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You probably don't care much about pro wrestling. I rarely watch it, but it's good for some mindless entertainment on occasion. I used to wtch it every week with my friends and we had some great times on monday nights. My personal favorite wrestler of all time is Chris Benoit.

WAS Chris Benoit. I just read on WWE.com's website that Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. This isn't a kayfabe story.

I'm searching for more details right now. If you have some, please share. I'm actually somewhat upset by this. :(

Wow. I wonder what the hell happened? It's already up on Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit#Death), but no details yet except: PW Headlines stated that Benoit called in to WWE Sunday and said he would be unable to make it back as his family was ill and they were spitting up blood.

Environmental poisoning? Disease? Wierd.

I remember Benoit. Seems he was found dead yesterday, according to wikipedia.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html
http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20619.shtml
The second link comes with a bunch of pop-ups, be warned.

WTF?!? He was found dead WITH HIS FAMILY?!!

damn...there goes one of the best technical wrestlers in the business....:(:(

Wow. I wonder what the hell happened? It's already up on Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit#Death), but no details yet except:

Environmental poisoning? Disease? Wierd.

If they died that quickly after developing the symptoms and died at relatively close intervals (close enough that none of them called for help when one member died) i'd say its more likely to be environmental poisoning.

Then again what do I knnow

If they died that quickly after developing the symptoms and died at relatively close intervals (close enough that none of them called for help when one member died) i'd say its more likely to be environmental poisoning.

Then again what do I knnow

I'd say it's just plain freaky.

I'd say it's just plain freaky.

Ditto.

I knew a family that died the same way. I didn't know them well, mind you. But when you hear about something like this happening it's pretty fucked up. Gas leaks, I tell ya...get your furnace checked out often.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/2007/06/25/4289665.html

yep... sad, I liked watching the "Rabid Wolverine" fight...

:(

Sheriff's Lt. Tommy Pope said the three were found about 2:30 p.m., but he would release no other details about the deaths at the house near White Water Country Club.

Pope said the deaths were being investigated as homicides, but said the cause of death awaits autopsy results on Tuesday.

Link (http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-wrestlerdead-0626,0,7667779.story?coll=hc-headlines-local).

Wrestling. Lol.

Anyway, I feel sorry for them. What is this, like the 3rd death in a year?

This, unlike the chairman's recent fake death as a part of the storylines, is genuine 100% real. The ultimate submission hold we all must face someday.

http://search.msn.com/news/results.aspx?q=chris+benoit&FORM=EWRE

That provides multiple newsources all of which agree, Chris Benoit is dead.

He will be missed.

That's a damn shame. Chris Benoit had to be one of the best technical wrestlers out there. Hell, he was one of my favourites.


RIP, Mr. Benoit.

OMG I am watching this and I found out from watching the show, I can't believe he's dead. I am definitely in shock. It is so hard to see all these wrestlers crying, I should turn it off but I can't.

:( And his little 7 year old baby boy! *sob*

If the whole family was sick, you would think he would have taken them to the hospital or something, or at least been more lucid than the rest of them and not have succumbed to whatever it was as soon as the rest.

If the whole family was sick, you would think he would have taken them to the hospital or something, or at least been more lucid than the rest of them and not have succumbed to whatever it was as soon as the rest.

It's all very confusing. But that's because it was so recent. In a day or two, we'll have a clearer picture. But whatever happened was not sudden, that's for sure. :(

If the whole family was sick, you would think he would have taken them to the hospital or something, or at least been more lucid than the rest of them and not have succumbed to whatever it was as soon as the rest.

Well some reports have suggested that he called the WWE on Sunday to say he and his family were sick, so if whatever that was is what killed them then it probably became very incapacitating very quickly.

If the whole family was sick, you would think he would have taken them to the hospital or something, or at least been more lucid than the rest of them and not have succumbed to whatever it was as soon as the rest.
it could've started out with flu like symtoms and quickly ended up being deadly.

A neighbor had the flu that suddenly attacked her heart. she died overnight.

add to that the possibility that they may have had an allergic reaction to the virus. that is if it was a virus. it could've been mold or as someone pointed out, a gas leak and that their illness was just coincidental.

I would say wait for the results of the investigation.

They're investigating it as a homicide. Are you saying that somebody would introduce a deadly disease into the house to kill the family? Come on now.

They're investigating it as a homicide. Are you saying that somebody would introduce a deadly disease into the house to kill the family? Come on now.

According to my wife, it's standard procedure in multiple deaths when the cause of death is unknown. Even if they looked like they died peacefully and naturally, three in one place is an automatic homicide investigation. *nod*

From an Atlanta Television News Station.

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=99172




Yes. It is a sad day. One of the best wrestlers in the business today

I'm shocked to hear this. He was a great wrestler, and I'm sure the WWE will mourn his passing. I really hope people can find the cause. A man and his entire family dying in their own home is just so horrible...

No effing way. I have watched the WWF/WWE on and off for a long time. I've seen owen heart die, eddie guerro and now chris benoit. Just wow.

According to my wife, it's standard procedure in multiple deaths when the cause of death is unknown. Even if they looked like they died peacefully and naturally, three in one place is an automatic homicide investigation. *nod*

Oh, weird, I didn't know that.

Wait, wiki says it's being investigated as a possible murder-suicide. THAT doesn't sound like a precaution.

More details (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501&page=1).

The deaths are being investigated as a possible suicide and double homicide, authorities told ABC News.

Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department told ABC News that Benoit had missed several appointments over the weekend, leading concerned parties to ask police to do a "welfare check." When sheriffs arrived at the Benoits' home, they found the wrestler, his wife, and their son dead.Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide."

Pope said "the instruments of death were located on scene," but would not specify what those instruments are or where in the house the bodies were found. Pope added the department is "not actively searching for any suspects outside of the house."

Does it really matter how it happened? Chris Benoit was one of the best wrestlers ever. 100% intensity 100% of the time.

R.I.P
CHRIS BENOIT
1967-2007

You'll be missed by many.

If the whole family was sick, you would think he would have taken them to the hospital or something, or at least been more lucid than the rest of them and not have succumbed to whatever it was as soon as the rest.

Yeah, succumbed to murder?

They just had a 3 hour tribute to him in place of RAW. McMahon came on to explain what had happened. :(

He'll be missed.

Jeesh that's terrible. I just wish people would get help before it gets that bad.

The whole family? I'd be suspicious to the cause. Unless it was some freak gas leak or something.

The whole family? I'd be suspicious to the cause. Unless it was some freak gas leak or something.Sounds like the cops are leaning toward murder-suicide, though they're not dropping any hints as to whether the perpetrator might be Chris or his wife.

Based on information that he had become so evasive in recent days that friends alerted the police, I fear he may have snapped. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Early reports appear to confirm my suspicions: (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3594146&version=9&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1)

The station said that investigators believe the 40-year-old Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, and 7-year-old son, Daniel, over the weekend, then himself on Monday.

Early reports appear to confirm my suspicions: (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3594146&version=9&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1)

Jesus.

Shit, that's bad. RIP Chris Benoit.

Shit, that's bad. RIP Chris Benoit.

Frankly, considering the circumstances, fuck him. My sympathy is with the family.

Frankly, considering the circumstances, fuck him. My sympathy is with the family.

Sounds like he went crazy, really. Sympathy is with all of them.

RIP.

But Vince's death is fake.

You probably don't care much about pro wrestling. I rarely watch it, but it's good for some mindless entertainment on occasion. I used to wtch it every week with my friends and we had some great times on monday nights. My personal favorite wrestler of all time is Chris Benoit.

WAS Chris Benoit. I just read on WWE.com's website that Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. This isn't a kayfabe story.

I'm searching for more details right now. If you have some, please share. I'm actually somewhat upset by this. :(

The only Chris Benoit I know is a 60-ish female union rep at UCR.

Wait, wiki says it's being investigated as a possible murder-suicide. THAT doesn't sound like a precaution.

No, but I do have to commend the local police for not jumping to conclusions. They sound very thorough.

ANd I'm now more than mildly upset. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a hero, but I had an admiration for Chris Benoit. This is hard to fathom. If you'd ever met him, you'd know why. :(

The only Chris Benoit I know is a 60-ish female union rep at UCR.

She probably has more facial hair. :p

A wrestler's life is seldom sweet especially on the road. Condolences to the family as a whole, and one of the best products of The Dungeon.

Poor family, take yourself out - but take the wife and kids with you ...

No, but I do have to commend the local police for not jumping to conclusions. They sound very thorough.

ANd I'm now more than mildly upset. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a hero, but I had an admiration for Chris Benoit. This is hard to fathom. If you'd ever met him, you'd know why. :(

Exactly, he was a man of great dignity, and all about respect. This murder, suicide bit doesn't make sense to me. :(

Exactly, he was a man of great dignity, and all about respect. This murder, suicide bit doesn't make sense to me. :(

Professional Wrestling is a sordid, dirty business with the kinds of stories you'd expect from boxing and casinos at times. I'm not making any conclusions one way or another, but until the police rule otherwise there may be the possibility that Benoit could have simply pissed off the wrong people.

Professional Wrestling is a sordid, dirty business with the kinds of stories you'd expect from boxing and casinos at times. I'm not making any conclusions one way or another, but until the police rule otherwise there may be the possibility that Benoit could have simply pissed off the wrong people.


Which would be something beyond comprehension. I mean, from what I know, he was a likable guy, so its hard to think he was pissing people off to the point that they snapped on him.

My bet is that his wife went insane from him being gone so long, and she killed the son. He found out, and the called in and told the WWE that he wouldn't be able to come in, maybe he was trying to get her to calm down and figure out how to explain it to the cops or something. Then she turns on him, and in the fight, she is killed. He then kills himself, because both his son and wife are now dead.


Yes, i watch too much tv, but its possible, and i think a lot more likely than him pissing off thugs.

I haven't watched in years, but when I did Benoit was one of my favourites. I had a look around the wwe site, and from the looks of it Benoit was booked in a match for the ECW title sunday US time and pulled out for personal reasons. Interestingly the guy they quickly bought in to replace him won the match, meaning that Benoit was probably booked to win the title that night, but instead went home and.. this happened.

not a very happy month really for Pro wretling first with Senesational Sherri then Beniot anfd his Family. its going to put the kybosh on the so called Vince death storyline but knowing the WWE it probably wont

Which would be something beyond comprehension. I mean, from what I know, he was a likable guy, so its hard to think he was pissing people off to the point that they snapped on him.

My bet is that his wife went insane from him being gone so long, and she killed the son. He found out, and the called in and told the WWE that he wouldn't be able to come in, maybe he was trying to get her to calm down and figure out how to explain it to the cops or something. Then she turns on him, and in the fight, she is killed. He then kills himself, because both his son and wife are now dead.


Yes, i watch too much tv, but its possible, and i think a lot more likely than him pissing off thugs.

Unlikely considering his wife used to be a ring girl.

not a very happy month really for Pro wretling first with Senesational Sherri then Beniot anfd his Family. its going to put the kybosh on the so called Vince death storyline but knowing the WWE it probably wont

Actually, Vince McMahon announced the death of Chris Benoit at the start of Raw(which was canceled in favor of an impromptu tribute) in person last night. I don't know if they are going to pick up the story again afterward, but at least for this, Vince dropped the 'character' of Vince for this. I watched part of it before I had to tend family matters. *nod*

I'm pretty shocked, don't think it's kicked in yet, not like Eddie's death did.

Greatest moment in my WWF SmackDown! gaming career came via a 2 on 1 handicap match win (against two humans, my brother and his mate) thanks to the Crippler Crossface being applied.

RIP Chris.

Shit, that's bad. RIP Chris Benoit.

No dude. This is a case of Rest in Hell Chris Benoit*

Assuming the investigators believe what they are said to on Wikipedia, it would be pretty fucking easy to tell if that is what happened as the bodies would have different levels of degradation.

Mna this is sad. Benoit was one of the best of all time on par with Ric Flair and Hogan. A true legend of the sport.

And to think last night on Smackdown vs Raw 2007 I made him tap out to his move with Mr Kennedy. :(

It appears he strangled his wife, and smothered his son. Then hung himself.

If you ever met the man, you wouldn't think it was possible. :(

It appears he strangled his wife, and smothered his son. Then hung himself.

If you ever met the man, you wouldn't think it was possible. :(

It probably wouldn't have been possible for him in a normal state but to do something like this you would have to be suffering a mental illness of some sort

No dude. This is a case of Rest in Hell Chris Benoit*

Again, you don't do something like this if you're normal. He probably had some sort of mental illness.

Mna this is sad. Benoit was one of the best of all time on par with Ric Flair and Hogan. A true legend of the sport.


and Curt Hennig

It appears he strangled his wife, and smothered his son. Then hung himself.

If you ever met the man, you wouldn't think it was possible. :(

Steroids fuck you up...

*Waits for final results of investigation.*

*Waits for final results of investigation.*

Yeah. I am hoping I am wrong...but I suspect not.

What a tragedy.

And in further news another 30,000 children died today of starvation, disease and malnutrition.

Also tragic.

not at all having a go at you Junii...I just had a wave of cynicism wash over me....

Yeah. I am hoping I am wrong...but I suspect not.

What a tragedy.

And in further news another 30,000 children died today of starvation, disease and malnutrition.

Also tragic.

not at all having a go at you Junii...I just had a wave of cynicism wash over me....

no worries.

after all, what are the top stories? paris hilton? the life and death of Anna Nichole Smith? the interview with Prince William and Henry?

no worries.

after all, what are the top stories? paris hilton? the life and death of Anna Nichole Smith? the interview with Prince William and Henry?

Yeah.

Sometimes I fear this disconnect will have a disastrous impact on our civilisation.

Ok...Scratch the sometimes...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6242480.stm

I just read the cocksucker smothered his 7 yr old son.

He couldnt have just offed himself and left the kid alone?

It'd be nice if we could give these suicidal psychopaths a list of people that NEED to die, instead of 7 yr old boys.

no worries.

after all, what are the top stories? paris hilton? the life and death of Anna Nichole Smith? the interview with Prince William and Henry?

If you think about it- I LIKE newsdays when the major story is Paris or Anna Nicole...NOT when there are bombings,Marines killed,flooding and misery.

Its good when the top stories are trash. Slow newsdays are good.

If you think about it- I LIKE newsdays when the major story is Paris or Anna Nicole...NOT when there are bombings,Marines killed,flooding and misery.

Its good when the top stories are trash. Slow newsdays are good.

Just because the news is slow, doesn't mean that there aren't bombings, Marine deaths, flooding, and misery. It just means they're trying to smokescreen something.

Just because the news is slow, doesn't mean that there aren't bombings, Marine deaths, flooding, and misery. It just means they're trying to smokescreen something.

I dont know-when those things happen,people pay attention.

How many cretins really sit there watching more than a minute of Paris Hilton's story?

I cant even read crap about her on the one sentence ticker at the bottom of the screen.

If you think about it- I LIKE newsdays when the major story is Paris or Anna Nicole...NOT when there are bombings,Marines killed,flooding and misery.

Its good when the top stories are trash. Slow newsdays are good.

I don't mind it if it's a news flash as the news breaks, or is relatively new.

But three showings of the same interview with the two Princes?
A news cast of reporters waiting for Paris Hilton being inturrupted by an announcement about the change of the General incharge of the Iraq war?!
a weekend long expose on the life and death of Anna Nichol Smith?

there are slow news days, but common, to that degree?

I just read the cocksucker smothered his 7 yr old son.

He couldnt have just offed himself and left the kid alone?

It'd be nice if we could give these suicidal psychopaths a list of people that NEED to die, instead of 7 yr old boys.

Ok, umm, what sources do you have for this?

]not at all having a go at you Junii...I just had a wave of cynicism wash over me...
It's not hard with all this Madeline bullshit at the moment.

Ok, umm, what sources do you have for this?

http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=6712881

Also

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501

Just to satisfy my curiosity, how many of you who'd already posted sincere RIPs to Mr. Benoit are feeling enraged now?

I just read the cocksucker smothered his 7 yr old son.

He couldnt have just offed himself and left the kid alone?


I agree.

What amazes me is that even after the info came out that he killed his wife and child, people were still saying, 'aww, poor guy, he must have flipped'.

And yet, some other guy does the same thing, but doesn't happen to be a big star...how much sympathy do you thing he'd get hmm?

I have zero sympathy for a person who takes a drug known to cause violent psychosis and murders his family as a result.

His death was due to "Roid Rage"

I agree.

What amazes me is that even after the info came out that he killed his wife and child, people were still saying, 'aww, poor guy, he must have flipped'.

And yet, some other guy does the same thing, but doesn't happen to be a big star...how much sympathy do you thing he'd get hmm?

In what way was Chris Benoit a "big star"?

You probably don't care much about pro wrestling. I rarely watch it, but it's good for some mindless entertainment on occasion. I used to wtch it every week with my friends and we had some great times on monday nights. My personal favorite wrestler of all time is Chris Benoit.

WAS Chris Benoit. I just read on WWE.com's website that Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. This isn't a kayfabe story.

I'm searching for more details right now. If you have some, please share. I'm actually somewhat upset by this. :(

I too love wrestling. It's NOT mindless. Benoit was definitely in my top 5. it just shocking. I mean it just doesn't seem like him. He probably had to have been really depressed, something mental. :(

In what way was Chris Benoit a "big star"?

In the sense that he had a following of people, people who knew who he was, and were saddened by his death...some of whom seem willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I question why that is, when someone they know nothing about would hardly be given the same.

I too love wrestling. It's NOT mindless.

...it's not mindless in the sense that American Idol isn't mindless. Or in the sense that squirrels aren't mindless. :p

You probably don't care much about pro wrestling. I rarely watch it, but it's good for some mindless entertainment on occasion. I used to wtch it every week with my friends and we had some great times on monday nights. My personal favorite wrestler of all time is Chris Benoit.

WAS Chris Benoit. I just read on WWE.com's website that Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. This isn't a kayfabe story.

I'm searching for more details right now. If you have some, please share. I'm actually somewhat upset by this. :(

erm, I don't know if this has been posted already, but wikipedia states that he bound his wife and son, who then died of asphyxiation with a bible next to them, before hanging himself in the basement.

WWE states that it wasn't Roid Rage btw; if the events are as described by wikipedia (a matter of conjecture, I concede), it sure as hell doesn't seem like it either.

Benoit, whenever I watched WWF (drunk early in the morning admittedly), was never my favourite. Chris Jericho was far cooler.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, how many of you who'd already posted sincere RIPs to Mr. Benoit are feeling enraged now?No, it's still sad and tragic.

He was an awsome performer in the square circle. Some spoke highly of him both here and his fellow workers.

The only question I have is Why?

and all we will be left with is speculation.

What amazes me is that even after the info came out that he killed his wife and child, people were still saying, 'aww, poor guy, he must have flipped'.

Are people really saying that?

Good night, sweet prince.

Or not, whatever one prefers.

In the sense that he had a following of people, people who knew who he was, and were saddened by his death...some of whom seem willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I question why that is, when someone they know nothing about would hardly be given the same.can't speak for others, but I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Even that guy accused of killing his GF and her unborn baby. Would there be any reason that would excuse him or allow for him to avoid punishment? not in my eyes, but I still give him the benefit of the doubt.

and benefit of the doubt =| innocent. It only means I'll wait to hear the whole tale, and even then, rage won't be the emotion. sadness, maybe pity, but not rage.

Are people really saying that?

Yup. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12813663&postcount=37)

and benefit of the doubt =| innocent. It only means I'll wait to hear the whole tale, and even then, rage won't be the emotion. sadness, maybe pity, but not rage.

Oh don't get me wrong...that's the approach I support.

It just makes me chuckle that those who are generally so quick to judge, set aside judgment when they feel like it.

Yup. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12813663&postcount=37)

So a person said it, it's not a group consensus.

Meh'

I question why that is, when someone they know nothing about would hardly be given the same.

a) You presume to know what we think before we think it? How arrogant.

b) Have you been exposed to American society at all? We freaking idolize murderers; Jack the Ripper, the Boston Strangler, Ed Gein, John Wayne Gacy, etc. And what questions do people always ask: who are they? why did they do it? These people were not celebrities before they were murderers, and once people learn that they are, they recieve the same star treatment, and many people were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I mean, hell, Tookie Williams was definitely not crazy when he was convicted for murder, and he still gained a huge following while on death row.

a) You presume to know what we think before we think it? How arrogant. And you presume I'm talking about you? How stupid.

I agree.

What amazes me is that even after the info came out that he killed his wife and child, people were still saying, 'aww, poor guy, he must have flipped'.

And yet, some other guy does the same thing, but doesn't happen to be a big star...how much sympathy do you thing he'd get hmm?

I suspect it's because people saw the good, or at least the not homicidal, side of Benoit. If it was some random guy, all we'd know is that he went nuts and killed his family.

People had a high opinion of Benoit. Then he went nuts.

People have no opinion of randomers until they go nuts.

I suspect it's because people saw the good, or at least the not homicidal, side of Benoit. If it was some random guy, all we'd know is that he went nuts and killed his family.

People had a high opinion of Benoit. Then he went nuts.

People have no opinion of randomers until they go nuts.
I'd assume almost everyone has a good side.

That good side gets negated when a person kills his or her family. Famous, or not.

I heard he strangled his wife Saturday... smothered his son Sunday... killed himself Monday. Hung himself from one of his workout machines. They found anabolic steroids in his house... Doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me, regardless of what the commissioner or whoever of pro wrestling says, I can't believe the majority (if not all) of those guys aren't using. Obviously I haven't kept real dedicated tabs on what new developments there have been, but I'd say it wouldn't at this point, be surprising if the roids led to some sort of mental collapse/breakdown and he just ...did what he did.

It's funny, sort of, whoever mentioned the fact that his wife was a former ring girl... report said something about how she had blood on the back of her head and it appeared she put up a pretty hard struggle.

Just damn sad, regardless of what went down. Three lives gone, that shouldn't realistically have had any real reason for ending.

And yet, some other guy does the same thing, but doesn't happen to be a big star...how much sympathy do you thing he'd get hmm?

Ironic statement.

But, I'm not really surprised at this. A pro wrestler's life is pretty long and sordid. Almost on the road for the whole year, risking severe injuries or death not knowing when your next show might be the last. You've got affairs, you've got real life violence, drug abuse, all that and more in the world of wrestling. Nobody's going to absolve Benoit of what happened, but they shouldn't be all surprised as to why it happened either.

In the end Chris Benoit proved to be a lot of things. One of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time, a champion, a hero. A flawed human being, and a casualty of the meatgrinder that is sports entertainment.

And you presume I'm talking about you? How stupid.

lol.

Let's have a look at what you said.

In the sense that he had a following of people, people who knew who he was, and were saddened by his death...some of whom seem willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I question why that is, when someone they know nothing about would hardly be given the same.

Okay, so the following applies to me:
a) I did follow Chris Benoit, on the occasions that I did watch wrestling.
b) I knew who he was, very well.
c) I was saddened by his death.
d) I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So, in what way were you not talking about me?

Almost on the road for the whole year, risking severe injuries or death not knowing when your next show might be the last.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They are fake entertainers, not chainsaw juggling gladiators.

So, in what way were you not talking about me?

In the sense that I was talking about The Potato Factory.

Though now that you've admitted you're giving him the benefit of the doubt, I guess now you can explain how you would do the same for a stranger?

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They are fake entertainers, not chainsaw juggling gladiators.

And you buy into the myth that pro wrestling is all pattycakes fakery.

The results of the matches are prescripted yes, but the actual wrestling is not fake. Kids have injured and even killed themselves imitating wrestling moves they've watched. Pro wrestlers rack up an amazing amount of injury from something that's supposed to be "fake."

Just because we know what the outcome is going to be, doesn't make it "fake." It's the same as wielding a sword. Any moron can swing full strength to cut through something, but it takes control and experience to swing it close without actually cutting.

And you buy into the myth that pro wrestling is all pattycakes fakery.

I'm not saying it's patty cakes, but it's not as if we're throwing them into a pit of lions. If it was, then people in their 40s and 50s wouldn't be able to do it would they?

They are a pretty good distance from boxing, UFC, football, rugby, and any other sport where there is actual contact.

Any injuries result from accidents, shit that happens at my job all the time. Why aren't I glorified and given endorsements?

In the sense that I was talking about The Potato Factory.
The Potato Factory is a single person. The plural grammatical number, e.g.
some of whom
does not apply to a single person.

Though now that you've admitted you're giving him the benefit of the doubt, I guess now you can explain how you would do the same for a stranger?

Much in the same way I give the benefit of the doubt to Chris Benoit: I am not omniscient, I am not in possession of all of the facts, I don't know his motives, I don't know what his mental state (e.g. whether he could be considered sane or not) was at the time of the murder. All of that still applies when I hear about a liquor store robbery that turned lethal, or whatever.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They are fake entertainers, not chainsaw juggling gladiators.

They are not fake entertainers. They are real entertainers participating in a fake sport. Although they are not real athletes in the sense that there is actual athletic competition, they are still very athletic entertainers who must train hard to learn their craft and are subjected to a high risk of injury.

On the other side of the coin, please don't anyone call him or any other pro wrestler a "champion" - because that implies winning an athletic competition - not simply being the pre-scripted winner of a choreographed exhibition.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They are fake entertainers, not chainsaw juggling gladiators.
It's soap opera, but they arn't using sugar glass. They have to know how to fall, how to drop other people, and how to hit people, otherwise people would be seriously injured.

b) Have you been exposed to American society at all? We freaking idolize murderers; Jack the Ripper, the Boston Strangler, Ed Gein, John Wayne Gacy, etc. And what questions do people always ask: who are they? why did they do it? These people were not celebrities before they were murderers, and once people learn that they are, they recieve the same star treatment, and many people were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I mean, hell, Tookie Williams was definitely not crazy when he was convicted for murder, and he still gained a huge following while on death row.I would call that Morbid Curiousity... not idolization.

I suspect it's because people saw the good, or at least the not homicidal, side of Benoit. If it was some random guy, all we'd know is that he went nuts and killed his family.

People had a high opinion of Benoit. Then he went nuts.

People have no opinion of randomers until they go nuts.that and after finding out something like this, people would be reluctant to speak of any good things of the person.

Ironic statement.

But, I'm not really surprised at this. A pro wrestler's life is pretty long and sordid. Almost on the road for the whole year, risking severe injuries or death not knowing when your next show might be the last. You've got affairs, you've got real life violence, drug abuse, all that and more in the world of wrestling. Nobody's going to absolve Benoit of what happened, but they shouldn't be all surprised as to why it happened either.

In the end Chris Benoit proved to be a lot of things. One of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time, a champion, a hero. A flawed human being, and a casualty of the meatgrinder that is sports entertainment.
it's a tough life, alot of wrestlers have been seriously injured on and off the ring.
Lita had her spine fractured during a taping of "Dark Angel"
Mick Foley had more injuries than most wreslers, including half his ear torn off, loosing teeth, fractures from falling off of the cage onto the ring or the concrete (multiple instances) being rolled around on tacks and nails and then slamed with a chair...
Eddie Guerrero, He kicked the drugs, but the damage was irriparable.... RIP.
D-Lo, paralized.
Owen Hart... turnbuckle to the chest after falling from the rafters... RIP.
and a whole lot more.

and a whole lot more.

Mick Foley had more injuries than most wreslers, including half his ear torn off, loosing teeth, fractures from falling off of the cage onto the ring or the concrete (multiple instances) being rolled around on tacks and nails and then slamed with a chair...
Mick Foley did wrestle in the Japanese leagues..

On the other side of the coin, please don't anyone call him or any other pro wrestler a "champion" - because that implies winning an athletic competition - not simply being the pre-scripted winner of a choreographed exhibition.
Chess Champion?
Spelling Bee Champion?
Hot Dog Eating Champion?

no, Champion only implies that he was considered the best in the feild where the title of [___] Champion was handed out.

so yea, Chris was a Pro-Wrestling Champion.

Mick Foley did wrestle in the Japanese leagues..

where, I beleive, he got his ear torn off. as well as several injuries from land mines and other explosives they put around the ring. (toned down I believe, but still dangerious.)

and I love watching Japanese Female Wrestling... man those are brutal!

I wonder how Chyna is doing over there...

I would call that Morbid Curiousity... not idolization.

I guess you're right, for the most part (although, I suspect some of the people I know actually do idolize them, just from their tone), but obsession is still obsession.

Chess Champion?
Spelling Bee Champion?
Hot Dog Eating Champion?

no, Champion only implies that he was considered the best in the feild where the title of [___] Champion was handed out.

so yea, Chris was a Pro-Wrestling Champion.

You're examples prove my point exactly. These are all actual competitions:

Chess
Spelling Bee
Hot Dog Eating

The winners were not pre-scripted. The guy who wins the hot-dog eating contest is at least a real champion. The wrestling "champion" is merely an actor in the role of a champion. Competition must be real in order to have an actual winner.

You're examples prove my point exactly. These are all actual competitions:

Chess
Spelling Bee
Hot Dog Eating

The winners were not pre-scripted. The guy who wins the hot-dog eating contest is at least a real champion. The wrestling "champion" is merely an actor in the role of a champion. Competition must be real in order to have an actual winner.ah, but you said atheletic competition.

On the other side of the coin, please don't anyone call him or any other pro wrestler a "champion" - because that implies winning an athletic competition - not simply being the pre-scripted winner of a choreographed exhibition.

and they still gave out the title of Champion to those that actually won when they were supposed to have lost. First timers who won "accidentally" and I remember a NON-Wrestler winning.

In fact, I remember one where one of a wrestler's "Trophy Girls" won the 24/7 hardcore title because she was trying to help her guy and ended up being the one pinned. (it was something like the guy was pinning the other, but her hands, which she was using to help hold him down was between both of them, so the referee declared her the new Hardcore Champion.) the look on all their faces could not be faked and she bolted out of the ring with both of em chasing her.

Of course, later they made up a scene where she gets pinned by her 'boss' and he gets the title, but for the longest time, WWF.com (yes, it was THAT long ago) had her pic and the fact that she held the record for being the champion for the shortest amount of time.

and they still gave out the title of Champion to those that actually won when they were supposed to have lost. First timers who won "accidentally" and I remember a NON-Wrestler winning.

In fact, I remember one where one of a wrestler's "Trophy Girls" won the 24/7 hardcore title because she was trying to help her guy and ended up being the one pinned. (it was something like the guy was pinning the other, but her hands, which she was using to help hold him down was between both of them, so the referee declared her the new Hardcore Champion.) the look on all their faces could not be faked and she bolted out of the ring with both of em chasing her.

Of course, later they made up a scene where she gets pinned by her 'boss' and he gets the title, but for the longest time, WWF.com (yes, it was THAT long ago) had her pic and the fact that she held the record for being the champion for the shortest amount of time.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

yeah, it was stupid, but the referree had to follow the rules set down.

she pinned him and it was posted as a mistake. she was actually scared that she had to 'defend' her title in the ring...

but in the interview, she said they worked out the "scene" so that the title would be where it belonged without her actually... wrestling... :p

Just to satisfy my curiosity, how many of you who'd already posted sincere RIPs to Mr. Benoit are feeling enraged now?

Not me. I'm just perplexed and saddened. :(

Alright, here's my 2 cents. I heard a lot of the wrestlers who were being interviewed on Monday say that he was a "really private man" and that he didn't really let people in. The papers are also citing the information that his wife filed for divorce and a restraining order due to domestic violence in 2003. She dropped both a few months later. This is what I think happened:

I think Benoit was one of those guys that is a pillar in the community but is secretly an abuser at home. Very controlling, manipulative, emotionally abusive, etc. Most women don't leave at first and then are eventually too scared to leave, since it is the most dangerous when they DO try to. I think her escape attempt ended up failing because he threatened her or she was otherwise worried about leaving. Maybe he convinced her that he would change, that everything would be okay. People probably thought she was crazy cause Benoit was such a nice guy.

The events of the past weekend do NOT look like 'roid rage. They were premeditated, if completely insane-looking. The binding has to do with the ultimate form of control. Can't let the kid get away and tell people what really happened, right? So he kills his wife, possibly for threatening to leave again. Has a pleasant day with the son, the whole time knowing that he will have to die too, and kills him when he goes to bed. Then, knowing that he'd never get away with it or maybe racked with guilt or maybe following them into the afterlife as a last form of control, hangs himself.

These things happen.

a lot of odd things going on in world of Wrestling this month

Alright, here's my 2 cents. I heard a lot of the wrestlers who were being interviewed on Monday say that he was a "really private man" and that he didn't really let people in. The papers are also citing the information that his wife filed for divorce and a restraining order due to domestic violence in 2003. She dropped both a few months later. This is what I think happened:

I think Benoit was one of those guys that is a pillar in the community but is secretly an abuser at home. Very controlling, manipulative, emotionally abusive, etc. Most women don't leave at first and then are eventually too scared to leave, since it is the most dangerous when they DO try to. I think her escape attempt ended up failing because he threatened her or she was otherwise worried about leaving. Maybe he convinced her that he would change, that everything would be okay. People probably thought she was crazy cause Benoit was such a nice guy.

The events of the past weekend do NOT look like 'roid rage. They were premeditated, if completely insane-looking. The binding has to do with the ultimate form of control. Can't let the kid get away and tell people what really happened, right? So he kills his wife, possibly for threatening to leave again. Has a pleasant day with the son, the whole time knowing that he will have to die too, and kills him when he goes to bed. Then, knowing that he'd never get away with it or maybe racked with guilt or maybe following them into the afterlife as a last form of control, hangs himself.

These things happen.

Wow. Are you from CSI? You are, aren't you?

Wow. Are you from CSI? You are, aren't you?I bet he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

Wow. Are you from CSI? You are, aren't you?

Or maybe she just read a murder story. Or watches Law and Order.

Or has paid attention to domestic violence cases in the past decade.

*shrug*

I bet he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

She. But points for the reference.

In the sense that he had a following of people, people who knew who he was, and were saddened by his death...some of whom seem willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I question why that is, when someone they know nothing about would hardly be given the same.

You answer your own question here.

People are willing to give him some benefit of the doubt Because They Do Know Something About Him - Or At Least Think They Do.


What they know/believe they know is not in keeping with what happened -----> More inclined to be confused, willing to give benefit of the doubt.

Less whining, more thinking!

Or has paid attention to domestic violence cases in the past decade.

You'd do that too, if you were a crime scene detective.

Less whining, more thinking!

But I don't want to!! :p

Wow. Are you from CSI? You are, aren't you?

I've done a fair amount of research on domestic violence, and some of my clients would be considered domestic violence cases. And quite frankly, I'm not gorgeous enough and I don't speak really really fast so I couldn't be in CSI anyway. Oh well!

I'm still convinced the Canadian Mafia whacked him and his family.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They are fake entertainers, not chainsaw juggling gladiators.

I would like now to see you dedicate your life to being thrown around 325 days a year, with only a day of travel time to recover in between shows.

You are now in a wrestling match. Remember that though the move you are about to be put into that will result in your back being slammed hard into a firm mat that it is a scripted move, it is a move that will be applied to you in one variation or another five times tonight, and about four times tomorrow. Of course, as I said your back will slam against the mat with great impact. It's scripted though, right? A power bomb can't hurt that hard, and a suplex must not be that bad. Or can it?

A week or two of this goes bye, and damn the hurt is really starting to wear you down. Those power bombs may be scripted, but damn you're really starting to appreciate the fact that being body slammed is being body slammed. Period. Well, there's little left to do now but to quit or take your paycheck and down some painkillers. After all, hurt or no hurt you've still got to work a match tonight and tomorrow as well. Don't forget the eight hour drive you need to make to the next town.

Oh shucks, and it looks like your opponent tonight didn't know how to perform his spot properly. You just broke your neck, and currently can't feel a damn thing. You're in the hospital now undergoing surgery, and the doctors tell you that you're unable to perform the way you used to. But you still need that paycheck don't you, after all how else will you pay the medical bill? Sadly because of the injury you've been scrapped way back down the card during your injury time, and you need to prove your worth again in order to build your heat up. It looks like you'll be doing over time on top of that injury, and that means a hell of a lot more painkillers. Damn.

You finally get to the top, and the world is yours. Fans are cheering your name and you've brought the business a mighty dollar. Things are looking up now that the promoter wants you to be the star of every event. Now, you won't be working against the little guys in five minute matches. You'll be main eventing gimmick matches with cages and ladders galore for a good ten - fifteen minutes night in and night out. At least you've got that belt around your waist though. That makes all the difference in the world, doesn't it? At least until some ass kisser and his wife who is the daughter of the head booker comes around and pushed you off your mountain. But you'll still work. After all, you're gonna' need that paycheck.

When you return from this voyage tell me then how fake the business is.

Until you embark on this journey, I'm afraid you have no merit in your opinion on the dangers of and lack of welfare that is the wrestling business. If you would like to further be educated on the dangerous reality that is the wrestling industry, please feel free to contact me and schedule a time for your appropriate lessons.

Thank you.

I heard from my friend that watches wrestling that he went mad after taking too many steroids and killed his family and then himself.

I would like now to see you dedicate your life to being thrown around 325 days a year, with only a day of travel time to recover in between shows.

You are now in a wrestling match. Remember that though the move you are about to be put into that will result in your back being slammed hard into a firm mat that it is a scripted move, it is a move that will be applied to you in one variation or another five times tonight, and about four times tomorrow. Of course, as I said your back will slam against the mat with great impact. It's scripted though, right? A power bomb can't hurt that hard, and a suplex must not be that bad. Or can it?

A week or two of this goes bye, and damn the hurt is really starting to wear you down. Those power bombs may be scripted, but damn you're really starting to appreciate the fact that being body slammed is being body slammed. Period. Well, there's little left to do now but to quit or take your paycheck and down some painkillers. After all, hurt or no hurt you've still got to work a match tonight and tomorrow as well. Don't forget the eight hour drive you need to make to the next town.

Oh shucks, and it looks like your opponent tonight didn't know how to perform his spot properly. You just broke your neck, and currently can't feel a damn thing. You're in the hospital now undergoing surgery, and the doctors tell you that you're unable to perform the way you used to. But you still need that paycheck don't you, after all how else will you pay the medical bill? Sadly because of the injury you've been scrapped way back down the card during your injury time, and you need to prove your worth again in order to build your heat up. It looks like you'll be doing over time on top of that injury, and that means a hell of a lot more painkillers. Damn.

You finally get to the top, and the world is yours. Fans are cheering your name and you've brought the business a mighty dollar. Things are looking up now that the promoter wants you to be the star of every event. Now, you won't be working against the little guys in five minute matches. You'll be main eventing gimmick matches with cages and ladders galore for a good ten - fifteen minutes night in and night out. At least you've got that belt around your waist though. That makes all the difference in the world, doesn't it? At least until some ass kisser and his wife who is the daughter of the head booker comes around and pushed you off your mountain. But you'll still work. After all, you're gonna' need that paycheck.

When you return from this voyage tell me then how fake the business is.

Until you embark on this journey, I'm afraid you have no merit in your opinion on the dangers of and lack of welfare that is the wrestling business. If you would like to further be educated on the dangerous reality that is the wrestling industry, please feel free to contact me and schedule a time for your appropriate lessons.

Thank you.


YAY! :)

I heard from my friend that watches wrestling that he went mad after taking to many steroids and killed his family and then himself.

They were prescribed by a doctor. Now whether they should have been or not is one question. But the other question is, why was Chris Benoit at his doctor the friday of that fateful weekend? Apparently the police(who just raided the doctor's office) want to know.

I still want to see further evidence that he killed the wife and kid. So far I am not convinced that we've the whole story or the right story at all, and I'm sickened by how quick people are to point fingers and resort to name calling. The investigators have given very shady reports each time they were interviewed on camera, often using words like "we think he did this" and "think she had this." or "we saw the son had these marks, but we're pretty sure Benoit did this." which implies they aren't at a definite result. Two days ago they said Daniel was suffocated with a bag, and that he was killed first. Then they said he had a pillow smothered over his face after the wife. Now they're saying that drugs might have been involved. I have no obligation to believe anything they say at this point.

If Benoit did in fact kill his wife and son, then it does not damage his credibility as one of the greatest workers of all time nor does it erase the good that he was known for. I am ashamed that WWE is back stepping their tribute to Chris, but can understand their fear of reprisals with all these lunatics running around like animals criticizing at every opportunity a man they never met, and an incident they have no 100% conformation of the story behind.

Either way you look at it, this is a very sad case. Three people are dead and all three of them deserve my compassion and sympathy, but no soul can rest peacefully after such a tragic turn of events. It will take a long time for this to be resolved, no matter what you believe.

YAY! :)

My apologies for the spelling and grammatical errors. I'm sure someone will point them out to me.

My apologies for the spelling and grammatical errors. I'm sure someone will point them out to me.

I'm not qualified. As long as they aren't frequent, extreme or something I can make fun of, I don't care. :)

*Snip*

Pain and hardwork does not make it any less fake as a competition

I'd assume almost everyone has a good side.

That good side gets negated when a person kills his or her family. Famous, or not.
People just don't want to think badly of their heroes or idols or whatever.
I'm not gorgeous enough

False.

I've done a fair amount of research on domestic violence, and some of my clients would be considered domestic violence cases. And quite frankly, I'm not gorgeous enough and I don't speak really really fast so I couldn't be in CSI anyway. Oh well!

Aw :(, don't be hard on yourself…

*stops being creepy*

Pain and hardwork does not make it any less fake as a competition

The matches aren't the competition, the competition is who can draw a crowd to the match.

[QUOTE=Lunatic Goofballs;12812505]You probably don't care much about pro wrestling. I rarely watch it, but it's good for some mindless entertainment on occasion. I used to wtch it every week with my friends and we had some great times on monday nights. My personal favorite wrestler of all time is Chris Benoit.

WAS Chris Benoit. I just read on WWE.com's website that Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. This isn't a kayfabe story.

I'm searching for more details right now. If you have some, please share. I'm actually somewhat upset by this.

He killed is wife and kid then hanged himself with weightlifting equipment. And he killed his son a day after his wife with a sleeper hold.

I still want to see further evidence that he killed the wife and kid. So far I am not convinced that we've the whole story or the right story at all, and I'm sickened by how quick people are to point fingers and resort to name calling. The investigators have given very shady reports each time they were interviewed on camera, often using words like "we think he did this" and "think she had this." or "we saw the son had these marks, but we're pretty sure Benoit did this." which implies they aren't at a definite result. Two days ago they said Daniel was suffocated with a bag, and that he was killed first. Then they said he had a pillow smothered over his face after the wife. Now they're saying that drugs might have been involved. I have no obligation to believe anything they say at this point.

If Benoit did in fact kill his wife and son, then it does not damage his credibility as one of the greatest workers of all time nor does it erase the good that he was known for. I am ashamed that WWE is back stepping their tribute to Chris, but can understand their fear of reprisals with all these lunatics running around like animals criticizing at every opportunity a man they never met, and an incident they have no 100% conformation of the story behind.

Either way you look at it, this is a very sad case. Three people are dead and all three of them deserve my compassion and sympathy, but no soul can rest peacefully after such a tragic turn of events. It will take a long time for this to be resolved, no matter what you believe.

I agree with you. I haven't seen much on the news, but I find it hard to believe that he did it. If he did do it, I still can't and couldn't judge him. I have never walked a mile in his shoes. I, and we, may never know what he was feeling or what was going through his mind those last two or three days. I will still remember him for his in ring performances and watch his old matches with a smile... R.I.P. Mr. Benoit

He killed is wife and kid then hanged himself with weightlifting equipment. And he killed his son a day after his wife with a sleeper hold.

Where are you getting your very detailed information from then

Also, latest news details say that the needle marks on Daniel Benoit that quite a few people were all too happy to Nifong as being for growth hormone injections might in fact have been from legitimate medical treatments for his Fragile X Syndrome.

Where are you getting your very detailed information from then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ean-EdKt5MU

The District Attourney in charge

Last night, when I was flipping through the channels, I got to CNN and some perpetually pissed off guy with a buzzcut was saying that he doesn't mean to blame the victims but he thinks it's Nancy's fault for not doing something to stop Chris from killing her. Then tonight, Keith Olberman declared Bill O'Reilley to be the worst person in the world for saying the same thing. This means CNN now has someone as stupid as Bill O'Reilley.

Last night, when I was flipping through the channels, I got to CNN and some perpetually pissed off guy with a buzzcut was saying that he doesn't mean to blame the victims but he thinks it's Nancy's fault for not doing something to stop Chris from killing her. Then tonight, Keith Olberman declared Bill O'Reilley to be the worst person in the world for saying the same thing. This means CNN now has someone as stupid as Bill O'Reilley.

There is a whole audience of people who watch Bill O'Reilley. How stupid is that? :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ean-EdKt5MU

The District Attourney in charge

It irritates me that there's so many of his fans blatantly ignoring the evidence - ALL of it pointing to him being a child and wife murderer - simply because he was famous. It's disgusting. Anyone else, and the amount of evidence that's been presented would've caused the same people to condemn them. On his IMDB page there's dozens of threads filled with fucked up retard-o conspiracy theories ranging from "a rival wrestler did it" (look up kayfabe, guys) to "the police set him up." It makes me sick.

Personally I think this highlights the fact that the industry needs to clean itself up. How many others have to die at this sort of age for something to be done.

Eddie Guerrero (38) Heart failure
British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith (40) Heart Attack
Brian Pillman (35) Heart failure
Von Erich family - Chris, 21, Kerry, 33, and Mike, 23 - Suicide

Art Barr (28), Crash Holly (32), Chris Candido (33), Terry Gordy (40), Ravishing Rick Rude (41), Miss Elizabeth (42), Big Boss Man (42), Curt Hennig (44), Bam Bam Bigelow (45), Junkyard Dog (45), Road Warrior Hawk (46) and Sensational Sherri (49)

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/06/28/wrestler.ap/index.html

The plot thickens.

I heard about it via this rather weird article (http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Mystery-over-wrestlers-Wikipedia-entry/2007/06/29/1182624143518.html) in the Sydney Morning Herald:

An Australian link has emerged in the mystery of who altered pro wrestler Chris Benoit's Wikipedia entry to mention his wife's death - [over 14] hours before authorities discovered the bodies of the couple and their son.

Seriously weird. :eek:

The anonymous user who did it later posted on the talk page (from the same IP) claiming it was a massive coincidence. There is no conspiracy here. See here. (http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Death_of_Nancy_Benoit_rumour_posted_on_Wikipedia_hours_prior_to_body_being_foun d&diff=449245&oldid=449236)

The anonymous user who did it later posted on the talk page (from the same IP) claiming it was a massive coincidence. There is no conspiracy here.

I can lie too. Look:

2 + 2 is 42.

I can lie too. Look:

2 + 2 is 42.

You, however, cannot replicate that IP address on demand.

The anonymous user who did it later posted on the talk page (from the same IP) claiming it was a massive coincidence. There is no conspiracy here. See here. (http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Death_of_Nancy_Benoit_rumour_posted_on_Wikipedia_hours_prior_to_body_being_foun d&diff=449245&oldid=449236)

Yeah, I've failed to see why the wikipedia things is so big. Apparently no one in the world of real journalism has actually used wikipedia. It is full of conjecture and supposition. Some one made a general and stupid leap of faith in logic to say Benoit's wife was dead.

Yeah, I've failed to see why the wikipedia things is so big. Apparently no one in the world of real journalism has actually used wikipedia. It is full of conjecture and supposition. Some one made a general and stupid leap of faith in logic to say Benoit's wife was dead.

I don't particularly mind Wikipedia. It's good for a quick glance to confirm a fact or even for some leisurely reading. It's especially helpful in the areas of maths, physics and the sciences (where it's particularly thorough and accurate). Of course, there's also a knack one must develop for seeing through the POV, bullshit, bias and vandalism.

My dad called me the other day and, among other things, said "So, apparently, Chris Benoit mudered his family" and I was like "The wrestler? Wierd".

And the Toronto Sun headline of that day was 'Alberta Wrestler Dies'. Those guys are seriously poor journalists if just some guy knows more than them the day before.

Also, I think yesterday they had a little thing on the front page that said "'Roid Rage?" and I thought it was about hemorrhoids until I read this thread, but that's neither here nor there, nor anywhere, really...

That should say 'murdered' by the way.

He didn't say muder.

I don't particularly mind Wikipedia. It's good for a quick glance to confirm a fact or even for some leisurely reading. It's especially helpful in the areas of maths, physics and the sciences (where it's particularly thorough and accurate). Of course, there's also a knack one must develop for seeing through the POV, bullshit, bias and vandalism.

I'll admit, when I have a question on a scientific topic I have little familiarity, I find myself starting at Wikipedia. It gives a broad overview in layman's terms and usually provides references to more substantial information. I don't know who does most of their science and technical updates, but it's pretty sound.

I'll admit, when I have a question on a scientific topic I have little familiarity, I find myself starting at Wikipedia. It gives a broad overview in layman's terms and usually provides references to more substantial information. I don't know who does most of their science and technical updates, but it's pretty sound.

There's quite a few actual "experts" in those fields posting on Wikipedia - far more experts per edit than, say, on topics of popular culture.

It irritates me that there's so many of his fans blatantly ignoring the evidence - ALL of it pointing to him being a child and wife murderer - simply because he was famous. It's disgusting. Anyone else, and the amount of evidence that's been presented would've caused the same people to condemn them. On his IMDB page there's dozens of threads filled with fucked up retard-o conspiracy theories ranging from "a rival wrestler did it" (look up kayfabe, guys) to "the police set him up." It makes me sick.


I agree. By all indications, this was a terrible man who committed horrendous, condemnable acts of violence. And I have no respect for the WWE, which right off the bat declares "This can't possibly be due to steroids." While the actual toxicologists are analyzing and investigating the matter based on the physical evidence before them, the WWE moves quickly to minimize public perception damage and look out for its own interests....and not the interests of its wrestlers, many (all?) of whom use these steroids and then suffer early deaths.

Aren't anabolic steroids illegal, by the way?

What totally bowls me over is the case of the Wikipedia entry. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/29/wrestler.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories) I mean, what the hell? How does someone know about this 14 hours before the authorities discover the bodies?? And the follow-up confession, that it was based on "speculation" and that the editer could "not believe what he wrote was actually true"? This sounds fishy....unbelievably fishy. You do not represent someone's death as fact based on "rumors and speculation" while doubting its veracity.

Add that the IP came from where WWE is situated...no idea how that relates necessarily, but this is *very* shady.

This is exactly why I get all my news from Encyclopedia Dramatica.

What totally bowls me over is the case of the Wikipedia entry. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/29/wrestler.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories) I mean, what the hell? How does someone know about this 14 hours before the authorities discover the bodies?? And the follow-up confession, that it was based on "speculation" and that the editer could "not believe what he wrote was actually true"? This sounds fishy....unbelievably fishy. You do not represent someone's death as fact based on "rumors and speculation" while doubting its veracity.

Add that the IP came from where WWE is situated...no idea how that relates necessarily, but this is *very* shady.

Agreed, I was stunned when I saw that. I also find it annoying that the WWE is so quick to dismiss "roid rage." Maybe roid rage wasn't the cause of the murder, but why would the WWE so vehemently deny that steroids had any involvements? Are they basically admitting they gave him steroids?

Also, I heard that the number of deaths before the age of 45 (or 65, maybe both) in WWE wrestlers dwarfs that of any other professional sport. Maybe Vince McMahon needs to rethink how he runs his organization.

This is exactly why I get all my news from Encyclopedia Dramatica.

I be they have the low down on what's happening.

I agree. By all indications, this was a terrible man who committed horrendous, condemnable acts of violence. And I have no respect for the WWE, which right off the bat declares "This can't possibly be due to steroids." While the actual toxicologists are analyzing and investigating the matter based on the physical evidence before them, the WWE moves quickly to minimize public perception damage and look out for its own interests....and not the interests of its wrestlers, many (all?) of whom use these steroids and then suffer early deaths.

Aren't anabolic steroids illegal, by the way?

What totally bowls me over is the case of the Wikipedia entry. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/29/wrestler.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories) I mean, what the hell? How does someone know about this 14 hours before the authorities discover the bodies?? And the follow-up confession, that it was based on "speculation" and that the editer could "not believe what he wrote was actually true"? This sounds fishy....unbelievably fishy. You do not represent someone's death as fact based on "rumors and speculation" while doubting its veracity.

Add that the IP came from where WWE is situated...no idea how that relates necessarily, but this is *very* shady.

Steroids are illegal if - and only if - obtained illegally. The police report states that Benoit's steroids were legally prescribed.

That IP doesn't trace to WWE headquarters. Someone posted that as a joke (or in error) and everyone has jumped on the bandwagon (even the media!). It resolves to an entirely different state. Also, the anonymous IP was verified to be a user from a popular wrestling chatroom for a wrestling magazine - who posted it after someone in the chatroom joked that the reason Benoit missed Vengence was because his wife had died.

You've clearly not used Wikipedia enough. People post things based on "rumour and speculation" all the time. Probably 90% of what goes into a typical biography article is "rumour and speculation".

You, like many others, are looking for conspiracy where this is none.

EDIT: Oh yeah, "'roid rage"? A popular misconception regarding anabolic steroids. It doesn't exist.

Gotta Love Steroids
Bulk up your body
Win at sports
Smack your family around
Kill them
Kill yourself
Gotta Love Steroids