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Yesterday I was watching T.V (!) and that terrible show about barely underage rich girls came on (the episode where the foster girl who had lived in an arsehole destroys your faith in humanity), now I started thinking maybe they have too much money? if I remember almost all of Jello Biafra's spoken word albums involves people with an addiction to money and such...

so anyways I looked on wikipedia but apparently the articles not neutral so I thought I'd let NSG do a 100+ page thread on it so now here is where I list things: what do you think about maximum wage? what did you do on your 16th? do you like money?

I honestly can't remember my 16th birthday. I don't know if that means it was good or not...

I honestly can't remember my 16th birthday. I don't know if that means it was good or not...

You understood that?

It read similar to The Naked Lunch for me

You understood that?

It read similar to The Naked Lunch for me

Something about 16th birthdays. I had one of them. And money. Wouldn't mind more of that. I think?

Yeah, those girls grow up to be real ball busters, I imagine.

Yesterday I was watching T.V (!) and that terrible show about barely underage rich girls came on (the episode where the foster girl who had lived in an arsehole destroys your faith in humanity), now I started thinking maybe they have too much money? if I remember almost all of Jello Biafra's spoken word albums involves people with an addiction to money and such...

so anyways I looked on wikipedia but apparently the articles not neutral so I thought I'd let NSG do a 100+ page thread on it so now here is where I list things: what do you think about maximum wage? what did you do on your 16th? do you like money?

Maximium wage, stoopid idea, I can't remember, but I have had a party for my birthday every year since then(oohh a small mememory has surfaced - I paid my mun and dad to go away for the night, and they come back early) everybody likes money.

seeing as how this thread is on life support I may as well put my answers: no idea, same as any other day, I like using moneys :)

Yeah, those girls grow up to be real ball busters, I imagine.

I wonder when there parents will kick them out?

I wonder when there parents will kick them out?

I misread that as "lick".

i think it's a good idea but it'd never pass, there's no way the people that bankroll the major parties are going to let something like that become law.

i can't remember my 16th, probably went for a meal with my friends or something.

i like not having to worry about money, but i'd be quite happy if it didn't exist and alternative exchange mechainism was in it's place.

I'm 16.

And cool.:cool:

My 16th birthday was my worst since I didn't do anything. 16 was a very booring age too.

I like money, I'm against maximum wage, better to tax the shit out of the richest instead, they'll be fine anyway.

My 16th birthday sucked, then again, I don't remember what I did so...

what do you think about maximum wage?
I don't like it.

what did you do on your 16th?
my friends snuck me into a bar and we all got drunk and sang karaoke, then we went on a scavenger hunt through the city and I woke up in Kansas 2 days later, and I don't really remember what happened between the scavenger hunt and Kansas, nor do I know how I got to Kansas, why I was there or who I was there with. true story.

do you like money?
meh, I like money, it's something I can control and I am a control freak, I like to invest it, and I like to budget, and I like to plan to buy things and save up for them, and I like to be able to help people who need help because it gives me a sense of accomplishment, since not very long ago at all it seems I was living paycheck to paycheck in my car, eating other people's discarded fast food.

I'm not in favour of a maximum wage. When I was 16 I was goofing off, a lot :p I like money, you can buy beer from it :)

meh, I like money, it's something I can control and I am a control freak, I like to invest it, and I like to budget, and I like to plan to buy things and save up for them, and I like to be able to help people who need help because it gives me a sense of accomplishment, since not very long ago at all it seems I was living paycheck to paycheck in my car, eating other people's discarded fast food.

That two Americans on this forum have wound up eating from the rubbish is one of the reasons I'd be very, very wary about moving to America. It just seems... Well, yeah.

Both their (on-line) names begin with 'S', too. That's a funny coincidence.

That two Americans on this forum have wound up eating from the rubbish is one of the reasons I'd be very, very wary about moving to America. It just seems... Well, yeah.

Both their (on-line) names begin with 'S', too. That's a funny coincidence.

I ended up the way I did due to my own choices. It's not my countries fault, or capitalisms fault, or even drugs fault, it was my fault.

I am where I am today because of my own choices too.

and who is the other "s" person?

Maximum wage doesn't seem like a great idea. How would it work? Oh, no, I'm sorry, you already make that much money, so, you know, anything that you make beyond that we're just gonna take. Yeah...

Scaled income tax, on the other hand...

I ended up the way I did due to my own choices. It's not my countries fault, or capitalisms fault, or even drugs fault, it was my fault.

I am where I am today because of my own choices too.

and who is the other "s" person?

Yeah, but I like the idea of having a safety net for when shit happens; I always assume shit will happen, so it's best to have contingencies whose failure is out of my control (ie. I can't break them).

I'm not sure if it's my place to say, so I'll let them comment if they wish to. This might not be the best place to get in contact with them (hint, hint ¬_¬).

Yeah, but I like the idea of having a safety net for when shit happens; I always assume shit will happen, so it's best to have contingencies whose failure is out of my control (ie. I can't break them).

I'm not sure if it's my place to say, so I'll let them comment if they wish to. This might not be the best place to get in contact with them (hint, hint ¬_¬).
there is a safety net here, I didn't apply.

That two Americans on this forum have wound up eating from the rubbish is one of the reasons I'd be very, very wary about moving to America. It just seems... Well, yeah.

Both their (on-line) names begin with 'S', too. That's a funny coincidence.

If you fall through the cracks in America, it is very hard to claw back to the top.

For my 16th birthday, I basically just had some of my friends over (10 people maybe) and we had pizza and cake and played video games. Basically the same as my other birthday parties.

I don't know why I keep lurking in this thread. I don't agree with maximum wage. I'm not old enough to have had a 16th birthday either. -_-

Hahahahahah, no, nooo way.

If you fall through the cracks in America, it is very hard to claw back to the top.Which probably doesn't do anyone any good.

There's less crime when people's lives don't depend on their ability to support themselves. That benefits the middle class.
There's a larger, qualified workforce, when the dole is contingent on completing various types of job training. That benefits the super-rich and the national economy.
There's less strain on the health and justice systems, and fewer insane people running around in society, when would-be dole recipients can rely on a tolerable level of income and a good reason to get out of bed in the morning. That benefits the rabble.

I don't really see any losers.

Of course, it doesn't work nearly as well if health care and 'correctional' facilities are privately owned and operated.

As for the OP, I don't think a maximum wage is sound idea. It's like trying to fix a billion broken bodies with a band aid. Put an end to corporate entities, private ones in particular, and stop market intervention. Or switch to an economic system that doesn't revolve around exploitation - the problem I assume maximum wages is supposed to address.

what do you think about maximum wage?

Sure.

The maximum wage will be half of whatever I make.

Whoever my employer is will be more than happy to give me any raise I ask for. :D

what did you do on your 16th?

I went to school, I went to work, I went to sleep.

Fun, huh?

do you like money?

It'll do...until I obtain superpowers. Then you're all fucked. :eek::p

If you fall through the cracks in America, it is very hard to claw back to the top.

True enough...but there are very few places where it is any easier.

We're working on it.

Well, one thing remains clear. Everyone likes money!

As you may have guessed from the previous paragraph, I haven't had my 16th yet. But for my 14th last September I did nothing, and I guess that'll probably be the trend for the next few years till I'm 18.

Of course I love money. Money represents potential.

Well, one thing remains clear. Everyone likes money!Probably not very much though. Most people could double their income fairly easily if they wanted to. They just value the time more than the money. I'm that way myself. Actually turned down two fairly well paid job offers last month.

I guess the real question is, does the reward of bettering your social and/or economic standing help society or does working together in an altruistic fashion make for a better society?

I guess the real question is, does the reward of bettering your social and/or economic standing help society or does working together in an altruistic fashion make for a better society?

Both do.

Yeah, but I like the idea of having a safety net for when shit happens; I always assume shit will happen, so it's best to have contingencies whose failure is out of my control (ie. I can't break them).

I'm not sure if it's my place to say, so I'll let them comment if they wish to. This might not be the best place to get in contact with them (hint, hint ¬_¬).

There are safety nets here in America. I know because I had to use one. About 8 years ago we got into some serious financial trouble though a combination of bad luck and some bad decisions. We were close to losing everything, but we was able to survive thanks to government assistance. I used government money to go back to school and I now have a Bachelors degree and a decent job. I know of plenty other people who have done the same. I will agree that there are some sizable holes in America's safety net and it is easy to "fall through the cracks", but that is why I vote and try to change the system.

Money is a nice thing to have when you have none. I've found that when I have a source of income I care less about money.

As for my 16th...I really don't remember. Likely it wasn't very interesting.

My 18th on the other hand...nearly ended up in hospital.

Both do.

I agree :D

Maximum wage=Bad
16th birthday=Didn't do anything, except get some cards and money
Money=I useful for purchasing goods and services.

Money=I useful for purchasing goods and services.

Eww… services… :p

How do you enforce a maximum wage? I suppose it is possible in most cases in the US, since most people work for somebody else and that somebody else probably reports their employees' wages to the IRS. But what about small business owners? Or even large business owners? Does capital gains or other investment income count towards the maximum wage? And what about fringe benefits and non-wage forms of compensation? For example, stock options, benefits, retirement, childcare, company car, free tickets to events, etc?

For my 16th birthday, I basically just had some of my friends over (10 people maybe) and we had pizza and cake and played video games. Basically the same as my other birthday parties.

Same here. Also money=good, and I don't agree with a maximum wage.

I ended up the way I did due to my own choices. It's not my countries fault, or capitalisms fault, or even drugs fault, it was my fault.

I am where I am today because of my own choices too.
Yes, yes, I'm sure you'd have had the same options were you born black in the ghetto.
there is a safety net here, I didn't apply.
Now that, was a bad choice.

I don't oppose the idea of a maximum wage, but I don't think it could be implemented properly, so untimately I suppose I'm against it.
I don't remember what I did for my 16th. Nothing particular, I imagine.
Money is nice to have, as it's one less thing to have to worry about.

Hmm, 16th birthday... I should remember it was this year. Me and my friends probably just sat around playing Smash Bros. like we do every year.

Yesterday I was watching T.V (!) and that terrible show about barely underage rich girls came on (the episode where the foster girl who had lived in an arsehole destroys your faith in humanity), now I started thinking maybe they have too much money? if I remember almost all of Jello Biafra's spoken word albums involves people with an addiction to money and such...

so anyways I looked on wikipedia but apparently the articles not neutral so I thought I'd let NSG do a 100+ page thread on it so now here is where I list things: what do you think about maximum wage? what did you do on your 16th? do you like money?

1. i think the minimum wage is good in theory.

2. i can't remember my 16th. it might have been the year a friend and i had a joint house party (his house) and i got so smashed some peeps wanted me to go have my stomach pumped. people were still pointing at me in school for weeks after saying "woah its that dude who got totally wasted at jim's!" :D

I went go-karting on my birthday AND won! Very cool. Of course all my friends thought it had been rigged.

As for money, well I've just been to the funeral of someone who I cared very much about. What do you think I think of money?

Maximum wage is probably a bad idea. Shallow people need something to aspire to make them work harder. They'd be constantly grumbling and whining if they thought there wasn't even the remotest chance that they could be super rich one day.

And of course a maximum wage would deny the people who do become rich that money won't buy them happiness.

I don't remember my 16th birthday but it's ridiculous the parties these girls get.I'm for maximum wage.Research indicates if the minimum wage in America had increased at the same rate as inflation drove prices upit would now be $13.75.

Yesterday I was watching T.V (!) and that terrible show about barely underage rich girls came on (the episode where the foster girl who had lived in an arsehole destroys your faith in humanity), now I started thinking maybe they have too much money? if I remember almost all of Jello Biafra's spoken word albums involves people with an addiction to money and such...

so anyways I looked on wikipedia but apparently the articles not neutral so I thought I'd let NSG do a 100+ page thread on it so now here is where I list things: what do you think about maximum wage? what did you do on your 16th? do you like money?

I vote for that idea being a dumb-ass stupid idea. One has nothing to do with the other. There are selfish dumb-asss bitches at all income levels. You would be better of trying to pass a law against that.

My 16th Birthday was quite a dull Friday; I went to school, sat through History, Economics, Management, English and Mathematics; I then would have gone home and continued packing (I moved house two weeks later). Then, the next day, I would have enjoyed my last Saturday night of freedom (I started working at my present job the week later, and am still working Saturday night).

In terms of the maximum wage idea, I personally am opposed to it - why should people that make their way up to the top of the pecking order be excessively punished. All that would happen with a maximum wage is that people will not bother to succeed and we will have a lack of leaders. My own personal opinion is that we should be encouraging the wages of the poorer to increase, through measures such as encouraging firms to utilise more capital goods and encouraging more employees to become skilled as opposed to semi-skilled and unskilled.

Maximum wages... meh.

When I turned 16 I had an evil exam and an evil teacher. I hate my birthday - I always get exams on that date. And I also hate it because I was born on that day, that's why.

Money? Gimme lots of it.

I had a super sweet 16. Well, it was more of an anti-super sweet sixteen, because I had death metal bands play and I let anyone come. Oh, and I didn't get a car. I got chutes and ladders, dora the explorer edition.

My 16th was average; had a mahoooooosive party,got bladdered, and in other states, and generally had a hoot.

In regard to a maximum wage, I genuinely am unable to decide. Whilst I do deplore the excesses of footballers, musicians and the like, I would suggest it is a crucial constituent of a capitalist society that one should be able to earn as much as one can.

Employers should have the right to offer as little or as much or as little as they want for any given position, and employees have every right to accept or refuse that wage. I didn't do a whole lot on my 16th birthday, I didn't realise there was a big thing about it. And yes, I like money. Kinda keeps me alive. And pays for this internet connection (well, my one at home anyway - I'm at work, which, ironically, pays for my home internet connection).