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http://alaskareport.com/z46255_mitt_romney.htm

Romney said detainees should not have access to lawyers or to U.S. constitutional rights, saying "they are terrorists."

"I do not want to see those prisoners transferred to United States soil," he said. "I do not want to see the legal system in this country potentially opened up to terrorists and feel we're better keeping Guantanamo in place. And if we need additional space, why, we should be expanding Guantanamo."

Oh my god.


Yes, they're all terrorists. Nevermind the fact that many have been and are being released with -NO- charges.


In an unrelated note, isn't this guy the mormon?

Romney is an idiot, another reason to vote for Ron Paul! (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/)

So, they can't be tried to find out whether they're terrorists, because they're terrorists. Except you don't know whether they're terrorists because you haven't tried them.

It is really depressing to see a candidate running for the highest office in this country saying that certain people are undeserving to have rights. But then using the Bill of Rights as toilet paper is nothing new for the Republicans.

Luckily it seems this ass doesn't have a prayer to get the GOP nod so we just have to deal with his crap temporarily.

It is really depressing to see a candidate running for the highest office in this country saying that certain people are undeserving to have rights. But then using the Bill of Rights as toilet paper is nothing new for the Republicans.

Luckily it seems this ass doesn't have a prayer to get the GOP nod so we just have to deal with his crap temporarily.

Ehh...I wouldn't say that just yet....

Ain't gonna be no GOP prez anyway, so what's it matter?

poor mr romney has the handicap of being a republican from massachusetts. everyone knows he is soft on EVERYTHING

so he has to talk stupid to appeal to the moron voting base of his party.

It is really depressing to see a candidate running for the highest office in this country saying that certain people are undeserving to have rights. But then using the Bill of Rights as toilet paper is nothing new for the Republicans.

Luckily it seems this ass doesn't have a prayer to get the GOP nod so we just have to deal with his crap temporarily.

I dunno. I've seen quite a few positive remarks about Romney on both sides, gets kinda creepy.

Is it just me or does he look like the senator from Heroes?

Ain't gonna be no GOP prez anyway, so what's it matter?

You can see into the future?! :eek:

Ehh...I wouldn't say that just yet....
He has more of a chance than Ron Paul but no real chance.

He has more of a chance than Ron Paul but no real chance.

Ron Paul is just waiting for the poll leader to beat each other senseless and then he'll win the Primary! :D

A few more quotes from the article:

Romney told reporters in Helena, Montana, "Guantanamo Bay plays an important role in protecting our nation from violent, heinous terrorists."

And singling out John McCain supporting shutting down the facility, Romney said, "I think Guantanamo is a symbol of our resolve."

At a presidential debate in May, Romney said, "My view is, we ought to double Guantanamo."

This reminds me of Bush's old stand on the facility, which tells me Romney isn't smart enough to learn from Bush's own mistakes on this very visible issue. That man really is a moron.

This guy is a few cells short a functioning brain. He's the perfect presidential candidate! :)

Ehh...I wouldn't say that just yet....

He seems to be dropping consistently in the polls the past few weeks and that Thompson guy seems to be gaining speed, not that he's any better then Romney is...

I just can't believe that candidates who say this kind of bullshit still get support. Makes me wonder if people really care about freedom at all as long as the supermarket is stocked and their SUVs have gas.

Generally speaking, people who think that all black people are criminals don't get elected these days.

People who think at all don't get elected. :p The public likes its officials stupid. Why else do you see people like Bush in office? ;)

Ron Paul is just waiting for the poll leader to beat each other senseless and then he'll win the Primary! :D

Generally speaking, people who think that all black people are criminals don't get elected these days.

Generally speaking, people who think that all black people are criminals don't get elected these days.

Or Republicans who say things like
They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East [for years]. I think [Ronald] Reagan was right. We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics.

Bill Clinton has a better chance of winning the Republican primaries than Ron Paul.

And singling out John McCain supporting shutting down the facility, Romney said, "I think Guantanamo is a symbol of our resolve."

Not to mention a symbol of our hypocrisy.

Ron Paul is just waiting for the poll leader to beat each other senseless and then he'll win the Primary! :D

Ron Paul lost many people when he defended the Virginia Tech shooters right to own a weapon.

He seems to think its a bad idea to deny people who have been deemed a danger to themselves and or others the right to own a gun.

The shrub has a better chance at getting elected again then him....

In an unrelated note, isn't this guy the mormon?

Yes, Let the retarded mormon bashing begin!

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Who really gives a fuck what religion someone is?

Yes, Let the retarded mormon bashing begin!

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Who really gives a fuck what religion someone is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_movement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jfk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism (scroll down to the US)

America has a history of problems with religion that isn't the ASP in WASP.
(All these examples are Catholic, simply because Romney is the first Mormon I know of to run for pres. Someone disprove me. Please. :))

poor mr romney has the handicap of being a republican from massachusetts. everyone knows he is soft on EVERYTHING

so he has to talk stupid to appeal to the moron voting base of his party.

Romney is NOT from Massachusetts. He's from Michigan via a long stint in Utah, where he was in charge of getting the Olympics into Salt Lake City, a deal so crooked, the IOC was investigated for bribery in connection with it - an investigation that went nowhere - shades of things to come?

Romney attended Harvard, but then he disappeared from Massachusetts and did not come back until he breezed into Boston out of the blue to run for governor, which he won on the backs of the Mass upper crust and rightwingers (bolstered by out of state anti-gay-marriage religious activists) because he promised to lower taxes. The buyers' remorse on that election kicked in almost immediately afterward.

I just want to get that point clear because, while I'll always be a New Yorker, I live in Mass now, and I don't want that lying scumbag associated with any place that I've ever lived.

For reference, here's his resume in brief:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/mitt-romney/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_movement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jfk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism (scroll down to the US)

America has a history of problems with religion that isn't the ASP in WASP.
(All these examples are Catholic, simply because Romney is the first Mormon I know of to run for pres. Someone disprove me. Please. :))

im pretty sure that joseph smith himself ran for president.

Romney is NOT from Massachusetts. He's from Michigan via a long stint in Utah, where he was in charge of getting the Olympics into Salt Lake City, a deal so crooked, the IOC was investigated for bribery in connection with it - an investigation that went nowhere - shades of things to come?

Romney attended Harvard, but then he disappeared from Massachusetts and did not come back until he breezed into Boston out of the blue to run for governor, which he won on the backs of the Mass upper crust and rightwingers (bolstered by out of state anti-gay-marriage religious activists) because he promised to lower taxes. The buyers' remorse on that election kicked in almost immediately afterward.

I just want to get that point clear because, while I'll always be a New Yorker, I live in Mass now, and I don't want that lying scumbag associated with any place that I've ever lived.

For reference, here's his resume in brief:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/mitt-romney/


lol

sorry, you cant avoid the stain when the man has been elected governor.

im pretty sure that joseph smith himself ran for president.

He intended to, but stopped after his running mate was ass-ass-inated.

Surprised it's taken so long for someone to point this out, but the original poster misspelled "Mormon."

He intended to, but stopped after his running mate was ass-ass-inated.

why does that sound so wrong?

Romney is an idiot, another reason to vote for Ron Paul! (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/)

paul got the colbert bump

lol

He intended to, but stopped after his running mate was ass-ass-inated.

ahhhhh

well he got pretty far in the process then if he had chosen a running mate.

its not like he had a chance of winning.

Generally speaking, people who think that all black people are criminals don't get elected these days.

Didn't he say something abut Indian people too?

lol

sorry, you cant avoid the stain when the man has been elected governor.
Bah! *goes out to beat the crap out of every shallow, self-centered, short-sighted tax-phobe in Massachusetts in revenge for my ruined reputation*

Wtf!?! They are all terrorists so they don't deserve legal representation or rights! Talk about guilty until proven innocent, I mean what's stopping the Bush administration from pulling anyone off the street, declaring them an 'illegal combatant' and throwing them in Gitmo never to see the light of day again?

Wtf!?! They are all terrorists so they don't deserve legal representation or rights! Talk about guilty until proven innocent, I mean what's stopping the Bush administration from pulling anyone off the street, declaring them an 'illegal combatant' and throwing them in Gitmo never to see the light of day again?

Nothing, except one very recent Supreme Court ruling.

Wtf!?! They are all terrorists so they don't deserve legal representation or rights! Talk about guilty until proven innocent, I mean what's stopping the Bush administration from pulling anyone off the street, declaring them an 'illegal combatant' and throwing them in Gitmo never to see the light of day again?

The Daily Show, with John Stewart.

Wtf!?! They are all terrorists so they don't deserve legal representation or rights! Talk about guilty until proven innocent, I mean what's stopping the Bush administration from pulling anyone off the street, declaring them an 'illegal combatant' and throwing them in Gitmo never to see the light of day again?

doesnt it make you wonder how he is planning to explain it all away after he gets the nomination?

its one thing to pander to the nutcases of the republican party, its another to find enough nutcases in the general public to get you into the white house.

its one thing to pander to the nutcases of the republican party, its another to find enough nutcases in the general public to get you into the white house.

He might be able to find enough idiots though. Given that half the country voted for Bush a second time I bet people would allow themselves to suffer from collective amnesia in regard to pesky anti civil rights statements if they think Romney will somehow keep them "safe".

Ain't gonna be no GOP prez anyway, so what's it matter?

People said that we wouldn't elect another republican this century after Nixon. Southern hicks, religious wackos, gun nuts, and other core republican voters have shown a stunning capacity to fail to learn. I think they probably deserve a darwin award for their arguably suicidal voting habits.

He might be able to find enough idiots though. Given that half the country voted for Bush a second time I bet people would allow themselves to suffer from collective amnesia in regard to pesky anti civil rights statements if they think Romney will somehow keep them "safe".

i know what you mean but the koolaid is wearing off. its getting harder to keep people afraid enough to elect an idiot. that is one reason why the republicans lost the congress. both bush and rove recommended that the candidates run on fear and it just didnt work.

Actually, it tends to go in cycles. First Republicans are in charge, then everybody remembers how stupid they are, then Democrats are in charge, then everyone starts noticing how stupid they are so they bring back the Republicans, who quickly humiliate themselves over and over, so the Democrats start looking good again...

Over and over.

It's how we beat the Soviets.

Actually, it tends to go in cycles. First Republicans are in charge, then everybody remembers how stupid they are, then Democrats are in charge, then everyone starts noticing how stupid they are so they bring back the Republicans, who quickly humiliate themselves over and over, so the Democrats start looking good again...

Over and over.

It's how we beat the Soviets.

its the slow screw.

they take turns sticking it to us and hope that we wont notice that its the same act with different dicks.

its the slow screw.

they take turns sticking it to us and hope that we wont notice that its the same act with different dicks.

I would have gone with the boiled frog , but that works just as well if not better :D

i know what you mean but the koolaid is wearing off. its getting harder to keep people afraid enough to elect an idiot. that is one reason why the republicans lost the congress. both bush and rove recommended that the candidates run on fear and it just didnt work.

I really would like to agree but I have gotten real pessimistic about the intelligence of the citizens of this country. I would like to think that a spark might show in a few brains and stick but I just can't believe somehow it will actually happen. The midterm elections unfortunately got a bunch of more conservative Dems in which doesn't help too well in dealing with our Fearless Leader and his whims. Otherwise our Congress would never allow this administration to get away with all the crap it says and does.

Of course I just remembered that thread Zarakon just made so I guess a little life can be found in our legislature. :)

I just can't believe that candidates who say this kind of bullshit still get support. Makes me wonder if people really care about freedom at all as long as the supermarket is stocked and their SUVs have gas.

Don't forget as long as the administration can keep saying, "we've thwarted countless terrorist attacks that you the public don't know about!"

I'm still waiting for the press to say, "care to tell us about them?"

Romney is NOT from Massachusetts. He's from Michigan via a long stint in Utah, where he was in charge of getting the Olympics into Salt Lake City, a deal so crooked, the IOC was investigated for bribery in connection with it - an investigation that went nowhere - shades of things to come?

Romney attended Harvard, but then he disappeared from Massachusetts and did not come back until he breezed into Boston out of the blue to run for governor, which he won on the backs of the Mass upper crust and rightwingers (bolstered by out of state anti-gay-marriage religious activists) because he promised to lower taxes. The buyers' remorse on that election kicked in almost immediately afterward.

I'm still trying to figure out how he met the residency requirements to run, having basically not lived here. Pisses me off.

For the record, I have no buyers remorse since I didn't buy him, I voted for O'Brien (first election I was old enough to vote in, far as I can recall). I got to spend the next four years pointing at all of the people with buyers remorse shouting "I TOLD YOU SO YOU DUMB %@&s!!!"

I just want to get that point clear because, while I'll always be a New Yorker, I live in Mass now, and I don't want that lying scumbag associated with any place that I've ever lived.

Yankees fan! GET HIM!!!! :p

Bah! *goes out to beat the crap out of every shallow, self-centered, short-sighted tax-phobe in Massachusetts in revenge for my ruined reputation*

I feel your pain.

Romney is NOT from Massachusetts. He's from Michigan

Sweet Zombie Jesus, don't tie that bastard to us. Just because his douchebag father was Governor here doesn't mean he's one of us. Of course, that could mean that we could pawn Granholm off on the Canadians and blame them for her (blaming Canada is a popular sport in Michigan), so I'll rethink my position on this.

Don't forget as long as the administration can keep saying, "we've thwarted countless terrorist attacks that you the public don't know about!"

I'm still waiting for the press to say, "care to tell us about them?"

havent you been paying attention?

there was the one where a bunch of morons were going to blow up the sears tower

there was the one where a bunch of morons were going to blow up a pipeline leading the JFK airport (it would be like killing jfk all over again)

there was the one where a bunch of morons were going to go shoot up fort dix.

sure none of them were even smart enough to be able to contact foreign terrorist groups for support but they were stopped!

havent you been paying attention?

there was the one where a bunch of morons were going to blow up the sears tower

there was the one where a bunch of morons were going to blow up a pipeline leading the JFK airport (it would be like killing jfk all over again)

there was the one where a bunch of morons were going to go shoot up fort dix.

sure none of them were even smart enough to be able to contact foreign terrorist groups for support but they were stopped!

:D

Wasn't the Sears Tower one where they were going to blow it up with a machine gun, which of course wouldn't blow it up at all? Also, didn't they not even end up having any ability or likely ever get an ability to own a machine gun?

:D

Wasn't the Sears Tower one where they were going to blow it up with a machine gun, which of course wouldn't blow it up at all? Also, didn't they not even end up having any ability or likely ever get an ability to own a machine gun?

im not sure they got past the "drunk guy talking smack at the bar" stage of planning but yeah, something like that.

and the rest of them were equally well planned.

i would like to believe that they only tell us about the stupid ones they foil but honestly, ive fallen for that trick in the past, im not falling for it again.

Yes, Let the retarded mormon bashing begin!

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Who really gives a fuck what religion someone is?

Is that a serious question? I'm guessing that with the word "fuck" in it, it's not.

Generally speaking, people who think that all black people are criminals don't get elected these days.

Didn't he say something abut Indian people too?

Please back these up with something, beside that 'ghost writer' incident, I don't really recall Ron Paul ever being a racist, unlike the other candidates on both side of the isles, Ron Paul has been very consistent in his political, social, and economic views. Also concerning the 'ghost writer' incident, he took full responsibility for it, and because of that, he has more balls than any other candidate that's running for the Presidency in '08. Ron Paul is the kind of guy I want to be President.

People said that we wouldn't elect another republican this century after Nixon. Southern hicks, religious wackos, gun nuts, and other core republican voters have shown a stunning capacity to fail to learn. I think they probably deserve a darwin award for their arguably suicidal voting habits.

Don't hurt yourself falling off that horse there.

Ron Paul is the kind of guy I want to be President.

I think your signature might just have clued us in to that.

Uhm, is it any surprise to anyone that a politician would say something stupid? We in the US have the lovely opportunity to pick between 2 major groups of idiots, Dems and GOP. There is a constant cycle of each one being a little bit less repulsive than the other one year, and the other way around the next. It is quite sad. I don't know if this problem is localized to the US. Are politicians universally stupid and/or dishonest and/or incompetent?

There are rather few decent politicians here, but the ones who seem to "get it" are, in my opinion, generally the more conservative Democrats and the more libertarian Republicans, that is, the common-sense people who, while they may disagree around 40% of the time, are at least remotely civilized and willing to apply their brains to the situation. I consider myself a conservative with libertarian tendencies, but I am certainly not a Republican (or Democrat). I am against the Iraq war, the "Patriot Act", death penalty, abortion, big government, to name a few as opposed to going on and on, and so here is seen a mixture of political and moral ideals. I hope that most people hold similar mixed views, but I might be overly optimistic; so many people are stupid, most of the rest are apathetic, and some actually care and pay attention. Unfortunately, the stupid and apathetic majority ignore everything and are easily swayed by whatever whim, be it lower taxes, better paying jobs, safer nation, cheaper goods, or whatever other things are never delivered. Additionally, it seems the people never learn that these things are just empty promises never fulfilled, and if they are fulfilled it comes with large tradeoffs; "Patriot Act" allegedly makes us safer, but takes away rights, for example. I seem to have strayed from my initial proposition...

Ron Paul will never win because he isn't a corrupt loser. In order to be a successful politician, it seems to be that case that you have to be a pretty bad person and a total moron. Ron Paul seems both intelligent and ethical.

But, in general, as far as politicians go, I don't find Romney quite as repulsive as the others. He would be better than Bush for sure. He might have just enough normal person in him to do a decent job. Of course, I've given up expecting much in the way of great things.

i thought romney was a town over in england. on the very narrow gauge romney, hythe and dimechurch light railway.

=^^=
.../\...

It is really depressing to see a candidate running for the highest office in this country saying that certain people are undeserving to have rights. But then using the Bill of Rights as toilet paper is nothing new for the Republicans.



And Democrats.

Sweep-searches in HUD appartments, the draft, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Harry/Theresa Lamplugh, anyone?

Remember: Republicans are the party of the Patriot Act, Democrats are the party of burning children alive, Libertarians are the party of weed and sex.

And Democrats.

Sweep-searches in HUD appartments, the draft, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Harry/Theresa Lamplugh, anyone?

The idiocy of the ATF equates to Democratic policy? Hardly the same thing as the president and his lackeys authorizing Guantanamo Bay and the policies surrounding it.

It is really depressing to see a candidate running for the highest office in this country saying that certain people are undeserving to have rights. But then using the Bill of Rights as toilet paper is nothing new for the Republicans.

Luckily it seems this ass doesn't have a prayer to get the GOP nod so we just have to deal with his crap temporarily.

Well while this may be partly true, these rights only apply to US citizens.

Romney is an idiot, another reason to vote for Ron Paul! (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/)

Not one Republican candidate believes in evolution. That shows that down to the last man they are all either in the pocket of the radical religious right, or they are morons. Better off not voting than voting for a Republican.

I hope Mitt Romney gets the GOP nomination. :)

I hope that somebody equally unpalatable gets the Democratic nomination. :)

:)

Well while this may be partly true, these rights only apply to US citizens.

Bullshit.

Please back these up with something, beside that 'ghost writer' incident, I don't really recall Ron Paul ever being a racist, unlike the other candidates on both side of the isles, Ron Paul has been very consistent in his political, social, and economic views. Also concerning the 'ghost writer' incident, he took full responsibility for it, and because of that, he has more balls than any other candidate that's running for the Presidency in '08. Ron Paul is the kind of guy I want to be President.

Any evidence we give you you reject. Seriously, it's like you think he's the fucking Messiah.

Not one Republican candidate believes in evolution. That shows that down to the last man they are all either in the pocket of the radical religious right, or they are morons. Better off not voting than voting for a Republican.

nonono

during one of the debates when it was asked who believed in evolution ( or who didnt believe, i cant quite remember) somewhere around HALF were creationists who rejected evolution.

the unanimous thing was gays in the military. when asked who supported allowing gays to serve openly in the military, no one raised his hand.

The idiocy of the ATF equates to Democratic policy? Hardly the same thing as the president and his lackeys authorizing Guantanamo Bay and the policies surrounding it.

Not to mention that every reliable source I have read says that it has not been proven that the fire was the ATF's fault. Little issues like the fire starting well inside where the ATF fired the CS.

Well while this may be partly true, these rights only apply to US citizens.

The Supreme Court has been disputing that, and there are rights that apply to non-citizens that come from international treaties we have signed and ratified (such as the UN Convention Against Torture, the Geneva Convention, etc).

Not one Republican candidate believes in evolution. That shows that down to the last man they are all either in the pocket of the radical religious right, or they are morons. Better off not voting than voting for a Republican.

Not one, you say? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E) Just where are you getting that?

I'm still trying to figure out how he met the residency requirements to run, having basically not lived here. Pisses me off.

For the record, I have no buyers remorse since I didn't buy him, I voted for O'Brien (first election I was old enough to vote in, far as I can recall). I got to spend the next four years pointing at all of the people with buyers remorse shouting "I TOLD YOU SO YOU DUMB %@&s!!!"

I didn't vote for him either. Can't remember who I did vote for. Some forgettable Massachusetts crook. I wish my candidate had won.


Yankees fan! GET HIM!!!! :p
Ahem. Baseball is a stupid boring game for dull slobs who have no lives. GO PATS!


I feel your pain.
Thanks. :D

nonono

during one of the debates when it was asked who believed in evolution ( or who didnt believe, i cant quite remember) somewhere around HALF were creationists who rejected evolution.

the unanimous thing was gays in the military. when asked who supported allowing gays to serve openly in the military, no one raised his hand.

It was only 3 who said they didn't believe in evolution--Brownback, Huckabee, and one of the other faceless wonders. Can't remember who the third was.

Sweet Zombie Jesus, don't tie that bastard to us. Just because his douchebag father was Governor here doesn't mean he's one of us. Of course, that could mean that we could pawn Granholm off on the Canadians and blame them for her (blaming Canada is a popular sport in Michigan), so I'll rethink my position on this.

The only reason Romney can claim to be from Michigan is because that's where the mother ship dropped him off (I think). Apparently the brain-chomping space-sharks didn't want him either (I think).

It was only 3 who said they didn't believe in evolution--Brownback, Huckabee, and one of the other faceless wonders. Can't remember who the third was.
So, out of the whole crew of militaristic bigots, only 3 are known to be psychotic as well. Good to know.

It was only 3 who said they didn't believe in evolution--Brownback, Huckabee, and one of the other faceless wonders. Can't remember who the third was.

i guess it expanded in my mind over time. if asked i would have said 5.

Well, now I know I can never vote for Romney. Not that he was a serious candidate in my mind anyway.

I hope Mitt Romney gets the GOP nomination. :)

I hope that somebody equally unpalatable gets the Democratic nomination. :)

:)

Dammit LG, why do you hate America? :(

I hope Mitt Romney gets the GOP nomination. :)

I hope that somebody equally unpalatable gets the Democratic nomination. :)

:)

Lyndon Larouche?

Lyndon Larouche?

is he still alive?

is he still alive?

I have no idea--but he's about the only guy who's on the Romney level who calls himself a Democrat that I could think of. :D

Lyndon Larouche?

Isn't Fred Phelps a Democrat? ;)

Isn't Fred Phelps a Democrat? ;)

This is why I don't join groups, parties, clubs, or any of that kind of thing.

Dammit LG, why do you hate America? :(

Actually I love America. Having two turds stinky enough to make the AMerican Public take a third party candidate seriously is just what the country needs most. *nod*

Isn't Fred Phelps a Democrat? ;)

Only in the minds of some. I think Phelps is so odious that even the most rabid partisans don't stoop to calling him a member of the other party. I mean, I'll stinkpalm a Republican, but I won't try to foist Phelps off on him--that just ain't right.

Isn't Fred Phelps a Democrat? ;)

*shudder*

yes but

HE'S NOT RUNNING

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Only in the minds of some. I think Phelps is so odious that even the most rabid partisans don't stoop to calling him a member of the other party. I mean, I'll stinkpalm a Republican, but I won't try to foist Phelps off on him--that just ain't right.

Sorry. :(

You know, I kicked this idea around a while ago, but I think that it is important that I do so again.

Would you like candidate that doesn't try to secretly manipulate the constitutional powers of the presidency? Would you like a candidate that actually speaks th truth? Would you like a candidate that will stop wasteful taxation and useless spending that lines the pockets of only a few people? Would you like a candidate that can fix the American education system and the American health care industry.

Look no Further.

VOTE FOR ZOD!!! (http://www.zod2008.com/)

Actually I love America. Having two turds stinky enough to make the AMerican Public take a third party candidate seriously is just what the country needs most. *nod*

Haven't we tried this before? Doesn't it just end in the whole "lesser of two evils" thing because the public gets convinced that one guy or the other is a threat to America and our way of life?

Actually, it tends to go in cycles. First Republicans are in charge, then everybody remembers how stupid they are, then Democrats are in charge, then everyone starts noticing how stupid they are so they bring back the Republicans, who quickly humiliate themselves over and over, so the Democrats start looking good again...

Over and over.

It's how we beat the Soviets.

Exactly, seeing as how all politicians are generally not good.

Ahem. Baseball is a stupid boring game for dull slobs who have no lives. GO PATS!

We'll let you live, this time.

They are probably all terrorists, they just can't prove it; that's why they get released.

At worst they are all potential terrorists. Either way, whats likely happening is: once they are released and go back they become terrorists if they weren't already...

Guantanamo is also much better than the alternative, which is having the prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we have all seen how that works out (Mazar-i-Sharif, Abu-Ghraib ).

If they close Guantanamo that's probably what's going to happen, they wont be absorbed into the US legal/prison system.

It was only 3 who said they didn't believe in evolution--Brownback, Huckabee, and one of the other faceless wonders. Can't remember who the third was.

Tom Tancredo, that KKK southern supremacist loon.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The Republican strategy is to ride on the fact that the Democrats all jumped early, and therefore the R's put out the greatest collection of 12 lunatics since the Disciples. This will achieve 2 things:

1. The slightly lesser loony Republican candidate who comes out sometime next March will look like the embodiment of rationality both to the R base as well as to any moderate.
2. Obama, Clinton and Edwards will be dragged down into debating mud with these people by having to discuss such issues as whether Mexicans are taking all the jobs or whether liberal tax-sucking policies might let the terrorists win.

Add to this that Ob, Cl and Ed will destroy each other by fighting for the same ground and the presidency will be wide open for any moderate Republican.

Call me Cassandra.

If I was Hillary who, despite my horror at seeing America elect Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton as if they wanted to really explode the myth that America is a classless society, I kind of prefer, I'd say 'You know what, I'm bowing out til sometime next July, see ya suckers!'.

On that note - see ya suckers!

Haven't we tried this before? Doesn't it just end in the whole "lesser of two evils" thing because the public gets convinced that one guy or the other is a threat to America and our way of life?

Kang vs. Konos? :eek: