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.....or at least it strikes me as being one. This is not a man with whom the word "trust" is too widely associated.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6240060.stm

While it suprises me not at all that the US favours this, I'm appalled the others haven't raised objections.

he sorted out Ireland fairly very well to the degree that the place would still be a conflict zone without him

I'd like to see what he can do with the middle east he's certainly one of the more qualified politicians for the matter

I'd say let him try.
Although I've got serious doubts that somebody who for the most part of his political career has been seen as Bush's lap dog will have much influence on the Arab fractions in the Middle East.

he sorted out Ireland fairly very well to the degree that the place would still be a conflict zone without him

I'd like to see what he can do with the middle east he's certainly one oft hem ore qualified politicians for the matter


yep i agree with you.

The right puppet in the right place!

Well... it could be worse. >.>;

When I read this news the other day I assumed it was because they wanted to "get rid of him" without alot of investigations into his murder.

There could only be one person worse qualified for this mission:

http://www.voccoquan.com/images/bush%20finger.JPG

Still it should totally destroy what ever is left of his reputation and he can then be put on trial for war crimes.

he sorted out Ireland fairly very well to the degree that the place would still be a conflict zone without him

I'd like to see what he can do with the middle east he's certainly one of the more qualified politicians for the matter

i thought it was Mo Mowlam that did all the leg work in that and Blair just happened to be the guy in charge at the time.

Actually it was a group effort with perhaps Clinton as the biggest visible single outside influence, particularily in creating that whole "optimism" thing on occassion, which amongst a population of cynical bastards was a great achievement. A rare combination of charisma backed by vast power.

This man was a far quieter, yet steady help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_J._Mitchell


See now, two Americans being of use. Nobody bombed by mistake either....

Actually it was a group effort with perhaps Clinton as the biggest visible single outside influence, particularily in creating that whole "optimism" thing on occassion, which amongst a population of cynical bastards was a great achievement.

Agreed.

If you hate him so much, Nodinia, you should be glad he's up for the assignment to a task that is essentially doomed to failure before he even gets the job.

If you hate him so much, Nodinia, you should be glad he's up for the assignment to a task that is essentially doomed to failure before he even gets the job.

...which would lead to more suffering for all those involved. While you may get your jollies watching at least one side in it suffer, I can't say it fills me with any great enthusiasm.

...which would lead to more suffering for all those involved. While you may get your jollies watching at least one side in it suffer, I can't say it fills me with any great enthusiasm.

It wouldn't matter who you put in that position, Nodinia. The Middle East is fucked for the next few hundred years.

It wouldn't matter who you put in that position, Nodinia. The Middle East is fucked for the next few hundred years.


Incorrect, it will be fucked for the next few hundred years. Its getting the fucking to stop thats necessary.

Tony Bliar is a good man, if it weren't for that damned war he may well have been Britians greatest PM. since.. Churchill? Thatcher? excuse me make that ever.. if only for the Good Friday Agreement in 1998.:upyours:

Tony Blair is a good man, if it weren't for that damned war he may well have been Britians greatest PM. since.. Churchill? Thatcher? excuse me make that ever.. if only for the Good Friday Agreement in 1998.:upyours:

he sorted out Ireland fairly very well to the degree that the place would still be a conflict zone without him

He did virtually none of the actual work. Mo Mowlam did an awful lot while she was at the NI Office, and I think that there was a lot of work on the side of the various Irish leaders to try and reach a peaceful resolution.

Blair will not do much in the Middle East, but it will give him the chance to be shot at...

Incorrect, it will be fucked for the next few hundred years. Its getting the fucking to stop thats necessary.

They seem to be pretty good at fucking themselves. Blaming the Jews for their economic ruin, tinpot dictatorships, low education standards, ill treatment of women, and internecine warfare isn't going to improve anything.

They seem to be pretty good at fucking themselves. Blaming the Jews for their economic ruin, tinpot dictatorships, low education standards, ill treatment of women, and internecine warfare isn't going to improve anything.

Apart from the "blaming the Jews" you could aim that at any area of the world thats economically underdeveloped with a history of colonisation by the great powers. Certainly one can see a great deal of that in Latin America and Africa. Your somewhat shallow understanding of the matter is rather typical though, for the American right. You'd be better advised to stick to just starting threads and running off - the holes show up too clearly when you hang around in the light too long.


It is rather funny that you try to aim it at the Palestinian problem in particular though, as thats one of the easiest solved - by ending the US veto of sanctions. It could have been taken care of before there was a Hamas, an Hezbollah or an Islamic Jihad. Could take more effort now, but if the US was removed from the equation I believe a relatively equitable solution possible.

Apart from the "blaming the Jews" you could aim that at any area of the world thats economically underdeveloped with a history of colonisation by the great powers. Certainly one can see a great deal of that in Latin America and Africa. Your somewhat shallow understanding of the matter is rather typical though, for the American right. You'd be better advised to stick to just starting threads and running off - the holes show up too clearly when you hang around in the light too long.


It is rather funny that you try to aim it at the Palestinian problem in particular though, as thats one of the easiest solved - by ending the US veto of sanctions. It could have been taken care of before there was a Hamas, an Hezbollah or an Islamic Jihad. Could take more effort now, but if the US was removed from the equation I believe a relatively equitable solution possible.

I'm not the one with the narrow view. Arabs, according to surveys, believe that all of their problems stem from the Jews.

In their minds, there are no other causes.

So, if you're going to help them, you have to get them over that idea.

I'd say let him try.
Although I've got serious doubts that somebody who for the most part of his political career has been seen as Bush's lap dog will have much influence on the Arab fractions in the Middle East.

it seems to me that both Blair and Bush have been pawns of much larger and less visible forces.

this game should realize the increasingly limited role of national sovereignty, and include more play for the transnational corporations, imho.

I'm not the one with the narrow view.

No? I've never heard you confront the fact that many Jews hate Arabs, that there are two sides to the conflict..that in fact whether they blame them or not is neither here nor there when discussing superpower interference in the area.....I suppose next we get a few choice extracts from the Koran and few paragraphs from some bunch of yahoos manifesto as "proof"....

In fact you immediately home in on some facet of the problem in order to undermine the Arab position and ignore the various facts of the conflict...like the whole "they hate Jews" thing, for instance...because fuck, we can't go dealing with the issue of the US veto now, can we....Like I said, when you to hang around too long in the light, the holes start showing. Back under the rotten log fer you, my lad.

No? I've never heard you confront the fact that many Jews hate Arabs, that there are two sides to the conflict..that in fact whether they blame them or not is neither here nor there when discussing superpower interference in the area.....I suppose next we get a few choice extracts from the Koran and few paragraphs from some bunch of yahoos manifesto as "proof"....

In fact you immediately home in on some facet of the problem in order to undermine the Arab position and ignore the various facts of the conflict...like the whole "they hate Jews" thing, for instance...because fuck, we can't go dealing with the issue of the US veto now, can we....Like I said, when you to hang around too long in the light, the holes start showing. Back under the rotten log fer you, my lad.

It is quite here or there who the Arabs blame for all their problems.

They only have one, just one, thing to blame, and that is the Jews.

They even blame the Jews for erectile dysfunction. Go figure.

There's no light here, because the Arabs are fucking themselves in the dark.

Just look at Gaza to see what happens when the Jews ignore them - they immediately start killing each other.

It is quite here or there who the Arabs blame for all their problems.

They only have one, just one, thing to blame, and that is the Jews.

They even blame the Jews for erectile dysfunction. Go figure.

There's no light here, because the Arabs are fucking themselves in the dark.

Just look at Gaza to see what happens when the Jews ignore them - they immediately start killing each other.

US veto and colonies in the West Bank be damned eh?

Ahhh, yes, all the old cliches, oversimplifications and flame-bait.
'@o Noess!!!! Facts"!!!!111!!!!' - '=ARABSS WANT JOO BLOOD!!!111!!'
You left out Sharia law by the way, as well as stonings & beheadings. Obviously you aren't ticking off the "Avoid the Issues" check list.


That article didn't claim they blamed Jews for "erectile dysfunction" by the way, it was a humorous piece by an Arab writer which you (almost certainly deliberately) selectively culled a line from. It was dealt with at the time, but you'd slid back under the log by then, so probably didn't notice.....

It is quite here or there who the Arabs blame for all their problems.

They only have one, just one, thing to blame, and that is the Jews.

They even blame the Jews for erectile dysfunction. Go figure.

There's no light here, because the Arabs are fucking themselves in the dark.

Just look at Gaza to see what happens when the Jews ignore them - they immediately start killing each other.
1) Everyone in the entire world would be blaming the Jews if not for the Holocaust.
2) The Jews are a pretty easy target. If some all powerful alien race took over the US and supported the Canadians and didn't give anything to the US and supported them over us, there would be alot more serious "blame Canada" shit going around.

I think you need to get down off your damn moral high horse, you obviously don't belong up there.

I think he was stuck to the underside of the saddle when they put it on.

It appears hes been given the job of envoy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6244358.stm