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If my knowledge of civics serves me correctly, a member of the legislative branch cannot simultaneously hold office in the executive branch. What Cheney has proposed is indeed quite a dilemma, but to me, his assertion seems to ring true. Since Cheney can cast a vote in the legislative branch, he is precluded from being part of the executive branch and thus must solely hold legislative power. But, of course, I am no constitutional scholar; so, how do you feel about this? Poll coming.

Aww ****! Discount exactly 1 vote from the legislative option from the poll.

Chenecy is executive no matter what way he tries to spin it. His executive powers are laid down in the constitution, and the Energy Task Force case clearly set down a clear precedent that he is a member of the executive.

The Vice President has dual membership. The original constitution is rrather vague on the role of the Vice President and the role of the Vice President has only become powerful when Nixon was Vice President to Eisenhower. Since then the role has been developed further but without little guidance from the Constitution itself.

I want the "on the front" option.

Aww ****! Discount exactly 1 vote from the legislative option from the poll.

Actually, I accidentally voted for executive, so those two mistakes cancel each other out.

His executive powers are laid down in the constitution

I've glanced through the Constitution but could find no reference to the vice president being a member of the executive branch. Can you cite the specific section in which that information appears?

I want the "on the front" option.

I'm not sure what you mean, exactly.

I just liked your thread subject. :)

Actually, I accidentally voted for executive, so those two mistakes cancel each other out.



I've glanced through the Constitution but could find no reference to the vice president being a member of the executive branch. Can you cite the specific section in which that information appears?

Article 1 Section 3
Article 2 Section 1

Interestin he appears in both the Articles concerning the Legislative and Excutive

I want the "on the front" option.

Damn I clicked on this thread specifically to post that. You stole it from me. I will have my revenge

Which Side is Dick On?

Mine is slightly to the left.

I will have my revenge
I tremble in my sandals. In wild anticipation.. ;)

What twit voted legislative? The Vice Presidency is an executive office.

And even if he tried to argue that he wasn't, he already lost that argument by pulling rank and declaring stuff he was doing obscured via executive privilege. You can't have your cake and rub it in some one else's face too.

Mine is slightly to the left.

mine too :eek:

What twit voted legislative? The Vice Presidency is an executive office.

And even if he tried to argue that he wasn't, he already lost that argument by pulling rank and declaring stuff he was doing obscured via executive privilege. You can't have your cake and rub it in some one else's face too.

Indeed. The Supreme Court ruled that Cheney could enforce executive privelege in the case dealing with his Energy Task Force. So it's already been interpreted by the judiciary that Cheney is executive.

Case closed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_06262007_520.gif

Mine is slightly to the left.

I'm gonna need a shotgun to get that image outta my head.

Mine is slightly to the left.
Well, we now know which hand you wank with.

Bah, Cheney is in the Douche branch.

Bah, Cheney is in the Douche branch.
All three...?

Front, hopefully.

And where is the "Illegal regime" option on the poll?

Morons. Seriously.

His office is created under Article 2. It gets executive funds. He's in the Cabinet. He's claimed executive privilege in the past. There are a million different ways to show that he's in the executive branch, and it doesn't even matter because he's already recognized that this order applies to him by complying with it in 2001 and 2002.

Well, we now know which hand you wank with.

Not true, mine is to the left when wearing pants and I'm right handed.

I was hoping this would be about Nixon's ghost...

I want the "on the front" option.
Bastard!
Damn I clicked on this thread specifically to post that. You stole it from me. I will have my revenge

Dittoly so.

Morons. Seriously.

His office is created under Article 2. It gets executive funds. He's in the Cabinet. He's claimed executive privilege in the past. There are a million different ways to show that he's in the executive branch, and it doesn't even matter because he's already recognized that this order applies to him by complying with it in 2001 and 2002.

Yeah. And think of all the people that believe him just because he's not one of those "liberal" muslim pro-immigrant pro-terrorist anti-american commie pinko traitors. And because they apparently all failed political science in high school.

Mine is slightly to the left.

Mine is to the right, usually. I'm right-handed, and, in politics, left-leaning.

I'm gonna need a shotgun to get that image outta my head.

Which head?

(Let this be a lesson to you: There's no disturbing image that I can't worsen.) :p

Which head?

(Let this be a lesson to you: There's no disturbing image that I can't worsen.) :p

That head has no memory, it's like the pacific.

That head has no memory, it's like the pacific.

I still made it worse. ;)

"Which side is Dick on"...

You know...

When I saw the title, I thought "Huh? It's in the middle..." :D

[edit: it seems not only me has such thoughts ^^ ]

Mine is slightly to the left.

Mine is on the right, I figure that's where all the Dicks are.

Mine is slightly to the left.

mine too :eek:

Well, we now know which hand you wank with.

Not true, mine is to the left when wearing pants and I'm right handed.

Mine is to the right, usually. I'm right-handed, and, in politics, left-leaning.

"Which side is Dick on"...

You know...

When I saw the title, I thought "Huh? It's in the middle..." :D

[edit: it seems not only me has such thoughts ^^ ]


This was just way the hell too much info.:eek:

Who clicked "judicial", and where can we find you to purge the gene pool?

Actually, I accidentally voted for executive, so those two mistakes cancel each other out.



I've glanced through the Constitution but could find no reference to the vice president being a member of the executive branch. Can you cite the specific section in which that information appears?

When not disclosing information to congressional oversight he claimed executive privelge. When not wanting to tell how he chandles classified info he claims "legislative privelge?" According to the US Constitution he is a member of the executive branch ans his only role in the legislature is to break ties. Can he propose and draft legislation? If not then he is not part of the legislative branch. Here's a link to the official government chart as made by them in regards to where Cheney fits. Link (http://bensguide.gpo.gov/files/gov_chart.pdf)

Cheney seems to be claiming he is not party to oversight from either the executive or legislative branches.
Article. II.
Section. 1.
Clause 1: The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows

Clause 2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Clause 3: The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President. (See Note 8)

Clause 4: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Clause 5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Clause 6: In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, (See Note 9) the Same shall devolve on the VicePresident, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

Clause 7: The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Clause 8: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Indeed. The Supreme Court ruled that Cheney could enforce executive privelege in the case dealing with his Energy Task Force. So it's already been interpreted by the judiciary that Cheney is executive.

Case closed.

yipee, you are correct sir. The US Supreme Court has already stated Dick Cheney is of the Executive Branch so there's no real argument. But let's send it to the courts to re-affirm and then impeach him for violating an Executive Order amongst other things.

Who clicked "judicial", and where can we find you to purge the gene pool?

It's the joke option right?

Well, I just clicked "judicial" AND "legislative", but that was the mirth speaking. He's executive. Also, F&G, LEARN to make the polls without the possibility to click more than one option. :p

Morons. Seriously.

His office is created under Article 2. It gets executive funds. He's in the Cabinet. He's claimed executive privilege in the past. There are a million different ways to show that he's in the executive branch, and it doesn't even matter because he's already recognized that this order applies to him by complying with it in 2001 and 2002.

Not really much more to add.

Does anyone else think that "Dick" is a very fitting name for the vice president?

Does anyone else think that "Dick" is a very fitting name for the vice president?

No, because that would be an insult to dicks everywhere.

I was hoping this would be about Nixon's ghost...
Well, Dick Cheney, Richard Nixon...I can see the similarity.
(Maybe it's like The Exorcist. "While innocent Richie Cheney is out hunting, his body is taken over by a spirit of unspeakable evil: Richard Nixon").

Does anyone else think that "Dick" is a very fitting name for the vice president?

Nah. You see, there are three types of people. Dicks, pussies, and assholes. And Mr. Cheney clearly just wants to shit all over everything.

Well, Dick Cheney, Richard Nixon...I can see the similarity.
(Maybe it's like The Exorcist. "While innocent Richie Cheney is out hunting, his body is taken over by a spirit of unspeakable evil: Richard Nixon").

Nixon's back!

Nixon's back!

Indeed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FiQ5tgbjGs)

He's on the Dark Side, obviously. Actually, it's possible he's an embodiment of the Dark Side.

He's on the Dark Side, obviously. Actually, it's possible he's an embodiment of the Dark Side.

That's not far off. He's certainly an embodiment of the dark side of American politics.

niether. he's a fourth branch all by himself. as grand visor to his emperial magistry, shrubery the simple, he, like his magistry are immune to the constaints of constitution and law.

er, according to them in practice, if not damd near in word and deed.

i think the remaining quiestion is: are we really expected to accept that, or is the corporate mafia pointing out that its power has been consolodated and entrenched to the point they no longer need to give a dam?

=^^=
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mine hangs slightly to the left

The American Constitution is well known for its system of "checks and balances" among "separate" and often competing branches. But scholarship on our system of government has tended to say, for the sake of clarity, that we do not have "separate" branches so much as "overlapping" branches. Each of the three branches has some powers that, if "separated," would really belong to one or both of the other two.

In technical terms, when the President exercises his veto, he exercises a legislative power: he makes a decision about what should or shouldn't become law. This is NOT in any way an executive power. It is purely legislative.

Does that make the President a member of the Legislative branch? No, it gives a member of the Executive branch some legislative power.

Does the Vice President's tie-breaking Senate vote make him a legislator? No, it makes him another executive with some legislative power.

Similar arguments can be made about Senate approval of presidential appointees (for example): appointment is an executive power, not a legislative power. When the Senate exercises its role in approving appointees, it exercises executive power. This does not make it a part of the Executive branch of government.