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Would you own slaves?

For the more critical-minded, this assumes legalization.

And the follow-up: which system of slavery would you prefer (ie, Roman, antebellum South [United States], Central American, tribal African, Indian, Russian serfdom, etc.)?

I would. I am partial to the Roman system, but primarily for the gladiatorial combats. Sans said entertainment value the Greeks, specifically Spartan ideas of slavery.

You disgust me, as does anyone else who supports any form of slavery except the kinky willing kind.

Maybe if it was 200 years ago. These days, slaves just aren't the in thing anymore!

Robot slaves or nothing.

Pleasure droids! Quit the weapons research and give us pleasure droids!

:p

You disgust me, as does anyone else who supports any form of slavery except the kinky willing kind.

There is a qualifier...would. I don't support it. If it were instituted, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm not advocating a revolution, just acknowledging a natural inclination in the human race since the dawn of time.

I would endorse a form of slavery, yes; namely, one wherein all those imprisoned for life, sentensed to death, or with an IQ below 100, are put to good use by the state.

Robot slaves or nothing.

No. This is a very strange question, how many people are really pro-slavery anymore?

That being said, I am partial to the encomienda system.:)

I would endorse a form of slavery, yes; namely, one wherein all those imprisoned for life, sentensed to death, or with an IQ below 100, are put to good use by the state.
A system where the criminal and mentally deficient are employed by the government? I don't think you have to worry about that.

I think the OP is trying to have us put ourselves in the shoes of slave owners of the past...

Slave? No. Maybe an indentured servant in the most traditional sense (about the same as an apprentice)

I think the OP is trying to have us put ourselves in the shoes of slave owners of the past...

...or of the future, using the examples of the past as the bedrock of the hypothetical.

No. This is a very strange question, how many people are really pro-slavery anymore?


I think we'll find out soon enough. :)

Would you own slaves?

For the more critical-minded, this assumes legalization.

And the follow-up: which system of slavery would you prefer (ie, Roman, antebellum South [United States], Central American, tribal African, Indian, Russian serfdom, etc.)?

I would. I am partial to the Roman system, but primarily for the gladiatorial combats. Sans said entertainment value the Greeks, specifically Spartan ideas of slavery.

wut?! no fucking way, slavery is disgusting. it's illegality has nothing to with it.

or with an IQ below 100, are put to good use by the state.

Enjoy slavery.

A system where the criminal and mentally deficient are employed by the government? I don't think you have to worry about that.

they are the government.

You disgust me, as does anyone else who supports any form of slavery except the kinky willing kind.

Ditto.

Would you own slaves?


I would. I am partial to the Roman system, but primarily for the gladiatorial combats. Sans said entertainment value the Greeks, specifically Spartan ideas of slavery.
A better question would be...what kind of slavery would YOU wish to be subjected to.

I would endorse a form of slavery, yes; namely, one wherein all those imprisoned for life, sentensed to death, or with an IQ below 100, are put to good use by the state.
100 is not a particularly low IQ.

Enjoy slavery.

I hate you for stealing what was going to be my joke.

A better question would be...what kind of slavery would YOU wish to be subjected to.

Why? Who wants to be subjected to slavery? The whole idea behind is its involuntary nature.

I would be completely against it...

I would only have sex slaves. Oh yes, I am very kinky! :D

I think that only counts as kinky if they're consenting.

Though it might sound to someone "close-minded" im against slavery in modern world. It was understandable in the Roman era, middle ages and for some parts even the beginning of colonization. In civilized countries we dont need slavery anymore. There are hardly any work around, wich would require tremendous ammount of labor (with machines and all). And even if we needed slaves to do the little manual labour we have they still needed to be educated taking lots and lots of resources from other important expenditures (like health care).
Putting all that aside there is still the humane aspect. How can you even think of slavering other human beings. There is no way you can define other man to be lower than you. Even if he is a serial killer he still has the basic rights as a human and we should support them.
Of course there still is such thing as slavery in the "civilized" countries, but it's just bit more subtle. Some are tied to their jobs with lousu pay and no hope of getting out because of poor education. And other countries (not saying any names) forcing their ways to others through war wich they call liberation and freedom to steal from the oppresseds.

In summary i would say that though slavery continues to prosper in the world it is not every mans responsibility as a thinking and feeling human being to fight against slavery in all its forms and no matter what other people say it is truly revolting see people in modern day think otherwise.

A better question would be...what kind of slavery would YOU wish to be subjected to.

Is there a kind which could result in constant euphoria for me?

No. I don't care if it is legal, owning another human being is still fucked up.

I would only have sex slaves. Oh yes, I am very kinky! :D

Why? Who wants to be subjected to slavery? The whole idea behind is its involuntary nature.

It's still an important question. Because those willing to OWN slaves seem to believe that somehow, were slavery legalised, they would be the owners, and not the owned. So they support it. I'd like them to consider the distinct possibility that THEY would be the ones enslaved. Are they still so thrilled with the idea?

I can't believe I actually spelled that out for you.

Is there a kind which could result in constant euphoria for me?

Yes, consensual slavery within a BDSM context. I'm very supportive of this.

I would only have sex slaves. Oh yes, I am very kinky! :D

Is there a kind which could result in constant euphoria for me?

I think you two are going to get along swimmingly.

I think that only counts as kinky if they're consenting.

Excellent point.

It's just plain abusive otherwise.

Damn, some smart cookies here for a change.

It's still an important question. Because those willing to OWN slaves seem to believe that somehow, were slavery legalised, they would be the owners, and not the owned. So they support it. I'd like them to consider the distinct possibility that THEY would be the ones enslaved. Are they still so thrilled with the idea?

I can't believe I actually spelled that out for you.

The problem with trying to legalized slavery nowadays is that if someone tries to enslave me, I can pretty much shoot them and claim self defense. So I'd shoot anyone who would try to enslave me or anyone that I care about.

Excellent point.

It's just plain abusive otherwise.

Damn, some smart cookies here for a change.

Wow ego boost for me :D

The problem with trying to legalized slavery nowadays is that if someone tries to enslave me, I can pretty much shoot them and claim self defense.

Wouldn't that apply to any law anyone tried to enforce against you?

I think you two are going to get along swimmingly.

I said 'euphoria' not 'disgust' :p

Sorry Wilgrove

Yes, consensual slavery within a BDSM context. I'm very supportive of this.

Hear Hear (or is it Here Here?)

The problem with trying to legalized slavery nowadays is that if someone tries to enslave me, I can pretty much shoot them and claim self defense. So I'd shoot anyone who would try to enslave me or anyone that I care about.

What the fuck are you talking about.

You think no one fought back in the grand old days of slavery?

I mean...seriously now.

The problem with trying to legalized slavery nowadays is that if someone tries to enslave me, I can pretty much shoot them and claim self defense. So I'd shoot anyone who would try to enslave me or anyone that I care about.

No...if slvery is legalized, you are property and it is illegal to kill your master. Slavery=no rights.

Your master, on the other hand, can kill you just because he feels like it.

Hear Hear (or is it Here Here?)

Yes, this is often confusing to people. It is, however, 'hear hear' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_hear).

What the fuck are you talking about.

You think no one fought back in the grand old days of slavery?

I mean...seriously now.

I'm sure they did fight back, after they realized what was going on. I doubt the slave owners who went to Africa asked the guys over there to be enslaved, they were captured, sold, or dragged over here.

Nowadays if Congress pass such a legislation then everyone would know ahead of time what was going on and well yea.

It's still an important question. Because those willing to OWN slaves seem to believe that somehow, were slavery legalised, they would be the owners, and not the owned. So they support it. I'd like them to consider the distinct possibility that THEY would be the ones enslaved. Are they still so thrilled with the idea?

I can't believe I actually spelled that out for you.

This is the purpose of a hypothetical, yes. I don't think there is an assumption per se of being the owners; it's implicit in the question. Would you own slaves? You are fighting the hypothetical.

The problem with trying to legalized slavery nowadays is that if someone tries to enslave me, I can pretty much shoot them and claim self defense. So I'd shoot anyone who would try to enslave me or anyone that I care about.

I think you're missing two fairly central points in that
a) It wouldn't be one person enslaving you, it would be a group. Probably with guns of their own.
b) They would have every legal right to enslave you, so your claim of self defence would be pointless

You think no one fought back in the grand old days of slavery?

Unfortunately, the victories were few and far between.

The problem of inequity in means of violence would undoubtedly only be magnified in these days of high-tech weaponry.

Yes, this is often confusing to people. It is, however, 'hear hear' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_hear).

Does 'Pehtam Pehtam' work then?

I'd like to have one of these as my slave:

http://gioco.net/starwars/ultimosettore/images/species/wookie.png

I'm sure they did fight back, after they realized what was going on. I doubt the slave owners who went to Africa asked the guys over there to be enslaved, they were captured, sold, or dragged over here.

Nowadays if Congress pass such a legislation then everyone would know ahead of time what was going on and well yea.

You think they're going to ask you if you would like to be a slave? 100...fuck, even 10 people show up at your door and lock you up. What're you gonna do about it?

I'd like to have one of these as my slave:

http://gioco.net/starwars/ultimosettore/images/species/wookie.png

He would just kill you and run away. Anyways, don't you realize that you need Wookies! Comon, Wookies were the one that defeated the empire.

This is the purpose of a hypothetical, yes. I don't think there is an assumption per se of being the owners; it's implicit in the question. Would you own slaves? You are fighting the hypothetical.

Yes, I am. And? It's not that much of a stretch, now is it.

You think they're going to ask you if you would like to be a slave? 100...fuck, even 10 people show up at your door and lock you up. What're you gonna do about it?

1. We have 24 hours news channel, so I'm pretty sure I'll get the news that slavery has been reinstated before the guys come.

1. We have 24 hours news channel, so I'm pretty sure I'll get the news that slavery has been reinstated before the guys come.

And?

If a big group comes to your door, armed, and with the option of calling in the police if needs be (as you would be breaking the law by resisting), it really wouldn't matter how much notice you had. The only way you wouldn't be enslaved would be if you died in the struggle.

1. We have 24 hours news channel, so I'm pretty sure I'll get the news that slavery has been reinstated before the guys come.

And what are you going to do? Run into the woods and hide? Flee the country? How? You are property, presumably easily identified in this day and age. How do you plan to get to a boarder? Then how do you plan on crossing it? All without getting caught.

They tried that before the Civil War. Sure, some got free...but not many.

1. We have 24 hours news channel, so I'm pretty sure I'll get the news that slavery has been reinstated before the guys come.

You still don't get it. Say all the people in your neighbourhood have been declared slaves. You don't get to shoot the people coming to get you and claim self defence. You lose your rights. All of them.

Instead, you shoot the guys coming to get you, and are probably subjected to unspeakable torture in order to teach the other slaves a lesson. Sorry...no matter how you work the scenario, the chances of you shooting it out in a brave fight and winning free, are pretty damn low.

I'd say no! The idea of being in charge of an adult male (or vice-versa) is repugnant to me. I wouldn't mind being in charge of an adult female (or vice-versa), but really, anything other than the consensual BDSM "slavery" would get old very quickly.

Why the double standard?

I'd say no! The idea of being in charge of an adult male (or vice-versa) is repugnant to me. I wouldn't mind being in charge of an adult female (or vice-versa), but really, anything other than the consensual BDSM "slavery" would get old very quickly.

Man, double standards are fun.

1. We have 24 hours news channel, so I'm pretty sure I'll get the news that slavery has been reinstated before the guys come.

Generally when slavery comes along a specific group are classified as free game to slavers (from my limited knowledge) so what makes you think anyone would sell you weapons after that?

Why the double standard?

Because deep down, every man believes that a woman's place is as his slave.:rolleyes:

I'd say no! The idea of being in charge of an adult male (or vice-versa) is repugnant to me. I wouldn't mind being in charge of an adult female (or vice-versa), but really, anything other than the consensual BDSM "slavery" would get old very quickly.

Why the double standard?

Presumably being in charge of an adult male would risk offending his heterosexual sensibilities.

Presumably being in charge of an adult male would risk offending his heterosexual sensibilities.

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

I loves me some Nadkor!

Pleasure droids! Quit the weapons research and give us pleasure droids!

:p
Exactly. If we had affordable pleasure droids all the worlds problems would disappear.
100 is not a particularly low IQ.



I hate you for stealing what was going to be my joke.
:fluffle:

Exactly. If we had affordable pleasure droids all the worlds problems would disappear.

Well, not really. But people will stop caring about them. Well, they'll care even less than they did before.

More accurately, most of the whole purpose of having a slave would be lost with a male (though I suppose I could put him to work).

Putting him to work is the whole point of a slave. They're there to do the work you can't be arsed with.

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

I loves me some Nadkor!

:)

Presumably being in charge of an adult male would risk offending his heterosexual sensibilities.

More accurately, most of the whole purpose of having a slave would be lost with a male (though I suppose I could put him to work).

More accurately, most of the whole purpose of having a slave would be lost with a male (though I suppose I could put him to work).

Your whole point for slavery is rape?

Real nice :rolleyes:

Because deep down, every man believes that a woman's place is as his slave.:rolleyes:

Well, what's wrong with that? :D

Work is part of the point. Having fun is the other part.

You realise 'having fun' = rape?

Well, what's wrong with that? :D

I can see you'll be popular around here.

Work is part of the point. Having fun is the other part.

Ah, so you would rape your female slaves?

Delightful.

Putting him to work is the whole point of a slave. They're there to do the work you can't be arsed with.

Work is part of the point. Having fun is the other part.

More accurately, most of the whole purpose of having a slave would be lost with a male (though I suppose I could put him to work).

Huh? The majority of slaves that have been kept throughout history were there JUST to work. What the heck did YOU think they were enslaved for?

Well, what's wrong with that? :D

Read the testicle ripping thread. If you see nothing wrong with that, then continue.

Work is part of the point. Having fun is the other part.

Way to revise history.

Sexual slaves were in the minority. And even they were put to work in between rapings.

I can see you'll be popular around here.

Where's Bottle? She tears new arseholes much better than I.

Where's Bottle? She tears new arseholes much better than I.

I've been doing the 'Bottle Dance' to see if I could conjure her up but to no avail

*sigh* Just for the record, my tongue is mostly in my cheek here. Naturally, as a typical male, I have rather predictable ideas. That doesn't mean I'd actually abuse my female slaves (if I had any).

Also, this time-warping is a major PITA!

Hey don't lump me in with you

*sigh* Just for the record, my tongue is mostly in my cheek here. Naturally, as a typical male, I have rather predictable ideas. That doesn't mean I'd actually abuse my female slaves (if I had any).

Also, this time-warping is a major PITA!

Way to demean your gender.

*sigh* Just for the record, my tongue is mostly in my cheek here. Naturally, as a typical male, I have rather predictable ideas. That doesn't mean I'd actually abuse my female slaves (if I had any).

Also, this time-warping is a major PITA!

The phrase 'naturally, as a typical male' is going to get you into trouble around here.

And yeah. The warping has gotten really terrible.

Mexicans are cheaper. And you don't have to feed them.

*sigh* Just for the record, my tongue is mostly in my cheek here. Naturally, as a typical male, I have rather predictable ideas. That doesn't mean I'd actually abuse my female slaves (if I had any).

Also, this time-warping is a major PITA!

A system where the criminal and mentally deficient are employed by the government? I don't think you have to worry about that.

Heh, it's funny because it's true.

Suppose if you were to inherit land and slaves from somebody, but without the slaves being put to work you wouldn't earn enough to make a living and would be put to slavery yourself.

Would you still choose not to be an owner of slaves, even if it was a you or them situation?

Robot slaves or nothing.

Seconded...screw those stupid tin cans

Ah, so you would rape your female slaves?

Delightful.No... he'd just be exercising his droit de seigneur. Hey, it can't be rape if it's in french, can it.

...Unless of course it's rave, navette, viol or violer... in which case it is rape AND in french. Damn.

Anyone that supports the US minimum wage rate would have to say yes they would own slaves. Actually the minimum wage is less than the owner of a slave would put forward to protect his assets. A slave owner would make sure the slave had at least minimum of food, clothing, shelter, and medicine. I treat my cows better than a person paying minimum wage treats his employees. That's because my cows are an asset like a slave.

We are all slaves to Wal-Mart/oil companies already, you just don't notice it

Seconded...screw those stupid tin cans

When the revolution comes, you'll be carrying my sedan chair. Of course, if you work hard, I'll promote you to DVD repair...or maybe even masseuse. :p

*sigh* Just for the record, my tongue is mostly in my cheek here. Naturally, as a typical male, I have rather predictable ideas. That doesn't mean I'd actually abuse my female slaves (if I had any).


Speak for yourself, matey-potatey...

Depends on the sort of slavery we're talking about here.

If you mean the sort of slavery where the enslaved have no say in it, and where the rules and regulations of slavery are extremely lax, then no.

If you mean consensual slavery in which the enslaved are willing participants, and in which there exists oversights, laws, regulations and rules regarding the treatment of said slaves, then yes, I would agree with that system.

(And for the record, in the above situation, I would most likely be the enslaved rather than the slaver.)

I would own a slave in the same way I own a pet, just for the companionship really.

*sigh* Just for the record, my tongue is mostly in my cheek here. Naturally, as a typical male, I have rather predictable ideas. That doesn't mean I'd actually abuse my female slaves (if I had any).

Also, this time-warping is a major PITA!

typical male eh? you need to talk to some of you peers i think. or find some new ones, cuz those certainly aren't the kind of ideas i have, nor would i expect to predict them in any of my male friends.

No. I would never own slaves, regardless of their legal status.

A system where the criminal and mentally deficient are employed by the government? I don't think you have to worry about that.

Ahahahaha :D

I am against slavery in all forms. That said, I would more than happily partake in mild BDSM.

I would endorse a form of slavery, yes; namely, one wherein all those imprisoned for life, sentensed to death, or with an IQ below 100, are put to good use by the state.

Have an IQ below 100? Jesus. You know that having one below 100 doesn't automatically make you retarded, right?

Why? Who wants to be subjected to slavery? The whole idea behind is its involuntary nature.

Eh, it still happens today. To a lot more people than you think. They just call it indentured servitude i.e. loans with ridiculous interest rates.

Actually, slavery of the typical ball and chain also exists today. We see them in China, various third world states, and America. Not legally acceptable of course, but the law tends to be lacking in enforcement.

having slaves would SUCK!

i dont even like having PETS because you have to take care of their welfare at all times.

people would be much much worse. you would have to not only make sure they are adequately cared for, you would have to hire someone else to make sure they actually work.

and your slaves hate you. they only cooperate with you out of fear of what will happen to them if you dont. so you have to have them under constant threat. bummer.

your slaves will try to escape. like prisoners of war in the movies, they will be constantly planning how they will get away and stay away. one lax moment on your part and many many thousands of dollars of investments walk away never to be reclaimed.

or you have to hire some violent person to hunt them down, then you have to beat them senseless to teach them a lesson. then they work even less and lose half their value because they are proven troublemakers

then you have to worry that they will go over the edge and kill you in your sleep regardless of what will happen to them when they are found out. how can you sleep when you are surrounded by your potential murderers?

all in all, not worth the bother.

Slaves?

Well sir, on my plantation in Rhodesia I much prefer indentured serventry I dare say. *sips tea*

Would you own slaves?

For the more critical-minded, this assumes legalization.

And the follow-up: which system of slavery would you prefer (ie, Roman, antebellum South [United States], Central American, tribal African, Indian, Russian serfdom, etc.)?

I would. I am partial to the Roman system, but primarily for the gladiatorial combats. Sans said entertainment value the Greeks, specifically Spartan ideas of slavery.

Slavery is wrong.

Slavery is wrong.

Simple and correct! :cool:

Would you own slaves?

For the more critical-minded, this assumes legalization.

And the follow-up: which system of slavery would you prefer (ie, Roman, antebellum South [United States], Central American, tribal African, Indian, Russian serfdom, etc.)?

I would. I am partial to the Roman system, but primarily for the gladiatorial combats. Sans said entertainment value the Greeks, specifically Spartan ideas of slavery.

Aside from the fact that the idea of owning another human being is revolting?
It would be too much responsibility. You would have to look after their health, feed them, clothe them, house them (too much like having children, and at least the children grow up and, presumably, move out) - all of this until they die or you sell them. Looking after them until they die means that you support them long after they've outlived their usefulness. Selling them before that means taking a loss because you have to train another to take that one's place. It would be cheaper to hire someone, pay a salary, training and health insurance and let them take care of themselves. That's from a purely practical standpoint. From an emotional standpoint, it would be frightening to depend on someone who resents me because I control their lives. It would be debilitating spiritually because no one can morally survive having that much power over another person.

"You know the worst part about being a slave? They make you work but they don't pay you or let you go."

If I were God, I'd get a bunch of slaves to do everything; Norwegian lesbians who'd feed me grapes and know how to sing.

OP; I think slaves are yummy.

I wouldn't want to be a slave myself, so I don't think it is right to enslave others. There are other reasons why being either a slaveholder or a slave is not worthwhile, but it is a pointless exercise to explain them.

I'm not a fan of the android pleasure slave thing either; read Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? to find out why, or watch Blade Runner if you don't like to read books.

I guess the only reason I'd ever own a slave is to immediately set them free.

Although the kinky BDSM "slave" of the consentual variety would be wonderful to have or be.

I'm not a fan of the android pleasure slave thing either; read Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? to find out why, or watch Blade Runner if you don't like to read books.

Yeah, that's completely morally wrong.

I don't support slavery as it implies that the owner must then feed and shelter said slave. Much better to pay them minimum wage and let them figure out how to survive on their own. Much cheaper and makes them disposable in the long run.

Man, I could not stand to have a slave, mainly because I couldn't stand to spend so much time around one person. Maybe if they lived somewhere else and I only had to see them occasionally. Other than that, they're not allowed to come on to me, look at me while I'm writing or typing, be in the house when I'm not there or asleep, or do any cooking. Oh, and definitely no touching my notebook. It stays where I put it.
Other than that, I'd be okay. But I'd feel really sorry for them and probably pay them. And not make them do much work.

"You know the worst part about being a slave? They make you work but they don't pay you or let you go."

That's the *only* thing about being a slave. :p

Great show.

Also, I don't think I'd ever want a slave, legal or not.

That's the *only* thing about being a slave. :p

Great show.

Also, I don't think I'd ever want a slave, legal or not.
But they could do all the stuff for you that you need thumbs for.

But they could do all the stuff for you that you need thumbs for.

That made my day. Thankyou.