Places like Richmond, are our suburbs, and there is an alwful lot of money there.

for anyone who cares, I, and almost all of the girls I know, prefer guys who are circumsized. I personally find the lack of circumcision to be a huge turn-off, no matter how attracted to him I was in the first place.

Annnd as a circumsied man, I agree, I have witnessed this myself, heh many, many times!:D

To All MUSLIMS: you are practicing a Jewish tradition...To All JEWS and MUSLIMS:I eat BBQ pork ribs, they are delicious, you should try it sometimes.

BTW, Its raining in Denmark. :D

Heh so London is not in Europe? Places like Richmond, are our suburbs, and there is an alwful lot of money there.

Nope, britain is not europe. At least not in my book.

Nope, britain is not europe. At least not in my book.

Ahhhh then may I humbly suggest that you purchase a better book?


Bwhaahahahhahahha!:D

It's something that's commanded to Jews. By doing it, you are following Judaism, not Islam. Just as by believing in Christ as your Lord and Saviour who died for your sins and by praying to him, you are following Christianity, not Islam.

No you're not. You are totally wrong and couldn't be more narrow-minded. Circumcision is used in hundreds of cultures, in particular the middle East. Before Judaism existed, children were circumcised because it was believed to be more hygenic (which it is), Islam derived from roughly the same areas - obviously not precisely, but same locations on a global scale. The locals there believed the same. It then became part of the Jewish faith and never became part of the Muslim rules but it is tradition.

By believing in Christ and that he died for Sins obviously makes you a Christian, but that is a totally different scale. Some Christians give part of their money to the poor because Bible states this (Tithing). Just by me tithing my money to the poor doesn't make me a Christian. Same as having a circumcision doesn't make you Jewish.

You need to shut up, and move on.

No you're not. You are totally wrong and couldn't be more narrow-minded. Circumcision is used in hundreds of cultures, in particular the middle East. Before Judaism existed, children were circumcised because it was believed to be more hygenic (which it is), Islam derived from roughly the same areas - obviously not precisely, but same locations on a global scale. The locals there believed the same. It then became part of the Jewish faith and never became part of the Muslim rules but it is tradition.

By believing in Christ and that he died for Sins obviously makes you a Christian, but that is a totally different scale. Some Christians give part of their money to the poor because Bible states this (Tithing). Just by me tithing my money to the poor doesn't make me a Christian. Same as having a circumcision doesn't make you Jewish.

You need to shut up, and move on.

Ohhh good points! As a first post I'm gonna give it an 8.9

Furthermore, Judaism, Islam and Christianity all believe in the same God. Just they have different views

Jews believe the Messiah is still to come and that Jesus was a prophet who was misunderstood and wrongly executed.

Muslims generally tend to believe Jesus as a prophet, just like Mohammad, but they do not believe Jesus is God's son, they believe Mohammad is the only one who spoke to God/heard from God in the way that he did.

Christians believe in Jesus being the Son of God and believe the Jews have misunderstood why Jesus was sent and are being too naive and literal about their views of the 'Messiah', i.e. coming down from Heaven on chariots of fire etc.

Circumcision is not mentioned in the Qur'an. By circumicising your children, you are practicing a Jewish tradition, in contradiction to Islam. How can you be a true Muslim if you follow the laws of Judaism over the laws os Islam?? http://www.quran.org/khatne.htm

Because Islam, like Christianity, inherited countless practices from Judaism. Christianity also inherited countless practices from pagan faiths that aren't mentioned in either the new or old testament.

for anyone who cares, I, and almost all of the girls I know, prefer guys who are circumsized. I personally find the lack of circumcision to be a huge turn-off, no matter how attracted to him I was in the first place.

I suppose then you'd prefer if all guys had "circumsized" or "not" tattooed on their forehead so that you won't have to find out the hard way? :p

Jews believe the Messiah is still to come and that Jesus was a prophet who was misunderstood and wrongly executed.

Correct, except we do not believe he was a prophet. We believe he was a very nice man who was misunderstood and then wrongly executed.

Furthermore, Judaism, Islam and Christianity all believe in the same God. Just they have different views

Jews believe the Messiah is still to come and that Jesus was a prophet who was misunderstood and wrongly executed.

Muslims generally tend to believe Jesus as a prophet, just like Mohammad, but they do not believe Jesus is God's son, they believe Mohammad is the only one who spoke to God/heard from God in the way that he did.

Christians believe in Jesus being the Son of God and believe the Jews have misunderstood why Jesus was sent and are being too naive and literal about their views of the 'Messiah', i.e. coming down from Heaven on chariots of fire etc.



Ohhh and now your just fishing for pointss, I'm afraid I'll have to ammed your score for that 8.5

Correct, except we do not believe he was a prophet. We believe he was a very nice man who was misunderstood and then wrongly executed.

And we belive that he was not the messiah, but a very naughty boy!

Ahhhh then may I humbly suggest that you purchase a better book?


Bwhaahahahhahahha!:D

I hardlyy find that funny.

Ohhh and now your just fishing for pointss, I'm afraid I'll have to ammed your score for that 8.5

How dare people provide information to us! :mad:

In Islam, the tradition can said to be inherited from Judasiam and from the pact with Abraham God made. While Circumcision isn't mentioned in the Qu'ran it is mentioned in the Hadith or traditions about Muhammad. It is subject to interpretation whether you circumcise your kids or not. Around the world it is usually done as a religious thing or as a hygienic thing. Though the hygiene part is disputed as my urologist says that as long as you shower regularly hygiene shouldn't be an issue.

As a cosmetic reason, it is entirely up to what your partner, be it a man or a woman, wishes to see in your johnson. Getting it done to look better is like getting breast implants, sure your rack is bigger and some like, others are repulsed.

I hardlyy find that funny.

Many Britons do not consider themselves part of Europe, part of the reason they didn't join the Euro and still shun the EU.

I hardlyy find that funny.

Ahhh my humourless freind, that is the thing with humour, like religion it can be a deeply personal thing and what I may laugh at you may indeed cry at.

A great man once said he how can laugh at himself can laugh at anything(okay it was my dad) I make a point of laughing at myself at least once a day.

Okay the truth is, I'll laugh at mostly anything.

How dare people provide information to us! :mad:

In Islam, the tradition can said to be inherited from Judasiam and from the pact with Abraham God made. While Circumcision isn't mentioned in the Qu'ran it is mentioned in the Hadith or traditions about Muhammad. It is subject to interpretation whether you circumcise your kids or not. Around the world it is usually done as a religious thing or as a hygienic thing. Though the hygiene part is disputed as my urologist says that as long as you shower regularly hygiene shouldn't be an issue.

As a cosmetic reason, it is entirely up to what your partner, be it a man or a woman, wishes to see in your johnson. Getting it done to look better is like getting breast implants, sure your rack is bigger and some like, others are repulsed.


Ohh look your face is all red!

Furthermore, Judaism, Islam and Christianity all believe in the same God. Just they have different views
And they call it different things. *nods* You can call your farts flowers and they still stink.

Many Britons do not consider themselves part of Europe, part of the reason they didn't join the Euro and still shun the EU.

But we are still part of the EU. We didn't join the Euro because we want to be able to control our economy through monetary and fiscal policies. With the Euro we couldn't do that and we couldn't control inflation either. But I suppose it is suggested that the Euro will 'cure' inflation.

I'm British, I consider myself as part of Europe.

But we are still part of the EU. We didn't join the Euro because we want to be able to control our economy through monetary and fiscal policies. With the Euro we couldn't do that and we couldn't control inflation either. But I suppose it is suggested that the Euro will 'cure' inflation.

I'm British, I consider myself as part of Europe.

Yep same here.

Circumcision is not mentioned in the Qur'an. By circumicising your children, you are practicing a Jewish tradition, in contradiction to Islam. How can you be a true Muslim if you follow the laws of Judaism over the laws os Islam?? http://www.quran.org/khatne.htm

What an absurd thing to say. Circumcision does not only belong to the Jews; it is widely practiced. I see no shame in admitting that some traditions belong to both religions. The major differences, of course, are that Muslims are not inclined to bulldoze innocent people's homes, wear those ridiculous hats, or make people addicted to cocaine.

Incidentally, just FYI for those between faiths at the moment, the average Muslim man tends to have an ENORMOUS penis. I kid you not.

Don't do it because it's what the jews do? :p Actually, that might be kinda persuasive to some Muslims. Still silly, though.

Jews don't eat pork. Neither do Muslims. WHOOPS! Who'll bring home the bacon first??? :D

religion makes people to stupid things...
I think there are actually health benefits. It's not as relevant today, where medicine is so much better, but in 1000 B.C. being circumcised might have actually been beneficial.

It's something that's commanded to Jews. By doing it, you are following Judaism, not Islam. Just as by believing in Christ as your Lord and Saviour who died for your sins and by praying to him, you are following Christianity, not Islam.

i believe they are also told to go forth and multiply. so should the Muslims stop doing that too. for the love of god or allah stop multiplying

I think there are actually health benefits. It's not as relevant today, where medicine is so much better, but in 1000 B.C. being circumcised might have actually been beneficial.
Only if they didn't wash their dinky-wink.

What an absurd thing to say. Circumcision does not only belong to the Jews; it is widely practiced. I see no shame in admitting that some traditions belong to both religions. The major differences, of course, are that Muslims are not inclined to bulldoze innocent people's homes, wear those ridiculous hats, or make people addicted to cocaine.

Incidentally, just FYI for those between faiths at the moment, the average Muslim man tends to have an ENORMOUS penis. I kid you not.

No, they just fly planes into buildings, killing thousands of people.

Next

...or make people addicted to cocaine.
:confused:

The Great Jewish Cocaine Conspiracy?

:confused:

The Great Jewish Cocaine Conspiracy?

Yes. For each addict, there is an invisible Jew blowing crack into his nose while he's sleeping.

Incidentally, just FYI for those between faiths at the moment, the average Muslim man tends to have an ENORMOUS penis. I kid you not.

:headbang: why would anyone choose a religion based on the size of the penis of other people in that religion. are you trying to get a bunch of insecure middle aged males to become muslims?

uhhhh....more than half of all men in the United States are circumcised.
This is does not make the United States a Jewish state.

This thread is either a joke, or posted by somebody who is borderline retarded.

http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/

And I support circumcision because dick cheese is totally gross.

Circumcision is not mentioned in the Qur'an. By circumicising your children, you are practicing a Jewish tradition, in contradiction to Islam. How can you be a true Muslim if you follow the laws of Judaism over the laws os Islam?? http://www.quran.org/khatne.htm

I can't help but notice you're being pretty selective. Lots of Christians are circumsized, too - but I don't see you hassling them.

:headbang: why would anyone choose a religion based on the size of the penis of other people in that religion. are you trying to get a bunch of insecure middle aged males to become muslims?

Are you merely reading my mind with infidel wizardry, or are you Kurt Vonnegut posting from beyond the grave?

Circumcision is not mentioned in the Qur'an. By circumicising your children, you are practicing a Jewish tradition, in contradiction to Islam. How can you be a true Muslim if you follow the laws of Judaism over the laws os Islam?? http://www.quran.org/khatne.htm

Too bad for you that you forget that Mohammed told his followers that the torah , the psalms, and the injil were to be commended.

We warehoused the poor in massive concrete towers in the inner cities, until 1994, when we ended welfare "as we know it".

This dispersion of formerly concentrated poor into dispersed subsidized housing has caused a 65 percent drop in violent crime in the US.

Here ends the sub-thread on tower blocks. Well done.

To All JEWS and MUSLIMS:I eat BBQ pork ribs, they are delicious, you should try it sometimes.

BTW, Its raining in Denmark. :D

The humour, though, isn't working for you.

uhhhh....more than half of all men in the United States are circumcised.
This is does not make the United States a Jewish state.
*...*
And I support circumcision because dick cheese is totally gross.

Best reason I've heard yet!

Dick cheese seems to work OK to prevent infection and keep the glans soft and sensitive ... but smell-wise yep it's totally gross. :cool:

Are you merely reading my mind with infidel wizardry, or are you Kurt Vonnegut posting from beyond the grave?

So what did you mean, if you think Slaughterhouse five has guessed your intention wrong?

Here was your first try:

What an absurd thing to say. Circumcision does not only belong to the Jews; it is widely practiced. I see no shame in admitting that some traditions belong to both religions.

Most people would agree with this. Nice first paragraph.

The major differences, of course, are that Muslims are not inclined to bulldoze innocent people's homes, wear those ridiculous hats, or make people addicted to cocaine.

Irony I guess. Hard to tell.

Incidentally, just FYI for those between faiths at the moment, the average Muslim man tends to have an ENORMOUS penis. I kid you not.

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The next line would be :

PROFIT

,... oh and I think when people say something about going toe to toe against Motley Crue's Tommy Lee,... I think they're thinking about Arabs. But I maybe wrong,... probably they're talking about penguins.

If penis size could be affected at all by religious faith, it would definitely be in the Bible.

And the Lord made all of the things of Bonah to prosper
To rise up and be plentiful: yea even did his loins grow.

or something like that. Hmm, doesn't seem to be there?

Either this obsession with penis size is a modern thing, or guys had a trace of modesty on the subject back then, or ... religious faith will not change your penis size.