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Hey guys. I AM BACK... and I have a poll. Ok this poll is on the Iraq War. Let me think of the poll first. It may take a while to finish the poll. This isn't a spam... it just takes me a while to make the poll. Anyway the poll will be up in a few minutes. So please be patient.

welcome back...


we've missed you so much?

where at war with Iraq!?!

Lol, the war in Iraq is over, so I dare say that staying in it would be a bad idea.

Absolutely. Til it's won. We need the oil. Period.

We should pull out and the go back.

I realize that Iraq is like having sex, you want to pull out before you make a big mistake, but then you should go back and fuck it(up) again.

Staying there as in keeping status quo? No way. Staying there implementing a new and more effective strategy? Sure!

We (Danish) are pulling out in a few weeks, and the army-guys are warning that the Iraqi authorities are unable to take care of the situation as it is now. I'm not saying that the army-guys should be the ones deciding, but they are the ones who have a first hand impression of what is going on down there.

The ratio of the degree and speed of improvement to the number of casualities, both civilian and military, is simply not acceptable.

take it from someone that has been there for 4 tours now. it's a flippin civil war right now. we should pull out and let them take care of their own $hit.

BTW it's not about the oil

take it from someone that has been there for 4 tours now. it's a flippin civil war right now. we should pull out and let them take care of their own $hit.

BTW it's not about the oil

And the US's involvement in WWI wasn't about the possible loss of their investment. :rolleyes:

(OK, maybe this isn't for oil. But then what the hell else could it be for? Sure isn't for protecting freedom...)

take it from someone that has been there for 4 tours now. it's a flippin civil war right now. we should pull out and let them take care of their own $hit.

BTW it's not about the oil

Oh, so what is it about this week? WMDs? Saving the poor Iraqi people?

take it from someone that has been there for 4 tours now. it's a flippin civil war right now. we should pull out and let them take care of their own $hit.

BTW it's not about the oil

Its totally about the oil. Lets see.... Afghanistan harbours terrorists who fly planes into buildings. Lets go mop em up. While we're at it lets take out Iraq, even though none of said terrorists were from there. Once we have "mission acomplished" we can secure the oil fields. Who cares about national art treasures and whatnot. Christ they dont even need water. Lets make sure those oilfields are secure. Question for you. Was your unit ever involved in securing an oil installation?

(OK, maybe this isn't for oil. But then what the hell IS it for?)

I can't really say the invasion was for anything but currently we have a nation that needs peacekeeping, running off and saying "oh well, not are responsibility" when we caused the situation is considerably worse than invading an iron fisted regime randomly

take it from someone that has been there for 4 tours now. it's a flippin civil war right now. we should pull out and let them take care of their own $hit.

BTW it's not about the oil

everything we do in the middle east is about oil.

take it from someone that has been there for 4 tours now. it's a flippin civil war right now. we should pull out and let them take care of their own $hit.


I would be more than glad to take that from a person like that! Do you happen to know anybody like that?

everything we do in the middle east is about oil.

except for israel, which is about ushering in the end times, so that all those naughty unbelievers get to burn in hell faster.:rolleyes:

everything we do in the middle east is about oil.

Israel? Turkey?

They should of course withdraw. Surrendering and converting to Islam would also be a step in the right direction.

They should of course withdraw. Surrendering and converting to Islam would also be a step in the right direction.

You mean "revert" right? :p

They should of course withdraw. Surrendering and converting to Islam would also be a step in the right direction.

would you be content Soviestan if we carried the men and women off and slowly bred into whatever perversion of Islam you may have?

We should establish a few strategic bases. Fortify them and sequester ourselves from Iraq. Offer asylum to any of the present government's allies who ask. Gleefully shoot anyone who approaches without express authorization. Let the rest of the Iraqis shoot the shit out of each other. Let the Saudi's and the IRanians help them. When the dust settles we'll still have our bases. Then we'll decided if we want to be friendly to the survivors.

We should establish a few strategic bases. Fortify them and sequester ourselves from Iraq. Offer asylum to any of the present government's allies who ask. Gleefully shoot anyone who approaches without express authorization. Let the rest of the Iraqis shoot the shit out of each other. Let the Saudi's and the IRanians help them. When the dust settles we'll still have our bases. Then we'll decided if we want to be friendly to the survivors.

Now your talkin bro

Absolutely. Til it's won. We need the oil. Period.

You are soo right. I absolutely LOVE the fucking Iraq oil that's in my car RIGHT NOW!! It is fucking spectacular! It is soo fucking cheap right now too! Damn I can't imagine what it would cost right now without all that cheap lovely Iraqi black gold! It is like having 200 Texases run by camel-jockies! Gawd I love being Merican! You'd have to be quite gullible to belive that this war is about anything but putting sweet liquid black gold into my Chevy's carburator! So far so good! W00T!

You are soo right. I absolutely LOVE the fucking Iraq oil that's in my car RIGHT NOW!! It is fucking spectacular! It is soo fucking cheap right now too! Damn I can't imagine what it would cost right now without all that cheap lovely Iraqi black gold! It is like having 200 Texases run by camel-jockies! Gawd I love being Merican! You'd have to be quite gullible to belive that this war is about anything but putting sweet liquid black gold into my Chevy's carburator! So far so good! W00T!

well said

except for israel, which is about ushering in the end times, so that all those naughty unbelievers get to burn in hell faster.:rolleyes:

Israel? Turkey?

yes.

even if there are other motives involved. (stupid fundamentalist nutcases)

well said
noob you realize that everything he said was incorrect and a joke

Its totally about the oil. Lets see.... Afghanistan harbours terrorists who fly planes into buildings. Lets go mop em up. While we're at it lets take out Iraq, even though none of said terrorists were from there. Once we have "mission acomplished" we can secure the oil fields. Who cares about national art treasures and whatnot. Christ they dont even need water. Lets make sure those oilfields are secure. Question for you. Was your unit ever involved in securing an oil installation?

WTF are you talking about? Wow you know absolutely NOTHING about shit going on over there do you.

1. The people there love us (the insurgents hate us)
2. They have running water they had it 2 months after we had Boots on the ground
3. We rounded up all the art and museum items and they are currently on display in Baghdad at the Iraqi Museum
4. 99% of the Insurgents in Iraq are not from Iraq but from other neighboring countries.
5. the Terrorists were (and still are) getting arms from Iraq, Syria, Iran, and a few other places.

Did my Company ever secure an Oil Field? Nope never, we secured Fallujah, Babylon, Mosul, Tikrit, Ramadi, Basra, Baghdad and a bunch of other small towns.

Did my unit secure an Oil Field in Kuwait? Yes, in Persian Gulf War I did but that was because the enemy was blowing them up.


Quick question for ya:
Were you there? Did you see what all the troops saw or did you just see what they media showed and or told you?

When it comes to Iraq the media is full of $hit on about 80% of the things going on over there.

Another Question: which sells more news papers?
1. telling a story about flowers and bunnies and puppy dogs
2. telling a story about death and mayhem

Yes #2 will sell more than #1. It’s all about the ratings brother.


Read:
WHY WAR WITH IRAQ IS NOT ABOUT THE OIL (http://home.uchicago.edu/~gbecker/Businessweek/BW/2003/03_17_2003.pdf)


Also you can read almost any link from here as well Google Search:
Iraq is not about Oil (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=jlh&q=Iraq+not+about+oil&btnG=Search)

In light of political considerations, and in light of rising gas prices, I wanted to know where the US got its oil. These are the top five countries who export oil to the US. These countries provide 89% of all US oil imports, both crude and petroleum.

The top sources of US crude oil imports for May 2007 were
1. Canada (1.909 million barrels per day)
2. Mexico (1.460 million barrels per day)
3. Saudi Arabia (1.458 million barrels per day)
4. Venezuela (1.182 million barrels per day)
5. Nigeria (0.891 million barrels per day).

I can provide a link if you wish, I got my information from Energy Information Administration - EIA - Official Energy Statistics from the U.S. Government

Figures when a rebuttal with actual facts are presented I don't get a reply back

:eek::sniper:

what did you rebut?

if you link to something, its more correct to use it to make your own case.

so when you like to a "why its not about oil" site, say what about the site you found convincing or how it supports your opinion. a few short quotes are nice too.

WTF are you talking about? Wow you know absolutely NOTHING about shit going on over there do you.

1. The people there love us (the insurgents hate us)
Source?
2. They have running water they had it 2 months after we had Boots on the ground
Source?
3. We rounded up all the art and museum items and they are currently on display in Baghdad at the Iraqi Museum
Source?
4. 99% of the Insurgents in Iraq are not from Iraq but from other neighboring countries.
Source?
5. the Terrorists were (and still are) getting arms from Iraq, Syria, Iran, and a few other places.
Source?

Quick question for ya:
Were you there? Did you see what all the troops saw or did you just see what they media showed and or told you?
Did you? Did you see absolutely everything there is to see? Are you drawing your opinions from the big picture, or the corner that you saw?

Another Question: which sells more news papers?
1. telling a story about flowers and bunnies and puppy dogs
2. telling a story about death and mayhem

Yes #2 will sell more than #1. It’s all about the ratings brother.
Which is better for your reputation?
1. Publishing facts
2. Publishing lies

As you say, it's all about ratings, and nobody will watch the news show that lies to them.

Read:
WHY WAR WITH IRAQ IS NOT ABOUT THE OIL (http://home.uchicago.edu/~gbecker/Businessweek/BW/2003/03_17_2003.pdf)


Also you can read almost any link from here as well Google Search:
Iraq is not about Oil (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=jlh&q=Iraq+not+about+oil&btnG=Search)
So what was the war about?
Figures when a rebuttal with actual facts are presented I don't get a reply back

:eek::sniper:

We do have lives you know, and there are other websites.


Also, don't use the gun smilies, it makes you look like a noob.

WTF are you talking about? Wow you know absolutely NOTHING about shit going on over there do you.

1. The people there love us (the insurgents hate us)
2. They have running water they had it 2 months after we had Boots on the ground
3. We rounded up all the art and museum items and they are currently on display in Baghdad at the Iraqi Museum
4. 99% of the Insurgents in Iraq are not from Iraq but from other neighboring countries.
5. the Terrorists were (and still are) getting arms from Iraq, Syria, Iran, and a few other places.
You must be a fricken troll with the nonsense you wrote above. :p

Did my Company ever secure an Oil Field? Nope never, we secured Fallujah, Babylon, Mosul, Tikrit, Ramadi, Basra, Baghdad and a bunch of other small towns.
Boy your company sure was one busy lot? Are any of these places "secured" today?

Did my unit secure an Oil Field in Kuwait? Yes, in Persian Gulf War I did but that was because the enemy was blowing them up.
I think you are making up shit!! :p

Quick question for ya:
Were you there? Did you see what all the troops saw or did you just see what they media showed and or told you?
IF you were there, you were blindfolded?

When it comes to Iraq the media is full of $hit on about 80% of the things going on over there.
I guess over 3,500 troops haven't died trying to "secure" Iraq?

Another Question: which sells more news papers?
1. telling a story about flowers and bunnies and puppy dogs
2. telling a story about death and mayhem

Yes #2 will sell more than #1. It’s all about the ratings brother.
And what BS are you trying to sell us?

Read:
WHY WAR WITH IRAQ IS NOT ABOUT THE OIL (http://home.uchicago.edu/~gbecker/Businessweek/BW/2003/03_17_2003.pdf)
I did read the story and found it to be a hoot, especially this part:

Moreover, in the event of a war, oil is likely to remain below $50 a barrel since much of the war premium has already been priced in. Also, other producers could be expected to expand output to take advantage of the higher prices, and America should use some of its strategic oil reserves to get more oil into the marketplace.

The developed economies are also considerably less dependent on oil today than after previous oil price shocks—when OPEC was formed in the 1970s and when Iraq attacked Iran in the 1980s. These economies have learned to economize on oil and other fossil fuels by developing new technologies, including more efficient automobiles and airplanes.
Right on the money huh? :rolleyes:

what did you rebut?

if you link to something, its more correct to use it to make your own case.

so when you like to a "why its not about oil" site, say what about the site you found convincing or how it supports your opinion. a few short quotes are nice too.
You tell'em Ash!! :D

Source?

Source?

Source?

Source?

Source?
Another sourceless wonder?


Did you? Did you see absolutely everything there is to see? Are you drawing your opinions from the big picture, or the corner that you saw?
He is making shit up?

So what was the war about?
Operation
Iraqi
Liberation

Also, don't use the gun smilies, it makes you look like a noob.
Natasem = Mesatan in the mirror.....satan likes gun smilies?

America should pull out. There's no reason to be there. Saddam is dead. If they are going to stay until the sunni-shiite conflict ends, it might take a century.

Unless they are there for the oil, which might be quite likely.

You are soo right. I absolutely LOVE the fucking Iraq oil that's in my car RIGHT NOW!! It is fucking spectacular! It is soo fucking cheap right now too!


Your belief in strategic control of oil leading to cheap oil is naive at best, darwin awards stupid at worst. You live in a capitalist economy, and you somehow think that translates to cheap goods in monopoly type businesses.

When the flow of oil is controlled, what better way to make profit than by squeezing the tap, and raising prices? And since you control the source, who's going to undercut you hmm?

Come back when you've attended economics 101. Look under monopoly. And maybe long term resource control.

Oh, so what is it about this week? WMDs? Saving the poor Iraqi people?
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Let's face it: oil might have helped get a bit of extra support, but the idea had more to do with ideology than with money. Anyone who insists this is about "blood for oil" is just making their own side look a little silly.

EDIT: Also: damn! I voted the wrong way...-1 for "Yes", +1 for "No"

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Let's face it: oil might have helped get a bit of extra support, but the idea had more to do with ideology than with money. Anyone who insists this is about "blood for oil" is just making their own side look a little silly.

EDIT: Also: damn! I voted the wrong way...-1 for "Yes", +1 for "No"

Oh, I'm not saying there were no other reasons. Like creating a second front to threaten the other Middle East states. Or fulfilling stupid agendas.

But oil figured a good part of it. Otherwise, any other nation could have sufficed for the whole agenda thing. It's not like the average American is smart enough to figure out the difference between oh, say, Iraq and Dubai.

You are soo right. I absolutely LOVE the fucking Iraq oil that's in my car RIGHT NOW!! It is fucking spectacular! It is soo fucking cheap right now too! Damn I can't imagine what it would cost right now without all that cheap lovely Iraqi black gold! It is like having 200 Texases run by camel-jockies! Gawd I love being Merican! You'd have to be quite gullible to belive that this war is about anything but putting sweet liquid black gold into my Chevy's carburator! So far so good! W00T!

Sarcasm reaches new levels of subtelty I hope....

We need to stay until the job is done. Withdrawing will be much worse for the Iraqis than sticking it out.

It's hard work. It's dangerous, dirty work. And like it or not, it's our work until Iraq is stable.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Let's face it: oil might have helped get a bit of extra support, but the idea had more to do with ideology than with money.
I don't think that quoting from the PNAC doctrine actually bolsters your argument.

Anyone who insists this is about "blood for oil" is just making their own side look a little silly.

oil = lifeblood US economy

http://www.google.ca/search?q=iraq+war+for+oil&hl=en&start=0&sa=N

It's an occupation, not a war.

who here has been 2 iraq?

noob you realize that everything he said was incorrect and a joke

Reeeaaaaly I had noooo ideeea.
This war is about oil and nothing but oil, son. Anyone who thinks otherwise is brainwashed. There is a documentary out there called, "A Crude Awakening: the End of Oil". I suggest you watch it son.

welcome back...


we've missed you so much?


lol...

By the way I think that only the USA is in war with Iraq

I'd like to know what the point of this war was? Now that you bringers of freedom fries and all things good have bombed Iraq to fuck and back, how is the world a better place?

I'd like to know what the point of this war was? Now that you bringers of freedom fries and all things good have bombed Iraq to fuck and back, how is the world a better place?

well you can be sure that iraq wont be threatening the world with wmd in our imaginations again any time soon!

WTF are you talking about? Wow you know absolutely NOTHING about shit going on over there do you.

1. The people there love us ]

Bollocks.


2. They have running water they had it 2 months after we had Boots on the ground]

They had it before you hauled your sorry arses in there, you blew it up, and no, a lot of them haven't got it back.


3. We rounded up all the art and museum items and they are currently on display in Baghdad at the Iraqi Museum]

...after the looting? Bollocks.

4. 99% of the Insurgents in Iraq are not from Iraq but from other neighboring countries.
]

More bollocks.


5. the Terrorists were (and still are) getting arms from Iraq, Syria, Iran, and a few other places. ]

Fairly irrelevant.


Did my Company ever secure an Oil Field? Nope never, we secured Fallujah, Babylon, Mosul, Tikrit, Ramadi, Basra, Baghdad and a bunch of other small towns. ]

Your imaginary 'company' did. As far as I know some of those areas were secured by the Brits.

oh btw natasem, they have only recovered half of what was looted from the baghdad museum.

You asked for Sources, here are my 300k+ sources. Go ask any US Soldier that has served in Iraq, they will tell you the same
who here has been 2 Iraq?
I served in Desert Storm 1 & 2 (aka Iraq war); I've been in the US Army for the last 17 years... YaY only 3 more to go till it is pension time

Who would know better what Iraq is really like?
1. The soldier that has done 3+ tours to Iraq each lasting 2 years
2. The civilian that only learns about Iraq through the media

Ya know I propose a way for you to prove me wrong in what I said:

Grow a set and join the USMC or the US Army and request to do a Tour in Iraq. Then you can see what it is really like there. Until you Join the Military and actually got to Iraq everything you say is not worth squat.

Another Question: which sells more news papers?
1. telling a story about Iraqis greeting US with flowers
2. telling a story about Iraqis kicking our asses
3. Paris Hilton/Nicole-smith#3
:D

#3
:D

you win, nothing will get more ratings that that spoiled rotten child. In the States if anyone other than her would have done half of what she did they would be in prison for at least 1 year and in General Population not in solitary confinement.

We should pull out and the go back.

I realize that Iraq is like having sex, you want to pull out before you make a big mistake, but then you should go back and fuck it(up) again.

That's called "the old in - out". *makes circle with thumb and forefinger, and pushes other finger in and out of the circle*

You asked for Sources, here are my 300k+ sources. Go ask any US Soldier that has served in Iraq, they will tell you the same


So bollocks it is then.

So bollocks it is then.

sorry you are useing a term i have no idea what it means. Have you served in the Military?


If not then grow a set and join your countries Military and request to do a Tour in Iraq. Then you can see what it is really like there. Until you Join the Military and actually got to Iraq everything you say is not worth squat.

Until you Join the Military and actually got to Iraq everything you say is not worth squat.
You have to get elected before you can make baseless decisions about the military.

I think the US has an obligation to stay in Iraq, and not to fight terrorists or protect freedom or whatever the reasons were when it went in (I think there were about 23). The US should stay because as bad as the situation is, I cannot see the withdrawal of the largest military force improving it. Right now, the US owes it to Iraq to help it become at least as stable as it was when Hussein was in power (without the genocide and dictatorship). At the same time, the Iraqi government needs to try to increase its independence. When it looks like the civil war can at least be contained by Iraq by itself, the last US soldier can leave.

sorry you are useing a term i have no idea what it means. Have you served in the Military?


If not then grow a set and join your countries Military and request to do a Tour in Iraq. Then you can see what it is really like there. Until you Join the Military and actually got to Iraq everything you say is not worth squat.


You have never served in the military. Stop making yourself look stupid.;)

You have never served in the military.
Perhaps Air Cadets?

Stop making yourself look stupid.;)
He is on a roll? :D

The Iraqi people have a messed up system. they will tell you whatever you want to hear, so even if we think we are progressing we are losing.

You asked for Sources, here are my 300k+ sources. Go ask any US Soldier that has served in Iraq, they will tell you the same

I served in Desert Storm 1 & 2 (aka Iraq war); I've been in the US Army for the last 17 years... YaY only 3 more to go till it is pension time

Who would know better what Iraq is really like?
1. The soldier that has done 3+ tours to Iraq each lasting 2 years
2. The civilian that only learns about Iraq through the media

Ya know I propose a way for you to prove me wrong in what I said:

Grow a set and join the USMC or the US Army and request to do a Tour in Iraq. Then you can see what it is really like there. Until you Join the Military and actually got to Iraq everything you say is not worth squat.

Actually, it's worth a lot more than squat because we can actually take time and study history etc. to form an opinion not spoon-fed to us by Bush and Co.

Until you Join the Military and actually got to Iraq everything you say is not worth squat.

so if I got a few soldiers who have served in Iraq to say STFU to you, you would do so? I might be able to pull that off actually though of course British troops don't count :rolleyes:

You have never served in the military. Stop making yourself look stupid.;)
o really? and you know this how? would you like my AKO account? or to see my 201 file?

FYI, i am actually IN Iraq now, have the Admin cross-reference my IP and you will see.

so if I got a few soldiers who have served in Iraq to say STFU to you, you would do so? I might be able to pull that off actually though of course British troops don't count :rolleyes:

yes if you can find some US Soldiers that have been to Iraq to say, what i said was in correct i will leave this forum forever and never play this game again.

To prove they are actually US Soldiers they have to present their AKO names

these were the Statements:
1. The people there love us (the insurgents hate us)
2. They have running water they had it 2 months after we had Boots on the ground
3. We rounded up all the art and museum items and they are currently on display in Baghdad at the Iraqi Museum
4. 99% of the Insurgents in Iraq are not from Iraq but from other neighboring countries.
5. the Terrorists were (and still are) getting arms from Iraq, Syria, Iran, and a few other places.

I never realized this game was full of Brits and other non Americans. If this is the way the Brits think then no wonder i don't want anything to do with em.

The Iraqi people have a messed up system. they will tell you whatever you want to hear, so even if we think we are progressing we are losing.

"You are misunderstanding"?

Where are you from?

You remind me of Borat.:)

yes if you can find some US Soldiers that have been to Iraq to say, what i said was in correct i will leave this forum forever and never play this game again.

To prove they are actually US Soldiers they have to present their AKO names

these were the Statements:
1. The people there love us (the insurgents hate us)
2. They have running water they had it 2 months after we had Boots on the ground
3. We rounded up all the art and museum items and they are currently on display in Baghdad at the Iraqi Museum
4. 99% of the Insurgents in Iraq are not from Iraq but from other neighboring countries.
5. the Terrorists were (and still are) getting arms from Iraq, Syria, Iran, and a few other places.

I never realized this game was full of Brits and other non Americans. If this is the way the Brits think then no wonder i don't want anything to do with em.

Aww, your resorting to bigotry against Brits cause you have no case...:rolleyes:

Thats so cute:p

You asked for Sources, here are my 300k+ sources. Go ask any US Soldier that has served in Iraq, they will tell you the same
Sorry, people are expected to provide their own sources. Suggesting everyone else look for them themselves is simply lazy.

I served in Desert Storm 1 & 2 (aka Iraq war); I've been in the US Army for the last 17 years... YaY only 3 more to go till it is pension time
And I invented an elaborate device that turns evian back into regular water.

Who would know better what Iraq is really like?
1. The soldier that has done 3+ tours to Iraq each lasting 2 years
2. The civilian that only learns about Iraq through the media
You do know that the media has reporters in Iraq, yes? So getting our information from you and getting ir fromt he media is the exact same thing. Therefore your question boils down to who is less biased regarding Iraq:
A soldier
A reporter

I'd put my money on the latter.

Ya know I propose a way for you to prove me wrong in what I said:

Grow a set and join the USMC or the US Army and request to do a Tour in Iraq. Then you can see what it is really like there. Until you Join the Military and actually got to Iraq everything you say is not worth squat.
Watching it on TV is much smarter. The bullets on TV won't kill you.
If not then grow a set and join your countries Military and request to do a Tour in Iraq. Then you can see what it is really like there. Until you Join the Military and actually got to Iraq everything you say is not worth squat.

Until you grow a set of feathery wings and fly to saturn everything you say is not worth squat.

Wow, that's fun, no wonder you keep doing it.

Watching it on TV is much smarter. The bullets on TV won't kill you.

Hmm, I'm not sure I would say watching something on TV is smarter than anything.

I never realized this game was full of Brits and other non Americans. If this is the way the Brits think then no wonder i don't want anything to do with em.

The forum is hosted in Britain and paid for by an Australian. IMS the majority of posters here are not American, though there are more Americans than there are people of any other nationality.

Aww, your resorting to bigotry against Brits cause you have no case...:rolleyes:

Thats so cute:p
How so?

funny how it turned into a Bash Natasem, when my first post in this thread said we should get out of Iraq and that Iraq is in a Civil War... and then someone said something about this conflict is about Oil then i proved that incorrect. and now it is just a Bash Nat fest..

Like i said if this is how Brits are then no wonder i don't like em

How so?

Well, its kind of like watching someone getting carried away in a flash flood.

Your heart reaches out for them cause you know their in way over their heads.

But you know unless someone comes to rescue them, they just won't make it.:rolleyes:

funny how it turned into a Bash Natasem, when my first post in this thread said we should get out of Iraq and that Iraq is in a Civil War... and then someone said something about this conflict is about Oil then i proved that incorrect. and now it is just a Bash Nat fest..

Like i said if this is how Brits are then no wonder i don't like em

Really, it isn't about oil? Then what is it about?

And if you find yourself frustrated, don't resort to bigotry:rolleyes:

Not everyone on this forum is British

funny how it turned into a Bash Natasem, when my first post in this thread said we should get out of Iraq and that Iraq is in a Civil War... and then someone said something about this conflict is about Oil then i proved that incorrect. and now it is just a Bash Nat fest..

We're not bashing you, we're disagreeing with you. This is a debate and discussion forum, that's what happens here.

Like i said if this is how Brits are then no wonder i don't like em
We're not all Brits, but if you don't like people disagreeing with you then you should leave.

Really, it isn't about oil? Then what is it about?

It's about the President of the US of A finishing what papa started.

Really, it isn't about oil? Then what is it about?

And if you find yourself frustrated, don't resort to bigotry:rolleyes:

Not everyone on this forum is British

you still haven't told me how i committed bigotry. also try to re read what i said in the first 2 pages of this bash fest. in there i told ya how it is NOT about the oil. Please take economics 101

We're not bashing you, we're disagreeing with you. This is a debate and discussion forum, that's what happens here.


We're not all Brits, but if you don't like people disagreeing with you then you should leave.

i just find it sophomoric that ya'll are bashing err disagreeing with someone that LIVED in Iraq for the last 8 years (in a few months it will be 8 years).


The U.S. army is stuck in Iraq for the foreseeable future. This situation has nothing to do with Iraq's internal security, but everything to do with external security. The vast majority of Americans (me included) would love to pull our troops out and leave the ungrateful "majority" of Iraqis to their fate. Unfortunately, this is not advisable because doing so would leave Iraq completely defenseless.

After such a pull out, the Turks could easily roll tanks through Northern Iraq into to Kirkuk to "protect" their aggrieved Turkmen brothers and squash any Kurdish aspirations for a Greater Kurdistan. Once those troops are in place, it is unlikely that they would ever be withdrawn. The model for this type of intervention is, obviously, the Syrian role in Lebanon.

The Iranians could also attempt a similar stunt and occupy Iraq's southern oil fields. Under this scenario, Iraq would be left a "rump" state with all its natural resources stolen by it neighbors. For these reasons, until the Iraqi army can be built up enough to defend itself, the U.S. army is stuck in Iraq.

Of course, once the Iraqi Army is rebuilt, their sovereign, democratically elected government can decide to ask the U.S. army to leave. Some governments have done so (like the Philippines), and we have complied with their wishes. Still other countries, like Germany and Japan, have made the political decision to let our troops stay so that they can spend less of their own resources on defense. In the future, the decision will be up to Iraq.


But truth be told I think we are on the fringe of a WWIII

*edit* nice... 2 days later still no reply looks like i won this debate

[Self-rightous army guy]*edit* nice... 2 days later still no reply looks like i won this debate.[/Self-rightous army guy]

I think people are tired with argueing with a racist bigot like you.

As you say, it's all about ratings, and nobody will watch the news show that lies to them.

Then explain why Fox News has so many viewers. ;)

If we do pull out, everyone won´t stop fighting and dance in the streets singing the Iraqi National Anthem, but the fighting will continue. If we allow democracy, the Sunnis probaly will get control of Iraq´s government and the Shittes will feel left out (Or the other way around. I forget). However, if we make the Prime Minister of Iraq a Kurd and split the Iraqi Senate between the Shittes, Sunnis, and other groups, but give the Shittes and Sunnis the same number of representitives, the Kurds will not only get their own country, again, but should be able to control the fighting, specily if the bulk of the Kurd population decides to move to the Kurdish state.