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Giant prehistoric penguins!

Zarakon
26-06-2007, 18:03
This...is...the...most...awesome...thing...ever...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/37392703.html

Giant Penguins Once Roamed Peru Desert, Fossils Show
Anne Minard
for National Geographic News
June 25, 2007

Penguins about the size of humans roamed South America some 35 million years ago, and they didn't need ice to survive.

That's the result of a new study by North Carolina State University paleontologist Julia Clarke and her colleagues. (See a picture gallery of the giant penguin finds.)

The study, which appears in this week's issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, unveils two new species of giant penguins from fossils unearthed in Peru's Atacama Desert.

The discovery pushes the date of penguin migration to equatorial regions back more than 30 million years, to one of the warmest periods of the last 65 million years.

The find also casts doubt on climate as the main factor in penguins' choice of habitat through history.

"The public is very familiar with the image of penguins and icebergs," Clarke said.

Today's penguins are cold-adapted and therefore at grave risk from global warming, she said, but the new fossils suggest that hasn't always been true.

(Clarke's research was funded by the National Geographic Society's Expeditions Council. National Geographic News is a division of the National Geographic Society.)

People-Size Penguins

The new study describes two new species of penguins from fossils, including the first complete skull from an ancient giant penguin.

That species, which the authors say lived in Peru about 36 million years ago, is the third largest penguin known and stood about 4.5 feet (1.5 meters) tall.

The other, dating to 42 million years, was about three feet (a meter) tall, which is comparable to the today's second largest living penguin, the king penguin.

Most modern penguins in South America are 2 feet (0.6 meter) tall or less.

(See a penguins photo gallery.)

Clarke said it's counterintuitive that some of the biggest penguin fossils were found in the lower latitudes, closer to the Equator. The commonly accepted belief has it that larger animals live in colder conditions closer to the Poles.

The study also describes the first complete skull of a giant penguin, which provided a tantalizing glimpse into ancient penguin lifestyle.

Differences in the flipper also suggest variations in the animals' walking and swimming styles, compared with modern penguins, Clarke said.

The neck and skull of the ancient species were connected with different arrangements of muscle, and their beaks were a foot (0.3 meter) long.

"It doesn't scale," Clarke said of the beak. "It's really pointed, and there's this texturing on the bone, a horny sheath. My speculation is that they're eating fish, using some kind of spearfishing."

Cooler Than They Used to Be

Scientists had previously believed that penguins migrated to northern South America during a cold era between four and eight million years ago.

But the new fossils, which Clarke analyzed with colleagues in the U.S. and Peru, are from a warm period more than 30 million years earlier.

(Read related story: "World's Oldest Penguin Fossils Suggest Birds Outlived Dinos" [April 11, 2006].)

The finding counters another theory published last year suggesting that today's penguins diversified all over the Earth during a cooling period.

Ewan Fordyce, head of the geology department at the University of Otago, New Zealand, said the new results shed light on penguin "structure, history, and lifestyles during an interval that is not well sampled."

He believes the study opens a door for more studies of marine vertebrates and their responses to climate change.

"For so long," he said, "people have viewed evolution and extinction as driven by classical biological interactions, such as competition.

"With the rise of plate tectonic views of the Earth, we are rapidly gaining an appreciation of physical driving forces, such as climate change and change in ocean circulation."

In the case of the penguins, ocean circulation patterns may have been more influential than global temperature in allowing the giant historical birds to inhabit equatorial regions.

Clarke and her colleagues have proposed that cold-water upwelling off the Peruvian coast may have benefited the penguins, either by providing colder waters or by providing nutrient-rich waters with high amounts of food.

The authors stressed that while the giant penguins of yesteryear may have thrived in warmer climates, modern penguins are cold adapted and quite vulnerable to warming.

(See an interactive map of the effects of global warming.)

"What we think is important to recognize is that for a very large early part of their history, they didn't have that constraint [to colder climates]," Clarke said.

"Whatever ecologies and limitations we see in living species, it's important not to attribute those to every part of that species' history."

Also, here's an artist impression from National Geographic

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/photogalleries/giant-penguins/images/primary/penguin_461.jpg
SaintB
26-06-2007, 18:06
Teanage Mutant Ninja Penguins???
Zarakon
26-06-2007, 18:08
Teanage Mutant Ninja Penguins???

The Artist's impression looks homicidal.
Ifreann
26-06-2007, 18:09
This is further evidence that pirates are descended from penguins.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/pirate20penguins.gif
Vespertilia
26-06-2007, 18:11
Were they related to the ones from Mountains of Madness?
The Potato Factory
26-06-2007, 18:14
I'm convinced that half of the prehistoric animals are just crap made up by experts for a laugh.
Khadgar
26-06-2007, 18:17
Clearly the Penguin mob's enforcers.
JuNii
26-06-2007, 18:20
An electric penguin, twenty feet high, with long green tentacles that sting people, and you can stab it in the wings and the blood can go spurting psssssshhhh in slow motion.
Kryozerkia
26-06-2007, 18:24
The Artist's impression looks homicidal.

It looks more like a pelican with a penguin body... nature's sidekick freak to the platypuss.
Waharia
26-06-2007, 18:24
Nice reference.


What's on the telly then?

Looks like a penguin.
JuNii
26-06-2007, 18:26
Nice reference.


What's on the telly then?

Looks like a penguin.
wow... 4 minuites... I'm impressed!

*Gives Cookie to Waharia*
Rubiconic Crossings
26-06-2007, 18:34
Hmmmm maybe there is something strange in the water in South America...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6313741.stm

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b223/DarkSyd/titansk.jpg

Titanis walleri
Zarakon
26-06-2007, 18:34
It looks more like a pelican with a penguin body... nature's sidekick freak to the platypuss.


http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2003/11/20/breathed/story.jpg
Szanth
26-06-2007, 19:29
Yeah, if I saw that animal today, I would be scared. I would have to kill it, or I would never be able to sleep again.
JuNii
26-06-2007, 19:35
http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2003/11/20/breathed/story.jpg

thanks for reminding me about the BLOOM COUNTY storyline about Penguine Evolution. :p
Zarakon
26-06-2007, 19:40
thanks for reminding me about the BLOOM COUNTY storyline about Penguine Evolution. :p

I don't think I remember that one.
Cannot think of a name
26-06-2007, 19:48
Was it made extinct by a giant sized bat that kept foiling its criminal plans?







Ugh, that really was the best I could do...I just woke up...
JuNii
26-06-2007, 20:06
I don't think I remember that one.

Loose Tails. Pg 34, 7 strips. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Tails)
Northern Borders
26-06-2007, 21:21
Were they related to the ones from Mountains of Madness?

That was my first though too.
Arcticity
26-06-2007, 21:24
This just proves penguins ruled the world once, and they we'll rule again!

Long Live the Penguin Revolution!:p
Sane Outcasts
26-06-2007, 21:26
That was my first though too.

Weird. My first thought was, "If I could clone them and attach lasers to their heads, I would have an unstoppable army of prehistoric giant penguins!".

Guess that's just me, though.
CthulhuFhtagn
27-06-2007, 04:02
An electric penguin, twenty feet high, with long green tentacles that sting people, and you can stab it in the wings and the blood can go spurting psssssshhhh in slow motion.

...

I think I love you.
South Lizasauria
27-06-2007, 04:19
Happy feet anyone? ;)
Marrakech II
27-06-2007, 04:30
It is interesting that they existed before the southern ice sheet existed. Antarctica as we know it only formed ice 34 mill years ago. The arctic is only 3-5 million years old. Before that the Earth had no ice cover and these penguins were around that we associate with lands of ice. I say cool...
Lord Raug
27-06-2007, 04:41
I knew the penguins were out to take over the world, but would anyone listen NOOOOO because penguins are cute and only live where it is cold. But now I have proof because there is a race of super penguins.

Yes lets see them ignore me now. muhahaha
Murderous maniacs
27-06-2007, 05:03
I knew the penguins were out to take over the world, but would anyone listen NOOOOO because penguins are cute and only live where it is cold. But now I have proof because there is a race of super penguins.

Yes lets see them ignore me now. muhahaha

actually, they've been planted here by the puchuu in order for them to more easily infiltrate our society and take over the world. then again, they're so cute, i don't think i could stop them...
Szanth
27-06-2007, 21:14
...

I think I love you.

So what am I so afraid of?
New Manvir
27-06-2007, 21:18
Beware the Penguins!!! They will rise up to defeat us Humans in...MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!! They're on the march!!! (http://www.teachwithmovies.org/guides/march-of-penguins-dvd-cover.jpg)
Londim
27-06-2007, 21:49
Damn man sized penguins coming in stealing our jobs and women! :p

Anyway I just want someone to find a group that survived. Now that would be funny.
Sel Appa
27-06-2007, 23:05
I want one.
Anthil
28-06-2007, 10:34
Thought for a moment it was the name of a new rock group.
Hobabwe
28-06-2007, 11:51
Damn man sized penguins coming in stealing our jobs and women! :p

*points at Londim* Thay took y'r jub
Troglobites
28-06-2007, 11:56
We came to take your fish and steal your women.
The Ivory Jaguar
28-06-2007, 14:31
Hmmm....

Penguins about the size of humans roamed South America some 35 million years ago, and they didn't need ice to survive.

Clearly the way to fight global warming is to clone giant penguins so they can once again roam South America.