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...school called cops because a pupil was wearing a pentagram? and they actually showed up?!?! http://www.skeptictank.org/gen1/gen00221.htm

"In early May, Henkel said he and Helenia Mitchell were called into the principal's office, where they faced Brown, an assistant principal and two uniformed police officers. Henkel said Brown accused him and Mitchell of putting up posters promoting Wicca without permission, as required by school policies

Henkel and Mitchell said they denied putting up the posters or that they are Wiccans. But Henkel questioned why the Wicca posters should be removed when posters advertising a Christian missionary's sermon at a local church earlier in the year had been allowed to remain up for weeks.

Henkel contends that when he asked Brown if Christians had more rights to post such materials than non-Christians, the answer was yes"

It's hard to decide which is worse: being the antagonists, or being fed to lions. :confused:

What an unpleasant group of people.

I think their should be a "tolerance test" to see if you should be allowed to hold power. For example, if you check "Most Satanists want to burn down churches", or, perhaps, "Wiccans are the same as satanists" or "Christians should have more rights than wiccans" you are prohibited from having any power beyond the level of burger flipper.

I posted a thread about this 6 years ago. Since then, the two kids have become serial killers; The principal was promoted to a high level position in the Bush administration; The officers responding to the scene eventually came out of the closet and married. They now live in Denmark.

...school called cops because a pupil was wearing a pentagram? and they actually showed up?!?!would you rather the cops not come when called?

I posted a thread about this 6 years ago. Since then, the two kids have become serial killers; The principal was promoted to a high level position in the Bush administration; The officers responding to the scene eventually came out of the closet and married. They now live in Denmark.

And now you know the rest of the story.

would you rather the cops not come when called?
School: "Hi, there is a student, here at the school, they.. they.. are wearing a pentagram..."
Police: "Holy shit, we'll be right there!"

It should have went like this..
School: "Hi, there is a student, here at the school, they.. they.. are wearing a pentagram..."
Police: "Call us when you have a real fucking threat to report." *click*

would you rather the cops not come when called?

good point.

multi was assuming that the school told the cops what was going on and that the cops have the option of not showing up.

would you rather the cops not come when called?

I'd rather the cops realized when someone was clearly reporting something that's not a real threat. "ZOMG! They're wearing a pentagram! THEY'LL MURDER US ALL!!!"

Really, it's even stupider than calling the cops because someone's wearing a long coat. I'm sure that's happened before.

Like, that was SO seven years ago.

School: "Hi, there is a student, here at the school, they.. they.. are wearing a pentagram..."
Police: "Holy shit, we'll be right there!"

It should have went like this..
School: "Hi, there is a student, here at the school, they.. they.. are wearing a pentagram..."
Police: "Call us when you have a real fucking threat to report." *click*

I'd rather the cops realized when someone was clearly reporting something that's not a real threat. "ZOMG! They're wearing a pentagram! THEY'LL MURDER US ALL!!!"

Really, it's even stupider than calling the cops because someone's wearing a long coat. I'm sure that's happened before.or it could've been...

Principal: Hello? This is Principal Brown from [can't be bothered to look up school], I would like to request two uniformed officers to stop by.
Dispatch: Is there a problem?
Principal: No, but there might be. I would like them present to prevent any trouble.
Dispatch: we'll send a squad car down.

so the officers may not have been told why but only "there might be some trouble with some students I need to disipline..." again, would you rather the Police not come when called?

Like, that was SO seven years ago.
Like, Totally, fer shure.

Like, that was SO seven years ago.

Yes, and in those seven years, we have all become so much more enlightened that no one is ever descriminated against due to having different beliefs. It should be noted that christians especially no longer descriminate against non-christians. :rolleyes:

We Satanists (and the Wiccans too, I am sure) are truly grateful that we are now considered to be individual persons, not the child-stealing, animal-sacrificing cultists we were once seen as.

I'd rather the cops realized when someone was clearly reporting something that's not a real threat. "ZOMG! They're wearing a pentagram! THEY'LL MURDER US ALL!!!"

Really, it's even stupider than calling the cops because someone's wearing a long coat. I'm sure that's happened before.

all calls to the police should be taken seriously even if the situation doesn't seem so threatening. if the cops didn't show up and something were to happen there would be an out cry of the cops not doing their jobs.

i know from personal experience that a cop will show up even if you explain on the phone that you did not intend on dialing the number but did it on mistake. they do so to cover their asses and make sure nothing is happening

Yes, and in those seven years, we have all become so much more enlightened that no one is ever descriminated against due to having different beliefs. It should be noted that christians especially no longer descriminate against non-christians. :rolleyes:

We Satanists (and the Wiccans too, I am sure) are truly grateful that we are now considered to be individual persons, not the child-stealing, animal-sacrificing cultists we were once seen as.

;) Didn't you know, Jim, that some fundamentalist Christians think Catholics are devil worshippers? and that the OMG Jewz use babies' blood to make matzohs? ;)

Seriously, should have been a 1st Amendment lawsuit on this one.

We Satanists (and the Wiccans too, I am sure) are truly grateful that we are now considered to be individual persons, not the child-stealing, animal-sacrificing cultists we were once seen as.

May I brag about my acceptance of other's views?

I hope you said yes, 'cause I'm gonna do it anyway:


I think their should be a "tolerance test" to see if you should be allowed to hold power. For example, if you check "Most Satanists want to burn down churches", or, perhaps, "Wiccans are the same as satanists" or "Christians should have more rights than wiccans" you are prohibited from having any power beyond the level of burger flipper.

Seriously, I don't see how believing in the female ideal dude/Evil under the earth dude/Hammer throwing bearded thunder dude/spear throwing war dude/crook carrying dead dude/etc is that much weirder than believing in hands-free sky dude.

Yes, and in those seven years, we have all become so much more enlightened that no one is ever descriminated against due to having different beliefs. It should be noted that christians especially no longer descriminate against non-christians. :rolleyes:

We Satanists (and the Wiccans too, I am sure) are truly grateful that we are now considered to be individual persons, not the child-stealing, animal-sacrificing cultists we were once seen as.

Don't think yer off the hook. I've still got me eyes on you, SAY-TAHNNNnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!11!!1!!!!2

*glares menacingly through a plexiglass Bible*

What's ironic is that back in my high school, we had Wiccans, Buddhist, Atheist, and Agnostic advertise actual clubs, and no one ever saw a problem with it, and this is in the South. Baptist did complain, but the school administrator just disregarded them.

;) Didn't you know, Jim, that some fundamentalist Christians think Catholics are devil worshippers? and that the OMG Jewz use babies' blood to make matzohs? ;)

Seriously, should have been a 1st Amendment lawsuit on this one.

Kat, I was raised in by a fundie southern baptist father until I was 11. I KNOW everyone is going to Hell.:p

*since I will be one of the staff when I get there, anyone wishing to bribe me for better lake-of-fire front dwellings may do so at any time.*:D

all calls to the police should be taken seriously even if the situation doesn't seem so threatening.

"Oh, mr. policeman, that woman is wearing pants! She could be concealing a gun! Come here!"

May I brag about my acceptance of other's views?

I hope you said yes, 'cause I'm gonna do it anyway:



Seriously, I don't see how believing in the female ideal dude/Evil under the earth dude/Hammer throwing bearded thunder dude/spear throwing war dude/crook carrying dead dude/etc is that much weirder than believing in hands-free sky dude.

No You may not.

Don't think yer off the hook. I've still got me eyes on you, SAY-TAHNNNnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!11!!1!!!!2

*glares menacingly through a plexiglass Bible*

*moons*

would you rather the cops not come when called?

Yeh when it's something so ridiculous. Would you rather the cops responded to a call about a "group of green-looking people from outer space who were made of plasticine 3 minutes ago 'cuz i read a magic spell i found in a Harry Potter Book and now they're trying to beat me to death with rolled-up newspaper that looks like a giant sausage and is made of apples" while you're dying of a gunshot wound because the cops are busy dealing with stupidity?

Kat, I was raised in by a fundie southern baptist father until I was 11. I KNOW everyone is going to Hell.:p

*since I will be one of the staff when I get there, anyone wishing to bribe me for better lake-of-fire front dwellings may do so at any time.*:D

Any chance you can get me in a spot near the women section?

No You may not.

Tough, I did it already.

;) Didn't you know, Jim, that some fundamentalist Christians think Catholics are devil worshippers?
We aren't? :confused:

and that the OMG Jewz use babies' blood to make matzohs? ;)
Just for texture. ;)

Seriously, should have been a 1st Amendment lawsuit on this one.
QFT.

or it could've been...

Principal: Hello? This is Principal Brown from [can't be bothered to look up school], I would like to request two uniformed officers to stop by.
Dispatch: Is there a problem?
Principal: No, but there might be. I would like them present to prevent any trouble.
Dispatch: we'll send a squad car down.

so the officers may not have been told why but only "there might be some trouble with some students I need to disipline..." again, would you rather the Police not come when called?


Like, Totally, fer shure.

Any sensible cop would ask what the supposed possible problem might be and the person phoning would have to answer... eg. "I think someone may be about to attack the school" or whatever and then get done for wasting police time by talking a load of bollocks

Yeh when it's something so ridiculous. Would you rather the cops responded to a call about a "group of green-looking people from outer space who were made of plasticine 3 minutes ago 'cuz i read a magic spell i found in a Harry Potter Book and now they're trying to beat me to death with rolled-up newspaper that looks like a giant sausage and is made of apples" while you're dying of a gunshot wound because the cops are busy dealing with stupidity?

your town must have a very small police force.

they don't have to send out the entire squad to check out a call. all it takes is one cop to take 10 minutes out of his traffic sting operation to check on a call if it was real he would be there longer. if it turns out to be fake depending on where you are it can result in fines and you can rest well knowing the cops are doing their jobs.

all calls to the police should be taken seriously even if the situation doesn't seem so threatening. if the cops didn't show up and something were to happen there would be an out cry of the cops not doing their jobs.

i know from personal experience that a cop will show up even if you explain on the phone that you did not intend on dialing the number but did it on mistake. they do so to cover their asses and make sure nothing is happening

Well usually, yes. But 1, the cops remained waiting for the pupil instead of going away when they realised there was no need to be there, and 2, even though they should have came just to check stuff out, I once phoned 112 by accident from a landline phone (i meant to phone 123 - speaking clock) and they didn't show up after I explained.

But then British cops don't seem to have a good track record for showing up at real emergencies either.

*moons*

So be it. You make me sad. :(

So be it. You make me sad. :(

Read that plexiglass bible of yours. I hear that it helps.

Read that plexiglass bible of yours. I hear that it helps.

Read a plexiglass Bible? How would you propose I do that. I mean, as if it was anything more than a vaguely bible-shaped brick of plexiglass, hardly any actual pages.

And to think, people call fundies dumb...

your town must have a very small police force.

they don't have to send out the entire squad to check out a call. all it takes is one cop to take 10 minutes out of his traffic sting operation to check on a call if it was real he would be there longer. if it turns out to be fake depending on where you are it can result in fines and you can rest well knowing the cops are doing their jobs.

It doesn't matter if you have a massive police force - police deal with a lot more incidents than you apparently think (except, as stated above, when you really need them in some cases). Every cop messing about with a ridiculous call is one cop that can't deal with something more important. That's why you learn in school not to make hoax calls to the emergency services.

"Oh, mr. policeman, that woman is wearing pants! She could be concealing a gun! Come here!"

Yeh when it's something so ridiculous. Would you rather the cops responded to a call about a "group of green-looking people from outer space who were made of plasticine 3 minutes ago 'cuz i read a magic spell i found in a Harry Potter Book and now they're trying to beat me to death with rolled-up newspaper that looks like a giant sausage and is made of apples" while you're dying of a gunshot wound because the cops are busy dealing with stupidity?I tell you what, if your paper has a police blog, I suggest you really, really read them.

yes, cops have to respond to calls like
"The television program is showing someone being murdered... do something."
"the neighbors Dog is in my yard pooping again."

so even if they ask and are told what the problem is, they still have to go down there.

That's why prank calls to 911 or any emergency services including police, is a serious offense.


Did I say that the officers were needed? no. but they still have to respond.
Did I say the principal was right? no. he wasn't.

and multiland, any sensible cop would still go when called. because if anything goes wrong, the Police cannot be sued for ciminal negligence because they didn't respond to that call. It's only the stupid ones that won't go because they 'think' that the situation doesn't warrent an officer's presence baised only by what they hear.

yes, cops have to respond to calls like
"The television program is showing someone being murdered... do something."
Don't think so there.

yes, cops have to respond to calls like
"The television program is showing someone being murdered... do something."

That's the FCC...

Well usually, yes. But 1, the cops remained waiting for the pupil instead of going away when they realised there was no need to be there, and 2, even though they should have came just to check stuff out, I once phoned 112 by accident from a landline phone (i meant to phone 123 - speaking clock) and they didn't show up after I explained.

Then that is British cops and their SOP.

Normally American Officers will stay untill they are CERTAIN, not of the opinion, not fairly sure, but certain that there will not be any trouble.

That's the FCC...
no, that was an actual call to the police.

the dispatcher tried to tell the person that it was make beleive and still had to send an officer down to explain how the television worked.

stupid, but it happens.

I tell you what, if your paper has a police blog, I suggest you really, really read them.

yes, cops have to respond to calls like
"The television program is showing someone being murdered... do something."
"the neighbors Dog is in my yard pooping again."

so even if they ask and are told what the problem is, they still have to go down there.

That's why prank calls to 911 or any emergency services including police, is a serious offense.


Did I say that the officers were needed? no. but they still have to respond.
Did I say the principal was right? no. he wasn't.

and multiland, any sensible cop would still go when called. because if anything goes wrong, the Police cannot be sued for ciminal negligence because they didn't respond to that call. It's only the stupid ones that won't go because they 'think' that the situation doesn't warrent an officer's presence baised only by what they hear.

I'm not saying that cops shouldn't respond to calls. I'm saying that 1, they shouldn't respond to ones that are OBVIOUSLY a load of bollocks (green people who've came alive from plasticine and are now from outer space and made of apples... if it was "aliens" are attacking me then it would be dif - the person could be confused, or maybe they really are aliens) and that 2, if they do feel the need to respond, when they are faced with a load of bollocks they should stop dealing with the non-incident

Don't think so there.

Except I spoke to that officer who was sent there. He couldn't believe it and ended up telling her "we'll investigate it Ma'am." just to get out of there. He ended up telling her that it was recorded from another country and so it's their jurisdiction and their police would handle it.

Except I spoke to that officer who was sent there. He couldn't believe it and ended up telling her "we'll investigate it Ma'am." just to get out of there. He ended up telling her that it was recorded from another country and so it's their jurisdiction and their police would handle it.

OMFG. Was this person from Kazakhstan by any chance? Or some other country where they don't have TV's / police / murders / other trappings of civilised Western culture?

Not a huge suprise. My school chose the same route, but banned the Christian stuff too. They tried to make a Christian club by calling in the Body of Beleivers, but when a couple students who professed beleif in the Flying Spaghetti Monster attended, and were kicked out, the school closed the club.

I deny all responsibility for the aforementioned prank. I was merely along for the ride...

Quick question: Why doesn't this kind of crap come out in the news more often? I SERIOUSLY doubt it's because "it doesn't happen", because I'm fairly sure that it DOES.

Not a huge suprise. My school chose the same route, but banned the Christian stuff too. They tried to make a Christian club by calling in the Body of Beleivers, but when a couple students who professed beleif in the Flying Spaghetti Monster attended, and were kicked out, the school closed the club.

I deny all responsibility for the aforementioned prank. I was merely along for the ride...

I will respect your belief of having been Touched By His Noodly Appendage if you respect my occultist ones. ;)

Except I spoke to that officer who was sent there. He couldn't believe it and ended up telling her "we'll investigate it Ma'am." just to get out of there. He ended up telling her that it was recorded from another country and so it's their jurisdiction and their police would handle it.
Obviously police in bumfuck nowhere having nothing better to do than respond to calls by deranged people who should be taking their schizophrenia/dementia pills

would you rather the cops not come when called?

For a BS problem like this ... Yes

For a BS problem like this ... Yes
If I called the cops and told them there was a guy with a pentagram on his shirt with the word "Equality" under it, I would be disappointed if they came.

If I told them something that should serious and they came and found guy with a pentagram on his shirt with the word "Equality" under it, I would hope to be charged with filing a false report and wasting the police's time.

If I called the cops and told them there was a guy with a pentagram on his shirt with the word "Equality" under it, I would be disappointed if they came.

If I told them something that should serious and they came and found guy with a pentagram on his shirt with the word "Equality" under it, I would hope to be charged with filing a false report and wasting the police's time.

Well said. There is no excuse for stupidity of that level.

I support anyone's right to practice whatever religion they want to, whether it's Christians, Buddhist, Wiccans, and even Satanist, and I'll defend their right to practice those religion. So, in a nutshell, I'm pretty damn sure I'm going to Hell according to some Christians denomination. :D

I wonder if I should support people's right to pratice Scientology though... hmm...

I support anyone's right to practice whatever religion they want to, whether it's Christians, Buddhist, Wiccans, and even Satanist, and I'll defend their right to practice those religion. So, in a nutshell, I'm pretty damn sure I'm going to Hell according to some Christians denomination. :D

I wonder if I should support people's right to pratice Scientology though... hmm...
I'm pretty sure everyone's going to hell according to at least one Christian denomination.

and even Satanist

What's so horrible about Satanism?

From what I've heard, Satanism isn't exactly the worst religion ever. (I have, however, heard it's histories described as something along the lines of "Fucking hilarious")

If I recall, satanism doesn't have anything to do with satan, it is more like a religious committal to narcissism.

What's so horrible about Satanism?

From what I've heard, Satanism isn't exactly the worst religion ever. (I have, however, heard it's histories described as something along the lines of "Fucking hilarious")

Well, there's satanism, the bogeyman of the past couple hundred years, and they're Satanism as made popular by Anton LaVey. Two entirely different things, completely unrelated to one another. Satanists don't even believe in Satan, it's merely a form of self-worship and narcissism that involves lots of strange and somewhat funny-looking rituals.

"Noes, the evil wiccans is putting up posters! Call the police before they steal mah soul! Noes, they be stealin mah soul!






Mah soul. I mournz it."

That's right kids, the prescence of wiccans will turn true believers into lolruses.

What's so horrible about Satanism?

From what I've heard, Satanism isn't exactly the worst religion ever. (I have, however, heard it's histories described as something along the lines of "Fucking hilarious")

If I recall, satanism doesn't have anything to do with satan, it is more like a religious committal to narcissism.

Well, there's satanism, the bogeyman of the past couple hundred years, and they're Satanism as made popular by Anton LaVey. Two entirely different things, completely unrelated to one another. Satanists don't even believe in Satan, it's merely a form of self-worship and narcissism that involves lots of strange and somewhat funny-looking rituals.

Yep, that sounds like us.:D

"Noes, the evil wiccans is putting up posters! Call the police before they steal mah soul! Noes, they be stealin mah soul!






Mah soul. I mournz it."

That's right kids, the prescence of wiccans will turn true believers into lolruses.

lolruses? That sounds like fun! :)

Yep, that sounds like us.:D

Another Satanist on General! w00t!

Oh, and I agree, that does sound like us.