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US Generals: We don't have the force levels, supplies,etc. to hold areas we take back

Liuzzo
25-06-2007, 02:48
U.S. Generals Doubt Iraqi Force Strength
'Chemical Ali,' a Saddam Cousin, Sentenced to Death
By LAUREN FRAYER
AP
Posted: 2007-06-24 17:05:06
BAGHDAD (June 24) - The U.S. commander of a new offensive north of Baghdad , reclaiming insurgent territory day by day, said Sunday his Iraqi partners may be too weak to hold onto the gains.


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The Iraqi military does not even have enough ammunition, said Brig. Gen. Mick Bednarek: "They're not quite up to the job yet."

His counterpart south of Baghdad seemed to agree, saying U.S. troops are too few to garrison the districts newly rid of insurgents. "It can't be coalition (U.S.) forces. We have what we have. There's got to be more Iraqi security forces," said Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch.

The two commanders spoke after a deadly day for the U.S. military in Iraq . At least 12 soldiers were killed on Saturday from roadside bombings and other causes, leaving at least 31 dead for the week.

In central Baghdad, meanwhile, the Iraqi High Tribunal on Sunday sentenced Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as "Chemical Ali," and two others to death for their roles in the bloody suppression of Iraq's restive Kurdish minority during the 1980-88 Iran -Iraq War , a campaign prosecutors said left 180,000 dead.

Al-Majid, a cousin of executed former president Saddam Hussein and a one-time Baath Party leader in the north, was convicted of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes for ordering army and security services to use chemical weapons in the offensive against the independence-minded Kurds of northern Iraq, viewed by Saddam as traitors and Iranian allies.


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Ex-defense minister Sultan Hashim Ahmad al-Tai and Hussein Rashid Mohammed, a former deputy operations director for the Iraqi military, also were sentenced to hang for the anti-Kurdish atrocities. Two others, former intelligence officials under Saddam, were sentenced to life in prison, and the charges against a former northern governor were dismissed.

In the U.S. offensive dubbed Operation Arrowhead Ripper, some 10,000 American troops were in their sixth day of combat to drive Sunni al-Qaida militants from their stronghold in Baqouba, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad.

Between 60 and 100 suspected al-Qaida fighters and one U.S. soldier have been killed so far in the fighting in western Baqouba, said Bednarek, the 25th Infantry Division's deputy commander for operations. About 60 insurgents were detained, he said.

He estimated between 50 and 100 insurgents were inside a U.S. security cordon in the city. "We're closing the noose," Bednarek told The Associated Press. "It's the hardcore fighters left _ guys who will die for their cause."

He said U.S. forces now control about 60 percent of the city's west side, but "the challenge now is, how do you hold onto the terrain you've cleared? You have to do that shoulder-to-shoulder with Iraqi security forces. And they're not quite up to the job yet."

Across Diyala province, where Baqouba is the capital, Iraqi troops are short on uniforms, weapons, ammunition, trucks and radios, he said.

Bednarek predicted it would be weeks before Iraqi police and soldiers could keep al-Qaida out of western Baqouba, and months before they were able to do the same on the city's east side and outlying villages.

Lynch, commander of the 3rd Infantry Division and of an operation clearing Baghdad's southern outskirts, was asked at a news conference whether he thought Iraqi troops would be able to secure his gains.

"There's not enough of them, there's not enough of them," Lynch replied. "So I believe the Iraqi government has got to work to create more Iraqi security forces."

He cited statements by Lt. Gen. Martin Dempsey, the outgoing head of the training command here who told a U.S. congressional panel this month that the Iraqi army, now 159,000 troops, should be expanded by at least 20,000 in order to free U.S. troops from some critical missions.


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I'm tired of the damn lip service our CinC gives to the people of this country and the military. We're told that the "Generals on teh ground will get whatever they need" and time and time again that's proven to be utter bunk.

Too few soldiers to fight the war, too few soldiers to end the war, too many stupid politicians who've never been too war. You see a problem yet?
Ifreann
25-06-2007, 02:53
All three share the blame to some extent, but most of it probably falls on Bush and his cronies for starting the war before they knew how they were going to end it.
Andaras Prime
25-06-2007, 03:01
Well the number one essential of a military campaign is to make sure you have the adequate troops, supplies, ammo and fuel to hold the territory you capture, the Battle of the Bulge showed this, the US can only really use close air support and strikes so much - you can't hold territory with airstrikes.
Liuzzo
25-06-2007, 03:20
Well the number one essential of a military campaign is to make sure you have the adequate troops, supplies, ammo and fuel to hold the territory you capture, the Battle of the Bulge showed this, the US can only really use close air support and strikes so much - you can't hold territory with airstrikes.

Very good point. It enrages me to know that the lives our our military, and those of Iraqis are put at unnecessary risk due to incompetence. Lessons are taught in previous battlefronts and should be used to increase efficiency in future battles. The Vietnam was taught us all about the force levels needed to defeat an insurgency but our current leadership hasn't use the information for any end. Then again, our current leadership was too busy getting deferments, training on obsolete equipment they knew would never be used, or working on political campaigns to learn these lessons. We sure as hell know they don't care to read contemporary writers and strategists who comment on these matters. It brings me back to a quote that an old marine and football coach used to tell us "if you fail to plan then you're planning to fail." Perhaps the administration should have played high school football in my town and then might be a little wiser.
Andaras Prime
25-06-2007, 03:27
Also apparently, apart from the usual arguments about withdrawal, their is a big fear that the US having so much heavy equipment, supplies and arms in Iraq which would take ridiculous resources to take back to the US or wherever, that the Generals will just do a 'Soviet' and leave it all behind, I certainly wouldn't put it past them, the US military is a little wasteful.