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I'm doing research for my job on the 2008 presidential election and I'm wondering which candidate you all like the best, and what three issue positions you like the most about that candidate.

Isn't it obvious?

General Zod in '08!! (http://www.zod2008.com/)

As for the issues:
1) Our energy policy
2) Political subterfuge
3) The economy, stupid!

Zod promises to
1) Remove our reliance on non-renewable fuels, and instead switch to Krypto-tech
2) Stop permitting large corporations to buy our Representatives and our Senators. And he will not stretch Constitutional limits of Power. He is very candid, and when he goes beyond the Constitution, we will know it easily.
3) Increase overall GDP in both the services and the goods sectors, and restore favorable free trade initiatives.

I'm doing research for my job on the 2008 presidential election and I'm wondering which candidate you all like the best, and what three issue positions you like the most about that candidate.

Well, because Starfox was an awesome game, I'll answer your question honestly.

I like Barak O' Bama. And here's why:

1. He's not Hillary Clinton

2. He's from Illinois, I'm from Illinois, and Lincoln was from Illinois.

3. He was on Conan when Conan was in Chicago, and he seems like he knows what he's doing, despite his lack of experience.

I'm doing research for my job on the 2008 presidential election and I'm wondering which candidate you all like the best, and what three issue positions you like the most about that candidate.

It's way too early to tell. Most of the independent hopefuls don't have the funds or resources to begin campaigning this early.

By the way, since my first vote in the 1992 election, I have yet to vote for a Democrat and a Republican. Not that I would never do so, but I vote for the best candidate, not the one I think will win. I don't get prizes in the mail for picking the winner. ;)

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Kane promises to bring equality to the world, bring glory to the downtrodden peoples of my homeland, and make those that would harm us suffer.


In the name of Kane!

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Kane promises to bring equality to the world, bring glory to the downtrodden peoples of my homeland, and make those that would harm us suffer.


In the name of Kane!

My Mammoth tanks say otherwise.

Mike Gravel

1) Withdraw from Iraq

2) Congress, etc. Reform

3) Support of Civil Rights

My Mammoth tanks say otherwise.

Pfft.

We control the media, we control the mind.

Also, we've got frickin' huge lasers.

Ron Paul FTW!

A.) He supports smaller, decentralized government

B.) He supports lower taxes and the Fair Tax plan

C.) He is for gun ownership rights

D.) He is against America's preemptive strike against Iraq, and never voted for the war.

E.) He believes that all of these "wars", the War on Terror, Poverty, Drugs, etc. is just a scare tactic cooked up by Government to scare the population.

F.) He believes in following the Constitution & Bill of Rights again, which means no more wiretapping, prisoners being held without trail, etc.

G.) He is for personal liberty!

He is just pwnful!

Ron Paul FTW!

A.) He supports smaller, decentralized government

B.) He supports lower taxes and the Fair Tax plan

C.) He is for gun ownership rights

D.) He is against America's preemptive strike against Iraq, and never voted for the war.

E.) He believes that all of these "wars", the War on Terror, Poverty, Drugs, etc. is just a scare tactic cooked up by Government to scare the population.

F.) He believes in following the Constitution & Bill of Rights again, which means no more wiretapping, prisoners being held without trail, etc.

G.) He is for personal liberty!

He is just pwnful!

He's the Republican answer to Mike Gravel.

He's the Republican answer to Mike Gravel.

Ron Paul pwns Mike!

Ron Paul FTW!

A.) He supports smaller, decentralized government

B.) He supports lower taxes and the Fair Tax plan

So he hates the poor then?


Honesty, Dennis Kucinich is the only decent candidate running, and he's a fucking joke. I hate this country.

Ron Paul pwns Mike!

Personal opinions aside, you know it's true. :cool:

EDIT: The Ron Paul being the Republican answer to Mike Gravel part, anyway.

So he hates the poor then?


Honesty, Dennis Kucinich is the only decent candidate running, and he's a fucking joke. I hate this country.

Ugh, How come whenever someone mentions a smaller government or the Fair Tax plan, someone always says "Well what about the poor?" Allow me to present bullet points that even You (and by You I mean everyone who reads this post) can understand!


The Fair Tax Plan will have sales tax around 25%, thus keeping up the current level of tax revenues
Fair Tax eliminates the need for income taxes, as well as several other taxes that is taken out of people's pocket.
This means when you get your paycheck, you'll be paid in the FULL amount.
A smaller decentralized government is better for the country, because it will finally be back under the people's control.
Once under the people's control, there will be accountability again, and financial responsibility will return.
With fiscal responsibility, our deficit problem will be taken care of, and we may actually start to pay off some of our debts.
It also means, lower sales Tax (Fair Tax Plan)
Fair Tax Plan and smaller government will not threaten the Welfare State, and in fact it will help people get off of the Doe, which is a good thing.


That concludes my presentation of "Bullet Points that even you can understand. To learn more go to the following sites.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Ugh, How come whenever someone mentions a smaller government or the Fair Tax plan, someone always says "Well what about the poor?" Allow me to present bullet points that even You (and by You I mean everyone who reads this post) can understand!
Oh, I wonder if he's insulting my intelligence or sanity?

The Fair Tax Plan will have sales tax around 25%, thus keeping up the current level of tax revenues
Fair Tax eliminates the need for income taxes, as well as several other taxes that is taken out of people's pocket.
This means when you get your paycheck, you'll be paid in the FULL amount.
It does no such thing. It merely raises the price of goods and forces the poor to pay taxes that they otherwise should not have to pay. The only "fair tax" is one where the rich pay society back for the privilege they enjoy. Why should someone living in the ghetto pay any taxes?
A smaller decentralized government is better for the country, because it will finally be back under the people's control.
So we can have things like segregation and mandatory prayer in schools. Yee-ha.
Once under the people's control, there will be accountability again, and financial responsibility will return.
With fiscal responsibility, our deficit problem will be taken care of, and we may actually start to pay off some of our debts
There's no guarantee of any of that. Besides, "the people" (the demogogues who control them) would blow any windfall on mobile body armor or some other useless shit.
Fair Tax Plan and smaller government will not threaten the Welfare State, and in fact it will help people get off of the Doe, which is a good thing.


Yeah, I'll believe that. Especially since all the politicians and pundits who support the fair tax plan have only good things to say about the Welfare State and would never do anything to jeopardize it.

Ron Paul FTW!

He is just pwnful!

He's a crackpot.

Mike Gravel

1) Withdraw from Iraq

2) Congress, etc. Reform

3) Support of Civil Rights

And that's just for starters.

And that's just for starters.

Oh yeah. Gavel's great. He wants to give the American people (the same people who don't give a shit about bombing other countries, the poor and various unethical actions taken by the administration and who would never vote for him) more direct control over the lawmaking process.

He's a naive old man.

Bill Richardson

1. Immigration

2. Iraq

3. Abortion and Gay Rights

Bill Richardson

1. Immigration

2. Iraq

3. Abortion and Gay Rights

Which way on abortion? j/c b/c it doesn't specify

Fair Tax Plan and smaller government will not threaten the Welfare State, and in fact it will help people get off of the Doe, which is a good thing.

What's wrong with does?

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Ron Paul

1) Lower taxes
2) Gun ownership rights
3) End the war in Iraq
4) Individual liberty
5) The constitution
6) Decentralized government

He's a small-government libertarian, as am I.

And about tax cutters hating the poor: why should the wealthy give the money they earned to the state? Is it fair to take money from some and not from others? Is it really fair to take money from anyone? The poor can be helped by charities that collect money from people who choose to help, not those who are forced into surrendering their property.

The poor can be helped by charities that collect money from people who choose to help, not those who are forced into surrendering their property.
No charity gets enough in donations to take over the part of the government in helping the poor. The end.

Libertarians are idealists who don't bother thinking our their great utopian ideals yet try to apply them to the real world. Aka, dense anarchists.

THE ELECTION ISN'T FOR MORE THAN A FUCKING YEAR!

Sorry...It's just...Jesus, I don't know if I can't put up with all these asshole candidates until the primaries and stuff...

And then I'm guessing I won't be able to put up with those assholes that get picked as the candidates.

Christ, Mitt Romney's already running ads where I live....

Fine...

Mike Gravel.

-Immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq.
-Supports all rights for GLBT people (Marriage, being protected by hate crime laws, get rid of don't ask don't tell etc.)
-Decriminalize minor drug offenses, and focus the drug prison systems on rehabilitation.

Also, he supports abortion. But I had to pick three.

It does no such thing. It merely raises the price of goods and forces the poor to pay taxes that they otherwise should not have to pay. The only "fair tax" is one where the rich pay society back for the privilege they enjoy. Why should someone living in the ghetto pay any taxes?

have you actually read the fair tax plan? no? didn't think so.

the poor will not pay any taxes that they are not paying now, due to the monthly check they will get from the government. They will no longer have to pay things like social security tax and medicare tax out of their checks which gives them more money to do things like buy food and pay the electric bill.

have you actually read the fair tax plan? no? didn't think so.

the poor will not pay any taxes that they are not paying now, due to the monthly check they will get from the government. They will no longer have to pay things like social security tax and medicare tax out of their checks which gives them more money to do things like buy food and pay the electric bill.
I don't think they should have to pay those things now, but I'm also not about to give up the progressive tax system, which is the only "fair" way to do things, and the only way to raise the amount of money that a civilized government needs to function.
And about tax cutters hating the poor: why should the wealthy give the money they earned to the state? Is it fair to take money from some and not from others? Is it really fair to take money from anyone? The poor can be helped by charities that collect money from people who choose to help, not those who are forced into surrendering their property.

The rich owe a great deal to the society that allows their property to mean something.

As I've said, those supporting the "fair tax" plan have never shown any kind of leniency or even understanding to the poor in the past, why should I buy their bullshit now?

Al Gore.

1) CLimate Change!

2) He's honest-as far as i know.

3) He can actually make an impact on climate change cuz he's on the boards of Google and Apple.

Straight and simple.

I'm doing research for my job on the 2008 presidential election and I'm wondering which candidate you all like the best, and what three issue positions you like the most about that candidate.

I support any candidate capable of performing a satisfactory barrel roll to elude partisan mudslinging. However, the dunces that are about to run, such as Hillary Clinton and Rudolph Giuliani, couldn't find the 'z' OR 'r' key to save their lives.

3) He can actually make an impact on climate change cuz he's on the boards of Google and Apple.


Neither of those are exactly smog-belching factory companies.

Now, if he was on the board of BP or something, then we could talk about making an impact on climate change.

Dennis Kucinich
1) Withdraw from Iraq
2) End war on drugs
3) Defends social security
4) Universal health care

I like him the most, but he doesn't have a real chance as far as I'm aware.

Bill Richardson is probably my favorite candidate with a chance of winning. He has plenty of experience diplomatically working for the Clinton adminstration, and as governor of a border state he'd have plenty of credibility when talking about immigration matters. He also managed to cut taxes as governor, which would go over pretty well in the general election (even more so than the primary).

Hillary Clinton

1) End Iraq War
2) Most Qualified
3) Female
4) Bill as First Gentleman
5) Bring back National Health care

Love Conquers Fear !

No charity gets enough in donations to take over the part of the government in helping the poor. The end.

It doesn't matter if they get enough or not, because the point is that forcing people to for the poor is absolutely morally and ethically wrong. How can anyone justify taking money from some by force and giving it to others? Yes, the poor may need help, but people can choose to help them, not be forced into helping them.

Satan.

1.) Legalize human sacrifice
2.) Launch a "War on Christianity" to replace the "War on Drugs"
3.) HE WILL FUCKING TORCH YOU IF YE DO NOT OBEY.

Hillary Clinton

1) End Iraq War
2) Most Qualified
3) Female
4) Bill as First Gentleman
5) Bring back National Health care

Love Conquers Fear !

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I also think it's quite juvenile to vote for her just because she's female. Hillary can go kick rocks.

Frankly, Richardson looks like the only decent candidate that's running. That's not saying much when you have Bush's bed buddies like Giuliani, McCain and Ban em all Hillary as the opposition. As for Ron Paul, he doesn't have a chance in getting past the primaries, and I am thankful for that at least.

So Bill Richardson it is
1. Iraq - withdraw from this mess
2. Pro Choice, Pro stem cell research
3. Healthcare - open up the FEHBP

They are ALL fools. Each one. The Democrats stand there pretending that Iraq is a weekend party they can leave at will when they each know that if elected it won't be that simple. The Republicans make huge issues out of who is most against gay marriage while ignoring the more important issues of reducing the size of our behemoth federal government.

WTF!!!!

They are ALL fucking nimrods. I would gladly vote for anyone who promises to end the march towards big government in all forms.

Fuck gay marriage -- I don't give a shit whay organs Kelly's spouse has between the legs. It sure as hell ain't a federal issue.

Fuck leaving our allies high and dry. We cannot pull out of Iraq like it is a boring party. The Iraqis have hardly acted in any dignified manner and they hardly deserve the gift we gave them when we took out Saddam. We never should have gotten involved in law enforcement there. I say we put in a few strategically located fortified bases and camp out in them. Offer any allies in their current government sanctuary outside of Iraq. Let those fuckers left behind blow each other up as much as they like. If any of those fuckers come close to one of our bases we blow them up with glee. When the dust and mayhem in Iraq finally settles we'll deal with the survivors with as much dignity as they may or may not deserve. Essentially the same as disengaging but also creating an insurance policy against a radical government setting up and having to go in and clean up a second time. Meanwhile - all the terrorists are busy blowing each other up in Iraq instead of targeting the US. If the rest of the world does not like it then let THEM go in there and get blowed up.

Find a candidate who belives all those things and I will vote for them.

have you actually read the fair tax plan? no? didn't think so.

the poor will not pay any taxes that they are not paying now, due to the monthly check they will get from the government. They will no longer have to pay things like social security tax and medicare tax out of their checks which gives them more money to do things like buy food and pay the electric bill.

Food that will be taxed at triple the current rate. How is that not "taxes they are not paying now?"

It doesn't matter if they get enough or not, because the point is that forcing people to for the poor is absolutely morally and ethically wrong. How can anyone justify taking money from some by force and giving it to others? Yes, the poor may need help, but people can choose to help them, not be forced into helping them.

And is it ethical and moral to allow the poor to starve or die of easily treatable illnesses while the rich enjoy lives of comfort?

When a millionaire has to wait a few more months to buy his third yacht, no one dies.
I guess it all boils down to what you value more, money or human life. You have the distinction of being of the same opinion as most Americans that ever bother to think about such things. Congratulations.

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Looks like we've got a political genius in our midst. I applaud your sound strategy for Iraq and your keen understanding of domestic policy.

My Mammoth tanks say otherwise.

Your Mammy can't stop a Nuke Beacon planted by my SBH - and if you get out and try to disarm it I'll just run your sorry ass over with your precious Mammy.

It's way too early to tell. Most of the independent hopefuls don't have the funds or resources to begin campaigning this early.

By the way, since my first vote in the 1992 election, I have yet to vote for a Democrat and a Republican. Not that I would never do so, but I vote for the best candidate, not the one I think will win. I don't get prizes in the mail for picking the winner. ;)

I started voting in the same election and same here. Except I have yet to vote for a democrat OR a republican.

Looks like we've got a political genius in our midst. I applaud your sound strategy for Iraq and your keen understanding of domestic policy.
Thank you. It is nice to be recognized by people capable of thinking beyond the simple soundbites fed to them by hypocritital politicians bent only on the aquisition of power.

And is it ethical and moral to allow the poor to starve or die of easily treatable illnesses while the rich enjoy lives of comfort?

When a millionaire has to wait a few more months to buy his third yacht, no one dies.
I guess it all boils down to what you value more, money or human life. You have the distinction of being of the same opinion as most Americans that ever bother to think about such things. Congratulations.


Yet one more person who has bought so far into the lie that they have lost all cognitive abilities and can only make pathetic emotional appeals. Money vs life - what bullshit. Like they are mutually exclusive.

Apparently you have never heard of medicaid and medicare. Otherwise you'd know your argument is completely baseless and pointless. aka - pathetic.

Food that will be taxed at triple the current rate. How is that not "taxes they are not paying now?"

You didn't read it either huh?

Fair Tax Plan does include refunds for all of the money that you spend on essentials, like food, shelter, medicine, etc.

I guess it all boils down to what you value more, money or human life. You have the distinction of being of the same opinion as most Americans that ever bother to think about such things. Congratulations.

What I value more is freedom. The freedom to spend the money you earn as you see fit, be it helping the poor or buying your third yacht. It is up to individuals to decide if they wish to be part of helping the poor, or doing something else. It is not up to the state to decide how I or anyone else spends their money.

Thank you. It is nice to be recognized by people capable of thinking beyond the simple soundbites fed to them but hypocritital politicians bent only on the aquisition of power.
You are more than welcome.
Yet one more person who has bought so far into the lie that they have lost all cognitive abilities and can only make pathetic emotional appeals. Money vs life - what bullshit. Like they are mutually exclusive.
Sometimes, as in this case, they are. Also, there is nothing wrong with an appeal to human emotion as a means of argument as long as it is done rationally. I did not site a specific case, only referenced a situation and operated from the idea that human life is (for lack of a better term) sacred, which to me, is as functional as it is emotional. I could explain that to you, but I doubt you'd either understand or care.
Apparently you have never heard of medicaid and medicare. Otherwise you'd know your argument is completely baseless and pointless. aka - pathetic.
The people I'm arguing with wish to see an end to both of those programs, actually, and indeed all components of the federal Welfare State. And, by the by, there are tens of millions of Americans who do not have regular access to preventive healthcare, which in the end costs the taxpayer more when they end up paying emergency treatment for those people.
If humanism isn't your thing, there's always that.

Find a candidate who belives all those things and I will vote for them.

Most republican candidates support staying in Iraq till the bitter end, and I'm sure at least one of them doesn't care about gay marriage.

You didn't read it either huh?

Fair Tax Plan does include refunds for all of the money that you spend on essentials, like food, shelter, medicine, etc.

Then why tax them?

You didn't read it either huh?

Fair Tax Plan does include refunds for all of the money that you spend on essentials, like food, shelter, medicine, etc.
Really, cut it out. Your kind of people have never cared about the poor, and you certainly can't expect me to believe that you've all suddenly become a bunch of humanitarians.
If you want to flaunt your ridiculous tax plan, then at least do so with the things that genuinely attracted you to it.

Then why tax them?
Because they might forget to or very likely won't be able to file for the refunds.
All the money from taxing the poor with the appearance of being charitable.

Most republican candidates support staying in Iraq till the bitter end, and I'm sure at least one of them doesn't care about gay marriage.

exactly my point. They are as stupid as the democrats.

exactly my point. They are as stupid as the democrats.

Aren't those EXACTLY the qualifications you wanted? For them not to think that the human rights of individuals you don't like is a federal issue and the determination to stay in an unjust, illegal, lost war?

AFIK food is not taxed. Shelter is not taxed. Medicine is not taxed.

Currently there is an earned income credit which is intended to replace the tax anyone under certain incomes pays on any other needs. Automobiles, gas, cigarettes, porno, etc.

Aren't those EXACTLY the qualifications you wanted? For them not to think that the human rights of individuals you don't like is a federal issue and the determination to stay in an unjust, illegal, lost war?

Wow - you are quite invested in the democrat party line! If I disagree with you I MUST want them. Those eeeeviiill wepublicans!!!

Nope - the democrats are just as stupid as the Republicans. They too spend too much time acting like I care what organs a couple has. I - don't - give - a - shit ! They pretend like Iraq is like a boring day in the park and they can pack up the sedan and drive away. We can't. Sorry. It is just as much bullshit. And those are just two of the red-herring issues both parties are trying to distract you with. Sorry you have the hook so firmly set in your lip. Good luck.

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Really, cut it out. Your kind of people have never cared about the poor, and you certainly can't expect me to believe that you've all suddenly become a bunch of humanitarians.
If you want to flaunt your ridiculous tax plan, then at least do so with the things that genuinely attracted you to it.

If were going to get rational here, then we might want to remember that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of property" (Jefferson changed Locke's original writing just enough to not get fined for plagiarism [joke]) are very rationally based and are inextricably intertwined. Taking someones property to re-distribute it is legalized theft. what you invest your time, effort, skill and money into is an extension of yourself. Taking money from my $70,000 salary, which I earn only because of my investment of money and 6 years of time studying to get an MB, only to hand out to someone who has no incentive to work as hard, is stealing. socialism sounds nice on paper, but it doesn't work out so nice in reality. it makes people lazy as they rationally find that they don't have to work as hard when they ride on the coattails of the industrious. socialism is an affront to liberty.

consequentially...GO RON PAUL!!!