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According to the BBC website a survey has found out that the phrase "Law abiding majority" is a myth as the majority in fact do break the law in many petty ways.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6238090.stm

Well of course we do. The British Government has done nothing but steal my money in taxes from the day I first started earning and what do I get for it?

I don't claim benefits and think they are an excuse for the work-shy for free cash.

Ive only ever used the NHS facilities three times in 16 years.

I do not agree/support the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

So yes, whenever I get a workman in to do a job in my house I pay cash in hand.

Does that make me a bad person?

My boss pays me in cash. I don't report it in any way. Any taxes I'd pay, I'd get back anyway.
This the kind of stuff they're talking about?

Everyone breaks some sort of law, usually crap nobody cares about like downloading music.

i speed on the motorway, that's breaking the law. and i do it every day probably. i've even shoplifted sweeties before :eek:

this isn't really news, is it?


*refrains from arguing with OP over the NHS and benefits*

According to the BBC website a survey has found out that the phrase "Law abiding majority" is a myth as the majority in fact do break the law in many petty ways.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6238090.stm

Well of course we do. The British Government has done nothing but steal my money in taxes from the day I first started earning and what do I get for it?

I don't claim benefits and think they are an excuse for the work-shy for free cash.

Ive only ever used the NHS facilities three times in 16 years.

I do not agree/support the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

So yes, whenever I get a workman in to do a job in my house I pay cash in hand.

Does that make me a bad person?

No not at all, what does though is this dribble about work shy and free cash. That is a massive genreralisation, and absolutly wrong.

There was a reprot on the news yesterday talking about the widening gap between the rich and the poor in this country, it talked about the lack of good education for those that cannot afford to go private, it talked about the loss of traditional lowskilled jobs for those whos education has not been good.

I would be looking here for answers instead of blaming it on the poor, and poorly educated.

You do know that you help pay for the NHS, why not use it, and also everytime you pay cash in hand, you also cause the NHS to losse a part of that income.

It is attitudes like yours that make me boil with rage, and then to top it up, you blame those less able to cope! Fuckin' pathetic.

*refrains from arguing with OP over the NHS and benefits*


Ahhh I wish I had your strenght.

Ahhh I wish I had your strenght.

hehe, well i am (supposed to be) working ;)

neither my mum nor i would be alive today if it weren't for the NHS :) and while i have never personally used other public services such as state schools or benefits, i am happy to give up a portion of my income to help those who need it, and to recieve help when i may need it in the future.

but this is kinda going off the point of the thread, methinks :p

According to the BBC website a survey has found out that the phrase "Law abiding majority" is a myth as the majority in fact do break the law in many petty ways.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6238090.stm

Well of course we do. The British Government has done nothing but steal my money in taxes from the day I first started earning and what do I get for it?
Let me think? You went to school. You get your bins emptied. If you break your arm, you get it mended. Your country is defended from foreign powers.

I don't claim benefits and think they are an excuse for the work-shy for free cash.
And avoiding tax doesn't count as trying to get hold of free cash? And that's a broad generalisation to make considering we use unemployment to control inflation.

Ive only ever used the NHS facilities three times in 16 years.
And? Do you think that you shouldn't have to pay for it?

I do not agree/support the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
I don't either.

So yes, whenever I get a workman in to do a job in my house I pay cash in hand.

Does that make me a bad person?
I have never, ever had a problem with paying tax in order to fund free healthcare, education for anyone regardless of income, and funding services according to ability to pay. What I do have a problem with is people who should, and can, afford to pay not doing so, and putting the burden of tax on honest, hard-working men and women. It's not the government stealing from you - because everybody has to pay tax, fair and square. It's people who are dishonest and shirk their responsibility to pay tax in accordance with law, who can and should pay, who are stealing from the taxpayer.

I jaywalk from time to time. :(





Does that make me an arch-criminal? :p

*Asserts that "honest, hard working men and women" are a myth, too*

*Asserts that "honest, hard working men and women" are a myth, too*

*Agrees with assertion.*

I jaywalk from time to time. :(





Does that make me an arch-criminal? :p
i sometimes walk on the grass even when there's a sign saying not to. i'm a REBEL! :p


Let me think? You went to school. You get your bins emptied. If you break your arm, you get it mended. Your country is defended from foreign powers.

don't forget if you drive on the roads you're using a tax-funded public service. being able to see at night by streetlamps, too, for example.

Everyone breaks some sort of law, usually crap nobody cares about like downloading music.
Downloading music, speeding, running red lights when no one is around for a mile, not paying taxes on items shipped into state that you bought online because they already tax every god damn thing in the state already now they want me to pay taxes on shit they can't tax, even if I had to pay taxes on it. Mother fuckers, fuck them.

I've broken a number of laws.

Let's leave it at that.

Downloading music, speeding, running red lights when no one is around for a mile, not paying taxes on items shipped into state that you bought online because they already tax every god damn thing in the state already now they want me to pay taxes on shit they can't tax, even if I had to pay taxes on it. Mother fuckers, fuck them.

Well, you can't have government without taxes, especially the kind that does anything.

You can't have socialism without taxes.
You can't have a huge military without taxes.
You can't have public roads without taxes.

i sometimes walk on the grass even when there's a sign saying not to. i'm a REBEL! :p

OMG TERRORIST


j/k :p

Well, you can't have government without taxes, especially the kind that does anything.

You can't have socialism without taxes.
You can't have a huge military without taxes.
You can't have public roads without taxes.
State taxes. And I doubt that the taxes they earn off extra taxing of items ordered online net them alot of money, especially after property taxes, income tax, and sales tax (including on drugs and food) really add up. Especially since I have to pay taxes on orders from businesses with in-state buildings anyway. And you mistake Alabama for having a government that does something.

OMG TERRORIST


j/k :p

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9314/zomg43287ig7.jpg

news to me :p

Had to add on something in response to other messages.

My bins are emptied by my council once a fortnight and I pay Council Tax for that, council tax also covers streetlighting and local libraries etc.

I drive on the road and my Road Tax and the staggeringly high petrol taxes should pay for that.

My national insurance contributions should pay towards the NHS.

So why all the other taxes, income tax, VAT etc. I may be guilty of sweeping generalisations when I say work-shy on benefits but then I happen to live in a council estate (in a house I brought) and see these people every day and hear them at night drunk as a lord.

Im well used to socialists and political correct people making statements about the poorer classes without any contact with them. I am from the poorer classes and I have dragged myself up through hard work and resent that hard work being taxed to the hilt to fund others of my background, just because they ARE too damn lazy to get a job and make their own way in the world.

Save your bleeding hearts for sunday school.

Had to add on something in response to other messages.

My bins are emptied by my council once a fortnight and I pay Council Tax for that, council tax also covers streetlighting and local libraries etc.

I drive on the road and my Road Tax and the staggeringly high petrol taxes should pay for that.

My national insurance contributions should pay towards the NHS.

So why all the other taxes, income tax, VAT etc. I may be guilty of sweeping generalisations when I say work-shy on benefits but then I happen to live in a council estate (in a house I brought) and see these people every day and hear them at night drunk as a lord.

Im well used to socialists and political correct people making statements about the poorer classes without any contact with them. I am from the poorer classes and I have dragged myself up through hard work and resent that hard work being taxed to the hilt to fund others of my background, just because they ARE too damn lazy to get a job and make their own way in the world.

Save your bleeding hearts for sunday school.

It's called life. When are you going to learn that politicians only care about power? They get more power by pretending to give a damn.

I'm lucky to live in Nevada. No state income tax. Sales taxes are low compared to overtaxed California. There seems to be an understanding that no matter how much money you throw at it, a shitty system is going to be a shitty system.

According to the BBC website a survey has found out that the phrase "Law abiding majority" is a myth as the majority in fact do break the law in many petty ways.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6238090.stm

Well of course we do. The British Government has done nothing but steal my money in taxes from the day I first started earning and what do I get for it?

I don't claim benefits and think they are an excuse for the work-shy for free cash.

Ive only ever used the NHS facilities three times in 16 years.

I do not agree/support the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

So yes, whenever I get a workman in to do a job in my house I pay cash in hand.

Does that make me a bad person?

You get your rubbish collected. Your water supply is maintained. You drive on government roads. Your food is transported along government roads. The police help deter crime. The fire service will stop your house burning down.

But of course, none of this matters to you since you're stuck in the mentality that taxes = bad. It's an incredibly silly one.

Of course the majority breaks laws, most of the laws we have are unnecessary and/or relative to a situation. Everytime you pick up a penny that someone's dropped on the floor you are effectively stealing, but who could care less. Laws are there to punish people who often break them and in large amounts, not those who occasionally cut a corner when the situation arrives.

Everyone breaks some sort of law, usually crap nobody cares about like downloading music.
Yet you'd never walk into an HMV and steal a CD, would you?
Nor would you think highly of a person who regularly does such things.
Why is that?

Had to add on something in response to other messages.

My bins are emptied by my council once a fortnight and I pay Council Tax for that, council tax also covers streetlighting and local libraries etc.
A large part, if not most of local government revenues come from central government. Without those taxes imposed by central government, local services would not function. Of course, you missed the point, though: you use services that are obliged to paid for through taxes.

I drive on the road and my Road Tax and the staggeringly high petrol taxes should pay for that.
And how does that justify tax dodging, might I ask?

My national insurance contributions should pay towards the NHS.
National Insurance mostly covers unemployment benefits. Very little nowadays pays for the NHS. In any case, you can't pick and choose what taxes you pay for and then expect to use government services.

So why all the other taxes, income tax, VAT etc. I may be guilty of sweeping generalisations when I say work-shy on benefits but then I happen to live in a council estate (in a house I brought) and see these people every day and hear them at night drunk as a lord.
It's nice when you make my arguments for me.

Im well used to socialists and political correct people making statements about the poorer classes without any contact with them. I am from the poorer classes and I have dragged myself up through hard work and resent that hard work being taxed to the hilt to fund others of my background, just because they ARE too damn lazy to get a job and make their own way in the world.
If you want lower taxes, vote somebody else into government. Don't dodge taxes. It's that simple. And, if you would kindly not bring up the political correctness bull, please...

Save your bleeding hearts for sunday school.
You know, if you thought about it a little, you could come up with hyperbolic headline grabbers yourself, without pinching them from the tabloids.

Yet you'd never walk into an HMV and steal a CD, would you?


Yes. Yes I would, assuming that in your scenario the odds of me being caught are ridiculously low

Yet you'd never walk into an HMV and steal a CD, would you?
Nor would you think highly of a person who regularly does such things.
Why is that?

You must've seen the difference explained a million times before, Shirley?

You must've seen the difference explained a million times before, Shirley?
I know. Downloading vs shoplifting is akin to masturbating.
It's perfectly fine in the privacy of your own home but disgusting when done in public.

and don't call me Surely!

I believe the majority is composed primarily of individuals who do not interrupt the system to the breaking point, all whilst mildly pushing it here and there.

My boss pays me in cash. I don't report it in any way. Any taxes I'd pay, I'd get back anyway.
This the kind of stuff they're talking about?

How'd you manage that? I wish I could do that... I wouldn't know how to approach them about it, unless they were related to me or a friend or something.

I know. Downloading vs shoplifting is akin to masturbating.
It's perfectly fine in the privacy of your own home but disgusting when done in public.

and don't call me Surely!

I thought it was because shoplifting is obviously illegal while downloading isn't so obvious. There are people who actually buy the 24-hour myth that says its okay to illegally download emulated games (illegal because it breaks copyright laws) if you own the original copy (why not PLAY the original copy) and only for 24-hours or something similar to that.

I'm okay with anti-piracy. I have dozens of games I bought in a perfectly legal manner. I also have several CDs that I bought without violating copyright laws.

In Copenhagen I used the trains without buying passes and then talked my way out of tickets by pretending to be a dumb American who didn't understand the rules. I understood the rules perfectly well.

According to the BBC website a survey has found out that the phrase "Law abiding majority" is a myth as the majority in fact do break the law in many petty ways.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6238090.stm

Well of course we do. The British Government has done nothing but steal my money in taxes from the day I first started earning and what do I get for it?

I don't claim benefits and think they are an excuse for the work-shy for free cash.

Ive only ever used the NHS facilities three times in 16 years.

I do not agree/support the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

So yes, whenever I get a workman in to do a job in my house I pay cash in hand.

Does that make me a bad person?

i root for the bad guy to escape when i watch cops,does that make me bad?

don't forget if you drive on the roads you're using a tax-funded public service. being able to see at night by streetlamps, too, for example.

Hell, just using money. That's a service provided by the government.

i speed on the motorway, that's breaking the law. and i do it every day probably. i've even shoplifted sweeties before :eek:

this isn't really news, is it?


*refrains from arguing with OP over the NHS and benefits*

your tearing the very fabric of society...how dare you!

just kidding,go have fun,it dont really matter much in the end.