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We declare:

Saint Hans’ Eve has always celebrated the tradition of burning away the evil, in earlier times symbolized by the witch, who was supposedly directly connected to Satan. And if the witch was not burned then the harvest could not be safely brought into the house.

Now a new evil has arrived in Europe, an evil that lies and kills in the name of their so-called God. An evil that springs from the so-called Prophet Mohammed. Therefore, in our time, it is he who symbolizes evil and it is not just one harvest that will disappear, but all of Western Europe’s future that will vanish if this evil is not dispatched to Hekkenfeldt [i.e. Hell, literally the Hekla volcano in Iceland — BB].

Therefore will we burn the so-called Prophet Mohammed, on June 23, 2007, in three nameless places.

We burned Mohammed in three different places across the country. We now release the video from the first burning. The next videos will be released on July 23 and August 23.

For a Mohammed-free Denmark!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ivqcOUWjsWw

Well, it can be said that burning people in effigy is pretty popular around the world, regardless of your religion.

I suppose this will ignite just as much controversy as the Danish cartoons, except that in this case, you can't tell the newspapers and magazines to stop publishing this - it's on the Internet now.

Ugh, is Denmark actually trying to turn itself into Europe's shithole?

It's good trolling, but it needs more Slowpoke.

"They kill in the name of their God… burn them! Burn them all!"

Couldn't this potentially be seen as the destruction of a forbidden representation of Mohammed, thus ironically increasing Muslim goodwill towards the protesters?

The Danish doing this is no better than when the Muslims do the same. If my neighbor murders someone, that doesn't make it right for me to murder someone.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Denmark needs to grow up.

I am of course disgusted, yet thoroughly unsurprised by the infidels' unsubtle acts of hatred and blasphemey. May they never prevail.

Couldn't this potentially be seen as the destruction of a forbidden representation of Mohammed, thus ironically increasing Muslim goodwill towards the protesters?

Not likely.

Couldn't this potentially be seen as the destruction of a forbidden representation of Mohammed, thus ironically increasing Muslim goodwill towards the protesters?

I hope the muslim community would reach this conclusion. It would make for days of hilarious news as muslim representatives thank their new Danish friends.

Okay, do the Danish have some kind of weird fetish for causing riots or something?

Its gonna be a great week for the Danish flag and match shops across the muslim world......................

Free Speech is a bitch.

Okay, do the Danish have some kind of weird fetish for causing riots or something?

They're starting to seem like real world trolls.

Okay, do the Danish have some kind of weird fetish for causing riots or something?

Its gonna be a great week for the Danish flag and match shops across the muslim world......................

Wait a second… maybe this is all just a scam to provide a much needed boost to the Danish flag industry!

Free Speech is a bitch.

No, Free Speech is all right, it's Free Burning that's a bit tiresome.

No, Free Speech is all right, it's Free Burning that's a bit tiresome.

It's not free. Effigies are expensive these days.

Wait a second… maybe this is all just a scam to provide a much needed boost to the Danish flag industry!


No it a Midle eastern scam how do you thing the middle east can afford to sell us so much oil?
They hook up all those burning flags to a genarator! They've been on renewable energy for years...........

I hope the muslim community would reach this conclusion. It would make for days of hilarious news as muslim representatives thank their new Danish friends.

Yeah, they'd be frantically thinking of ways to blasphemy Islam.

"Quick! What do muslims care about..."
"Umm...They seem to talk about Israel alot..."
"Quick! Get me an Israeli flag!"
*Dane pisses on Israeli flag*
"Friiiennndddsss"
"IT DIDN'T WORK!"
"Dammit!"
"WE'RE BEING HUGGED BY MEN!"
"MY SEXUALITY IS BEING CHALLENGED!"
"AAAGGH! NOW WE'RE BEING HUGGED BY WOMAN IN FULL BODY COVERS!"
"MY SEXUALITY IS BEING CHALLENGED AGAIN!"

Oh man I love the Danes :P. I wonder how the Muslim reaction will look like.

Danish Cartoon of "Bomb" Mohammed = Fatwas, death threats, riots, etc.
Knighting of Rushdie = Fatwas, death threats, etc.
Burning of Mohammed in effigy = World War IV*

















*Yes, FOUR. They'll be so pissed off that they'll skip World War III altogether.

Oh man I love the Danes :P. I wonder how the Muslim reaction will look like.

They'll burn danish flags.

Have you ever considered that launching Denmark and the Middle East might help ease global warming? For one thing, no more oil from the Mideast.

For another, think of all the Co2 emissions these assholes are producing by torching stuff.

The Danish doing this is no better than when the Muslims do the same. If my neighbor murders someone, that doesn't make it right for me to murder someone.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Denmark needs to grow up.

so you're also against flag burning I take it?

*Yes, FOUR. They'll be so pissed off that they'll skip World War III altogether.

But isn't World War IV supposed to be fought with sticks and stones? I think we're in the clear if they go that far...but then again, sticks can really hurt and rocks put some nasty dents in your car.

turnabout is fair play.

the mullah-hypnotized masses of the mideast have been burning danes in effigy for a year now, and carrying around their inane anti-danish posters

i hope they faint and fall in it, violent self righteous ignoramuses

Danish Cartoon of "Bomb" Mohammed = Fatwas, death threats, riots, etc.
Knighting of Rushdie = Fatwas, death threats, etc.
Burning of Mohammed in effigy = World War IV*

















*Yes, FOUR. They'll be so pissed off that they'll skip World War III altogether.

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humour.

But isn't World War IV supposed to be fought with sticks and stones? I think we're in the clear if they go that far...but then again, sticks can really hurt and rocks put some nasty dents in your car.

Cruise missiles can make a bigger dent. Heh, this one time someone cut me off on the highway, so I called up the National Defense… but that's a story for another day.

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humour.

And you might think we give an airborne fuck about your fundamentalist views.

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humour.

But all gods should have a sense of humour… also, religion should be more like Friends.

And you might think we give an airborne fuck about your fundamentalist views.

An airborne fuck sounds extraordinarily kinky, as long as a burka is used.

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humour.

And you are?

But all gods should have a sense of humour… also, religion should be more like Friends.

Bah. I can think of many other programs of infidel television entertainment that I would desire religion to more closely resemble.

An airborne fuck sounds extraordinarily kinky, as long as a burka is used.

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humor.

Bah. I can think of many other programs of infidel television entertainment that I would desire religion to more closely resemble.

...Oh...you can't be for real...

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humour.

Must be a seriously unpleasant son of a bitch, then.

It's nice to know that there are some people who are willing to strike a blow for Freedom of Speech however much the Leftists of America, Australia, and Europe do nothing but kowtow and grovel before the jihadis. :)

Bah. I can think of many other programs of infidel television entertainment that I would desire religion to more closely resemble.

Like FOXNews?

turnabout is fair play.

the mullah-hypnotized masses of the mideast have been burning danes in effigy for a year now, and carrying around their inane anti-danish posters

i hope they faint and fall in it, violent self righteous ignoramuses
No amount of wrongs will make a right.
You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humour.

Dude, have you ever seen a platypus? If someone created that thing they must have a sense of humour.

...Oh...you can't be for real...

I agree. Pretty sure he isn't.

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humour.

Allah stinks.

Dude, have you ever seen a platypus? If someone created that thing they must have a sense of humour.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say every living thing on Australia is part of God's private joke.

Bah. I can think of many other programs of infidel television entertainment that I would desire religion to more closely resemble.

Playboy Movie Hour: Backdoor Babes 28: Return of the Son of they came from the Mummy then?

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humor.

I'm not Allah, and I have taken steps that my fantasy not offend Him, hence the burka.

No amount of wrongs will make a right.


Dude, have you ever seen a platypus? If someone created that thing they must have a sense of humour.

Not humour, Schadenfreude.

...Oh...you can't be for real...

Man, wouldn't it be great if more people were actually like that?

"Allah has no sense of humor!"
"Ooo...'Burqa Babes of Saudi Arabia' is on at six!"

I'm going to go out on a limb and say every living thing on Australia is part of God's private joke.

Well, there are a lot of marsupials there… they've got to be someone's private joke…

I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it.

Burn away, bastards. :p

I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it.

Burn away, bastards. :p

Are allowing the bastards to burn things, or are you telling the bastards to burn away? :D

Or, better yet, both!

Are allowing the bastards to burn things, or are you telling the bastards to burn away? :D

Or, better yet, both!

Buddhist fundamentalists know how to protest. Self-immolation for the win!

"Other fundamentalists killing in the name of their religion stop and go, 'what the fuck are you doing?!?' The buddhist says, 'Making you deal with your shit!' " -Robin Williams.

:D

Sounds like one hell of a good party. *Makes a personal note to mark the calendar and toast the Aesir with a pint.*

I'm going to go out on a limb and say every living thing on Australia is part of God's private joke.

Especially John Howard.

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humor.

Let me get this straight. The guy who invented people lacks a sense of humor? A sense of humor needed to create the human race? This is why I'm not a Muslim. Islam confuses me with its contradictions.

Anyway, all those Middle Eastern and European Muslims need to get over themselves. When was the last time Christians took to the street and started rioting whenever some a-hole drew a picture of Jesus with a bomb on his head or eating shit? When was the last time Bhudists rioted when someone insulted Buda? There's a reason Christians pretty much abandoned witch burnings and Inquisitions. Not as effective as converting a lot of people and taking over half the world. Well, what they saw as the good half.

The Danish doing this is no better than when the Muslims do the same. If my neighbor murders someone, that doesn't make it right for me to murder someone.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Denmark needs to grow up.

I understand where you're coming from, but the Muslims need to grow up too, and not get so "offended" and "hypersensitive" when someone speaks critically of their "prophet".

Or caricatures him.

Or burns him in effigy.

At the very least, they (Muslims) should not insist on killing them (people who speak negatively of Islam, Muslims, and Mohammed).

Let me get this straight. The guy who invented people lacks a sense of humor? A sense of humor needed to create the human race? This is why I'm not a Muslim. Islam confuses me with its contradictions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/irony

Check it out sometime.

I wish the Danes would burn the symbol of another religion. Flaming Buddha's strike me as far safer in the long run.

Anyway, all those Middle Eastern and European Muslims need to get over themselves. When was the last time Christians took to the street and started rioting whenever some a-hole drew a picture of Jesus with a bomb on his head or eating shit? When was the last time Bhudists rioted when someone insulted Buda? There's a reason Christians pretty much abandoned witch burnings and Inquisitions. Not as effective as converting a lot of people and taking over half the world. Well, what they saw as the good half.

Yeah, it's not like there's anyone in Denmark who's going crazy because of something silly like a few muslims in the country. Doing stupid things like burning effigies of mohammed. Nope. Nothing like that.



Oh wait.........

You might think it a joke, but Allah has no sense of humour.

Ain't that the truth, Ruth!

I wish the Danes would burn the symbol of another religion. Flaming Buddha's strike me as far safer in the long run.

Is it just me or does Flaming Buddha sounds like a cocktail?

They should make the effigy out of pork and slow-burn it with lots of BBQ sauce. There should also be cole slaw and fried taters. Punch and pie, also.

I'm not Allah, and I have taken steps that my fantasy not offend Him, hence the burka.

So you're saying that Allah is so blind that hiding under a burka will conceal your vile and sinful thoughts from Allah's sight?

...

Hey guys, guess it's okay to draw images of Mohammad as long as the artist wears a burka!

Is it just me or does Flaming Buddha sounds like a cocktail?

Sounds more like a curry house to me.

No amount of wrongs will make a right.


Dude, have you ever seen a platypus? If someone created that thing they must have a sense of humour.

What about the WRONG2K effect, where all wrongs will reset into a right?

They should make the effigy out of pork and slow-burn it with lots of BBQ sauce. There should also be cole slaw and fried taters. Punch and pie, also.

Oh, aren't you just the maturest little guy...You're so cute when you're revealing your bigotry...

So you're saying that Allah is so blind that hiding under a burka will conceal your vile and sinful thoughts from Allah's sight?

...

Hey guys, guess it's okay to draw images of Mohammad as long as the artist wears a burka!

You misunderstand, I never said I would wear one.

You misunderstand, I never said I would wear one.

You should wear one over your mouth. Or better yet, stuff it right in there.

You should wear one over your mouth. Or better yet, stuff it right in there.

Don't you mean my fingers, if you mean cleverly deceive me into silencing myself? Allah strongly disapproves of any contact between the mouth and the keyboard, I might remind you.

Oh, aren't you just the maturest little guy...You're so cute when you're revealing your bigotry...

I thought it was funny.

You misunderstand, I never said I would wear one.

Pity. I see you prefer to use it to persecute women and create a system of sexual inequality. I think it would have made a pretty cool fashion statement.

so you're also against flag burning I take it?

I never said that, but you know that is not why the Danes are doing this. This is not an expression of freedom, this is a three year old on the playground throwing sand back at the kid who first threw sand. They are acting like children, and if I have learned anything from being a child it is that children and fire don't mix.

Are you saying you supported the Muslims when they were burning stuff?

Oh, aren't you just the maturest little guy...You're so cute when you're revealing your bigotry...

I have revealed nothing but my love of pork. It is my greatest love. I have written numerous Por-Kus on the subject. Here is one:

In the pan, sizzling

Uncured Fatback suffusing

My toast, preciously.


Now aren't you ashamed of yourself for judging me so harshly and accusing me of bigotry when I am cleary just a pork devotee.

You may apologize now.

Don't you mean my fingers, if you mean cleverly deceive me into silencing myself? Allah strongly disapproves of any contact between the mouth and the keyboard, I might remind you.

You got it.

I would have suspected as such, so why don't you just hit your head into the walls a few times. You won't even know when you're making out with the keyboard!

I understand where you're coming from, but the Muslims need to grow up too, and not get so "offended" and "hypersensitive" when someone speaks critically of their "prophet".

Or caricatures him.

Or burns him in effigy.

At the very least, they (Muslims) should not insist on killing them (people who speak negatively of Islam, Muslims, and Mohammed).

I never said they didn't need to grow up. In fact, in my post, I basically stated that what the Muslims burning effigies over the cartoon thing did was wrong when I said "two wrongs don't make a right".

Now aren't you ashamed of yourself for judging me so harshly and accusing me of bigotry when I am cleary just a pork devotee.

You may apologize now.

No and no.

It's those Dansk Folkparti types again, no doubt. Danes like to piss people off, no question, but I never got the impression that most of them were bigots.

I never said that, but you know that is not why the Danes are doing this. This is not an expression of freedom, this is a three year old on the playground throwing sand back at the kid who first threw sand.

and buring a flag also isn't an expression of Freedom. it's done for the same reason an effigy is used. To show discontent or a form of protest.

if you call burning an Effigy (for whatever reason) wrong, then burning a flag is also wrong in your eyes.

Ma'alish - who cares anyway? He's been dead for 1,400 years. What the Danes really needed to do was to burn the Koran. After all, that's what the jihadists keep quoting as they set up their plans to kill Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Confucians, Hindus, etc., etc. Isn't it amazing how, throughout recorded history, it seems that every time two countries go to war they both loudly proclaim "God is on our side!" - at least one of them is always wrong - could it be that both countries are wrong? Nah - that's too logical.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ivqcOUWjsWw

Well, it can be said that burning people in effigy is pretty popular around the world, regardless of your religion.

Free speech: it's not just a good idea, it's the law!

I suppose this will ignite just as much controversy as the Danish cartoons, except that in this case, you can't tell the newspapers and magazines to stop publishing this - it's on the Internet now.

And safely downloaded :D

Ma'alish - who cares anyway? He's been dead for 1,400 years. What the Danes really needed to do was to burn the Koran.

Do I get to burn a New Testament for all the Jews killed by Christians in various holy wars, crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, etc?

To show discontent or a form of protest.

That isn't why the Danes are burning it, and you know it. They are burning it because the other three year old did.

Do I get to burn a New Testament for all the Jews killed by Christians in various holy wars, crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, etc?

Sure, burn anything you like. As long as it's not someone else's property.

You got it.

I would have suspected as such, so why don't you just hit your head into the walls a few times. You won't even know when you're making out with the keyboard!

I doubt it. My keyboard is a slut (I know of several other men who have inappropriately touched its 'insert' key), and I'm careful when it come to that.

If you call burning an Effigy (for whatever reason) wrong, then burning a flag is also wrong in your eyes.

Well… yes and no. A burning a flag is a protest against a nation or administration as a whole, effigy burning seems more personal. I mean, if I burnt an effigy of you on my front lawn, wouldn't that be more offensive to you personally than if I burned your country's flag?

Granted, it's an effigy of a prophet… but still… it reeks of the 17th century…

Do I get to burn a New Testament for all the Jews killed by Christians in various holy wars, crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, etc?

Burn… a book? *washes eyes, post still visible, screams*

Normally I would condone this, but it sounds more like fanatical Christians trying to piss off fanatical Muslims. I have no desire to side with fanatical Christians.

Well… yes and no. A burning a flag is a protest against a nation or administration as a whole, effigy burning seems more personal. I mean, if I burnt an effigy of you on my front lawn, wouldn't that be more offensive to you personally than if I burned your country's flag?

Granted, it's an effigy of a prophet… but still… it reeks of the 17th century…

If you burnt an effigy of me on my front lawn, first of all, that would be trespassing, possibly arson, and definitely a threat of violence. If you were to burn an effigy of one of my heroes, say David Suzuki, on your own lawn it would be offensive to me to just about the same extent as burning a flag. Both represent ideals, but part of my ideals would be to respect your right to burn the effigy/flag. Now just because I acknowledge your right, doesn't mean I agree with your political statement, and certainly not your methods of expression.

And yes, it does seem a bit out of place for a modern Scandinavian country. I'm just thinking "that's so Guy Fawkes Day".

And yes, it does seem a bit out of place for a modern Scandinavian country. I'm just thinking "that's so Guy Fawkes Day".

Oh, they have their religious nuts just like any other place. It's also a very insular culture and a lot of people, though they aren't bigots in any sense, just don't understand what a big deal this kind of thing is to Muslims.

Burn… a book? *washes eyes, post still visible, screams*

Actually, I am highly against burning of books. Any books. Even Mein Kampf, and I'm Jewish.

I was responding to a rather lunatic post suggesting we should be burning Korans because of the response of a minority of Muslims to the Danish cartoons. The Koran is, of course, also a book.

The Danish doing this is no better than when the Muslims do the same. If my neighbor murders someone, that doesn't make it right for me to murder someone.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Denmark needs to grow up.

The Danes didn't kill anyone - they burned effigies, i.e. inanimate representations, in a religious ritual. This is much to be preferred to "suicide" bombers killing real people in an extreme fundamentalist religious furor. Unfortunately, Muslim extremists, who recognize no one's rights but their own, will take exception to this and kill real people in retaliation.

Do I get to burn a New Testament for all the Jews killed by Christians in various holy wars, crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, etc?

Go for it; more likely then not, you'd get a "meh" from the Christian community, rather then "How dare you insult our religion of peace! You must die!"

Go for it; more likely then not, you'd get a "meh" from the Christian community, rather then "How dare you insult our religion of peace! You must die!"

Haven't met much of the Christian Right in the US, have you? If they hear that a Jew burned a New Testament, they'll be chasing me down with a new Cross to put me on, only without a Resurrection.

The Danes didn't kill anyone - they burned effigies, i.e. inanimate representations, in a religious ritual. This is much to be preferred to "suicide" bombers killing real people in an extreme fundamentalist religious furor. Unfortunately, Muslim extremists, who recognize no one's rights but their own, will take exception to this and kill real people in retaliation.

This is being done in retaliation to Muslims burning effigies over the cartoons, not suicide bombings. They would not have picked "burning effigies" otherwise. The Danes doing this are just being 3 year olds screaming in a sandbox.

Haven't met much of the Christian Right in the US, have you? If they hear that a Jew burned a New Testament, they'll be chasing me down with a new Cross to put me on, only without a Resurrection.

Don't feel all alone, they'd do that to anyone.

I love the Danes.

*Goes out and buys a whole truckload of Danish products.* :D

Haven't met much of the Christian Right in the US, have you? If they hear that a Jew burned a New Testament, they'll be chasing me down with a new Cross to put me on, only without a Resurrection.

Maybe if you went to some backwater shithole in the Deep South, but you're not going to have massive protests on the scale of the Mohammad cartoons; large mobs of Evangelists arn't going to storm any embassies because of it.

Maybe if you went to some backwater shithole in the Deep South, but you're not going to have massive protests on the scale of the Mohammad cartoons; large mobs of Evangelists arn't going to storm any embassies because of it.

I'm talking Massachusetts, and you can bet I would have people all over my front yard picketing and such if I started burning New Testaments.

I'm talking Massachusetts, and you can bet I would have people all over my front yard picketing and such if I started burning New Testaments.

Well of course; they have as much right to protest you as you have to protest the NT. The difference being, they are far less likely to to storm your house and burn you. :D

Well of course; they have as much right to protest you as you have to protest the NT. The difference being, they are far less likely to to storm your house and burn you. :D

Honest to God, I wouldn't put it past the Southern Baptists here. They don't like me very much.

And Kimchi's therapist was hoping he'd make progress on the Methadone Therapy of posting "H1tl3rry Cl1n70n 1z t3h 3b1l" instead of the usual Islamaphobic hogwash too.

Clearly Denmark is saluting Drunk Commies Deleted by going out of their way to piss of Jihadi fruitcakes who will react predictably in a way that makes it comfortable for the world to assume all Muslims are part of the same hivemind.

And Kimchi's therapist was hoping he'd make progress on the Methadone Therapy of posting "H1tl3rry Cl1n70n 1z t3h 3b1l" instead of the usual Islamaphobic hogwash too.

Clearly Denmark is saluting Drunk Commies Deleted by going out of their way to piss of Jihadi fruitcakes who will react predictably in a way that makes it comfortable for the world to assume all Muslims are part of the same hivemind.

I know too many Muslims to assume that, I would hope the rest of the people in the world are that intelligent. But I also know that religious extremists are louder, stupider, more willfully ignorant and more dangerous than than their mainstream counterparts and will drag the rest down with them if they can.

Ugh. I can't help but feel that burning 'Mohammed' was needlessly inflammatory, but I'm all for the right to do it. Can't be helpful, though. :( A peaceful demonstration would've been enough, it seems.

I love the Danes.

*Goes out and buys a whole truckload of Danish products.* :D

What do we even import from over there? :p I like the Danes too, but I can't think of much.

Ugh. I can't help but feel that burning 'Mohammed' was needlessly inflammatory, but I'm all for the right to do it. Can't be helpful, though. :( A peaceful demonstration would've been enough, it seems.

Burning a symbol is peaceful. Killing someone because they burned a symbol is not.

I know too many Muslims to assume that, I would hope the rest of the people in the world are that intelligent. But I also know that religious extremists are louder, stupider, more willfully ignorant and more dangerous than than their mainstream counterparts and will drag the rest down with them if they can.

And too many of the rest of the world are all too comfortable with lumping them all together, especially the OP.

Burning a symbol is peaceful. Killing someone because they burned a symbol is not.

I'm not sure setting fire to things is completely peaceful, but it's not a major point. I guess what I meant was that a slightly *more* peaceful protest might've been preferrable. The whole burning thing is something that in my book denotes extremism, that's all.

I almost kind of hope the danes get what they deserve for doing this.

I almost kind of hope the danes get what they deserve for doing this.

And what is it you think they deserve? ;)

What do we even import from over there? :p I like the Danes too, but I can't think of much.

Cheese.

Cheese.

Yeah, probably. I thought it would be something like that. :p

And what is it you think they deserve? ;)

Well, if you go up to a bully, and you run your mouth off, then you sorta deserve the ass beating coming your way, no? :p

Well, if you go up to a bully, and you run your mouth off, then you sorta deserve the ass beating coming your way, no? :p

Yeah, I get the idea. In the context of political protest, I'd hope the other side would give as good as they get using regular political tactics directed at their particular political foes, though, rather than the usual random attack on the country as a whole. ;)

Yeah, I get the idea. In the context of political protest, I'd hope the other side would give as good as they get using regular political tactics directed at their particular political foes, though, rather than the usual random attack on the country as a whole. ;)

They could burn Spam and sing The Song.

I'm not sure setting fire to things is completely peaceful, but it's not a major point. I guess what I meant was that a slightly *more* peaceful protest might've been preferrable. The whole burning thing is something that in my book denotes extremism, that's all.

The burning of the effigy was a religious ritual in honor of St. Hans Day. Previously they burned witches as a symbol of evil. As a Wiccan, I could find that offensive, but I choose not to. This year they elected to burn another symbol of what they consider to be hateful behavior. Are you implying that they have less right to their religious rituals and choices than Muslims just because someone might be offended by it? Thats way too PC for me. You're implying that because some Muslims are childish enough to be offended by someone disapproving of their actions and showing it, everyone should walk on eggs around them. You do that with children, they become spoiled brats with an overblown notion of their own importance. You do that with so-called adults and you've given them power over you and you can write off any notion you have of freedom or safety.

He who gives up freedom for security deserves, and gets, neither.

The burning of the effigy was a religious ritual in honor of St. Hans Day. Previously they burned witches as a symbol of evil. As a Wiccan, I could find that offensive, but I choose not to. This year they elected to burn another symbol of what they consider to be hateful behavior. Are you implying that they have less right to their religious rituals and choices than Muslims just because someone might be offended by it? Thats way too PC for me. You're implying that because some Muslims are childish enough to be offended by someone disapproving of their actions and showing it, everyone should walk on eggs around them. You do that with children, they become spoiled brats with an overblown notion of their own importance. You do that with so-called adults and you've given them power over you and you can write off any notion you have of freedom or safety.

He who gives up freedom for security deserves, and gets, neither.

I'm speculating that there might've been a better option, not saying that their activities should've been supressed in any way. Suggesting an alternative doesn't mean I wish to see their activities crushed by a police action. ;)

They could burn Spam and sing The Song.

I'm intrigued - what's The Song? :p

I'm speculating that there might've been a better option, not saying that their activities should've been supressed in any way. Suggesting an alternative doesn't mean I wish to see their activities crushed by a police action. ;)

And I suggest that certain Muslim extremists grow up and find another way than killing people to get their point across. It won't happen, though.

Great way to boost their flag sales.

I almost kind of hope the danes get what they deserve for doing this.
Oh, and what would that be? A good beating for not being recalcitrant, docile sheep? Heaven forbid some religious nutjobs wrapped in cotton wool are offended (when their own divine texts, of course, preach hatred against anyone who disagrees with the offensive content)!

Sure, this is puerile and even borders on idiotic. I can't say I pity the Muslims though, anymore than I pity any other overgrown cult. They'll no doubt descend into emotive hysteria, and reciprocate the idiocy, as is the norm. Such attention whores.

And I suggest that certain Muslim extremists grow up and find another way than killing people to get their point across. It won't happen, though.

That really wouldbe the best of all worlds. Not a good situation right now, it seems. :(

I'm intrigued - what's The Song? :p

The Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFrtpT1mKy8)

And the protestors can dress up like Vikings while they're at it too.

The Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFrtpT1mKy8)

And the protestors can dress up like Vikings while they're at it too.

Heh. That'd be something to see. :p

I'm going to go out on a limb and say every living thing on Australia is part of God's private joke.

*Laughs at self*

They're starting to seem like real world trolls.

I guess Lego wasn't enough...

Stupidity.

Is anyone else here disturbed not by the fact that these morons would burn an effigy of Muhammad, but by the fact that they burned an effigy of a WITCH every year prior and never, ever made the news due to this kind of behavior? We're not talking about "reasonable" people here, we're talking about people that would gladly do this to all other religions, Islam, Wicca or whatever, if they could. We're talking about people that have values one would find in 1692, in Salem, MA. People that do a "harvest ritual" not that different in principle from the one described in Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery". So, before going "oh, it's their free speech" or "they should shut the hell up", we might want to wonder why does this kind of people EXIST in the first place.

We're talking about people that have values one would find in 1692, in Salem, MA.

Actually, they never burned anyone during the Salem Witch Trials. It had been outlawed years before, I think because it was deemed to be too barbaric.

So actually, these people are even more backward than the Salem Witch Trials people. And those guys found dogs guilty of witchcraft.

Good on them. A little excessive perhaps, but, in attempting to expurgate Islam from their nation, at least they are showing commendable intent.

Good on them. A little excessive perhaps, but, in attempting to expurgate Islam from their nation, at least they are showing commendable intent.

Hooray for bigotry. Maybe you should move there.

Actually, they never burned anyone during the Salem Witch Trials. It had been outlawed years before, I think because it was deemed to be too barbaric.

So actually, these people are even more backward than the Salem Witch Trials people. And those guys found dogs guilty of witchcraft.

Yes, I know, they "merely" hanged the "witches". I'm an occultist, I know this kind of thing. But the point remains. ;)

DANES:
Drawing things of Mohammad
Burning an Effigy of Mohammad

MUSLIMS:
Murdering
Protesting
Burning down people's properties
Death threats
etc.

Who says the Danes are on the same playing field?

DANES:
Drawing things of Mohammad
Burning an Effigy of Mohammad

MUSLIMS:
Murdering
Protesting
Burning down people's properties
Death threats
etc.

Who says the Danes are on the same playing field?

Wow, there are no Danish murderers or protestors? I never knew! :eek:

And I'm quite sure burning Mohammed in effigy would count as a protest.

Hooray for bigotry. Maybe you should move there.

Perhaps. God knows I'm not staying in the multicultural cesspit that is Britain, though; an article in the Telegraph today found that one in ten of British citizens was born outside of the British isles, notwithstanding the profileration of second and third generation immigrants who remain culturally an socially isolated from Britain as a whole.

Good on them. A little excessive perhaps, but, in attempting to expurgate witchcraft from their nation, at least they are showing commendable intent.

You're in good company, TBC.

Perhaps. God knows I'm not staying in the multicultural cesspit that is Britain, though; an article in the Telegraph today found that one in ten of British citizens was born outside of the British isles, notwithstanding the profileration of second and third generation immigrants who remain culturally an socially isolated from Britain as a whole.

Do you honestly know how paranoid, racist, and outright ridiculous you sound?

Hooray for bigotry. Maybe you should move there.

Hooray for mindless drones opening their arms to organized religion.

Perhaps. God knows I'm not staying in the multicultural cesspit that is Britain, though; an article in the Telegraph today found that one in ten of British citizens was born outside of the British isles, notwithstanding the profileration of second and third generation immigrants who remain culturally an socially isolated from Britain as a whole.

But if you leave, where will you find your Glorious English White Culture?

Hooray for mindless drones opening their arms to organized religion.

Yes, since I must be some kind of crazy religious wacko to believe immigrants won't murder us all in our sleep.

Yes, since I must be some kind of crazy religious wacko to believe immigrants won't murder us all in our sleep.

Nope, I can just foresee the political and social problems the mix of organized religion and secularism will bring to Europe. You can leave northern and eastern Europe to their selves while you go live in one of the backwards western or southern ones. We'll sit here while we see how efficient life will be for them in the coming decades.

But if you leave, where will you find your Glorious English White Culture?

It exists? I rather felt it had been eroded into nothingness by successive waves of unrestricted immigration.

Frankly, almost anywhere would be preferable to the UK. The only areas that are remotely appealing, namely, the countryside, are now having "social housing" foisted upon them.

But if you leave, where will you find your Glorious English White Culture?

Last I heard he was planning to emigrate to Ireland. TBC, joining the ranks of the immigrants he so despises. Amusing.

It exists? I rather felt it had been eroded into nothingness by successive waves of unrestricted immigration.

Frankly, almost anywhere would be preferable to the UK. The only areas that are remotely appealing, namely, the countryside, are now having "social housing" foisted upon them.

You may like one of the Scandinavian countries. Eastern Europe wouldn't be so bad either if their economy wasn't fucked up by the west's nudging.

It exists? I rather felt it had been eroded into nothingness by successive waves of unrestricted immigration.

Frankly, almost anywhere would be preferable to the UK. The only areas that are remotely appealing, namely, the countryside, are now having "social housing" foisted upon them.

What? Giving poor people houses? That's no good. It's a slippery slope. If you give 'em houses, next their gonna want clothing, and then food, and then water...

And then whaddya got? I'll tell you what you got-An insufficient number of corpses to build a house for a rich person. And nobody wants that.

In a poll I read about some time ago, people in muslim countries consider Denmark the most dangerous country after the USA, Britain and Israel. :p

It exists? I rather felt it had been eroded into nothingness by successive waves of unrestricted immigration.

Frankly, almost anywhere would be preferable to the UK. The only areas that are remotely appealing, namely, the countryside, are now having "social housing" foisted upon them.

You wouldn't want to come to Canada. Immigrants like me, and multicultural people like my children, are all over the place here.

There are a few white people here who want to keep Canada white, but they mostly live in rural areas with little internet access. I guess you could go there.

I never said that, but you know that is not why the Danes are doing this. This is not an expression of freedom, this is a three year old on the playground throwing sand back at the kid who first threw sand. They are acting like children, and if I have learned anything from being a child it is that children and fire don't mix.

Surely if the Danes wanted to 'throw sand back' they'd have to organise a boycott of the Muslim world while murdering the occasional Danish Muslim?

Are you saying you supported the Muslims when they were burning stuff?

They had the right to burn effigies even if I didn't support it, it was the calls for violence (and actual violence) which were unacceptable.

Do I get to burn a New Testament for all the Jews killed by Christians in various holy wars, crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, etc?

If you really want to then fine, just make sure there's no risk of the fire spreading.

In a poll I read about some time ago, people in muslim countries consider Denmark the most dangerous country after the USA, Britain and Israel. :p

What the hell? If anyone's going to be the most dangerous country in the world it's going to be us! I say we reform the British Empire and send in a gunboat.

It's nice to know that there are some people who are willing to strike a blow for Freedom of Speech however much the Leftists of America, Australia, and Europe do nothing but kowtow and grovel before the jihadis. :)

Most of the "leftists" value freedom of speech deeply, they just choose to be smarter at when to use it

The right to speak does not mean your speech is right.

You may like one of the Scandinavian countries. Eastern Europe wouldn't be so bad either if their economy wasn't fucked up by the west's nudging.
Actually, if immigration is his vice, then Scandinavia is inappropriate. Even countries like Norway have a substantial degree of immigration nowadays. It is a myth that they are free of it. Iceland is an exception to the rule though.

Actually, if immigration is his vice, then Scandinavia is inappropriate. Even countries like Norway have a substantial degree of immigration nowadays. It is a myth that they are free of it. Iceland is an exception to the rule though.

I'm sure Iraq is pretty low on immigrants right now.

DANES:
Drawing things of Mohammad
Burning an Effigy of Mohammad

MUSLIMS:
Murdering
Protesting
Burning down people's properties
Death threats
etc.

One cannot justify their own wrong doings with the argument, "but the other guy did worse than me".

I'm still not allowed to rape someone if my neighbor commits murder (not that I would want to, but it can be used to illustrate this point). I cannot use the argument, "It was OK for me to rape Sally because Steve over there murdered Jack, and murder is so much worse".

If you really want to then fine, just make sure there's no risk of the fire spreading.

You don't know the Southern Baptists round here...

Awesome. I'm glad people are doing this. The west needs to stand up to muslims and let them know that we still have a backbone.

Awesome. I'm glad people are doing this. The west needs to stand up to muslims and let them know that we still have a backbone.

Yes, because burning an effigy certainly demonstrates backbone more than invading Iraq and Afghanistan and having hundreds of thousands of troops in combat. :rolleyes:

Yes, because burning an effigy certainly demonstrates backbone more than invading Iraq and Afghanistan and having hundreds of thousands of troops in combat. :rolleyes:

Yeah, well that's America, the Great Satan, and Britian. Continental Europe has not flexed its muscles in a long time. They need to remind the muslims that they do. (I realize there are NATO troops in Afghanistan, but its the US and Britain taking the heaviest burden.)

Yeah, well that's America, the Great Satan, and Britian. Continental Europe has not flexed its muscles in a long time. They need to remind the muslims that they do. (I realize there are NATO troops in Afghanistan, but its the US and Britain taking the heaviest burden.)

Yes, because burning effigies is really going to make Muslims go "Oh my god! Those guys could kick my ass!" Instead of "Man, what a bunch of morons. No wonder they had to learn about the number 0 from our ancestors."

Yes, because burning effigies is really going to make Muslims go "Oh my god! Those guys could kick my ass!" Instead of "Man, what a bunch of morons. No wonder they had to learn about the number 0 from our ancestors."

As far as I know the muslims in Iran burn effigies of US leaders every week. So I wouldn't be so quick to condemn a dozen or so being burned in Europe. Besides, Islam is a fallen civilization. They had their peak, what, 1000 years ago, and have stayed where they were ever since. Look at where the leading technologies come from today, Europe, US, and Japan.

Perhaps. God knows I'm not staying in the multicultural cesspit that is Britain, though; an article in the Telegraph today found that one in ten of British citizens was born outside of the British isles, notwithstanding the profileration of second and third generation immigrants who remain culturally an socially isolated from Britain as a whole.

I feel your pain. The demographic situation that has been allowed, or worse encouraged, to develop in the UK is a disaster for civilized humanity.

Just think of it: only 67 years from "their finest hour" to "Londonistan." Winston Churchill must be spinning in his grave like a Spitfire's propeller.

Well, if you go up to a bully, and you run your mouth off, then you sorta deserve the ass beating coming your way, no? :p

The short answer is "NO!"

The long answer is, "Not only "NO!", but the bully must be forced to change his brutish behavior and conform to the norms of civilization. And if that requires administering a severe "ass beating" to the bully, then go fetch the axe-handle."

I feel your pain. The demographic situation that has been allowed, or worse encouraged, to develop in the UK is a disaster for civilized humanity.

Just think of it: only 67 years from "their finest hour" to "Londonistan." Winston Churchill must be spinning in his grave like a Spitfire's propeller.

Winston Churchhill was, in all fairness, an asshole, who approved radioactive experiments on unwitting soldiers and natives, not to mention is partially responsible for the Iraq situation, due to the fact that he was involved in creating Iraq in the first place.

As far as I know the muslims in Iran burn effigies of US leaders every week. So I wouldn't be so quick to condemn a dozen or so being burned in Europe. Besides, Islam is a fallen civilization. They had their peak, what, 1000 years ago, and have stayed where they were ever since. Look at where the leading technologies come from today, Europe, US, and Japan.

So what you're saying is, that by burning effigies in return, you're enjoying Europe regressing culturally back 1000 years to stoop to their level. Good to know. I'm sure you've already booked your one-way to Saudi Arabia.

Winston Churchhill was, in all fairness, an asshole, who approved radioactive experiments on unwitting soldiers and natives, not to mention is partially responsible for the Iraq situation, due to the fact that he was involved in creating Iraq in the first place.

He also supported the use of poison gas on "uncivilised peoples" (i.e. Arabs) to instill a "lively terror" in those who failed to pay their taxes to the British Empire. He was an arsehole in many respects, but if I said that in public then hordes of OAPs would burn me in effigy. :p.

Yes, because burning effigies is really going to make Muslims go "Oh my god! Those guys could kick my ass!" Instead of "Man, what a bunch of morons. No wonder they had to learn about the number 0 from our ancestors."

If I recall correctly the concept of zero originated in India....???

One more comment before I go ....
For ever burning in hell to you danish kafirin
Right there. That's the difference between Muslims and everyone else. Christians will pray for your soul, not damn it. Westerners will feel bad for you, and ask that you consider "peace". Muslims are in a rush to take everyone to hell with them, as violently as possible.

Thanks Kane66, for proving to everyone what a fucked up culture you have. Maybe you should read and educate yourself.

Why is everyone on YouTube a fucking retard?

If I recall correctly the concept of zero originated in India....???

Babylonians, IIRC

Why is everyone on YouTube a fucking retard?

All the smart people are here and on other forums. Think about that for a second. NSG is an example of the best the internet has to offer.

If I recall correctly the concept of zero originated in India....???

Yes, I'm aware of that (being Indian). However, the Middle East learned of it considerably before Europe did, and it of course took the Crusades before they found out about it.

Babylonians, IIRC

yeah...

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Zero.html

All the smart people are here and on other forums. Think about that for a second. NSG is an example of the best the internet has to offer.

*Disconnects modem*

Winston Churchhill was, in all fairness, an asshole, who approved radioactive experiments on unwitting soldiers and natives, not to mention is partially responsible for the Iraq situation, due to the fact that he was involved in creating Iraq in the first place.

Churchill's hiccup? :p

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ivqcOUWjsWw

Well, it can be said that burning people in effigy is pretty popular around the world, regardless of your religion.

I suppose this will ignite just as much controversy as the Danish cartoons, except that in this case, you can't tell the newspapers and magazines to stop publishing this - it's on the Internet now.

I dont know why anyone thinks antagonizing or deliberately offending the many peacefully,anti-violent muslims is a good idea?

Its a stupid stunt that causes more hard feelings and resentment where there wasnt and shoves people that may have been on the fence off.

I dont agree with riots and violence over a cartoon being published, and I certainly dont agree with deliberate attempts to cause hatred and stupidity.


burning people in effigy is stupid in my opinion.

I dont know why anyone thinks antagonizing or deliberately offending the many peacefully,anti-violent muslims is a good idea?

Its a stupid stunt that causes more hard feelings and resentment where there wasnt and shoves people that may have been on the fence off.

I dont agree with riots and violence over a cartoon being published, and I certainly dont agree with deliberate attempts to cause hatred and stupidity.


burning people in effigy is stupid in my opinion.

I agree

I dont know why anyone thinks antagonizing or deliberately offending the many peacefully,anti-violent muslims is a good idea?

Its a stupid stunt that causes more hard feelings and resentment where there wasnt and shoves people that may have been on the fence off.

I dont agree with riots and violence over a cartoon being published, and I certainly dont agree with deliberate attempts to cause hatred and stupidity.


burning people in effigy is stupid in my opinion.

Muslim Baiting.

The people who go out of their way to make sacrilegeous and provocative demonstrations do it knowing full well that the extremists will take offense and react in an uncivilized and even violent manners.

Then they can take those extremist reactions and say "See? We told you all the Muslims are backwards and barbaric. They can't even respect freedom of speech and they'll cut your heads off when you try to exercise it."

It's all about getting the propaganda spin they want so they can get everyone to agree Muslims Are Evil.

Who's doing the burning? Is it an organized group of Danes, that have a real voice outside the Internet? Or is it just the sparkling of jerks that every nation has to keep people from getting complacent? If it's the latter, I don't think it is really fair to blame the Danes.
When I visited Denmark, I was amazed at how much alcohol every drank, not in quantity so much, but certainly in frequency. I wonder...

Muslim Baiting.

The people who go out of their way to make sacrilegeous and provocative demonstrations do it knowing full well that the extremists will take offense and react in an uncivilized and even violent manners.

Then they can take those extremist reactions and say "See? We told you all the Muslims are backwards and barbaric. They can't even respect freedom of speech and they'll cut your heads off when you try to exercise it."

It's all about getting the propaganda spin they want so they can get everyone to agree Muslims Are Evil.

Didn't the Nazis do much the same in the early years of the Holocaust (pre-Wannsee Conference)?

Who's doing the burning? Is it an organized group of Danes, that have a real voice outside the Internet? Or is it just the sparkling of jerks that every nation has to keep people from getting complacent? If it's the latter, I don't think it is really fair to blame the Danes.
When I visited Denmark, I was amazed at how much alcohol every drank, not in quantity so much, but certainly in frequency. I wonder...

There's a lot of videos around the internet about marches and other protests the Danes have done in large numbers.

Good for Denmark.

There's a lot of videos around the internet about marches and other protests the Danes have done in large numbers.

Funny, i never seen those.. Maybe i should pay more attention to my country

just mohamed? ha!

at last class war bonfire i went to, we burned; the prophet mohamed, george bush, the pope and nick griffin

it's really not unusual to burn things like that, have a browse on youtube and you'll find quite a few.

... and what about those sensible and peace loving muslims that's not trying to kill you?

... are you going to rally them to back up those organizations you fear/hate?

... stupidity knows no bounds.

I think I'll burn effigies of idiots like those who participate in this kind of nonsense.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ivqcOUWjsWw

Well, it can be said that burning people in effigy is pretty popular around the world, regardless of your religion.

Burning an effigy of a public figure is one thing. Burning an effigy of a dead prophet is quite another. I can't imagine anything good coming of it.

I suppose this will ignite just as much controversy as the Danish cartoons, except that in this case, you can't tell the newspapers and magazines to stop publishing this - it's on the Internet now.

And you're linking right to it.

*preens ferret*

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ivqcOUWjsWw

Well, it can be said that burning people in effigy is pretty popular around the world, regardless of your religion.

I suppose this will ignite just as much controversy as the Danish cartoons, except that in this case, you can't tell the newspapers and magazines to stop publishing this - it's on the Internet now.

and...I dont think Jim Morrison is happy either

I dont know why anyone thinks antagonizing or deliberately offending the many peacefully,anti-violent muslims is a good idea?

Its a stupid stunt that causes more hard feelings and resentment where there wasnt and shoves people that may have been on the fence off.

I dont agree with riots and violence over a cartoon being published, and I certainly dont agree with deliberate attempts to cause hatred and stupidity.


burning people in effigy is stupid in my opinion.

Thank you. Someone with some sense.

Thank you. Someone with some sense.

lets not go crazy now.

but-you're welcome.

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more prudent for them to have burned and effigy of what would look like a muslim extreemist dressed in a bomb belt.

Singling out all of Islam for the transgressions of a violent minority is going to cause pain where none is deserved. And lets not pretend that this action was done with pure intentions and they had no idea this would inflame tensions between them and all of Islam.

I am not saying they don't have a right to free speech. People have every right to display their extreeme lack of good judgment. Nobody has a right not to be offended obviously. Yes, everyone needs to grow a thicker skin.

Who will this hurt end the end? I believe that this will likely not bode well for Danish exports to Islamic countries. I think I read that they account for a good chunk of their exports.

nd lets not pretend that this action was done with pure intentions and they had no idea this would inflame tensions between them and all of Islam.

You are certainly right about that; Denmark has had a very obvious problem with racism for quite some time now.

That said, how do you expect the Muslim world to become thicker skinned and reasonable if their beliefs are never questioned?

More importantly though, the Muslim world seems to believe that they have a right to control what we can and cannot say. They do not. If they get violent or wish to censor us when we don't obey them, there is only one party that is in the wrong, and that's the Muslim world. We might be stupid for doing it, in the same way a small kid would be stupid for standing up to a big and strong bully, but we would be right. Always. And they would be wrong. Always.

You are certainly right about that; Denmark has had a very obvious problem with racism for quite some time now.

That said, how do you expect the Muslim world to become thicker skinned and reasonable if their beliefs are never questioned?

More importantly though, the Muslim world seems to believe that they have a right to control what we can and cannot say. They do not. If they get violent or wish to censor us when we don't obey them, there is only one party that is in the wrong, and that's the Muslim world. We might be stupid for doing it, in the same way a small kid would be stupid for standing up to a big and strong bully, but we would be right. Always. And they would be wrong. Always.
This is not standing up to a bully this is posting nude pictures of the bully's mom around school

Sure the bully is in the wrong if he kicks your ass or threatens to but you are a stupid jackass who is also in the wrong.

In the real world both parties can be in the wrong

This can't end well...

You are certainly right about that; Denmark has had a very obvious problem with racism for quite some time now.

That said, how do you expect the Muslim world to become thicker skinned and reasonable if their beliefs are never questioned?

More importantly though, the Muslim world seems to believe that they have a right to control what we can and cannot say. They do not. If they get violent or wish to censor us when we don't obey them, there is only one party that is in the wrong, and that's the Muslim world. We might be stupid for doing it, in the same way a small kid would be stupid for standing up to a big and strong bully, but we would be right. Always. And they would be wrong. Always.


Is it helpful to generalize groups if people into hive minds?

Sure the bully is in the wrong if he kicks your ass or threatens to but you are a stupid jackass who is also in the wrong.

The problem with saying that they're both wrong is that you lump violations of rights together with things you find distasteful, but are, and must, be allowed, things that violate no rights at all.

In any case, though, a cartoon is a fart in space compared to death threats and burning of embassies. There is a very one-sided blaming of the Danish going on from some people here, and I can only hope that the same people are a billion times more angry with Muslims in other threads, because that's the scales we're talking here.

Is it helpful to generalize groups if people into hive minds?
Please note that I mentioned their disregard for freedom of speech as well as violence. Polls have been made that show a large majority wanting to limit freedom of speech when it "insults Islam".

Ugh. I can't help but feel that burning 'Mohammed' was needlessly inflammatory, but I'm all for the right to do it. Can't be helpful, though. :( A peaceful demonstration would've been enough, it seems.

*chortles*

The problem with saying that they're both wrong is that you lump violations of rights together with things you find distasteful, but are, and must, be allowed, things that violate no rights at all.

In any case, though, a cartoon is a fart in space compared to death threats and burning of embassies. There is a very one-sided blaming of the Danish going on from some people here, and I can only hope that the same people are a billion times more angry with Muslims in other threads, because that's the scales we're talking here.


Please note that I mentioned their disregard for freedom of speech as well as violence. Polls have been made that show a large majority wanting to limit freedom of speech when it "insults Islam".


Because someone mentions that targetting an entire religion for the violent acts of a few idiots is unnecessary, does not make it clear that anyone is letting the violent idiots off the hook. In fact, most have made it clear they they support neither side when they point out that they think the burning of the Mohammed effigy was unnecessarily inflammatory.

Also polls show the opposite of what you are claiming.

Just when things seemed like they had the chance of quieting down...

Damn mutant penninsula son of Germany.

The problem with saying that they're both wrong is that you lump violations of rights together with things you find distasteful, but are, and must, be allowed, things that violate no rights at all.
snip

Now I do NOT think these are equal by any means but how are death threats any less of a free speech item then lets say the cartoons are

And if so must they be allowed too even though they are distastefull?

This can't end well...

No good will come of it certainly. But it could end by being ignored without too much harm done.

No good will come of it certainly. But it could end by being ignored without too much harm done.

Except this was aimed specifically at a target audience claiming to be part of a mainstream religion that is well known for a lack of thin skin and a penchant for uncivilized behavior on the slightest pretense.

When the fruitcakes go nuts, everyone wins except the mainstream Muslims.

Also polls show the opposite of what you are claiming.
It was all over Swedish television the time after the Danish cartoons how Muslims wanted to limit freedom of speech. "We love freedom of speech, but it must have its limits and this is over the line" was about what most of the interviewed Muslims had to say. A quick google found this about a UK poll:
Asked about attitudes towards free speech, there was little support for freedom of speech if it would offend religious sensibilities. 78% of Muslims thought that the publishers of the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed should be prosecuted, 68% thought those who insulted Islam should be prosecuted and 62% of people disagree that freedom of speech should be allowed even if it insults and offends religious groups.
Link: http://www.ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/291
And that's in the UK, not Saudi Arabia!
Now I do NOT think these are equal by any means but how are death threats any less of a free speech item then lets say the cartoons are

And if so must they be allowed too even though they are distastefull?

I admit this is a gray area, but in no way are they comparable. One is merely offensive, the other means you have a very real risk of being the target of violence, even killed, which obviously has a very real impact on how you live your life from that point on.

All the smart people are here and on other forums. Think about that for a second. NSG is an example of the best the internet has to offer.


*realizes that Ifreann is correct. Begins to weep bitterly at the state of the human species.*

snip

I admit this is a gray area, but in no way are they comparable. One is merely offensive, the other means you have a very real risk of being the target of violence, even killed, which obviously has a very real impact on how you live your life from that point on.

I dont know I have had threats on my life before but the only times I been in the hospital have come after slurs against my sexuality rather then the threats of violence ...

The problem with saying that they're both wrong is that you lump violations of rights together with things you find distasteful, but are, and must, be allowed, things that violate no rights at all.

Whether something violates rights is not the end all measure for whether something is wrong. For example, I could say that your mother has a penis. Covered under free speech? Sure. Is it a good thing for me to do? No. It isn't right.

In any case, though, a cartoon is a fart in space compared to death threats and burning of embassies. There is a very one-sided blaming of the Danish going on from some people here, and I can only hope that the same people are a billion times more angry with Muslims in other threads, because that's the scales we're talking here.

We aren't even talking about a cartoon, and the thing in the news being discussed is the CURRENT Danish action. Nothing we have been presented is a Muslim reaction. If you want to dredge up the past, I'll dig up a nice crime against humanity committed by Christians against Muslims in the Crusades.

Please note that I mentioned their disregard for freedom of speech as well as violence. Polls have been made that show a large majority wanting to limit freedom of speech when it "insults Islam".

Show me this poll that accurately measures the opinions of 1 billion people from countries all over the world.

All the smart people are here and on other forums. Think about that for a second. NSG is an example of the best the internet has to offer.

Since this keeps attracting attention, I'll have at it too!

NSG, nor any other forum, does not represent the best the internet has to offer. It represents a decent cross-section of people who use forums.

You want to publish a novel but the publishers won't bite? Internet.
You want to buy something without a shop assistant fawning over you? Internet.
You want to collaborate with other serious thinkers around the world? Internet.
You want to see beyond the oppressed press of your country? Internet.
You want to meet underage girls for sex? Internet. (Heh, getting a job in a school would work better, but who cares?)

I actually see most of the trouble with NSG (one of only 3 forums I've ever visited) as being the process -- the culture -- not the actual people.

There are people on here who talk more sense than ANYONE I know in real life. Don't shit on that.

*stares aghast at elitist post above*

Freedom of speech! I'll go nail up an effigy of Jesus. That should get me trouble!

weak if they really think muslim terrorists are evil why not dress one up as mohammed and burn them in effigy....is it really effigy if you burn a real person...but in the place of someone else....hmmm

Clearly Poland and Denmark have some sort of secret wager about who can be most arseholish.

weak if they really think muslim terrorists are evil why not dress one up as mohammed and burn them in effigy....is it really effigy if you burn a real person...but in the place of someone else....hmmm

Would be funny though, someone dressing up as a big black censor bar or opaque panels to blur their images like they do on COPS, then burning jihadis in effigy.

"Excuse me Sir, who are you supposed to be?"
"I'm dressed up as the prophet Muhammed."
"But you're just a (big black censor bar/opaque panel)."
"Exactly. According to Islam you're not supposed to iconically depict the Prophet Muhammed so I'm dressed up as how he'd be seen on television."

This is not standing up to a bully this is posting nude pictures of the bully's mom around school

I wish I'd been your friend when I had bullies. And knew their addresses. And had a camera. Well, you get the picture.

More importantly though, the Muslim world seems to believe that they have a right to control what we can and cannot say. They do not. If they get violent or wish to censor us when we don't obey them, there is only one party that is in the wrong, and that's the Muslim world. We might be stupid for doing it, in the same way a small kid would be stupid for standing up to a big and strong bully, but we would be right. Always. And they would be wrong. Always.

The recent granting of a Knighthood to Salman Rushdie is a case in point. Here is someone who was in hiding and under protection for 10 years for excercising his right of free speech (Satanic Verses). He is now honoured for services to literature. and we've got rentamobs demonstrating all over the Islamic world. (And in London, too). How many of those demonstrating have actually read any of his work? They are just doing what they are told. There is a right to freedom of speech. There is no right not to be offended.

There is a right to freedom of speech. There is no right not to be offended.

So you support their right to protest. I mean, you, of course, get offended by them, but support their right to protest as well, right? After all, you surely are a coherent person.

The recent granting of a Knighthood to Salman Rushdie is a case in point. Here is someone who was in hiding and under protection for 10 years for excercising his right of free speech (Satanic Verses). He is now honoured for services to literature. and we've got rentamobs demonstrating all over the Islamic world. (And in London, too). How many of those demonstrating have actually read any of his work? They are just doing what they are told. There is a right to freedom of speech. There is no right not to be offended.

Surly there right to freedom of speech covers their right to protest and speak out about something they don't like.

The Danish doing this is no better than when the Muslims do the same. If my neighbor murders someone, that doesn't make it right for me to murder someone.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Denmark needs to grow up.

On the other hand, if your neighbor insults your religion, you can insult his religion right back. It's not the high road, and it doesn't make you look sophisticated, but it sure isn't equatable to murder.

What the hell is wrong with this world where people kill over a drawing or a burned flag? The only part I agree with is "grow up" - for everyone involved.

What the hell is wrong with this world where people kill over a drawing or a burned flag? The only part I agree with is "grow up" - for everyone involved.

Those people are dreadfully insecure. They tie their beliefs to a concrete symbol, and when that symbol is burned they see it as their beliefs being burned and cannot tell the difference because they've been so deeply brain-washed. They don't understand that their beliefs cannot be extinguished until no one believes in any of it. As long as people believe, the beliefs cannot be destroyed simply because of a flag burning or the representation of a religious figure through an effigy.

Would be funny though, someone dressing up as a big black censor bar or opaque panels to blur their images like they do on COPS, then burning jihadis in effigy.

"Excuse me Sir, who are you supposed to be?"
"I'm dressed up as the prophet Muhammed."
"But you're just a (big black censor bar/opaque panel)."
"Exactly. According to Islam you're not supposed to iconically depict the Prophet Muhammed so I'm dressed up as how he'd be seen on television."

:)
Fair joke, but serious point.
I'd visualized this effigy-burning thing.
I DID NOT WATCH THE VID.
(Yeah, that's right. I didn't follow the link in the OP. I didn't want to see it.)

The only jihadists I've seen on TV are Moktadh Al-Sadr and Osama Bin Laden. For some reason I'd never imagined Mohammed as being chubby, so when I think "effigy of Muhammed" I think of Osama. The calm eyes, the prissy lips. Skinny, graceful, effete.

He would burn well. Gracefully, with heroic calm. Just like our bogus images of Christ on the cross. Tragic puppy-dog eyes upturned, in agony yet not angry.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

And just one more time, vainly hoping that my pretty words might make this point which plainer speakers have repeated like a drumbeat throughout this thread:

This is a statement by some guys on YouTube, it is not the official policy of the Kingdom of Denmark!

Fuck!

This thread just had to have some feedback from a dane, so I guess I'll join the active users now with my very first post :eek:

Is anyone else here disturbed not by the fact that these morons would burn an effigy of Muhammad, but by the fact that they burned an effigy of a WITCH every year prior and never, ever made the news due to this kind of behavior? It's just a tradition, a bit like taking putting a tree in the living room and decorating it. I can see your point though, but I'm guessing you're not that familiar with regular danes, atleast I doubt you would've written this post then. Most danes pretty much don't care about anything religious, as long as it doesn't interfere with their lives. The burning of a witch might seem rather primitive (and it is), but most people don't think more of it than a reason to make a really big fire without getting arrested. Most of the time, people don't even bother with the witch and just make a huge fire and drink some beers. Like most of our traditions, it has just ended up as another excuse to drink larger quantaties of beer than usual.

I almost kind of hope the danes get what they deserve for doing this. And where might you be from? I'm sure someone from your country have done something equally provocative, but you don't see me hoping you get what you deserve. Well, actually I do, but that's because I'm so nice. Everyone should get what they deserve :D

Yeah, well that's America, the Great Satan, and Britian. Continental Europe has not flexed its muscles in a long time. They need to remind the muslims that they do. (I realize there are NATO troops in Afghanistan, but its the US and Britain taking the heaviest burden.)
We did support the war in Iraq though, the only country that has more active troops now than they had during the initial invasion :p. Apart from that we haven't really flexed our muscles for a long time, stupid king supporting Napoleon = not alot of muscle to flex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

Clearly Poland and Denmark have some sort of secret wager about who can be most arseholish. Well, apart from the fact that both countries have arseholes, there's a slight difference here. In Poland, the arseholes are the government, in Denmark it's a tiny group of people (4 as far as I can tell) that felt like stirring up some trouble. If you're talking about the Mohammed cartoons, the whole thing was about to blow over before the embassy burnings, but then a group of imams from Denmark travelled to the Middle East. With them they had all the original drawings, and some supplementary pictures to illustrate the atmosphere of hate in western Europe. Guess which set of pictures got the muslims pissed?:rolleyes: Most of the hate towards Denmark is the result of the underhanded tactics used by these muslim leaders, though, when the muslims get wind of this that might not be the case any more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_cartoons

Who's doing the burning? Is it an organized group of Danes, that have a real voice outside the Internet? Or is it just the sparkling of jerks that every nation has to keep people from getting complacent? If it's the latter, I don't think it is really fair to blame the Danes.
When I visited Denmark, I was amazed at how much alcohol every drank, not in quantity so much, but certainly in frequency. I wonder... Thank you, atleast not everyone is so quick to jump to conclusions. As a dane, I haven't even heard anything about this before I saw this post. And yes, we do drink alot.

I'll admit that we have our fair share of racists and bigots in Denmark, but our political system is also kind of different to the political system in the US. Here, small parties actually get a say, which means that the most extreme people can join together and actually have a chance of getting a position in the parliament.(This goes for both ends of the spectrum, there are people in Denmark that seem to want to bend over and let the muslims have their way with them, and then there are the people that would really like it if they all went home)

The real problem in Denmark is that with all of our peace-loving, hippie mentality and tolerance of pretty much anything as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, we don't have that many people hating on homosexuals and other "deviant" people, as you might see somewhere like perhaps the US. The only people left to do any real hating are the racist on both sides of the fence, and the muslim racists isn't gonna cause that much fuss in the muslim countries.


In case everyone just skipped what I wrote, I just want you to remember this: If the group you use as representative of a country weighs less than a male polar bear, then it probably isn't. :p

Since I was so slow to make a reply Nobel Hobos has seized the opportunity to defend Denmark before I had the chance.
And just one more time, vainly hoping that my pretty words might make this point which plainer speakers have repeated like a drumbeat throughout this thread:

This is a statement by some guys on YouTube, it is not the official policy of the Kingdom of Denmark!

Fuck!That's another way to put it, direct and to the point, I like it ;)

And just one more time, vainly hoping that my pretty words might make this point which plainer speakers have repeated like a drumbeat throughout this thread:

This is a statement by some guys on YouTube, it is not the official policy of the Kingdom of Denmark!

Fuck!

Denmark is a kingdom? o_O

I'm well aware that the government of the Kingdom of Denmark isn't to blame, but...

I don't know... I mean... I just feel like something is rotten in there.

Read your Shakespeare before flaming me for badmouthing the Lovely Land (as per the very poetic anthem) of Denmark.

The recent granting of a Knighthood to Salman Rushdie is a case in point. Here is someone who was in hiding and under protection for 10 years for excercising his right of free speech (Satanic Verses). He is now honoured for services to literature. and we've got rentamobs demonstrating all over the Islamic world. (And in London, too). How many of those demonstrating have actually read any of his work? They are just doing what they are told. There is a right to freedom of speech. There is no right not to be offended.

In fact, there is a right to be offended, that is covered under freedom of speech. Just as you or someone else can brattle on with bigoted statements, I have the right to tell the world you or someone else is a bigot, and have a right to be offended by what you are saying.

In addition, the right to freedom of speech does not mean that you should be awarded for using that freedom to spread false hatred. All it means is that you should not be jailed for it.

On the other hand, if your neighbor insults your religion, you can insult his religion right back. It's not the high road, and it doesn't make you look sophisticated, but it sure isn't equatable to murder.

It isn't the RIGHT thing to do. I have not said that the Danes should be arrested for this, I'm saying what they have chosen to do was the wrong decision. It isn't going to help anything, it only makes things worse, and it insults and attacks the majority of Muslims who aren't the problem. It is idiotic and only required the intelligence of a three year old to come up with.

Denmark is a kingdom? o_O

I'm well aware that the government of the Kingdom of Denmark isn't to blame, but...

I don't know... I mean... I just feel like something is rotten in there.

Read your Shakespeare before flaming me for badmouthing the Lovely Land (as per the very poetic anthem) of Denmark.


LOLOL!!!!!

It isn't going to help anything, it only makes things worse, and it insults and attacks the majority of Muslims who aren't the problem.

If the majority of Muslims would like to see these Danes punished for insulting Islam, which they are, the majority of Muslims ARE the problem.

Surly there right to freedom of speech covers their right to protest and speak out about something they don't like.

Naturally, they're free to criticise Rushdie and his work to their hearts' content. What they aren't free to do is to encourage murder and put a bounty on his head.

This thread just had to have some feedback from a dane, so I guess I'll join the active users now with my very first post :eek:

It's just a tradition, a bit like taking putting a tree in the living room and decorating it. I can see your point though, but I'm guessing you're not that familiar with regular danes, atleast I doubt you would've written this post then. Most danes pretty much don't care about anything religious, as long as it doesn't interfere with their lives. The burning of a witch might seem rather primitive (and it is), but most people don't think more of it than a reason to make a really big fire without getting arrested. Most of the time, people don't even bother with the witch and just make a huge fire and drink some beers. Like most of our traditions, it has just ended up as another excuse to drink larger quantaties of beer than usual.

Oh, the "morons" I referred to were these "Muhammad Effigy" ones only. I know the vast majority of Danes are pretty normal people - and your anthem is one of the most stylish and Romantic (in the sense of glorifying nature and past) in the world, with the reference to Freya and all. I like it. :)

The "lighting a fire and drinking some beers" is cool, but the "burning the witch" part is still a bit unsavory for me. Reminds me too much of Shirley Jackson's The Lottery. I do believe you that there isn't burning of effigies in most cases. I thought this tradition was only in the countryside places there, though?

Naturally, they're free to criticize Rushdie and his work to their hearts' content. What they aren't free to do is to encourage murder and put a bounty on his head.

If a billion people had put (or followed) a bounty on Rushdie's head, he'd be ground meat by now. Guess why Rushdie is still breathing? That's right, because the only ones that followed that "fatwa" were the radicals. By the way, in Islam, any moron can declare a fatwa. Which is why many fatwas blatantly contradict each other.

If the majority of Muslims would like to see these Danes punished for insulting Islam, which they are, the majority of Muslims ARE the problem.

I've seen statistics saying they would and statistics saying they wouldn't. So... Should we play Schrödinger's Cat on this?

LOLOL!!!!!

Come on, now, that joke was dirt easy! :p

Denmark is a kingdom? o_O

I'm well aware that the government of the Kingdom of Denmark isn't to blame, but...

I don't know... I mean... I just feel like something is rotten in there.

Yes, Denmark is a kingdom, though the only thing the queen and the others get out of it is alot of publicity, a bunch of castles and a hefty amount of cash from the coffers. Not bad, but they're more like your usual american celebrity, they just do whatever they feel like (within the limits of the law) and then the rest of us gets to see pictures of them all the time in magazines :) Sometimes you feel sorry for them, they don't really get a choice if they want to get in the newspapers or not, and even if they get a divorce and get demoted to countess, they still end up in the newspapers and magazines. In the US the celebrities just have to stop working and acting like idiots, then the media will leave them alive. (I thought this typo was rather funny, so I figured I would leave it in :p, was meant to be alone of course) We even got a 9 hour live satiric royal wedding comedy show mostly making fun of the royal family and insinuating that the Prince Consort has had sexual relations with a dog and some of his male staff. All in good fun of course :D

In conlusion, if you're part of the royal family atleast:

In Saudi Arabia you own the commoners, in Denmark the commoners own you!

As for there being something rotten in Denmark, this is no time to make references to Shakespeare, I'm so tired I nearly missed it!

Oh, the "morons" I referred to were these "Muhammad Effigy" ones only. I know the vast majority of Danes are pretty normal people - and your anthem is one of the most stylish and Romantic (in the sense of glorifying nature and past) in the world, with the reference to Freya and all. I like it. :)

The "lighting a fire and drinking some beers" is cool, but the "burning the witch" part is still a bit unsavory for me. Reminds me too much of Shirley Jackson's The Lottery. I do believe you that there isn't burning of effigies in most cases. I thought this tradition was only in the countryside places there, though? Might be someone that are serious about this burning the witch tradition in the countryside, but I think the biggest reason that it might be celebrated more in the countryside is that you're not allowed to make a big bonfire in your yard, gotta keep the fire away from any innocent buildings :p
Most danes just don't care that much about the fact that something like this might be offensive, and the idea that it might be offensive to some hadn't even occured to me before I saw your post. Since we're generally rather thick-skinned and don't care that much about people calling us names and making fun of us, we kind of expect the rest of the world to feel the same way when we make fun of them. I think most danes have realised that not everyone will let an insult go unanswered now, the muslim reaction after the whole muhammed cartoon incident was pretty clear to most danes. You draw our prophet, we will burn your embassy. Most danes would probably be happy to leave the Middle East to themselves now and just try to get the immigrants integrated. Most of the muslim girls are doing great in Denmark (except for when they get killed for going out with a dane), but unfortunatly alot of second generation males are becoming more radicalised, which is a real pity since we could certainly use a few good hands to help pay for all the elderly.


Hmm, apparently the witch burning tradition started in the 1920's, before it was just a good old viking tradition. Really puts a whole new spin on it when you consider good old Heinrich Himmlers obsession with witches. Apparently he saw the witches as the true germanic mother that was persecuted but the church (and the jews of course :rolleyes:), probably not related, but got me thinking. On the other hand, the last unofficial lynching of a witch was in 1897 in Denmark, so it might just have been someone that missed the god old witch burning days and thought it would be a great idea to relive them.

Atleast we didn't have a witch trial in 1944, I'm looking at you Britain.:p

seems like I always end up ranting:rolleyes:
/end rant

Snip.

Oh, it's less about the "offense" than the matter of watching out for oneself. Occultists aren't the majority in any community, and we developed a healthy dose of caution over that, as well as a wish to make people see "attacking witches" - be them paper or flesh and blood - unacceptable due to a (healthy) fear of prosecution. Britain had its last witch trial in 1944, the US Baptist schools have a thing for preventing Wiccans and other occultists from expressing themselves, LOTS of evangelicals here in Brazil claim we (and others) are servants of the Devil and so on. Of course, I don't think that they'll start burning people after burning the effigy, but I do think they might see certain other discriminations as acceptable. It's not about the offense or the "thick skin", it's about pattern recognition... ;)

Cruise missiles can make a bigger dent. Heh, this one time someone cut me off on the highway, so I called up the National Defense… but that's a story for another day.
Do you have the number, I lost it.

If the majority of Muslims would like to see these Danes punished for insulting Islam, which they are, the majority of Muslims ARE the problem.

They don't, and you have yet to show a poll that says that.

At least those danes have balls, political correctness will be the downfall of our society

At least those danes have balls, political correctness will be the downfall of our society

There is a difference between balls and juvenile idiocy.

While I personally disagree with the cartoons, I can see the point and "satire" they try to raise.

Burning these effigies doesn't do that. All it does is say "I can be just as stupid and idiotic as you, right after going on and on saying what you did was evil and wrong, see? SEE?!?!"

(I am a dane)

... about the Mohammed cartoons, the whole thing was about to blow over before the embassy burnings, but then a group of imams from Denmark travelled to the Middle East. With them they had all the original drawings, and some supplementary pictures to illustrate the atmosphere of hate in western Europe. Guess which set of pictures got the muslims pissed?:rolleyes: Most of the hate towards Denmark is the result of the underhanded tactics used by these muslim leaders...Wait..

So you are saying the ugly publicity Denmark now has.. is somehow the fault of the people denouncing the Drawings.. and not of the people drawing them ???

:confused:

I'll just like to say that I feel bad about calling myself a Dane, when these idiot racists are our image to the outside world.

Just ignore the bastiches please, otherwise they get exactly what they want: angry muslims and an excuse to treat them badly (as they already do with the immigrants).

We're not all like the prophet-burners or the cartoonists, but Denmark have stupid people like every other country. Ours are merely better at lashing out at foreign people. Dumb-feth nazis...

Atleast we didn't have a witch trial in 1944, I'm looking at you Britain.:p

it was not a witch trial. The women was jailed under the witchcraft act.
The act itself boils down to make it illegal for someone to pretend to be able to summon spirits and so on. unless they could prove it, they were tried as con-artists.

Wait..

So you are saying the ugly publicity Denmark now has.. is somehow the fault of the people denouncing the Drawings.. and not of the people drawing them ???

:confused: Not all of it of course, but the whole Muhammed cartoon crisis was about to blow over when 3 imams from Denmark went to the Middle East and presented:

A picture of a frenchmen dressed as a pig with the caption: Here is the real image of Muhammed

A drawing of a muslim being mounted by a dog while praying

A cartoon portraying Muhammed as a demonic pedeophile.

The group of imams said that the three additional images were sent anonymously by mail to Muslims who were participating in an online debate on, however they were made to admit later that they made these up only to invoke anti-West furor among the muslim communities,and were circulated to illustrate the atmosphere of Islamophobia in which they lived, and to trigger anti Western hatred.

And it certainly worked, seems like most people think Denmark is the Fourth Reich, even in our neighbouring countries of Sweden and Norway. Thankfully not everyone thinks this is the case :rolleyes:
The original cartoons where a perhaps clumsy attempt at starting a debate, but the supplementary images presented by the imams where a clear attempt at forcing the islamic culture and laws upon Denmark through pressure from the Middle East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

it was not a witch trial. The women was jailed under the witchcraft act.
The act itself boils down to make it illegal for someone to pretend to be able to summon spirits and so on. unless they could prove it, they were tried as con-artists.Hehe, I know they where not really serious about the whole witchcraft thing, they just wanted to lock her up to prevent her from exposing the D-day attack. She had apparently told some military secrets to people at her seances, though I'm not clear on how she had come across those secrets. Just yanking your chain a bit :p

Just ignore the bastiches please, otherwise they get exactly what they want: angry muslims and an excuse to treat them badly (as they already do with the immigrants).Are you saying that:

A:The prophet burners treat immigrants badly
B: Racists treat immigrants badly
C: Danes treat immigrants badly

From the rest of your post you seem to me like you vote for Det Radikale Venstre/Danish Social Liberal Party, so I'm getting the feeling that you're actually talking about all the 'idiots' that vote for parties that want to restrict immigration one way or another. If I'm wrong and you're just talking about racists, then ofcourse they treat immigrants poorly, it's in the job description for being a racist ;)

We're not all like the prophet-burners or the cartoonists, but Denmark have stupid people like every other country. Ours are merely better at lashing out at foreign people. Dumb-feth nazis...Well well, seems like you're kind of doing what some of the people on this thread has already been doing, lumping everyone in the same basket. There's a clear difference between the prophet-burners and the cartoonists. The cartoons atleast had a useful purpose, to stir up debate about free speech. You might not agree with the means, but the end is atleast a noble goal. The prophet-burners on the other hand are just a bunch of idiots that are just asking for Denmark to get a taste of terrorism, unfortunatly.

To be honest, I would say the radical muslims are alot better at lashing out at foreing people than the radical danes are, we haven't burned down any embassies yet.

I'll just like to say that I feel bad about calling myself a Dane, when these idiot racists are our image to the outside world.
About feeling bad about calling yourself a dane, maybe you should talk to some of the americans that pretend to be canadian when on holiday, they might have some pointers on how you should go about pretending to be swedish :p

Wait..

So you are saying the ugly publicity Denmark now has.. is somehow the fault of the people denouncing the Drawings.. and not of the people drawing them ???

:confused:

IIRC a group of clerics toured the Muslim world to stir up anger about the Danish cartoons. When they did this, they displayed several cartoons which weren't from the Danish paper and which were seen as far more offensive.

If a billion people had put (or followed) a bounty on Rushdie's head, he'd be ground meat by now. Guess why Rushdie is still breathing? That's right, because the only ones that followed that "fatwa" were the radicals. By the way, in Islam, any moron can declare a fatwa. Which is why many fatwas blatantly contradict each other.

1. It's generally considered to be good form to address the point which the other person is making, and not the point you'd like them to be making. I explicitly defended the right of 'moderates' to protest peacefully and nowhere did I suggest that the majority of Muslims tried to kill him. Please pay attention.

2. Rushdie probably only survived because of the police protection he was given; several translators were attacked and at least one was killed. There's a reason he stayed in hiding for 10 years you know.

3. The majority of those billion people live in relatively impoverished countries and couldn't afford the air fare to the UK if they'd wanted to.

4. Many of those who didn't actually try to kill Rushdie still sympathised with the attempt and were willing to offer assistance. Even moderates like Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) said that if they knew where Rushdie was they'd pass the information on to those trying to murder him.

Atleast we didn't have a witch trial in 1944, I'm looking at you Britain.:p

She had it coming! She turned me into a newt!

This is being done in retaliation to Muslims burning effigies over the cartoons, not suicide bombings. They would not have picked "burning effigies" otherwise. The Danes doing this are just being 3 year olds screaming in a sandbox.

It seems sandboxes and three year olds are the problem! let's burn them!!

4. Many of those who didn't actually try to kill Rushdie still sympathised with the attempt and were willing to offer assistance. Even moderates like Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) said that if they knew where Rushdie was they'd pass the information on to those trying to murder him.

Proof? And since when was Yousuf Ali representative all moderate Muslims? I won't dispute that a majority of Muslims may severely dislike Salman Rushdie but none of the Muslims I know want him dead, and even back when I was a Muslim I cannot recall any time where I would be willing to offer assistance to anyone actively seeking to kill him.

1. It's generally considered to be good form to address the point which the other person is making, and not the point you'd like them to be making. I explicitly defended the right of 'moderates' to protest peacefully and nowhere did I suggest that the majority of Muslims tried to kill him. Please pay attention.

2. Rushdie probably only survived because of the police protection he was given; several translators were attacked and at least one was killed. There's a reason he stayed in hiding for 10 years you know.

3. The majority of those billion people live in relatively impoverished countries and couldn't afford the air fare to the UK if they'd wanted to.

4. Many of those who didn't actually try to kill Rushdie still sympathised with the attempt and were willing to offer assistance. Even moderates like Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) said that if they knew where Rushdie was they'd pass the information on to those trying to murder him.

"Many" aren't most Muslims. And trust me, as a translator myself, if I were attacked by someone due to my work and survived, I'd seek them out and torture them to death, as well as attempting to do the same to Khomeini, but the fatwa had many critics inside Islam itself. I've gone through bad things (not anything life-threatening, mind you) "in the name of Islam", yet I defend it here, because it's the right thing to do: Islam isn't about killing translators, Rushdie or (as was my case) forbidding love with people from other religions. So much so that I found a Muslim site about that precise thing at the time and it condemned the conservative interpretation. It isn't about religion, it's about ideology. And most Muslims don't have the ideology that attacked Rushdie and Igarashi Hitoshi. Or, for that matter in a much less serious case, the one that attacked me.