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Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill
Josh Catone
Published: Saturday June 23, 2007

Following Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that his office is not a part of the executive branch of the US government, Democratic Caucus Chairman Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) plans to introduce an amendment to the the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations bill to cut funding for Cheney's office.

The amendment to the bill that sets the funding for the executive branch will be considered next week in the House of Representatives.

"The Vice President has a choice to make. If he believes his legal case, his office has no business being funded as part of the executive branch," said Emanuel in a statement released to RAW STORY. "However, if he demands executive branch funding he cannot ignore executive branch rules. At the very least, the Vice President should be consistent. This amendment will ensure that the Vice President's funding is consistent with his legal arguments."

At a press briefing yesterday, White House Deputy Press Secretary Dana Perino said that Cheney's assertion that he operates outside of the executive branch of government was "an interesting constitutional question that people can debate" and a "non-issue."

On Thursday, Emanuel suggested that if Cheney feels his office is not part of the executive branch "he should return the salary the American taxpayers have been paying him since January 2001, and move out of the home for which they are footing the bill."

Emanuel also released the following graphic satirizing the situation:

http://www.rawstory.com/images/other/emanuel-cheney-graphic.jpg

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Democrats_plan_to_cut_Cheney_out_0623.html

Well, it's about fucking time the democrats stop with this "Let's do whatever they want" bullshit.

Oh, and this story is so fucking awesome, I think the headline bears repeating:

Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill
Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill
Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill
DEMOCRATS PLAN TO CUT CHENEY OUT OF EXECUTIVE FUNDING BILL

Awesome.

I love it but I don't see the majority of politicians ever sending a significant message towards the White House. People like Emanuel seem to be pretty rare.

I love it but I don't see the majority of politicians ever sending a significant message towards the White House. People like Emanuel seem to be pretty rare.

Actually, Rahm Emanuel is one of the more traditional politicians in the Democratic Leadership. This is a pretty rare kind of action from him.

OWNED.

FUCKING PWNEDD!!!one!1

Or not. The bill hasn't passed yet, Bush'll probably veto it if it does get passed, and it's up in the air if the bill can get the needed 2/3 executive override vote.

Huggles for supporters of this bill!!!

Go them for demanding consistency. Even if it doesn't pass, that'll get Cheney's attention.

Actually, Rahm Emanuel is one of the more traditional politicians in the Democratic Leadership. This is a pretty rare kind of action from him.

Then I suppose miracles really can happen.

*gets self a drink*

If they can get Cheney on tax evasion somehow, that'd be the ultimate irony.

Or ooh, better yet. Embezzlement of government funds under false premises.

If they can get Cheney on tax evasion somehow, that'd be the ultimate irony.

Or ooh, better yet. Embezzlement of government funds under false premises.

There has been some talk about H.Res 333 (Articles of Impeachment against Richard B. Cheney) seeing a vote in the House Judiciary Committee sometime soon. However, they are woefully inadequate charges, in my opinion, when there are a million different possible scandals to use, and Iraq is such a questionable one.

http://www.rawstory.com/images/other/emanuel-cheney-graphic.jpg

All hail Rep. Emanuel.

Dick Cheney:"ar ar, IDKFA, IDKFA!"

This is too funny. I only wish it would stick, it'd be almost better to see this happen than to see that slimy SOB impeached.

Emanuel.

Am I the only one that notices?

Emanuel = Emanuel Goldstein = Pro-Freedom figure in 1984

Golly gee, if Rahm-bo could ridicule the Republicans with more funny pictures, the Democrats will surely save this Republic! :rolleyes:

Oh well, at least he did something.

Dick Cheney? Allah does not love this man. May the Democrats drink his blood - er, cut his paycheck.

You do know that he probably gives back his salary to charity, much like how Bush gives his to charity as well, as they don't need it.

And what branch does the VP fall under anyway? Its not Judiciary for sure.

Legislative, as he is president of the senate, But that just means he gets his office there and gets paid as POTS, which is the same pay as VP as they are the same position.

Stupid, stupid waste of time is what this bill is, but damned be the ebil Republicans if they cut Al Gore's check when he was VP!

Gotta remember the stupid double standards in politics.

You do know that he probably gives back his salary to charity, much like how Bush gives his to charity as well, as they don't need it.

And what branch does the VP fall under anyway? Its not Judiciary for sure.

Legislative, as he is president of the senate, But that just means he gets his office there and gets paid as POTS, which is the same pay as VP as they are the same position.

Stupid, stupid waste of time is what this bill is, but damned be the ebil Republicans if they cut Al Gore's check when he was VP!

Gotta remember the stupid double standards in politics.


Al Gore never tried to claim that he was a seperate branch of government to try and avoid having to follow an executive order forcing him to follow standard declasification protocol. This is decidedly and disgustingly underhanded, and a symptom of the arrogant lawbreaking that the Bush administration will be known for.

You do know that he probably gives back his salary to charity, much like how Bush gives his to charity as well, as they don't need it.

And what branch does the VP fall under anyway? Its not Judiciary for sure.

Legislative, as he is president of the senate, But that just means he gets his office there and gets paid as POTS, which is the same pay as VP as they are the same position.

Stupid, stupid waste of time is what this bill is, but damned be the ebil Republicans if they cut Al Gore's check when he was VP!

Gotta remember the stupid double standards in politics.

Well, it's Cheney's fault (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/06/22/cheney_asserts_hes_part_of_the_legislative_branch/) that he's being held to what he said. He claimed his office was part of the legislative branch, so his office is being cut out of executive funding.

What the GOP defines as charity is different from what normal people define as charity, for example normal people wouldn't define Free Republic, SCOTUS, anti-feminist groups, oil lobbies as charities.

You do know that he probably gives back his salary to charity, much like how Bush gives his to charity as well, as they don't need it.

source?

And what branch does the VP fall under anyway? Its not Judiciary for sure.

No shit, Sherlock.

Legislative, as he is president of the senate, But that just means he gets his office there and gets paid as POTS, which is the same pay as VP as they are the same position.

A) Bullshit.

B) Fine, then he gets the funding for his office cut. You can't have it both ways, much as you might want to.

Stupid, stupid waste of time is what this bill is, but damned be the ebil Republicans if they cut Al Gore's check when he was VP!

Gotta remember the stupid double standards in politics.

If Gore had tried to pull a stunt like this he would have deserved the same thing, and as it was a Republican controlled Congress from '94 on, it's exactly what he would have gotten.

Well in most likely strict interpretation of the Constitution, Hes part of the legislative, and is only in the executive branch if he assumes the title of Acting President, or President.

President of the Senate is what the VP is, doesn't say which branch, doesn't say who he gets payed by.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America#Section_3

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

No where else does it say what power the Vice president has in the executive branch, so it is assumed he has none, thus placing him in the Legislative.

Cheney is probably right on this, congress is just playing stupid games.

If Cheney gets his salary taken by the Democrats, I bet he'll get out his trusty shotgun and go and an anti-Democrat crusade. :p

Well in most likely strict interpretation of the Constitution, Hes part of the legislative, and is only in the executive branch if he assumes the title of Acting President, or President.

President of the Senate is what the VP is, doesn't say which branch, doesn't say who he gets payed by.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America#Section_3



No where else does it say what power the Vice president has in the executive branch, so it is assumed he has none, thus placing him in the Legislative.

Cheney is probably right on this, congress is just playing stupid games.

So why should he be funded as part of the executive branch?

So why should he be funded as part of the executive branch?

Why did Congress pay him as executive branch in the first place?

Probably some mis-interp back in the 1790s.

Why did Congress pay him as executive branch in the first place?

Probably some mis-interp back in the 1790s.

Then its being corrected. No problem.

Well in most likely strict interpretation of the Constitution, Hes part of the legislative, and is only in the executive branch if he assumes the title of Acting President, or President.

President of the Senate is what the VP is, doesn't say which branch, doesn't say who he gets payed by.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America#Section_3



No where else does it say what power the Vice president has in the executive branch, so it is assumed he has none, thus placing him in the Legislative.

Cheney is probably right on this, congress is just playing stupid games.

The whole of Article II, which defines the Executive, not only deals with his appointment, term, and conditions for removal, but his responsability should the President be removed for whatever reason. In fact, far more definition is given of the Vice President in Article II regarding Executive than the one power he is given in the legislative. Otherwise it could be argued that the President isn't actual the Executive, he's the military since that's the power he's granted in Article II.

The whole of Article II, which defines the Executive, not only deals with his appointment, term, and conditions for removal, but his responsability should the President be removed for whatever reason. In fact, far more definition is given of the Vice President in Article II regarding Executive than the one power he is given in the legislative. Otherwise it could be argued that the President isn't actual the Executive, he's the military since that's the power he's granted in Article II.

Indeed. The Office of the Vice President wields Executive Powers, with the ability to break a tie in the Senate. Therefor, it is an part of the Executive branch, and Cheney claiming otherwise is fucking retarded.

Then its being corrected. No problem.

I suspect he'll still say it's a problem cause it's a repub getting the heat for it.

I've seen this guy's post record. It's almost, but not as bad as F.A.G.s stuff.

Actually, Rahm Emanuel is one of the more traditional politicians in the Democratic Leadership. This is a pretty rare kind of action from him.

Yeah, he is the typical chicagoland democrat. What a piece of shit he is.

OWNED.

FUCKING PWNEDD!!!one!1

Or not. The bill hasn't passed yet, Bush'll probably veto it if it does get passed, and it's up in the air if the bill can get the needed 2/3 executive override vote.

Or, possibly Cheney will recommend that congress being close, like he said when talking about the nation archives(i believe)

Well in most likely strict interpretation of the Constitution, Hes part of the legislative, and is only in the executive branch if he assumes the title of Acting President, or President.

Cheney is probably right on this, congress is just playing stupid games.


Ha! Ha! Ha. Sigh.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html

The Cabinet includes the Vice President and the heads of 15 executive departments-the Secretaries of Agriculture, Commerce, Defense, Education, Energy, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, State, Transportation, Treasury, and Veterans Affairs, and the Attorney General. Under President George W. Bush, Cabinet-level rank also has been accorded to the Administrator, Environmental Protection Agency; Director, Office of Management and Budget; the Director, National Drug Control Policy; and the U.S. Trade Representative.

Vice President is a member of the Cabinet of the President (Executive Branch, in case you conveniently forgot).

So sorry, your argument all sunk.

Captain, I Detect Large Quantities Of Win In This Sector!

Awesome.

Exclamation point!

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Democrats_plan_to_cut_Cheney_out_0623.html



http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Democrats_plan_to_cut_Cheney_out_0623.html

Well, it's about fucking time the democrats stop with this "Let's do whatever they want" bullshit.

Oh, and this story is so fucking awesome, I think the headline bears repeating:

Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill
Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill
Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill
DEMOCRATS PLAN TO CUT CHENEY OUT OF EXECUTIVE FUNDING BILL
*dances weasel dance*

This is one of the strongest glimmers of hope i've seen in FUCKING YEARS!!!

:D
:D
:D
:D
...hope it may be, but damn if it didn't charge me with life again.

"Cheney's Got a Gun..."

:D

There has been some talk about H.Res 333 (Articles of Impeachment against Richard B. Cheney) seeing a vote in the House Judiciary Committee sometime soon. However, they are woefully inadequate charges, in my opinion, when there are a million different possible scandals to use, and Iraq is such a questionable one.

Agreed--the current charges are more political than anything else. But here's the thing--if Cheney's office is part of the executive branch (and it is--Cheney's position doesn't even rise to the point of laughable), then he's been in violation of federal law for the last 4 years and has openly admitted it. He deserves impeachment.

then he's been in violation of federal law for the last 4 years and has openly admitted it. He deserves impeachment.

But he won't be.

Well in most likely strict interpretation of the Constitution, Hes part of the legislative, and is only in the executive branch if he assumes the title of Acting President, or President.

President of the Senate is what the VP is, doesn't say which branch, doesn't say who he gets payed by.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America#Section_3



No where else does it say what power the Vice president has in the executive branch, so it is assumed he has none, thus placing him in the Legislative.

Cheney is probably right on this, congress is just playing stupid games.
*Sigh*

The Bushevik apologists are out in force, I see:

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:
Oh dear, it would appear that the constitution puts the VP in the executive branch.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
It looks that the Vice President gets impeached, not the President of the Senate. Putting the VP firmly in the executive branch.

And once more for luck:

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
VP is ex officio Senate President. Not Senate President ex officio Vice President, but the other way round.

You were saying...

But he won't be.

Nope, Cheney will be free to roam our country, spewing ignorant garbage from his mouth and shooting old men in the face. :(

But he won't be.

Probably not--but there's unquestionably a case here. Remember, even if the Constitution were hazy on Cheney's position, which it isn't, SCOTUS said he had executive privilege in the case about the energy task force. You can't have it both ways--if he's executive, he gets executive privilege. If he isn't, he doesn't get it. SCOTUS said he is, so in the eyes of the law, he is. Ergo, he's in violation of federal law, and should be impeached and removed from office.