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What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Flee to another country and convince the leaders there to nuke my old country.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Be surprised. Very, very surprised.

Flee to another country, a very, very far away country... Also a very powerful country that isn't allied with my old one.

For instance, I am American, if this happened, I would move to :
A-Russia
B-China

Flee to another country and convince the leaders there to nuke my old country.

But since the country would be all nationalistic and seek expansion, and since it'd probably be preparing to take over the world or attempt to then I think no one would be allowed out of the country. That way the targets stay in and no citizens go into areas about to be bombed or invaded.

Escape the country with proof, if possible, and inform the UN, other governments and the world press.

Just try and have a holocaust with every camera in the world pointed at you.

Huh? The holo-what?

You'd have more success with this sort of thread if you didn't start making up words.

I'd like to think I'd help to organize resistance, stay within the country, get information out, help people get out and generally play havoc with those who want to exterminate me.

...but yeah, probably flee.

Huh? The holo-what?

You'd have more success with this sort of thread if you didn't start making up words.

Hologram ain't just a river in Cuba

Huh? The holo-what?

You'd have more success with this sort of thread if you didn't start making up words.

So I had a typo, big deal, you all know what I mean.

Huh? The holo-what?

You'd have more success with this sort of thread if you didn't start making up words.

This guy just does not quit.
Besides: hol·o·caust [hol-uh-kawst, hoh-luh-] – noun 1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.

This guy just does not quit.
Besides: hol·o·caust [hol-uh-kawst, hoh-luh-] – noun 1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.

How bizarre. This has actually occurred? I must confess skepticism.

This guy just does not quit.
Besides: hol·o·caust [hol-uh-kawst, hoh-luh-] – noun 1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.

It was a TYPO! For smeg sake, this thread is about genocide not spelling. Thread jacking is bad.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?
Depends on a lot of things.

What group are they targetting that makes me a part of them...
How close to the implementation phase they are at...
What Mechanical Methods are they going to use to exterminate us...

It was a TYPO! For smeg sake, this thread is about genocide not spelling. Thread jacking is bad.

it's not about any typo, but The Sadisco Room is being a troll.

The Sadisco Room is indicating that there was no Jewish Holocaust.

It was a TYPO! For smeg sake, this thread is about genocide not spelling. Thread jacking is bad.

No, I'm not complaining about you. I'm complaining about the guy who is denying that the original one happened.

Edit: Besides, where is this typo?

It was a TYPO! For smeg sake, this thread is about genocide not spelling. Thread jacking is bad.

You didn't make a typo, we just have a holocaust denier on our hands. Should make the thread interesting, if it doesn't end up full of flames.

How bizarre. This has actually occurred? I must confess skepticism.

Under that definition? Bombing of Dresden. Now quit.

Depends on a lot of things.

What group are they targetting that makes me a part of them...
How close to the implementation phase they are at...
What Mechanical Methods are they going to use to exterminate us...

They'd use tactics like trying to identify genes that make people part of that group and attempt to utilize bio-weapons that kill people with only those genes or pass laws like the Munich laws, where rights were taken away from your group and laws that made it easier for those in your group to be arrested. They'd also make up lies in the media that make shooting people in your group on sight seem justifiable. Things like that.

They'd use tactics like trying to identify genes that make people part of that group and attempt to utilize bio-weapons that kill people with only those genes then I would alert the internet community, post to UN sites as well as other countries... but I would NOT flee. The reason? if they already introduced this bio-weapon in to the environment. my leaving may cause untold damages in other countries.
or pass laws like the Munich laws, where rights were taken away from your group and laws that made it easier for those in your group to be arrested.good luck with that. look how much trouble my government is having with Gitmo...
They'd also make up lies in the media that make shooting people in your group on sight seem justifiable. Things like that.again, good luck with that. they would have to have air tight holds over all media outlets.

Huh? The holo-what?

You'd have more success with this sort of thread if you didn't start making up words.

I friggin' KNEW IT!

Whose puppet are you? Hmmm...?!

I'd need some clarification: what do you mean by mechanically? Because there are two different potential responses depending on the definition.

What is this holocaust you speak of?

What is this holocaust you speak of?

You know, that whole thing where some twelve million innocents were murdered on an industrial scale shortly before and during the Second World War by the Nationalsozialistische government of Germany, usually under the auspices of the Schutzstaffel. Although the Wehrmacht joined in every so often. Generally the targets included Jews, Poles, Gypsies, Russians, homosexuals, leftists, democrats and varoius other groups deemed undesirable by the regime.

You know, that whole thing where some twelve million innocents were murdered on an industrial scale shortly before and during the Second World War by the Nationalsozialistische government of Germany, usually under the auspices of the Schutzstaffel. Although the Wehrmacht joined in every so often. Generally the targets included Jews, Poles, Gypsies, Russians, homosexuals, leftists, democrats and varoius other groups deemed undesirable by the regime.

Holocaust denial is getting old, isn't it? Actually, come to think of it, it always was old.

Holocaust denial is getting old, isn't it? Actually, come to think of it, it always was old.

Yeah, I can't really remember a time when it was in vogue.

You know, that whole thing where some twenty million+ innocents were murdered on an industrial scale shortly before and during the Second World War by the Nationalsozialistische government of Germany, usually under the auspices of the Schutzstaffel. Although the Wehrmacht joined in every so often. Generally the targets included Jews, Poles, Gypsies, Russians, homosexuals, leftists, democrats and varoius other groups deemed undesirable by the regime.

Fixed for accuracy.

Holocaust denial is getting old, isn't it? Actually, come to think of it, it always was old.

It's been old at least since the Red Army liberated Madjnek in 1944...

It's been old at least since the Red Army liberated Madjnek in 1944...

Nah. It was even old before that. Long before that.

Nah. It was even old before that. Long before that.

Yeah, but that was the first camp to actually be liberated. That gave concrete, first person evidence to things that had previously only been seen from afar or from the testimony of people fortunate enough to escape the slaughter.

You know, that whole thing where some twelve million... 12 million?
or 20 something millions?

Try and change what ever it is about that they hate, and run away.

12 million?
or 20 something millions?

Estimates vary from 11 million to 26 million.

I sincerely doubt a regime that extreme is going to manage to take over Canada. Even if ithey did, I'd just sit it out and hope the US Army is going to come smashing in and destroy whatever whackjob regime managed to take over, because I doubt the US is going to sit there while someone builds up a dictatorship right next to them.

Estimates vary from 11 million to 26 million.interesting..
when my dad was in high school it was 6 million flat.

interesting..
when my dad was in high school it was 6 million flat.

6 million Jews were killed. 11 to 26 million people (including Jews) in total.

6 million Jews were killed. 11 to 26 million people (including Jews) in total.

Much of the disputation on that total comes from the numbers killed in the field, rather than within the confines of the camps.

How on earth did a thread on holocausts become a debate on the existence of the....ammm....holocaust :confused:

How on earth did a thread on holocausts become a debate on the existence of the....ammm....holocaust :confused:

Blame the trolls.

Much of the disputation on that total comes from the numbers killed in the field, rather than within the confines of the camps. the estimation numbers from the camps have been changing over time.. and now they are mixing them with the field estimations??

It may make for bigger numbers.. but its going to add to the confusion.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Well since I *am* a Jew, I'd do what Jews did the last time. I'd either die, or I'd escape, or leave after the good guys flattened the country and grudgingly liberated me half-dead from a concentration camp after four or five or six years.

But I don't see this as happening. I see it much more likely with the Muslims.

the estimation numbers from the camps have been changing over time.. mixing them with the field estimations is going to make it more accurate.

It may make for bigger numbers.. but its going to add to the confusion.

Past a certain point, the numbers cease to have much meaning to most individuals. 6 million, 11 million, 20 million...each and every one of them so ghastly and horrific that it's nigh incomprehensible. They stop being a human toll and become a mere statistic.

Past a certain point, the numbers cease to have much meaning to most individuals. 6 million, 11 million, 20 million...each and every one of them so ghastly and horrific that it's nigh incomprehensible. They stop being a human toll and become a mere statistic.

Just like Stalin said...

Just like Stalin said...

I was just thinking that…

Well since I *am* a Jew, I'd do what Jews did the last time. I'd either die, or I'd escape, or leave after the good guys flattened the country and grudgingly liberated me half-dead from a concentration camp after four or five or six years.Yeah.. If I was a Jew and the US gov started treating Jews badly.. I would leave ASAP. (way before it starts to become genocidal)


But I don't see this as happening. I see it much more likely with the Muslims.well If I was Muslim.. I would probably leave the US.. for Canada or Latin America.

Honestly, a better question would be what you would do if you weren't a member of the targeted group.

Honestly, a better question would be what you would do if you weren't a member of the targeted group.

Now you say it, seems so obvious - totally a better question.

I can even answer the same as I did to the original question just by deleting the word 'me':

I'd like to think I'd help to organize resistance, stay within the country, get information out, help people get out and generally play havoc with those who want to exterminate (delete - me.)

...but yeah, probably flee.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

I'm untargetable, baby...

I'm untargetable, baby...

No one is untargetable.
Especially Canadians.

No one is untargetable.


As a tachyon, I take exception to your statement.

As a tachyon, I take exception to your statement.

You're too quick-witted for me!

But that was really tachy of you.

I guess it just goes to show that humor is relativistic.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk! *thud*

:eek:

'Begun, The Clown War Has!" -Yoda

Well, I'd probably try to flee to Canuckistan, since they're only about 3 hours away. Barring that, I have an AK-47 and about 800 rounds of ammo. I've only been on the occupying side of an occupation, but I've got a good idea as to how the insurgent part works.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Go underground and become a maqui.

Well, the obvious answer is 'flee,' mainly because there's no realistic way to defend yourself against a totalitarian police state. I guess what I'd do is protect myself and as many others as I could. :(

:eek:

'Begun, The Clown War Has!" -Yoda

*protects you*

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Part of the group? Obtain proof and flee the company.

Otherwise remain apathetic.

Just like Stalin said...

Kill a man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god.

That is also a good one.

Honestly, a better question would be what you would do if you weren't a member of the targeted group.Depends on which the targeted group would be. If it were Jews, Scientologists, Mormons, JWs, Evangelicals, I'd do nothing.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Leave.

Depends on which the targeted group would be. If it were Jews, Scientologists, Mormons, JWs, Evangelicals, I'd do nothing.

Why those particular people?

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?
As a non-hetero feminist atheist liberal American, I already sometimes feel that my government is trying to exterminate people like me. They certainly are eager to strip away my civil rights and human status. (Realistically, I don't think they want me dead, just completely subservient and providing them with profit.)

If I actually believed my government was planning some sort of holocaust, my first move would be to get myself and my loved ones out of the country. My second move would be to establish a secure enough life in our new home nation that I could then work to get more people out of the danger zone.

It was a TYPO! For smeg sake, this thread is about genocide not spelling. Thread jacking is bad.
Since when was giving definitions "thread-jacking"?

At least this wasn't about chickens...

At least this wasn't about chickens...

yet. You never know what threads end up being about when they reach, say, page 20.

Why those particular people?Because of my contempt for their ideologies.

To be Jewish, however, is an ethnic as well as a religious and social fact.

Why those particular people?

Because of my contempt for their ideologies.

Translation: "Because I'm a bigot."

I'd have to go with 'leave'. Then attempt to raise awareness in my new country of residence.

What is this holocaust you speak of?

If I remember rightly the term was first applied to the 13th century persecution of British Jews by Edward I, the Nazis probably copied the idea of making them wear yellow patches from him.

Britain, if there's a horrific crime/injustice/problem in the world, we were there doing/causing it first.:p

Well, stifling a laugh at the idea of the Canadian government actually attempting genocide...

I would flee to the US or Europe...maybe Britain...

See, an even better question is what would you do if the more powerful country next to you started a genocide, and began building a stronger military?

Mostly directed at all you Canadians. In some form or another, all of you are saying 'Run to U.S.A." What if the U.S.A. was the one STARTING the genocide, and carried it into Canada? Which I would find MUCH more likely than Canada starting a Genocide.

Most of us here live in world powers though, economically, militarily, or both, so unless you're in China or Russia, this doesn't apply, as I think those are the only two top world powers that are NEXT to each other.

As I live in the U.S.A, I would have to say I wouldn't actually be all that surprised if things continue down this course, if we have some kind of Genocide. Bush can already gain control of all three parts of the Government in the event of a National Emergency, such as a major terrorist strike or a really bad hurricane, for a period of nine months. At the end of those months, the Secretary of Homeland Security(Someone appointed BY THE PRESIDENT), must draft up a plan to 'balance' the three parties once again. It doesn't just revert to normal. If someone else is going "Hmm... Ancient Roman Dictator..." then I agree with you.

Translation: "Because I'm a bigot."Is it bigotry to have contempt for ideological rubbish?

Is it bigotry to have contempt for ideological rubbish?

Notwithstanding your anti-Semitism, we can all agree Scientology as well as possibly evangelical Christianity is rubbish. That you essentially would have no problems with a genocide of said groups is taking it a teeny bit too far.

I think I'd definitely have to leave.

Failing that, either join or start a resistance movement.

"Kill one man, and it is a tradgety.....kill a million and it is a statistic"-J. Stalin

"Death Solves all Problems.....no man, no Problem"-J.Stalin



HAHAHAHAHAHA the British and their past "dilemmas"

"in Australia we are a nation that has successfully committed Genocide (against Aboriginals)....yet the rest of the world sees us as Surfers"-Unknown


yea i would support a Genocide of Scientologists....infact i would volunteer to go get tom cruise.....i just wanna go crusadic on somones arse lol

Is it bigotry to have contempt for ideological rubbish?

What's 'rubbish' is an opinion. There's a difference between outspoken dislike of ideology and wanting them dead because of purely their ideology. In the case of Jews, they did not choose it. It's no different from someone wanting all homosexuals lined up and shot, so yes, it is bigotry.

What's 'rubbish' is an opinion. There's a difference between outspoken dislike of ideology and wanting them dead because of purely their ideology. In the case of Jews, they did not choose it. It's no different from someone wanting all homosexuals lined up and shot, so yes, it is bigotry.Homosexuals are born as such, Jews either choose their ideology or are raised in it. There is a profound difference.
And there is also a difference between wanting someone dead and not caring if that one died.

Notwithstanding your anti-Semitism, we can all agree Scientology as well as possibly evangelical Christianity is rubbish. That you essentially would have no problems with a genocide of said groups is taking it a teeny bit too far.Why try to save the unteachables?
And where would you see the difference between Scientology/Evangelical rubbish and Jewish rubbish? It's all the same crap. And they all think the guard the real "truth" and that they alone are leading the right/righteous lives.

Depends on which the targeted group would be. If it were Jews, Scientologists, Mormons, JWs, Evangelicals, I'd do nothing.

Nazi. :mad:

Nazi. :mad:As if.
And I am not impressed by swearwords.

You're too quick-witted for me!

But that was really tachy of you.

I guess it just goes to show that humor is relativistic.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk! *thud*
:eek:
*starts crying*

MAKE IT STOP!!

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Flee to Switzerland (it's just 50 km from my home), then organise resistance groups and try to enact a revolution in my country, or at least a coup d'etat.

Homosexuals are born as such

Actually, there is not a single scientifical proof of that.

Homosexuality is just a behaviour, typical of many animal species, including Homo sapiens. As most behaviours, it can be due to genetical factors, imprinting, teaching, examples, choice, etc, etc. .

Homosexuals are born as such, Jews either choose their ideology or are raised in it. There is a profound difference.

Both are a combination of genetical material, upbringing and choice. Do you condemn all Jews, or only religious ones?

I'd stay here in the UK: the government has such an atrocious track record on data-bases that I doubt I'd be in any danger. :p

Depends on which the targeted group would be. If it were Jews, Scientologists, Mormons, JWs, Evangelicals, I'd do nothing.

Sieg Heil... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerbEh0CfKM&mode=related&search=)I guess...

You would allow someone to kill innocents, just because they have different beliefs from you? What a depraved and sick individual you must be...depraved and sick.

As if.
And I am not impressed by swearwords.

You cloak yourself in the words of the left, yet you show little more respect for human beings than the Nationalsozialisten had.

THE HANGMAN

By Maurice Ogden

Into our town the hangman came,
smelling of gold and blood and flame.
He paced our bricks with a different air,
and built his frame on the courthouse square.

The scaffold stood by the courthouse side,
only as wide as the door was wide
with a frame as tall, or a little more,
than the capping sill of the courthouse door.

And we wondered whenever we had the time,
Who the criminal? What the crime?
The hangman judged with the yellow twist
of knotted hemp in his busy fist.

And innocent though we were with dread,
we passed those eyes of buckshot lead.
Till one cried, "Hangman, who is he,
for whom you raised the gallows-tree?"

Then a twinkle grew in his buckshot eye
and he gave a riddle instead of reply.
"He who serves me best," said he
"Shall earn the rope on the gallows-tree."

And he stepped down and laid his hand
on a man who came from another land.
And we breathed again, for anothers grief
at the hangmans hand, was our relief.

And the gallows frame on the courthouse lawn
by tomorrow's sun would be struck and gone.
So we gave him way and no one spoke
out of respect for his hangmans cloak.

The next day's sun looked mildly down
on roof and street in our quiet town;
and stark and black in the morning air
the gallows-tree on the courthouse square.

And the hangman stood at his usual stand
with the yellow hemp in his busy hand.
With his buckshot eye and his jaw like a pike,
and his air so knowing and business-like.

And we cried, "Hangman, have you not done,
yesterday with the alien one?"
Then we fell silent and stood amazed.
"Oh, not for him was the gallows raised."

He laughed a laugh as he looked at us,
"Do you think I've gone to all this fuss,
To hang one man? That's the thing I do.
To stretch the rope when the rope is new."

Above our silence a voice cried "Shame!"
and into our midst the hangman came;
to that mans place, "Do you hold," said he,
"With him that was meat for the gallows-tree?"

He laid his hand on that one's arm
and we shrank back in quick alarm.
We gave him way, and no one spoke,
out of fear of the hangmans cloak.

That night we saw with dread surprise
the hangmans scaffold had grown in size.
Fed by the blood beneath the chute,
the gallows-tree had taken root.

Now as wide, or a little more
than the steps that led to the courthouse door.
As tall as the writing, or nearly as tall,
half way up on the courthouse wall.

The third he took, we had all heard tell,
was a usurer..., an infidel.
And "What" said the hangman, "Have you to do
with the gallows-bound..., and he a Jew?"

And we cried out, "Is this one he
who has served you well and faithfully?"
The hangman smiled, "It's a clever scheme
to try the strength of the gallows beam."

The fourth man's dark accusing song
had scratched our comfort hard and long.
"And what concern," he gave us back,
"Have you ... for the doomed and black?"

The fifth, the sixth, and we cried again,
"Hangman, hangman, is this the man?"
"It's a trick", said he, "that we hangman know
for easing the trap when the trap springs slow."

And so we ceased and asked now more
as the hangman tallied his bloody score.
And sun by sun, and night by night
the gallows grew to monstrous height.

The wings of the scaffold opened wide
until they covered the square from side to side.
And the monster cross beam looking down,
cast its shadow across the town.

Then through the town the hangman came
and called through the empy streets...my name.
I looked at the gallows soaring tall
and thought ... there's no one left at all

for hanging ... and so he called to me
to help take down the gallows-tree.
And I went out with right good hope
to the hangmans tree and the hangmans rope.

He smiled at me as I came down
to the courthouse square...through the silent town.
Supple and stretched in his busy hand,
was the yellow twist of hempen strand.

He whistled his tune as he tried the trap
and it sprang down with a ready snap.
Then with a smile of awful command,
He laid his hand upon my hand.

"You tricked me Hangman." I shouted then,
"That your scaffold was built for other men,
and I'm no henchman of yours." I cried.
"You lied to me Hangman, foully lied."

Then a twinkle grew in his buckshot eye,
"Lied to you...tricked you?" He said "Not I...
for I answered straight and told you true.
The scaffold was raised for none but you."

"For who has served more faithfully?
With your coward's hope." said He,
"And where are the others that might have stood
side by your side, in the common good?"

"Dead!" I answered, and amiably
"Murdered," the Hangman corrected me.
"First the alien ... then the Jew.
I did no more than you let me do."

Beneath the beam that blocked the sky
none before stood so alone as I.
The Hangman then strapped me...with no voice there
to cry "Stay!" ... for me in the empty square.

THE BOTTOM LINE: "...I did no more than you let me do."

I'd leave, even if I wasn't in the group targeted I'd leave.

Sieg Heil... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerbEh0CfKM&mode=related&search=)I guess...

You would allow someone to kill innocents, just because they have different beliefs from you? What a depraved and sick individual you must be...depraved and sick.Innocence is no criterion to me. Intelligence is, and I consider people who adhere to said groups unteachable and consider the harm they do by spreading their ideologies immense.
You cloak yourself in the words of the left, yet you show little more respect for human beings than the Nationalsozialisten had.Nobody who brings certain religious teachings into the world has my respect. I can only esteem reasonable people, and these folks are out of reason.

Ok UB let us turn the tables here:

I support the genocide of Palestinians is that just?

Ok UB let us turn the tables here:

I support the genocide of Palestinians is that just?I know you support genocide of Palestinians. And because this is not just I am right not to support you if you would get in danger.

I'd like to think I'd help to organize resistance, stay within the country, get information out, help people get out and generally play havoc with those who want to exterminate me.

Comrade. I´d help you start a resistance movement. Also, I´m in one of the perfect cities to do it in... Miami. Being a port city, it´s great for getting people out.

I know you support genocide of Palestinians. And because this is not just I am right not to support you if you would get in danger.

Whoa where did I say I supported a genocide of the Palestinians first off? If you can show ANY post where I said that I will give you money like literally give you my address name number and send you money.

And how does that make you right? Are you saying that your humanity is more valuable than mine? You sir are a Nazi you say that one human life is intrinsically because of who they are race, relgion, class, creed, whatever is more valuable than somebody elses.

I now refuse to argue with you or anybody of you're ilk you supply the fire that makes my Rabbi hate the Palestinians and makes me hate the Palestinians thank you very much you keep radical jews alive the world over.

Innocence is no criterion to me. Intelligence is, and I consider people who adhere to said groups unteachable and consider the harm they do by spreading their ideologies immense.
Nobody who brings certain religious teachings into the world has my respect. I can only esteem reasonable people, and these folks are out of reason.

How callous and depraved...

Innocence is no criterion to me. Intelligence is, and I consider people who adhere to said groups unteachable and consider the harm they do by spreading their ideologies immense.
Nobody who brings certain religious teachings into the world has my respect. I can only esteem reasonable people, and these folks are out of reason.

If the governments of the world suddenly started culling all the people under a certain IQ, you should be worried.:(

Whoa where did I say I supported a genocide of the Palestinians first off? If you can show ANY post where I said that I will give you money like literally give you my address name number and send you money.

And how does that make you right? Are you saying that your humanity is more valuable than mine? You sir are a Nazi you say that one human life is intrinsically because of who they are race, relgion, class, creed, whatever is more valuable than somebody elses.

I now refuse to argue with you or anybody of you're ilk you supply the fire that makes my Rabbi hate the Palestinians and makes me hate the Palestinians thank you very much you keep radical jews alive the world over.
I support the genocide of Palestinians is that just?

I am not a Nazi. Of course folks like you assume that the natural opposite to Jews would be Nazis, but that's only because of a limited perspective.
If you know why you hate Nazis, you know why I do not care for Jews or any other such religious group.
Your Rabbi hates Palestinians and is still 'your' Rabbi? And you too hate the Palestinians? And blame it on me?? Ridiculous. Your hate comes out of yourself and your religion. I have no obligation to endorse that.

I am not a Nazi. Of course folks like you assume that the natural opposite to Jews would be Nazis, but that's only because of a limited perspective.
If you know why you hate Nazis, you know why I do not care for Jews or any other such religious group.
Your Rabbi hates Palestinians and is still 'your' Rabbi? And you too hate the Palestinians? And blame it on me?? Ridiculous. Your hate comes out of yourself and your religion. I have no obligation to endorse that.

You know fuck this I know you should never argue with an idiot but I like to argue too much and I can't let this go unopposed.

1. I said it was a test so it doesn't count.

2. No I have no idea why you don't care for any religious group. They happen to hold beliefs that some supernatural being exists and try to appease that being usually through doing good works and being moral but occasionally because of Earthly politics they do it through war. That is wrong that is not what we are arguing. I hate Nazis because they indiscrimanately kill a group of people for no reason other than being those people. Religions don't do that, religious leaders who are themselves not actually looking at the book they choose to follow do the same thing. This is not a reason to hate the whole religion only the leaders.

3. I don't hate the Palestinians at all. Nor do I blame my hatred on you at all. I don't know where my post said that. I said your posts allows bigots like my Rabbi to spew bigotry from their pulpits and make it sound true because they have quotes from people like you to show that what they are saying is true. My religion does not advocate hating anybody, my religion advocates that Jews should accept people from all faiths and not try to force our religion on anybody. Heck you have to ask for a conversion about 4 times before being granted one according to Jewish custom. Furthermore

4. Yes he is my Rabbi. I might not agree or fully agree with every stance he has but he is my Rabbi because I agree with his Judaism (mostly) he runs a conservadox shul with a truer service than most shuls and allows for some integration of men and women. I like that a lot. Just because I might disagree with his stance on Israel doesn't make him a bad person nor does it make me not choose to go to his shul.

5. My religion does not advocate hating anybody, my religion advocates that Jews should accept people from all faiths and not try to force our religion on anybody. Heck you have to ask for a conversion about 4 times before being granted one according to Jewish custom. Furthermore there is no heaven or hell is Jewish law, lore, custom or anything. It is up to the individual to choose what they believe. The only mystical reason to do good is that eventually the Messiah will come and you will be risen up from the grave and the Jews will rule Israel peacefully. However, any good person can also rise up from the dead when the Messiah whether Jew or non-Jew. We don't discriminate you do.

6. Why shouldn't Muslims be prosecuted? You say only Jews, and Christians are Muslims really that exempt.

7. I only dislike some Palestinians and that is only because they willingly choose to kill innocent people just because they are Jewish. That is just ridicoulous and is as good as any Nazi.

Honey, I have read the Tanakh and it is complete hateful rubbish for so many reasons. And if Jews were ever to come into peril again, I would not give a shit. That is all I can tell you. Jews, Scientologists, Mormons, JWs, Evangelicals, Nazis, all the same to me.

Honey, I have read the Tanakh and it is complete hateful rubbish for so many reasons. And if Jews were ever to come into peril again, I would not give a shit. That is all I can tell you. Jews, Scientologists, Mormons, JWs, Evangelicals, Nazis, all the same to me.

You won't give a damn, until the hangman comes for you...that is.

I am not a Nazi.

You're not far off. More like a wannabe Nazi enabler than anything.

Honey, I have read the Tanakh and it is complete hateful rubbish for so many reasons. And if Jews were ever to come into peril again, I would not give a shit. That is all I can tell you. Jews, Scientologists, Mormons, JWs, Evangelicals, Nazis, all the same to me.

Oh, right. Because believing in a religion is the same as believing in racial supremacy, trying to conquer the world, exterminating millions of people and committing war crimes. :rolleyes:

Since when was giving definitions "thread-jacking"?

Its changing the focus of the topic from holocausts to spelling and literature. How'd you like it if I went to one of your threads and changed the topic from whatever it was to how to use verbs and nouns properly?

And this thread once again proves that UB and AP are sick demented anti-semitic morons.

Hey, every forum needs a jew-hating 'non-nazi' like UB.

Or not.

As far as groups of people go, I'm on top of the food chain, with nothing to worry about except for anarchists and communists, who won't ever take over here anyway.

At any rate if they did, I'd leave and try to get my opposite numbers in other countries to help kill all of them.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Go, 'oh this shit again'?

Hey, every forum needs a jew-hating 'non-nazi' like UB.

Or not.

I don't think he's a nazi. The nazis were pretty focussed on jews, UB hates everyone who's even a little bit religious.

I don't think he's a nazi. The nazis were pretty focussed on jews, UB hates everyone who's even a little bit religious.

He does however, blame the jews for all those other religions.

He's an extreme bigot, and pretty much everything he says disgusts me.

He does however, blame the jews for all those other religions.

He's an extreme bigot, and pretty much everything he says disgusts me.

That first part is especially ludicrous given that Hinduism predates Judaism by a good millenium or so.

That first part is especially ludicrous given that Hinduism predates Judaism by a good millenium or so.

No, you misunderstand. He hates all 'judaic religions'. Not ALL religions.

No, you misunderstand. He hates all 'judaic religions'. Not ALL religions.

Ah, just the big Abrahmics. Well I suppose that's something then...or not.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Never going to happen in my country. Too diverse for this sort of thing to happen.

Never going to happen in my country. Too diverse for this sort of thing to happen.

Didn't BJP have some thoughts along these lines, possibly on the edges of the party but they're along the road no?

Assuming 'my country' means India not the US.

Didn't BJP have some thoughts along these lines, possibly on the edges of the party but they're along the road no?

Assuming 'my country' means India not the US.

lol. That's silly at best. I am always amazed at how much the BJP is demonised outside of India.

Here's a fact. Modern India's worst rioting was targetted against the Sikhs (several 1000s). Done by Congress party leaders.

Another fact. Narendra Modi's BJP (of the much bandied about Gujarat riots infamy) won the local municipal elections in Gujarat in many muslim majority constituencies. Quite obviously they voted for him.

All this is moot, since no "national party" can come to power without the support of state-level parties and so there will be no such thing as one group hijacking the mandate and persecute another group at a national level.

As if.
And I am not impressed by swearwords.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and acts like a duck, then no matter what it tries to pass itself off as, it's a fucking duck.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and acts like a duck, then no matter what it tries to pass itself off as, it's a fucking duck.

Or, more properly in this case, a goose.

Hmm...good point. Should I edit my post then?

Perhaps the most delicious irony is UB's post is that many (if not all) of the religions he mentioned would dictate that if UB's life was endangered by such a regime, we should help him.

Wouldn't that be ironic? As a fundamentalist Christian, I have always been taught to do good to those who hate me. Which, I suppose, would include protecting/helping UB if he and others of his racial/ideological/political/religious group were targeted for execution. Would I like doing it? Not really. But sometimes my beliefs trump what I'd prefer to be doing.

He wouldn't care if we died, but, oddly enough, we'd care if he did. Sounds like someone doesn't know the Judeo-Christian beliefs as well as he thought he did.

Anyway, in answer to the original topic, I'd like to think I'd help organize a way to get others to safety. But I guess I won't know for sure what I'd do unless it actually comes about.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

I would fucking flee! It's not like you can stop the whirlwind once it's started. A holocaust doesn't happen unless the majority of the citizens are either apathetic or complicit. Sounding the alarm won't do shit. Just warn as many in the target group as possible and get the fuck out.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”

“We must expel the Arabs and take their places.”

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

- David Ben-Gurion, founder of Israel.
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Oh, right. Because believing in a religion is the same as believing in racial supremacy, trying to conquer the world, exterminating millions of people and committing war crimes.Well, if that religion is all about (pseudo-)racial supremacy, then yes. Read your bible. The Nazi ideology and Judaism (and its offshoot religions) aren't that dissimilar. Both groups believe to be a kind of "chosen seed" and that the value of a human depends on descent and racial affiliation. Mormons, JWs, Evangelicals, Rastafarians, and many other abrahamic religious groups also believe to be god's chosen people and elevated above the rest of humanity. But given that the biblical god is a Jew-ish fabrication it is all just a bad joke. The Nazis caused 60 million deaths by their war. The deaths that were caused by consequences of the biblical teachings are uncountable. The Nazis ruled 12 years, the biblical trash ideology poisoned the world 200 times that time.

Well, if that religion is all about (pseudo-)racial supremacy, then yes. Read your bible.

...and the whole, war crimes, crimes against humanity, the mass murder of six, seven million people, conquering most of Europe bit? I noticed you left that one out. And alright, so the Jews claim "chosen people." The Christians don't, and I don't buy that being Jewish is a "race" to begin with. The Mormons don't, the Scientologists don't. So where's the "racial supremacy?" Where's the nazism? It isn't there.

No, UB. Your analogy is stupid and fails even the most cursory analysis. You clearly made it to piss off people and hearken to your appeal to emotion fallacy. "I know, compare something I dislike with being nazis! Yeah, that'll work!"

Try again, this time without the stupid.

Well, if that religion is all about (pseudo-)racial supremacy, then yes. Read your bible.

Exactly right, not to mentioned the Talmudic verses about '1 Jewish fingernail is more important than 10 Gentiles', cross that with the holocaust-obsessed racial/nationalist cult in Israel, together with the eduction which is basically 'After the Holocaust the Jews needed a new home, so they went to Galilee, an arid desert wasteland, but when they came the desert bloomed', and the only mention of the Palestinians is, 'Oh and they were some people their, but they just hated the Jews'. Israel is trapped in it's own self-obsessed cycle of self-victimization crossed with a quasi fascist racial/nationalist destiny idea that Israel will prevail against the barbarian hordes wanting to drive them into the sea, along with silly Hebrew texts that construct some strange logic to the Romans supposedly trying to exterminate the Jews and the Nazis.

This is the same thing that gave rise to extremist Jewish terrorist groups in Israel that brutally murdered Palestinians, as well as a culture of racial superiority in the settlers and the army which has led to many massacres in the West Bank against the Palestinians. The settlers themselves are crazy racial nationalists who attack and spit on Palestinians and foreign media in the west bank, sometimes dobbing them in to the checkpoint soldiers to be beaten brutally, the settlers justify this on that notion of the 'Greater Israel' and the extreme militant Zionist rhetoric of subjugating and ridding Galilee of the barbaric Arabs.

Some of you are clearly *not* reading your Bibles. Or didn't you catch that God in the Bible clearly instructs the Israelites to treat the foreigners who entered their kingdom with respect. And in the New Testament, Paul and Peter directly challenged the Jewish belief that salvation was only for the Jews.

I am a white fundamentalist Christian. I have Hispanic, African-American, Semitic, and Asian friends who are also fundamentalist Christians. Where is your racial superiority, UB? China right now has more active Christians than the United States. Where's the racial superiority there?

Some of you are clearly *not* reading your Bibles. Or didn't you catch that God in the Bible clearly instructs the Israelites to treat the foreigners who entered their kingdom with respect. And in the New Testament, Paul and Peter directly challenged the Jewish belief that salvation was only for the Jews.

I am a white fundamentalist Christian. I have Hispanic, African-American, Semitic, and Asian friends who are also fundamentalist Christians. Where is your racial superiority, UB? China right now has more active Christians than the United States. Where's the racial superiority there?The biblical history of the Israelites is a trail of blood. Read your bible again. And according to the Jews the Israelites are the people of God and superior to all others.

The biblical history of the Israelites is a trail of blood. Read your bible again. And according to the Jews the Israelites are the people of God and superior to all others.

Clearly we should kill them to the last woman and child.

"Are you a bad enough dude to save the Aryans?"

Innocence is no criterion to me. Intelligence is, and I consider people who adhere to said groups unteachable and consider the harm they do by spreading their ideologies immense.
Nobody who brings certain religious teachings into the world has my respect. I can only esteem reasonable people, and these folks are out of reason.

You, sir, betray your own lack of so-called 'intelligence' by this and other statements made here in this thread. Only the truly ignorant paint their fellow man with so broad a brush as to render them inhuman enough in their detractor's eyes as to deserve genocide.

I realize I rarely post here, and don't mean to intrude, but this overall attitude incensed me sufficiently to make a brief comment at least. No wonder our world is such a mess, with these sorts of beliefs conveniently dehumanizing vast numbers of people for the convenience and benefit of some others. I would suggest that you reconsider - if you had not so clearly illustrated yourself to be 'unteachable' and 'unreachable' - and put your own obvious bias aside long enough to see your 'considerations' for the utter tripe they are.

All things considered, I don't believe I'll hold my breath for it.

I don't think UB is a nazi. ...
UB hates everyone who's even a little bit religious.yeah, he posted several post bashing Scientologists on the "Lets bash Tom Cruise free-for-all thread" :p

I say UB is entitled to bash all religions he wants.. freedom of speech and all :D

and of course people are entitled to counter.. freedom of speech is a 2 ways street.

-Snip-

THE BOTTOM LINE: "...I did no more than you let me do."

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.--Martin Niemöller

Give the right-wing in America more time they will. They're already bringing hatred and fear of immigrants, gays, Pro-choice advocates & doctors, feminists. It won't be much longer before they'll want to confine latino & hispanic people to ghettos and make them were blue triangles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_triangle#Table_of_camp_inmate_markings).

And this thread once again proves that UB and AP are sick demented anti-semitic morons.

In other news, cows moo.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.--Martin Niemöller

I thought that was Dietrich Bonhoeffer that said that? :confused:

"The biblical history of the Israelites is a trail of blood. Read your bible again. And according to the Jews the Israelites are the people of God and superior to all others."

Let's see...ah yes. You are no doubt referring to the conquest of Canaan. Somehow this one always comes up in these kinds of debates. Can I justify it? No. Do I have to? No. I'm not God. When you see Him, you can pass sentence on Him yourself.

For most of its history, Israel has been beset by much larger nations intent on destroying it. Egypt, Syria, Assyria, Persia, Babylon, Philistia...they had plenty of enemies practically from the birth of Jacob onward. If the history if Israel is bloody, it's not entirely Israel's fault.

As for Jewish attitudes on racial superiority, didn't you read my post? The Pentateuch, the books of the prophets, and some of the greatest scholars of the New Testament reject this attitude. If Jews today hold it, they're *wrong* and violating their own Scripture. If Christians hold it, they too are *wrong*, convicted by their own teachings.

I thought that was Dietrich Bonhoeffer that said that? :confused:

Nope that was Pastor Martin Niemöller:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

Nope that was Pastor Martin Niemöller:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

Oh. Guess I was mistaken, then.

Give the right-wing in America more time they will. They're already bringing hatred and fear of immigrants, gays, Pro-choice advocates & doctors, feminists. It won't be much longer before they'll want to confine latino & hispanic people to ghettos and make them were blue triangles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_triangle#Table_of_camp_inmate_markings).

Heh, I guess the other right-wing Americans must not have let me in on their plans. None of the conservatives *I* know are like that. I work with immigrants and gays, and we get along fine. I don't see a need to attack their activities -- they chose them. Immigrants? They're people too, right? Why would I want to confine latino and hispanic people to ghettos? They've not done anything wrong that I know of. Care to enlighten me?

Feminists? Well, truthfully, the militant ones are kind of annoying. I can only be told I'm a chauvenistic pig so many times before it gets boring. But hey, so long as they hold doors open for me I'll hold 'em for them.

Pro-choice? Again, *they* made the choice, *they* deal with it. You've never seen *me* protesting, and you probably never will.

Can't say I blame you in your mistake -- I know of plenty right-wingers who scare me just as much as they do you. Some left-wingers too. But perhaps you should try finding out if all of us are the same before you go spouting off about our alleged plans for world domination.

Oh. Guess I was mistaken, then.

No prob.

Snip

What im saying that the US is heading down the same route that Germany did before WWII. When this happens I am getting the fuck out of America.


But on the lighter side:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5KM2HosqOo

Hilarious Bad-taste

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.--Martin Niemöller

Aye, aye.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group? I'd find a way to destroy the Regime.

...and the whole, war crimes, crimes against humanity, the mass murder of six, seven million people, conquering most of Europe bit?

No. The Nazis killed way more people than that.

Please, I've been thinking about this scenario for years. Far right-wing extremist crazies sweep into government and decide to do everything they can to repress gay people, eventually there are dissappearances and rumours of camps and polgroms, etc. And I'd totally want to fight. Rally some other angry queers, get our hands on some guns and raid a road construction site for dynamite, and form a resistance cell to make the facist pigs regret ever messing with us.

And I'd totally want to fight.
They might need your help in Russia soon.

First impulse would be to pick up a gun, but in this day and age I could probably do more damage with a camera.

As it happens, I am Jewish myself. Anyway, what I would do is share this information with the Jewish community in my region, then join the mass exodus as the Jewish population of the United States plummets to zero (Mossad agents excluded).

See, after the Holocaust, we Jews are paranoid about this sort of thing. The Jews of Germany could have escaped, but they didn't see it coming. We won't make the same mistake twice.

In the event that the government has implemented regulations to prevent a mass Jewish exodus, the Jewish community would use covert means to get as many Jews out of the country. I would probably stay behind in the Resistance - not as a fighter, as a mastermind. I'm too scrawny to fight properly, but I could plan some pretty sophisticated attacks.

And as for UB, your blatant anti-Semitism aside, the question was, what if the genocide was targeted at a group YOU are a part of... atheists, for example? If the government planned to exterminate all atheists, what would you do?

For the record, despite your anti-Semitism, if I were in a position to assist you in leaving the country, even if it meant that I would be risking my life, I would do it.

And as for UB, your blatant anti-Semitism aside, the question was, what if the genocide was targeted at a group YOU are a part of... atheists, for example? If the government planned to exterminate all atheists, what would you do?I am not an atheist. Not everbody who rejects the dumb abrahamic religions is automatically an atheist. The alternative to the fabricated Jew-ish god is not necessarily no-god.

For the record, despite your anti-Semitism, if I were in a position to assist you in leaving the country, even if it meant that I would be risking my life, I would do it.Thank you. But that wouldn't change the fact that Judaism is empty, and subsequently all its various offshoots.

No answer to my post, eh UB? I guess you can't do much more than spew Der Sturmer propaganda. Oh well.

No answer to my post, eh UB? I guess you can't do much more than spew Der Sturmer propaganda. Oh well.You were scribbling something pointless about 6 million dead Jews. As if the fact that Nazis killed that many Jews would increase the accuracy of biblical theology (and thus history) and make Judaism right.

If the govt. tried to commit genocide in the US? All I can say is Total Eradication of the govt.

If the govt. tried to commit genocide in the US? All I can say is Total Eradication of the govt.How?

You were scribbling something pointless about 6 million dead Jews. As if the fact that Nazis killed that many Jews would increase the accuracy of biblical theology and thus history and make Judaism right.

...no. Not at all.

For reference, here is the post you didn't respond to, or apparently read at all.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12818196&postcount=121

I am not defending the "accuracy of biblical theology" nor quibbling about how "right" Judaism is.

I was pointing out (well, tearing apart viciously) your foolish comparison of nazis to Jews (and Scientologists, lol).

For a guy who tells me to 'read my bible,' you don't do so much as read a single post. It's like you just have a javascript program that spouts out mildly anti-semitic garbage about how wrong the "Jew-god" is and just leave it at that, hoping it'll qualify as debate.

How?

Revolution

No. The Nazis killed way more people than that.

Yeah, they did. I'm being inaccurate here, sorry.

Honestly though, once you get past a certain amount, it doesn't become any more evil, just more prolific.

...no. Not at all.

For reference, here is the post you didn't respond to, or apparently read at all.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12818196&postcount=121

I am not defending the "accuracy of biblical theology" nor quibbling about how "right" Judaism is.

I was pointing out (well, tearing apart viciously) your foolish comparison of nazis to Jews (and Scientologists, lol).

For a guy who tells me to 'read my bible,' you don't do so much as read a single post. It's like you just have a javascript program that spouts out mildly anti-semitic garbage about how wrong the "Jew-god" is and just leave it at that, hoping it'll qualify as debate.You were referring to the Nazis killing Jews as if that had any relevance to what the two ideologies share. Both view non-members of their respective groups as inferior. If you had read the bible, you'd know that. Hebrews, Israelites, Jews commit the most violent of crimes in the bible in accordance to "god's" will. Some are even punished for showing mercy to the enemies of god's people (cf. king Saul). They take Canaan in an extremely violent way and massacre every human they can find. Their god kills those who don't believe in him (which means non-believers are worth nothing). Elijah has 450 non-Israelite priests killed. The ideology under this is what Jews hold true and dear (and it doesn't even matter that most of these stories may be completely made up, it's the expressed attitude that's relevant). For me it is close enough to the Nazi's ideology to dismiss it. And btw Jews themselves do believe they are a race, and they want to keep it "unstained" by regarding intermarriage a bad thing.

You were referring to the Nazis killing Jews as if that had any relevance to what the two ideologies share.

It does have relevance to whether they are, and I quote, "all the same" to you.

If nazis are truly the "same" as Jews, or Scientologists, then I'm just wondering where the Jews killed millions of people. Or where the Scientologists tried to (and nearly succeeded) in conquering Europe. You conveniently ignore facts just so you can try to make the stretch.

Both view non-members of their respective groups as inferior.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Irrelevant anyway.

Hebrews, Israelites, Jews commit the most violent of crimes in the bible

Oh, so while you accuse me of trying to defend the "accuracy" of the religion, you are using Biblical stories as some kind of incriminating truth? How delightfully versatile!

Some are even punished for showing mercy to the enemies of god's people (cf. king Saul).

... which makes them nazis, how?

They take Canaan in an extremely violent way and massacre every human they can find.

And this is a mythical story in a collection of religious mythology you're referring to, yes? Yes. Oops.

Their god kills

Oh, so maybe their god is a nazi? Let's just pronounce bigoted judgements based on the mythical actions of fictional deities, shall we.

those who don't believe in him (which means non-believers are worth nothing).

I don't believe killing someone reflects the "worth" of that someone.

Elijah has 450 non-Israelite priests killed.

This is the same Elijah who had 42 children torn apart by bears because they cursed the lord, yes?

Well, the god sent the bears, that is.

"She-bears," if I remember correctly. Very interesting, doesn't make anyone a nazi however.

The ideology under this is what Jews hold true and dear (and it doesn't even matter that most of these stories may be completely made up, it's the expressed attitude that's relevant). For me it is close enough to the Nazi's ideology to dismiss it.

For me, your obvious hatred of Jews (to the point where you'll accuse 'all religions,' but then quickly forget the others and concentrate on blaming the Jews) makes you much closer to the Nazis.

Nazism is a political, economic and social ideology.

Religions are spiritual and social guidelines.

If you can't really see the difference, then I pity you, for you are lacking something in your head that would enable you to see that the color blue and the ocean are not the same thing.

And btw Jews themselves do believe they are a race, and they want to keep it "unstained" by regarding intermarriage a bad thing.

Yeah, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm writing a big book of silly generalizations that anti-semites blurt out in a vain attempt to spread their propaganda of hatred and bigotry.

You were referring to the Nazis killing Jews as if that had any relevance to what the two ideologies share. Both view non-members of their respective groups as inferior. If you had read the bible, you'd know that. Hebrews, Israelites, Jews commit the most violent of crimes in the bible in accordance to "god's" will. Some are even punished for showing mercy to the enemies of god's people (cf. king Saul). They take Canaan in an extremely violent way and massacre every human they can find. Their god kills those who don't believe in him (which means non-believers are worth nothing). Elijah has 450 non-Israelite priests killed. The ideology under this is what Jews hold true and dear (and it doesn't even matter that most of these stories may be completely made up, it's the expressed attitude that's relevant). For me it is close enough to the Nazi's ideology to dismiss it. And btw Jews themselves do believe they are a race, and they want to keep it "unstained" by regarding intermarriage a bad thing.

You know, I find it really annoying that when I post things that refute your arguments and you simply keep posting them. You really don't read posts, do you?

We've already covered the "inferior non-Jews" aspect, so let's move on.

King Saul -- King Saul wasn't showing mercy. He was actually saving those few to become slaves in his household, putting them in the most demeaning positions possible. That's not exactly what I'd call "mercy".

Conquest of Canaan -- Let's look at this play-by-play. Jericho was the first city to be attacked. The Israelites wipe out most of the city, however, the survivors are allowed to intermarry with the Israelites and one of them happens to be one of Jesus's ancestors.

Next up we have Ai. Ai was wiped out after a few battles.

Next mentioned are the Gibeonites. These guys actually form a treaty with the Israelites under false pretences. When the Israelites found out, they still honored the treaty, and in fact later came to Gibeon's rescue when it was attacked by the other cities of Canaan. The next few cities attacked are those who attacked Gibeon without cause.

The next few chapters cover battles wherein the Canaanites attacked the Israelites, instead of the other way around. The Bible then proceeds to mention all the peoples that the Israelites *didn't* attack. So much for massacreing everyone they can find...

From then on, as far as I can tell, (it being difficult to read an entire book of the Bible in fifteen minutes), the book lists the military actions of individual tribes and individual men. I don't believe (though I can check again later) that there are any more concentrated Israelite actions after this point

So there you have it. Two cities that one could argue were destroyed without provocation, one of which had survivors who were allowed to intermarry with the nation of Israel. Several peoples who either allied with or were ignored by Israel. And individual actions by individual Israelites.

Elijah -- I just finished reading the account, and I'm not sure where you're getting the "non-Israelite" thing from. Perhaps if you read the entire book you'd realize that many Israelites worshipped Baal, and these priests could very well have been Israelites. At any rate, nowhere does it say they aren't.

Also, let's address Queen Jezebel's slaughter of the priests and prophets of the Hebrew God. Elijah himself points out that the priests of Baal are many, whilst Elijah is the lone prophet of the Hebrew God. Who's the bad guy here?

God Killing Unbelievers -- Well, he obviously didn't kill everyone, or there'd be precious few people in the Bible left. See again my earlier references to God's commands on the treatment of foreigners who journeyed in Israel. Oddly enough, one doesn't see God commanding His people to kill all unbelievers the moment they set foot in Israel. King David himself, a "man after God's own heart" as the Bible says, considered King Hiram, a Gentile and likely a non-believer, to be a good friend.

Much later in the Bible we see God sending Jonah to Ninevah. If anyone in the Bible deserved to be wiped out, it would be these guys. But here was God, telling Jonah to warn the Ninevites that God wasn't pleased with them and was planning to destroy them. If the Hebrew God considered unbelievers' lives to be nothing, don't you think He'd just have destroyed them with no warning? And that He wouldn't have shown mercy when they asked for it? The last two verses of Jonah are revealing as to how the Hebrew God views unbelievers.

Jewish Intermarrying -- In the Old Testament alone we have several instances of Jewish intermarriage with non-Jews. In the passages where this is viewed negatively, it is invariably because this intermarriage had turned them away from their God, not because they had married the "impure". You might be interested to know that four women in Jesus' lineage were not Jews: Tamar, Bathsheba, Ruth, and Rahab. Neither Christian nor Jew could successfully use the Bible to argue the concept of so-called "racial purity".

Today, I suspect that each Jew you ask might have a different answer. Of course you'd have to actually *ask* them, which I suppose you are loathe to do. Othodox Jews may indeed frown on intermarriage, but I suspect this has less to do with "racial purity" and more to do with their beliefs. When one regards the wide variety and backgrounds of the Jews one can find today, I would think that in itself could be used to refute your claim.

So there you have it. Several people have presented valid arguments and yet you unreasonably continue to refuse the notion that you may, in fact, be wrong. It's tragic, in a way, that you cut youself off from enjoying the company of some of these people simply because you dislike their ideology. Well, it's not tragic for *them*...but I digress.

So, anyone else have any interesting perspectives on the next possible Holocaust?

UB, does your silence mean that you are not in fact, a bad enough dude to save the Aryans?

UB, does your silence mean that you are not in fact, a bad enough dude to save the Aryans?


Burn! Reading all of UB's posts puts to me great shame as I look back a few years ago. I just cannot come to believe that I considered myself what he vehemently denies. And I believed much of what he claims to believe.

Anyways, to answer the topic at hand, as a member of the United States Army, I would turn traitor. I will not stand as a human being and be ordered to kill those deemed "inferiore" to me.

To U.S. Constitution gives the people the right to start a Revolution against the Federal Government if som ething like this were to happen.

Burn! Reading all of UB's posts puts to me great shame as I look back a few years ago. I just cannot come to believe that I considered myself what he vehemently denies. And I believed much of what he claims to believe.

Anyways, to answer the topic at hand, as a member of the United States Army, I would turn traitor. I will not stand as a human being and be ordered to kill those deemed "inferiore" to me.

To U.S. Constitution gives the people the right to start a Revolution against the Federal Government if som ething like this were to happen.

Naturally, I assume such a holocaust would be unconstitutional, in which case you wouldn't really be turning traitor, would you? As far as I know, the military is loyal to the constitution and its principles, not to any specific leader.

UB, does your silence mean that you are not in fact, a bad enough dude to save the Aryans?No, it means I have a job. And what Aryans do you refer to? Iranians?

Burn! Reading all of UB's posts puts to me great shame as I look back a few years ago. I just cannot come to believe that I considered myself what he vehemently denies. And I believed much of what he claims to believe.You also believed, or rather knew, that abrahamic religions are crap? Folks around here seem to think it takes a Nazi to come to this conclusion, but that's just as dumb as actually being a Nazi. They think Nazi is the natural enemy of Judaism, but in fact the real enemy of Judaism and every other abrahamic religion is knowledge.

You also believed, or rather knew, that abrahamic religions are crap? Folks around here seem to think it takes a Nazi to come to this conclusion, but that's just as dumb as actually being a Nazi. They think Nazi is the natural enemy of Judaism, but in fact the real enemy of Judaism and every other abrahamic religion is knowledge.

Go ahead then. Demonstrate how you're any different.

As far as I know, the military is loyal to the constitution and its principles, not to any specific leader.

Indeed but the President is also the Commander in Cheif of the Military.

You also believed, or rather knew, that abrahamic religions are crap?

No, I used my Christianity and the mild racisim that my dad has as my own and incoperated them into my neo-nazi beliefs at the time. Thank God I hold no such beliefs anymore.

What would you do if somehow you found out that the leaders of the new regime in your country was planning to mechanically exterminate all of a certain group of people the same way the nazis exterminated Jews and you turned out to be part of the targeted group?

Whether I'm being targetted or not, it's time to break out the molotovs and machineguns and join the resistance. I don't consider many things worth dying for, but I love America, and I'd fight and die to maintain it's principles. Of course, I would prefer that the fascists do all the dying.

Indeed but the President is also the Commander in Cheif of the Military.
That may be true, but all service-members swear an oath to the Constitution. Your duty is to protect and defend the Constitution, and that goes above any and all other obligations.



No, I used my Christianity and the mild racisim that my dad has as my own and incoperated them into my neo-nazi beliefs at the time. Thank God I hold no such beliefs anymore.

And the reformation of your views shows there is hope for humanity.

You also believed, or rather knew, that abrahamic religions are crap? Folks around here seem to think it takes a Nazi to come to this conclusion, but that's just as dumb as actually being a Nazi. They think Nazi is the natural enemy of Judaism, but in fact the real enemy of Judaism and every other abrahamic religion is knowledge.

So what?

How does that, in any way, justify the extermination of people who adhere to those beliefs?

So much for pluralistic, civil societies in the wild world of United Beleriand.

UB, I won't debate with you, because you are an intransigent anti-Semite. Instead, I will try to de-hijack this thread.

Whatever religion you are, if the government attempted to systematically exterminate that religion, what would you do?

UB, I won't debate with you, because you are an intransigent anti-Semite. Instead, I will try to de-hijack this thread.

Whatever religion you are, if the government attempted to systematically exterminate that religion, what would you do?

In the interest of steering this thread back in the right direction: I would resist and rebel with everything I had. When they've descided to exterminate you, nonviolent protest is no longer feasible. I would stand against the government with everything I had and every firearm and explosive I could get my hands on, and if no one would stand with me, then I would die for my country, the real America, the one that fought the Nazis rather than emulating them.

There's a time for talking with words, and theres a time for talking with bullets, and this would be the latter.

Heh, I guess the other right-wing Americans must not have let me in on their plans. None of the conservatives *I* know are like that. I work with immigrants and gays, and we get along fine. I don't see a need to attack their activities -- they chose them. Immigrants? They're people too, right? Why would I want to confine latino and hispanic people to ghettos? They've not done anything wrong that I know of. Care to enlighten me?

I guess you missed the whole Warner Act (http://dennisloo.blogspot.com/2007/02/warner-act-martial-law-enabling-act.html) which gives the President the abilty to declare marshall law in case of an "emergency". How about the whole shredding of the Constitution and Habeas Corpus????? How about illegal detanment with out the ability of recieving legal consel and without ever going to trial. Which is a violation of the Fifth Amendment Amendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) right of Due Process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process)???

Also check out Project for the New American Century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century)'s Website. Their goal is for America to become a global empire. They actually wanted 9/11 to happen for the Neocon take over the U.S.



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