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Are you going to buy one? why ? Why not?

It's only on AT&T, which has shitty coverage in the NYC area. So even if I was inclined to fork over $500 for a phone, I probably wouldn't anyway.

First its this, then the electric shock collars that discharge whenever someone IMs you.

Personally, I feel it is overpriced for my budget. My current ph Motorola MPX 220 is getting old (lol..it is just over an year) and I was thinking of a Blackjack or something else that can get my work emails.

4 GB (?) is a bit too low for iPhone...It is impossible for me to let go of my iPod and use iPhone instead ( I got to cover 4 languages, you see :p)

Can I use a miniSD card with the iPhone? that can give me 2 GB more..

It's only on AT&T, which has shitty coverage in the NYC area. So even if I was inclined to fork over $500 for a phone, I probably wouldn't anyway.

That's the least of my problems. I am already on Cingular and I am mostly in NW (where I live) or the SE (where I work)...and coverage is ok...I mean not great but not bad either.

Can I use a miniSD card with the iPhone? that can give me 2 GB more..

No you can't.

My other problem with the i-Phone is the continued use of the GODDAMN unremovable battery.

Other than that, it has mostly received extremely good reviews. The cost is not too much of an issue if you consider you're getting an i-Pod thrown in.

When they cheapen out and are available in Verizon.

I'd certainly consider it if it were in my price range, because it's a cool looking gadget. I have to say, though, I'm not wild about the move toward the all-in-one gadget--break one and you lose everything--but it is the way the market is moving.

No you can't.

My other problem with the i-Phone is the continued use of the GODDAMN unremovable battery.

yeah..that too...I am thinking of getting one of those universal charger thingies that can hold power for my laptop and other gadgets to get me through long flights.

The cost is not too much of an issue if you consider you're getting an i-Pod thrown in.

it's only 4 Gb storage....:(

i have no use for a phone that does anything more than make phone calls (and text messages)

so no, i wont be buying an iphone

it's only 4 Gb storage....:(

I use something else for video so it's enough for my songs, which I delete after 3 months and load on 10 new albums + latest downloads anyway, otherwise I'm just on shuffle and fast-forwarding each song every 10 seconds.

That's my own peculiar method though so 4GB is easily enough for me.

Nope. Too expensive, even if I needed a cellphone (I really don't).

I personally will not be getting an iPhone any time soon, although later models in the future at more reasonable prices are certainly something I'm hoping to get my hands on.

Here's why I'll be passing the iPhone up this time around. I was reading a magazine that did a rather in-depth article about all the advantages and draw-backs of the iPhone and a few are concerning:

-Extremely slow internet
-Easy to hack/people can steal the info you used to set up your service
-In-freakin'-credibly expensive
-For all its promises it has relatively little storage space

So, in the end I'll be waiting for later models.

I'm not going to even touch one of those things.

"Look! I can't go four fucking minutes without internet, movies, and music!!"

Reasons why I won't buy an iPhone:

-Expensive to purchase: So much so, that if presented with enough cash to purchase an iPhone and a month of service, I'd just go buy an XBOX 360 and a Wii.
-Don't need
-Data service charges
-I'd probably break it
-I'm on Verizon
-I got a new phone in December
-I don't need that kind of functionality out of my phone

I don't think that touch-screen it uses will last a long time knowing how some users are.

Utter, utter waste of money. There are already mobiles phones that kick the shit out of the iPhone.

Utter, utter waste of money. There are already mobiles phones that kick the shit out of the iPhone.

Like the Nokia N series? I want one of those, only have a Nokia 6131 (camera sux on it)

No, because it's an overpriced version of products that have been available for more than five years now, and because, like all Apple products, it's all hype and no substance.

No, because it's an overpriced version of products that have been available for more than five years now, and because, like all Apple products, it's all hype and no substance.

Rubbish - multi-touch is quite new and certainly new for phones.

There's certain bets that Jobs is making, right or wrong.

One is that most cities will, sooner or later, be entirely Wi-Fi, which is far quicker than any network. That, and the fact that AT&T uses the EDGE network, which is GSM standard, and has the widest coverage in the US is the reason for that choice.

Second is that most features aren't used on phones because navigation is poor and the i-Phone has great navigation, much as the i-Pod did despite people calling it 'just another MP3 player'.

In terms of price, it's not a detraction in itself, it's only one for those who can't afford it. Plenty of people can and are lining up for it.

The plastic touch-screen has been thoroughly tested, rolled around in handbags and is pretty sturdy, as much as any phone screen.

It's remarkably thin and has more memory (given no MD ability) than any comparable phone product as well as having better music and some stunning graphics.

The phone in itself doesn't suck, it's simply that it's not for everyone, which has nothing to say about its inherent worth as a phone.

Rubbish - multi-touch is quite new and certainly new for phones.

There's certain bets that Jobs is making, right or wrong.

One is that most cities will, sooner or later, be entirely Wi-Fi, which is far quicker than any network. That, and the fact that AT&T uses the EDGE network, which is GSM standard, and has the widest coverage in the US is the reason for that choice.

Second is that most features aren't used on phones because navigation is poor and the i-Phone has great navigation, much as the i-Pod did despite people calling it 'just another MP3 player'.

In terms of price, it's not a detraction in itself, it's only one for those who can't afford it. Plenty of people can and are lining up for it.

The plastic touch-screen has been thoroughly tested, rolled around in handbags and is pretty sturdy, as much as any phone screen.

It's remarkably thin and has more memory (given no MD ability) than any comparable phone product as well as having better music and some stunning graphics.

The phone in itself doesn't suck, it's simply that it's not for everyone, which has nothing to say about its inherent worth as a phone.

Listen, I can assure you that I know a great deal more about this particular market than you do. I've been seeing things on the level of the iPhone for 5 years. My father worked on these things while the iPod was just a glimmer in Steve Job's reality distortion field. Sure, it's got the MP3 player function, but it isn't worth the extra cost.

Just another Yuppie toy for overly rich twits.

Listen, I can assure you that I know a great deal more about this particular market than you do. I've been seeing things on the level of the iPhone for 5 years. My father worked on these things while the iPod was just a glimmer in Steve Job's reality distortion field. Sure, it's got the MP3 player function, but it isn't worth the extra cost.

Just another Yuppie toy for overly rich twits.

You can assure me nothing.

Multi-touch screens have been around in phones for years? Rubbish.

Wi-Fi enabled phones have been around for years? Rubbish.

In terms of price, it's not a detraction in itself, it's only one for those who can't afford it. Plenty of people can and are lining up for it.



Actually, thanks to the last hysteria driven thread I looked into the other major carriers and their top line phones and accompanying rate plans and it turns out that with the exception of T-Mobile, the extra cost spent on the rate plans amounts to almost the cost of the iPhone itself to way more than the iPhone itself. Without the discount from the service providers most smart phones are around the same price as the iPhone and they more than make up that discount.

The exception was T-Mobile where the phones and rates where cheaper than the iPhone and AT&T.

So in a way the price of the iPhone is a tad more honest. Except for the existence of T-Mobile.

So far the only draw backs I've seen in the reviews is the slow internet from the phone itself and the Edge network (but they said that once on WiFi it sails) and that the keyboard, since it lacks a tactile feel has a bit of a learning curve.

If I could afford a smartphone it would come down hard between something from T-Mobile and the iPhone.

Actually, thanks to the last hysteria driven thread I looked into the other major carriers and their top line phones and accompanying rate plans and it turns out that with the exception of T-Mobile, the extra cost spent on the rate plans amounts to almost the cost of the iPhone itself to way more than the iPhone itself. Without the discount from the service providers most smart phones are around the same price as the iPhone and they more than make up that discount.

The exception was T-Mobile where the phones and rates where cheaper than the iPhone and AT&T.

So in a way the price of the iPhone is a tad more honest. Except for the existence of T-Mobile.

So far the only draw backs I've seen in the reviews is the slow internet from the phone itself and the Edge network (but they said that once on WiFi it sails) and that the keyboard, since it lacks a tactile feel has a bit of a learning curve.

If I could afford a smartphone it would come down hard between something from T-Mobile and the iPhone.

Another annoyance is the fact that punctuation for sms requires popping out from writing apparently.

The fact is that it's not simply that Apple have brought out a completely ordinary phone and jacked up the price on brand alone despite what people think.

I personally won't buy it as my SE is as much as I need - but from a technology standpoint I'd love to play around with it.

Alas I don't live in the US so that might be a while.

Wow, I just saw an ad for for T-Mobile hotspot at home, if you have a wifi thingy at home your t-mobile phone works as your home phone instead of burning minutes.

Really kinda wish that the iPhone had the exclusive with T-Mobile now, I'm on month to month, it ain't that hard for me to switch...

You can assure me nothing.

Multi-touch screens have been around in phones for years? Rubbish.

Wi-Fi enabled phones have been around for years? Rubbish.

Wi Fi phones? My father worked on them for fuck's sake. I saw them.

Wi Fi phones? My father worked on them for fuck's sake. I saw them.

What's your point?

There's a difference between being in development and having a commercially viable phone you know.

The technology simply wasn't there 5 years ago to have in-built wi-fi technology inside phones, especially one as slim as the i-Phone and absolutely not for a price that would bring it to market. There were Wi-Fi phones around in 2004 at the earliest.

If you can point out specific reasons why the i-Phone is overpriced in terms of comparable phones on the market then please do so.

I can't afford it, and I prefer Treos.

Are you going to buy one? why ? Why not?

Are you kidding? Do I look like a millionaire???

No you can't.

My other problem with the i-Phone is the continued use of the GODDAMN unremovable battery.

Other than that, it has mostly received extremely good reviews. The cost is not too much of an issue if you consider you're getting an i-Pod thrown in.

Meh. I've got a phone that didn't cost me anything, in fact my provider gave me more in call credit than what I actually paid when I bought the phone (80 Euro phone, and I got 90 Euro call credit).
And I've got an mp3 player that cost me 40 Euros.

So tell me again how an iphone is better value?

Touchscreens for the fail. Everyone's going to be returning theirs in a month when they don't work anymore.

iPhone is made of fail -- and this is a Mac user talk-- er...typing.

It does a whole bunch of things, but none of them well and none of them with real speed or storage capacity. In the rush to get SOMEthing out, Apple has pulled the trigger too soon. Linking with one signal provider was a bad call, too. And only "some" videos from You Tube? Did I miss a meeting? Is You Tube really all that critical a service...and to only have a limited selection?

This has all the feel of the Apple Newton aaaallll over again. I won't say "dump the stock", but it's going to be unpleasant for a year or two.

Go back to making superior (and overpriced) computers and the iPod, Steve -- the iPhone is a flashy accessory, and very little more.

i have no use for a phone that does anything more than make phone calls (and text messages)

so no, i wont be buying an iphone

A-bleeding-men. Thank you.

Are you going to buy one? why ? Why not?

no, I don't need it, I don't want it and I can do better stuff with my money.

Personally, I feel it is overpriced for my budget. My current ph Motorola MPX 220 is getting old (lol..it is just over an year) and I was thinking of a Blackjack or something else that can get my work emails.

4 GB (?) is a bit too low for iPhone...It is impossible for me to let go of my iPod and use iPhone instead ( I got to cover 4 languages, you see :p)

Can I use a miniSD card with the iPhone? that can give me 2 GB more..Overpriced? Aren't you one of NSG's lawyers? Surely money shouldn't really be an issue for you...

Overpriced? Aren't you one of NSG's lawyers? Surely money shouldn't really be an issue for you...

Even if it's not an issue it doesn't mean that you'll want to waste your money...

http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_htctouch.htm
And Apple can go to hell. To think I ever admired the company and the people!
:upyours:

I wait for the KDE group to release the kPhone. I am sure they'd have a bittorrent client in it.

iPhone is made of fail -- and this is a Mac user talk-- er...typing.

It does a whole bunch of things, but none of them well and none of them with real speed or storage capacity. In the rush to get SOMEthing out, Apple has pulled the trigger too soon. Linking with one signal provider was a bad call, too. And only "some" videos from You Tube? Did I miss a meeting? Is You Tube really all that critical a service...and to only have a limited selection?

This has all the feel of the Apple Newton aaaallll over again. I won't say "dump the stock", but it's going to be unpleasant for a year or two.

Go back to making superior (and overpriced) computers and the iPod, Steve -- the iPhone is a flashy accessory, and very little more.
And yet being at the same price as the PS3, it is going to outsell the PS3 before Monday then Apple is going to release an updates version with more memory and some other critical features they left out that make it suck ass in a few months than everyone idiot who bought this one and some more will buy that one. They did this shit with the first iPods.

Two things would have to happen

1) It would have to have the featureset that I want (It currently does not)
2) It will have to drop in price

I already have an iPod video.
I already have a phone.

I am not a total slave to marketing -- why would I want a $500 phone?

No. I don't need a mobile phone, and the iPone costs way too much for one.

I wait for the KDE group to release the kPhone. I am sure they'd have a bittorrent client in it.

What exactly is this kPhone?

Overpriced? Aren't you one of NSG's lawyers? Surely money shouldn't really be an issue for you...

Just because one may make a lot of money (and not all lawyers do, btw) it doesn't mean people throw money away.

What exactly is this kPhone?
a joke. Like Apple starts every product with an i, KDE (http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE) starts every program with a k.

Actually, there's mods for Nokia phones to make the interface look like iPhones out there :p

Actually, there's mods for Nokia phones to make the interface look like iPhones out there :p
Which is stupid because the interface is for the fact it is a touch screen..

No.
My last phone was stolen at a pub...If it had been somesort of a media center with built in orgasmatron and whatchamacallits and not a cracked old nokia, I'd have been terribly pissed off.

Which is stupid because the interface is for the fact it is a touch screen..

Yeah I know, but looks are everything in the Apple world. The mod just changed the icons and stuff so you still needed your keypad.

No.
My last phone was stolen at a pub...If it had been somesort of a media center with built in orgasmatron and whatchamacallits and not a cracked old nokia, I'd have been terribly pissed off.
And if it had costed $500-$600. It is like going and buying a tricked out Playstation 3 then leaving it out in your front yard at night.. in the projects.

Just because one may make a lot of money (and not all lawyers do, btw) it doesn't mean people throw money away.

Even if it's not an issue it doesn't mean that you'll want to waste your money...Yes, I understand that not all people are extravagant with their money. It's just Aryavartha's main objection seemed to be that it cost too much money. With it's lack of memory being a secondary concern.

Yes, I understand that not all people are extravagant with their money. It's just Aryavartha's main objection seemed to be that it cost too much money. With it's lack of memory being a secondary concern.

If I bought a brand new phone for $500 to $600 (US) and found it only had 4Gb of memory, I'd be disappointed considering some Nokias N series have 8Gb.

Just because one may make a lot of money (and not all lawyers do, btw) it doesn't mean people throw money away.

btw, people neither get rich nor stay rich by throwing away money.

something need not be expensive to be over-priced either, it only needs a price that exceeds the value.

as for me, no, I will not buy an iPhone, my current cell phone is so old people make fun of it, but there is a reason that I have the old phone, I don't need the rest of that stuff and if this one gets lost/stolen/dropped in the potty I won't care.

Smunkee's phone

http://www.topmarket.co.il/products_pictures/image/1100_mainpage_s1-nokia.jpg

Smunkee's phone

http://www.topmarket.co.il/products_pictures/image/1100_mainpage_s1-nokia.jpg

I've got two phones with the same features like that phone ... I don't use them anymore (bad batteries).

Like a typical apple product, its got no revolutionary features it just charges more for existing technology.

Apple sucks and I'd never support them.

A lot of people bought sucky phones then.

Apple does it again by outperforming expectations. I read they expected to sell 200,000 phones on iDay, but sold at least 312,000, with over $172,000,000 in revenue. Not a bad day, at all.

That's why I own AAPL (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=Aapl).

When they cheapen out and are available in Verizon.

won't happen...

www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/03/stingy_att_iphone_network_snafu/

Stingy AT&T spoiled the iPhone party
Why the Jesus phone couldn't perform miracles
By Andrew Orlowski → More by this author
Published Tuesday 3rd July 2007 13:34 GMT
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Much of the urban United States has enjoyed indoor toilets for some years now, and - Hallelujah! - thanks to Apple, it finally has a modern mobile phone, too.

Welcome USA, seriously.

While Apple shifted over 500,000 iPhones this weekend, its partner AT&T didn't keep its part of the bargain. And that's because it couldn't, a research note by DKIB today suggests.

Data congestion left the mobile operator red-faced, and buyers fuming. Because most of AT&T's network uses an ancient, time sharing 2.5G technology - placing the USA on a par with Cambodia and Sierra Leone - the data congestion impacted voice callers, too.

(Apple decided against supporting the thoroughly modern 3G CDMA networks used by Sprint PCS and Verizon. Contrast this with the much smaller Palm, which managed to launch its Treo 650 in 3G CDMA and EDGE versions.)

Absolving Apple of this odd decision to cripple the iPhone, DKIB instead gives AT&T a brisk slap.

"AT&T has spent next to nothing on its GSM/EDGE network in the past nine months," notes DKIB analyst Pers Lindberg, who points out that in Q1, AT&T's capital expenditure for wireless was around $500m, a tenth of its fiscal year budget of $5bn.

Two years ago, one equipment vendor told your reporter that AT&T (then Cingular) was buying 3G kit purely for bragging rights: it was acquired to flesh out the company's press releases, rather than be seriously deployed. Now the pigeons have come home to roost, says DKIB:

"Operational issues and their effect on the company's brand image should feature prominently in the next board meeting. The directional change should be clearcut."

DKIB noted that iPhone problems were nationwide. AT&T has invested in a 3G network from Ericsson, but coverage is extremely patchy so far.

The analysts also reckon that whoever lands the iPhone contract in Europe should be prepared for "a sea-change" in data usage.

Well, maybe.

Given that we only have a weekend's evidence, the novelty may quickly wear off, as it has with so many mobile gimmicks. Users who have acquired phones with picture messaging and video calling also hammered the features for a few days, but rarely used them again.

We see a rather different picture. Europe's 3G networks have capacity to spare. The problem is that they're all dressed up with nowhere to go. Apple should note, however, that 3G has all but killed the Wi-Fi business in the UK, and it's imperative it kits out the European iPhone with something that isn't two generations behind. It can't hope to sell the iPhone on hype alone.

Indoor toilets are miraculous, but you take them for granted after a while. ®

Is it even 3G... or is it 2G?

I dunno much about cellphones, I just trust Motorola because they're an old brand name, not to mention to first one to market cellphones.

... and I'm a little afraid of the cult like mentality of the Apple people.

Is it even 3G... or is it 2G?

I dunno much about cellphones, I just trust Motorola because they're an old brand name, not to mention to first one to market cellphones.

... and I'm a little afraid of the cult like mentality of the Apple people.

Worse.

2.5

:headbang:

By European standards, it is woefully inadequate at most prices, especially the one it has. Its camera is pathetically outdated, it doesn't have MMS (!!!), it's not expandable with memory cards (!!!), it lacks GPS, it has no voice recognition or dialling, no video recording (!!!), no A2DP (!!!)... it isn't even basic 3G, for crying out loud, let alone HSDPA!

It's really overpriced and underfeatured for a modern mobile phone. It is basically obsolete already.

I could get a PS3 and two games a month for the same cost, so hell no.

What's your point?

There's a difference between being in development and having a commercially viable phone you know.

The technology simply wasn't there 5 years ago to have in-built wi-fi technology inside phones, especially one as slim as the i-Phone and absolutely not for a price that would bring it to market. There were Wi-Fi phones around in 2004 at the earliest.

If you can point out specific reasons why the i-Phone is overpriced in terms of comparable phones on the market then please do so.

I've been using an HTC 2020 with Wi-Fi SDIO card for about 3 years now...
Changing that soon for the new HTC product (extreme 7400 or something like that) 20Gb and connectivity to almost any kind of network...

No, i don't need the i-phone.

BTW I'm writing this on my 2020

http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_htctouch.htm
And Apple can go to hell. To think I ever admired the company and the people!
:upyours:

LOL!!!!
Talk about brand fidelity...

Usually when I see the HTC catalog I drool...

By European standards, it is woefully inadequate at most prices, especially the one it has. Its camera is pathetically outdated, it doesn't have MMS (!!!), it's not expandable with memory cards (!!!), it lacks GPS, it has no voice recognition or dialling, no video recording (!!!), no A2DP (!!!)... it isn't even basic 3G, for crying out loud, let alone HSDPA!

It's really overpriced and underfeatured for a modern mobile phone. It is basically obsolete already.

But Fass, they are making me rich. Well maybe just a little more financially independent.

And you may know what P.T. Barnum said about fools...if these phones are so bad, then a half million of them lined up on iDay to prove it. I figure most of the shortcomings are software tweaks or second-generation fixes. Only the very brave, very rich, or very foolish buy the first article.

Well my boss got his hands on one ... It went back the next day and he cancled his new subscription as well

He got signal in roughly 20 percent of the city, his home work and commute were not among that 20 percent

The free phone they give you with a new plan got better signal then that POS

Edit: Same with two other people that work with him ... I dont know them as well so just heard about thoes through him either way one switched back to an MDA (caught him in the hallway))

Are you going to buy one? why ? Why not?

nope. I want a phone that I can use to call people with. I don't want a phone where if I should need to use it, I can't because I drained the battery playing Youtube videos, listening to MP3's, or surfing the web.

Nah, I heard this (http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html) was better anyways.

http://www.openmoko.com/pixels/FIC-neo1973.png

nope. I want a phone that I can use to call people with. I don't want a phone where if I should need to use it, I can't because I drained the battery playing Youtube videos, listening to MP3's, or surfing the web.
Bingo. Apparently Apple was making a PDA and was like "hell, let's stick a phone on here for giggles and sell it to the huge cellphone market." Best god damn marketing decision ever. The PDA is considered the nerdy market and even much of the geek populace doesn't get in on it, but damn, they make up a new cellphone with more bells and whistles on it every week. And no one is going to question the PDA/home game console price of the iPhone because of so many bells and whistles and because it is Apple. So they sell nearly a million of the damn things in 3 days and laugh all the way to the bank.

Bingo. Apparently Apple was making a PDA and was like "hell, let's stick a phone on here for giggles and sell it to the huge cellphone market." Best god damn marketing decision ever. The PDA is considered the nerdy market and even much of the geek populace doesn't get in on it, but damn, they make up a new cellphone with more bells and whistles on it every week. And no one is going to question the PDA/home game console price of the iPhone because of so many bells and whistles and because it is Apple. So they sell nearly a million of the damn things in 3 days and laugh all the way to the bank.

...sell a million at nearly double the cost of production, no less.

Why should I buy some horribly priced gadget when it can't even play my Bridge Over Troubled Water casette?

Bingo. Apparently Apple was making a PDA and was like "hell, let's stick a phone on here for giggles and sell it to the huge cellphone market." Best god damn marketing decision ever. The PDA is considered the nerdy market and even much of the geek populace doesn't get in on it, but damn, they make up a new cellphone with more bells and whistles on it every week. And no one is going to question the PDA/home game console price of the iPhone because of so many bells and whistles and because it is Apple. So they sell nearly a million of the damn things in 3 days and laugh all the way to the bank.

add to that the fact that there are those who only paid for the iPhone to sell on E-bay...

...sell a million at nearly double the cost of production, no less.
And $80 every time the battery dies.

And $80 every time the battery dies.

Almost enough to make one wish they'd invested in Apple.

Almost.

Super-glue an iPod nano to the back of a Treo or somthing a voila! Your own iPhone! Anyway, i would prefer the new OpenMoko phone cause it's open source. Steve Jobs can go iScrewHimself.

Almost enough to make one wish they'd invested in Apple.

Almost.
You don't understand the reasons behind investing, do you?

I bought AAPL when it was down in the low teens. I saw plenty of potential, but bad execution. Jobs improved the execution and has helped pay for my kids to go to college, plus left plenty for a nice little retirement nest egg.

Almost enough to make one wish they'd invested in Apple.

Almost.

I would have invested in Apple, wouldn't have ever bought a god damn thing those blood suckers sell, but I would have invested.

I do not own a thing that apple sells, and am real glad. Concerning the iphone, somthing with that many features would just confuse the heck out of me! I would have no idea what I was doing! I hate technology....:headbang:

What I really wish I would have invested in was Google.

What I really wish I would have invested in was Google.

don't we all...

don't we all...
Cept for that one guy that did who now probably lives in a huge ass mansion.

Wasn't Google already a big ass deal and a sure bet stock by the time they went public, so much so that they had to have a 'raffle' to determine who could buy stock?

Wasn't Google already a big ass deal and a sure bet stock by the time they went public, so much so that they had to have a 'raffle' to determine who could buy stock?

It was $85 per share at IPO. It's now around $550 per share. That would have been a good buy, even after the IPO.

I want to say never, but I'm not big on saying never...

It's unlikely though. Not becasue I'm like rabid anti-apple products or anything, it's more that I don't really want to get a cellphone until the service plans get cheaper around here and I certainly wouldn't drop that much money on a cellphone.

But if the price on that particular phone were to drop a lot and the service became awesome, then maybe.

It was $85 per share at IPO. It's now around $550 per share. That would have been a good buy, even after the IPO.

Yeah, but my point is, who didn't know that was going to happen? It's not like, "I invested in this thing called 'Amazon,' I thought maybe it was for the rain forest but it turns out they sell books."

I can find better things to do with $600 and I also have better things to do than attach myself to my phone. I also find that people tend to drive alot better when they're using their vehicle for what it should be used as.. transportation from point A to point B, not a shuttle for their phones, iPods, laptops, etc.... :headbang: Gotta love those people who complain about how poor they are yet they walk around with phones that cost an ungodly amount of money..... bleargh

The iPhone is pretty tight. Most people went and stood in long lines if they wanted one. However, some people were smart like me. I knew that the apple store would be open until midnight trying to accomadate the rush. They would also recieve more phones than the AT&T stores. So, I went to the apple store at 11:30, and what do you know! No line, and I got my iPhone! And coverage is perfect where I live, so...

The iPhone is pretty tight. Most people went and stood in long lines if they wanted one. However, some people were smart like me. I knew that the apple store would be open until midnight trying to accomadate the rush. They would also recieve more phones than the AT&T stores. So, I went to the apple store at 11:30, and what do you know! No line, and I got my iPhone! And coverage is perfect where I live, so...

What I dont get is why they sold them in a town that has next to no coverage apparently (though all there other phones are fine)

What I dont get is why they sold them in a town that has next to no coverage apparently (though all there other phones are fine)

You mean regular cell-phone coverage or EDGE coverage?

Yeah, but my point is, who didn't know that was going to happen? It's not like, "I invested in this thing called 'Amazon,' I thought maybe it was for the rain forest but it turns out they sell books."

Being able to buy big name companies like Google, Amazon, eBay and others at IPO has always seemed like a lottery. I don't know if there's any method to the way people are allotted shares in the buy, but it seems pretty random.

From my personal experience, I've found that buying immediately on the day of the IPO -- as in the case of Krispy Kreme -- still allows you to make a bundle. You might have had to pay $100 per share for Google, but as you said, it was as close to a sure thing as you can get in the stock market.

The exception was T-Mobile where the phones and rates where cheaper than the iPhone and AT&T.Being affordable has always been T-Mobile's "thing," even back to when they were (in the United States) Voicestream.

They tend not to get the most exciting, glamorous phones that cause media hype, but I think in the long run their market strategy (keep things cheap, push the network) may ultimately pay off better than the gimmicky phones and features offered on other plans (which they nevertheless match to some extent, at least).

So far the only draw backs I've seen in the reviews is the slow internet from the phone itself and the Edge network (but they said that once on WiFi it sails) and that the keyboard, since it lacks a tactile feel has a bit of a learning curve.I've read this too.

I've also read that the call quality is rather poor, and it loses the phone function when you dock it with speakers--kind of a serious drawback, when you think about it. If I'm really going to use it as an mp3 player, I'm going to want to hook it up to my stereo--especially in my car. But apparently, if I do that I won't be able to take calls.

If I could afford a smartphone it would come down hard between something from T-Mobile and the iPhone.I'll stick with T-Mobile, for now at least.

Then again, somehow the fact that I never gave up my employee rate plan when I quit has flown under the radar for five years now... and it would be difficult indeed for me to give up two thousand minutes for $9.99/month!