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Ok, so I was at the airport today, and I came back into the terminal after flying around some (I am having a bad week and sometimes flying makes everything better for me) this woman comes up to me and says "What aircraft do you fly?" and I told her "A single engine propeller aircraft." She then says "So you don't fly the jets that spew out Chemtrails?" At this point I just walked away, probably should've stood there and told her just exactly how she was wrong, but then that would make her cry, and I would feel bad etc.

Chemtrails, people actually believe that when they see contrails, which looks like this.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/contrails/contrails.jpg

They automatically think that is some Black-Op aircraft spewing chemicals into our atmosphere to make us sick, die, be paranoid nutjobs whatever. Yea, United Airlines is involved in black-op with 500 passengers on the aircraft that they are using for the black-op, give me a break.

Now there are aircraft that do spray out chemicals, but most of the time it's over large lands of crops, and the aircraft looks more like this.

http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/00946/pic_used/pesticide.jpg

Now one of the stories about Chemtrails that I hear most of the time is when more than one Contrails appear over a single area. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is not strange or unusual, this happens because that part of the sky is used as an intersection for Airways, or it's an VOR/NDB area, or maybe it's part of a Departure/Arrival route for aircrafts. Of course they then go on to say "Well after awhile it started to rain!", well did you check your weather forecast today? Did they forecast rain? I will bet everything that I owe that the person did no such thing.

Of course every now and then someone who claims that they witness the military, CIA, FBI, Roswell, little green men, put chemicals inside of the aircrafts engines (I wish I was making this up) doesn't help because all that does is give the sheep more anti-freeze to lap up. More than half of the people who claim that they've seen these chemicals are lying through their teeth and really are just looking to be special.

So in conclusion, Chemtrails, are just Contrails that idiots think are out to get them.

Be skeptical if you wish, but they are correct in their assertions. Petite green aliens, aided by a global Jewish organization, are filling fuel tanks with brain juices from Walt Disney's head with the cooperation of the US government. Their objective is world domination via the mind-altering effects of the aforementioned juices. It's clever, but don't think I can't see through it!

i live at the north end of whitesands missle range. we get all sorts of interesting contrails. they are seldom the pretty, straight ones in your pictures.

sometimes they suddenly veer off at angle. sometimes they kind of corkscrew. sometimes there are a dozen criss-crossing the sky.

I always knew those as "skywriters"...caused by frozen water vapor or exhaust cemicals at worst. They're pretty cool.

I saw one fly over me the other day. All I thought was how it looked like one of those mini rockets you launch by pumping air into a water bottle. Of course that's not how I think it works, but deadly chemicals didn't come to mind...

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so you just left an ignorant person ignorant...

planes do spew out a trail of chemicals tho...it's just called "exhaust" and not "chemtrails"

Aren't those caused by the flushing of airline toilets in flight? That's why the big planes leave such big trails, and the little regional jets only leave sporadic trails.

I know it's true, because my uncle got whomped up side da head by a big chunk of stinkin' blue ice, right after one of those bastids flew overhead. He still walks funny.

ZOMG the ebil gubernmint iz killing us wit kemikills from teh airplaenz!

Aren't those caused by the flushing of airline toilets in flight? That's why the big planes leave such big trails, and the little regional jets only leave sporadic trails.

I know it's true, because my uncle got whomped up side da head by a big chunk of stinkin' blue ice, right after one of those bastids flew overhead. He still walks funny.

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Next time I'm High tailing into the nearst house... Let me in dammit! I don't want the poo on me!

so you just left an ignorant person ignorant...

In my experience, it's not worth it, the belief that the government/NWO/Freemasons/Illuminati/Jews are after them are so ingrained that to try to convince them otherwise would be like trying to convince Fundies Christian that other religions are valid as well.

Not that they need to be chemtrials to have some concern-
Another study that took advantage of the grounding gave striking evidence of what contrails can do. David Travis of the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater and two colleagues measured the difference, over those three contrail-free days, between the highest daytime temperature and the lowest nighttime temperature across the continental U.S. They compared those data with the average range in day-night temperatures for the period 1971-2000, again across the contiguous 48 states. Travis's team discovered that from roughly midday September 11 to midday September 14, the days had become warmer and the nights cooler, with the overall range greater by about two degrees Fahrenheit.
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n a study published in 2004, for example, Minnis and colleagues reported that contrails are capable of increasing average surface temperatures sufficiently to account for a warming trend in the U.S. between 1975 and 1994. But some climatologists believe Minnis and his colleagues may have overestimated the contrail warming effect.

Even if Minnis's estimates are correct, other climate experts feel that any warming from contrails is not something to fret about. In a study published in 2005, James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, and colleagues ran models that increased the contrail coverage in Minnis's study by a factor of five. Even with this significant increase, Hansen's team found that global mean temperature change was in the neighborhood of 0.03°C (0.05°F)—a minute amount.
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"Aircraft are likely to be a significant factor in future climate, but probably not via their contrails," Hansen told me. "I think our main concern about aircraft will be their CO2 emissions, not contrails, which are a pretty small climate forcing."

Minnis counters that Hansen's model, while on target on the global front, doesn't account as accurately for regional temperature changes. "In zones of greatest air traffic, like between 30° and 50° North, there's a large bulge in the actual increase in temperature that's not reflected in the models," he says. "Until they model that bulge, that thing's still up in the air." For his part, Minnis intends to keep his eye on condensation trails and their aftereffects.
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For this reason, Travis believes we shouldn't sit by and wait to see what happens with contrails. "Anytime we can see an effect from something artificial like that, I think we want to try to do something about it," he says. The British government, for one, may be about to. It's considering requiring planes to fly at lower altitudes over Great Britain in hopes of promoting fewer contrails.

Those 'crazy hippies' at Nova (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/contrail.html)

I see and understand contrails overhead all the time, they're really cool-looking.

We don't get them here. Conditions must not be right for them to form.

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Next time I'm High tailing into the nearst house... Let me in dammit! I don't want the poo on me!

There's fairly set laws on when an airplane can flush its system and it's not in flight - there was a case a while ago concerning a woman living near Frankfurt airport who complained that large chunks of frozen feces had ripped through her roof on numerous occasions.

Frankfurt airport traffic control were able to work out which airline was doing it.

I'll say I'll look up the source but in actuality I simply won't.

EDIT: Clearly this is wrong memory on my part - I'm sure I read about this but seems impossible

81. What happens to toilet waste from airplane bathrooms nowadays? It's contained in tanks, then emptied when the plane arrives at its destination. On rare occasions a tank leaks and its contents, including a blue disinfectant, fall to earth. Because it's so cold so high up, the chunks are frozen when they land and are referred to as "blue ice."
82. Does toilet waste ever hit people down below? One of the first reported cases occurred on Oct. 10, 1974, when a block of blue ice pierced the roof of Erma Schuon's apartment in Lansing, Mich., missing her by about 6 feet. The latest incident occurred in September 2002, when blue ice crashed through the roof of Susan and Kenneth Selzer's ranch-style house in North Massapequa, N.Y.

CIA Agents in shirtsleeves and braces stand in the open cargo bays of planes and dump barrels of the chemicals out during flight.

They automatically think that is some Black-Op aircraft spewing chemicals into our atmosphere to make us sick, die, be paranoid nutjobs whatever. Yea, United Airlines is involved in black-op with 500 passengers on the aircraft that they are using for the black-op, give me a break.

Hey, it may be nuts to believe in "chemtrails," but not because it couldn't be done under the noses of 500 people. I doubt anyone would say anything, or even notice. :p Kinda like when, on an Amtrak route cross-country, you get diverted to add cars of mail - sure, it might be mail, but if it were nuclear waste, I sure as hell wouldn't know. ;)

Aren't contrails just water vapor created from the heat of the jet engines?

i live at the north end of whitesands missle range. we get all sorts of interesting contrails. they are seldom the pretty, straight ones in your pictures.

sometimes they suddenly veer off at angle. sometimes they kind of corkscrew. sometimes there are a dozen criss-crossing the sky.

well this i am suprised by,the chem trail thing.

ever heard of harp?
the High Altitude Research Project?
well it is/was for real and i know friends that were involved with it.

contrary to all the speculation about agent orange and such nonsence,it was an old cia project to redirect the gulf stream to alter the climates of other countries...or so i am told.they tried to change the flow of upper altitude winds to effect climate shifts.
and if it was effective..what a weapon?
as far as i know it did not bear fruit,so it was dropped.
they tried to redirect the upper airflow to change the climate in other countries..pretty clever and 007 type thinking,but i dont think you can beat mother nature,and if you try it just backfires.
i am just curious why someone brought this up,it was an old cia program.
and it had nothing to do with spraying people with poisons,although some back wood hicks claimed they were.
it was about adjusting the winds that determine our climate,cause they do,but as far as i know.it was dropped as un workable.

planes do spew out a trail of chemicals tho...it's just called "exhaust" and not "chemtrails"

Actually, it isn't even the exhaust. It CAN be caused by exhaust, but the exhaust itself isn't what you are seeing. In fact, the same aircraft can be flying one minute and have no contrail, and the next have contrail, with no change in the engine or exhaust. It is the conditions around the aircraft in the atmosphere that are changing.

Also, contrails can be caused by wingtip cortices.

All contrails are is condensation of water already in the atmosphere into ice crystals.

Aren't those caused by the flushing of airline toilets in flight? That's why the big planes leave such big trails, and the little regional jets only leave sporadic trails.

I know it's true, because my uncle got whomped up side da head by a big chunk of stinkin' blue ice, right after one of those bastids flew overhead. He still walks funny.

See above. That isn't contrails.

well this i am suprised by,the chem trail thing.

ever heard of harp?
the High Altitude Research Project?
well it is/was for real and i know friends that were involved with it.

contrary to all the speculation about agent orange and such nonsence,it was an old cia project to redirect the gulf stream to alter the climates of other countries...or so i am told.they tried to change the flow of upper altitude winds to effect climate shifts.
and if it was effective..what a weapon?
as far as i know it did not bear fruit,so it was dropped.
they tried to redirect the upper airflow to change the climate in other countries..pretty clever and 007 type thinking,but i dont think you can beat mother nature,and if you try it just backfires.
i am just curious why someone brought this up,it was an old cia program.
and it had nothing to do with spraying people with poisons,although some back wood hicks claimed they were.
it was about adjusting the winds that determine our climate,cause they do,but as far as i know.it was dropped as un workable.

First off, why can't you put a space after your commas? It really isn't that hard.

Second off, that is not at all what HARP was. HARP (at least you got the acronym correct, it was High Altitude Research Project) wasn't a CIA project, it was a joint United States Department of Defense and Canadian Department of National Defense project.

HARP was an early 1960s project to experiment with re-entry vehicle designs for ICBM warheads. If you remember your history, this was still early in the design of ICBMs. At the time, the only way to test such designs was by launching them up on a non-reusable rocket, something very expensive to do each time. HARP traded the rocket for a very large gun. It launched a projectile with a re-entry vehicle from a gun rather than a rocket, making it cheaper.

Nothing to do with the Gulf Stream, which by the way is not something that you alter with anything high altitude, since the Gulf Stream is an ocean current, not something in the atmosphere. You were probably thinking of the Jet Stream.

Also, given your typing style and general demonstrated intelligence on this forum, I doubt you know friends that were involved in this project. They would be very old at this point, far older than you have thus far demonstrated to be.

Second off, that is not at all what HARP was. HARP (at least you got the acronym correct, it was High Altitude Research Project) wasn't a CIA project, it was a joint United States Department of Defense and Canadian Department of National Defense project.
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He may have been thinking of HAARP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program). There's been conspiracy theories around that too, but its stated aims are to do with how the ionosphere affects communications performance.

He may have been thinking of HAARP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program). There's been conspiracy theories around that too, but its stated aims are to do with how the ionosphere affects communications performance.

Well, he did actually manage to get the acronym and what it stands for correct, so I think he actually meant HARP.

Not that HAARP had anything to do with what he was thinking either.

so you just left an ignorant person ignorant...
How ignorant!! :eek:

so you just left an ignorant person ignorant...

He left a conspiracy theory crackpot with 20 minutes of his life saved.

Aren't contrails just water vapor created from the heat of the jet engines?

Nope they are chemicals added by your corrupt govement to get you to belive them. duh!:D

gosh, i've never heard of that conspiracy theory. pretty retarded.

gosh, i've never heard of that conspiracy theory. pretty retarded.

I have, listen to Coast to Coast AM sometime. The stupidity will melt your brain.