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On the lovely FOX news channel, there was a guest arguing that a condom commercial was sexist and had men everywhere outraged.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uk2Yi_f-zNk

And then we have this guy..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FZwcyu4uU8I

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I don't see it. How is it sexist? Offensive? What? http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif

People need to learn that things can be extremely stupid without actually being prejudiced.

People need to learn that things can be extremely stupid without actually being prejudiced.

While that's true, what happens when extremely stupid is just plain insulting?

Take Yes, Dear (the sitcom), for example. Yeah, it's just a stupid TV show, but a lot of folks find it really insulting to men.

But....but...men ARE pigs!

Well, that's what Gretchen always tells me after she puts on her leather boots.

http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif

Is he combing his invisible hair?

I kind of like how you reversed the option that crops up on some abortion thread polls, saying that men's opinions don't matter on the issue.

I think it paints men in a bad light.

Okay, good point.

Yeah...Now that I actually think about it, portraying men as pigs is pretty offensive.

Is he combing his invisible hair?
No, he's just twirling his finger around some strand of hair. :p

That being said... the second video is just stupid. The first made me laugh my ass off, especially when the guy they showed in the end might as well have been a pig. :) Mind you I have nothing against guys; only the sleazy type that pick up women in bars (and those women well... I have no respect for them).

Honestly though, how many women do you think would be protesting if it was full of trolls who turned into hot chicks after buying a female condom? A fucking shitload. I think this guy is just a little bitch.

I think it paints men in a bad light.

Okay, good point.

Yeah...Now that I actually think about it, portraying men as pigs is pretty offensive.

I found it humourous.

I think the term is "Meh".

Honestly though, how many women do you think would be protesting if it was full of trolls who turned into hot chicks after buying a female condom? A fucking shitload. I think this guy is just a little bitch.

They should be forced to run that ad as an apology.

So most men are pigs

Specifically, men without condoms.

Not men as such.

So most men are pigs, but if you use a condom you're a man. Seems circular to me.

I thought the point was that men without condoms are pigs, the "subtle" implication being that buying trojans will get you laid.

Well, unless you hang out with extremely kinky people.

I HAVE STOLEN THE PAGE!

They should be forced to run that ad as an apology.

But why?
Your not denying that men are pigs, are you? In comparison to women? I'm a dude, and I know you'd be flat out lying to yourself if you believed that.

Five bucks says that if this was reversed, we would have several women protesting.

Yea, it does put men in a bad light.

I thought the point was that men without condoms are pigs, the "subtle" implication being that buying trojans will get you laid.

Specifically, men without condoms.

Not men as such.

Yeah but it's circular logic.

Man=Pig

Pig+Condom=Man

Man=Pig


Oink.

I thought the point was that men without condoms are pigs, the "subtle" implication being that buying trojans will get you laid.

And that if you're getting it on with some chick in the bar, you're really lame. :)

Honestly, those two deserve each other. It's got cheap one-nighter written all over it.

Yeah but it's circular logic.

No, it isn't.

Man=Pig

Man - condom = Pig.

Pig+Condom=Man

Indeed, that follows.

Man=Pig

Man = pig + condom.

Makes perfect sense to me (logically, anyway.)

Where's the "I don't have an opinion but I like to vote" option!? :mad:

And that if you're getting it on with some chick in the bar, you're really lame. :)

Honestly, those two deserve each other. It's got cheap one-nighter written all over it.

Like that's a bad thing.

But why?
Your not denying that men are pigs, are you? In comparison to women? I'm a dude, and I know you'd be flat out lying to yourself if you believed that.

Yes, I am. Frankly, you're entitled to your own self-loathing, but in my opinion (Having many female and male friends) woman are not any better than men. In any way. At all. Period. Any belief otherwise is rather sexist.

While not sexist, this commercial nevertheless reeks of speciesism.

The condom advert contains a number of sexist notions. The image of men as pigs is as sexist as the image of HAWT GIRLZ only being in pubs so they can be available to provide pussy to whichever man buys the right prophylactic.

Meh. It cancels out.

The message isn't sexist, in and of itself, either. It's basically saying, "real men use condoms." Whether or not you agree with that, it's not particularly sexist.

Man looking for sex - condom = Pig.


Maybe they just wanted to hold hands ;)

Maybe they just wanted to hold hands ;)
Just hold hands? Then why didn't he just get latex gloves? :D

Honestly though, how many women do you think would be protesting if it was full of trolls who turned into hot chicks after buying a female condom? A fucking shitload. I think this guy is just a little bitch.
The guy in the commercial, the one who transformed from a pig, isn't particularly hot. He's just an average guy, not a hot stud. As a matter of fact, the woman he hits on is far more attractive, relatively speaking, than he is. (And I say this as a bisexual.)

Yes, I am. Frankly, you're entitled to your own self-loathing, but in my opinion (Having many female and male friends) woman are not any better than men. In any way. At all. Period. Any belief otherwise is rather sexist.

I never said I loathed being a pig. ;)
I think we might end up agreeing to disagree, but it's always been my understanding that the sluttiest of women are just about as much so as an average guy.

Maybe they just wanted to hold hands ;)

Well, everyone knows what that leads to.

Sure, they'll hold hands as he leads her to the bed. :)

I find it highly sexist to imply that every time i'm in a bar i'm looking for sex :p Sometimes i'm just looking for interesting conversations and fun people of course *nods*

The guy in the commercial, the one who transformed from a pig, isn't particularly hot. He's just an average guy, not a hot stud. As a matter of fact, the woman he hits on is far more attractive, relatively speaking, than he is. (And I say this as a bisexual.)

Wasn't really paying attention to the guy in the commercial personally.

If men are pigs, then women are emotional roller coasters who cannot think logically and are prude. If you're going to label an entire group as something, then you must do the same for the other.

*gets shields up*

I find it highly sexist to imply that every time i'm in a bar i'm looking for sex :p Sometimes i'm just looking for interesting conversations and fun people of course *nods*

Sure you are my dear, sure... :p (I love sarcasm) And I also changed the post upon realising what an asinine piece of shit I wrote, but either works.

The guy in the commercial, the one who transformed from a pig, isn't particularly hot. He's just an average guy, not a hot stud. As a matter of fact, the woman he hits on is far more attractive, relatively speaking, than he is. (And I say this as a bisexual.)

I've never been very good at judging male attractiveness :( I keep playing that game with my girlfriend to see if I can guess her tastes and I keep guessing the ugly guys

The guy in the commercial, the one who transformed from a pig, isn't particularly hot. He's just an average guy, not a hot stud. As a matter of fact, the woman he hits on is far more attractive, relatively speaking, than he is.

I noticed that too.

It's probably because the commercial is pretty obviously directed at a straight male audience.

The condom advert contains a number of sexist notions. The image of men as pigs is as sexist as the image of HAWT GIRLZ only being in pubs so they can be available to provide pussy to whichever man buys the right prophylactic.

Isn't men being pigs a bit more sexist then the other bit?

The condom advert contains a number of sexist notions. The image of men as pigs is as sexist as the image of HAWT GIRLZ only being in pubs so they can be available to provide pussy to whichever man buys the right prophylactic.

Meh. It cancels out.

The message isn't sexist, in and of itself, either. It's basically saying, "real men use condoms." Whether or not you agree with that, it's not particularly sexist.

Real men use their brand of condom.

Also, women are only interested in you when they can have sex with you.

Real men use their brand of condom.



Pffft Real men make their own

Pffft Real men make their own

Out of the entrails of former conquests!

With sheep skin!

There has to be a joke about the welsh in there somewhere

Pffft Real men make their own

With sheep skin!

There has to be a joke about the welsh in there somewhere

Back when Saturday Night Live was good the skit "Weekend Update" had this old guy on who talked about the good ol' days, and one of the jokes involved sheep skinned condoms. I'll see if I can find it on YouTube.

There has to be a joke about the welsh in there somewhere

With sheep skin!

Out of the entrails of former conquests!

Yup there it is

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FZwcyu4uU8I


The narrator in this video brings up a good point. If the commercial had called women something other then they are: cow, pigeon, chickenhead etc etc. You can bet your sweet ass there would have been an uproar.

The message i got from that advert are that men who hit on random women are pigs and women at pubs are only interested in talking to men they can have sex with.

Sexist both ways but probably slightly more towards men.

Extremely speciesist towards pigs however, which to be completely honest was the only bit of the advert that annoyed me or offended me in any way.

The narrator in this video brings up a good point. If the commercial had called women something other then they are: cow, pigeon, chickenhead etc etc. You can bet your sweet ass there would have been an uproar.

Other than like goddesses or something. Bet you that would've gone mostly untouched except by religious fundies.

He's not bad, a bit ordinary but nothing wrong with that. She's way out of his league though. I'm guessing the porcine competition makes him look better.

Isn't it somewhat sexist to view someone as out of a person's league based on looks alone? Doesn't that objectify both individuals?

The guy in the commercial, the one who transformed from a pig, isn't particularly hot. He's just an average guy, not a hot stud. As a matter of fact, the woman he hits on is far more attractive, relatively speaking, than he is. (And I say this as a bisexual.)

He's not bad, a bit ordinary but nothing wrong with that. She's way out of his league though. I'm guessing the porcine competition makes him look better.

Isn't it somewhat sexist to view someone as out of a person's league based on looks alone? Doesn't that objectify both individuals?

Yes, and I don't care.

TV has a habit of pairing really hot women or atleast attractive women with absolute dogs.

It's offensive.

It's got some of the strangest circular logic I've seen in a long time...

It's offensive.

To who? - You, women, men, everyone?

I, personally, do not find it offensive but I can see how those that want to identify themselves with men that don't use condoms could find it offensive. I can also see how pigs could find it offensive as it is based on a completely misguided stereotype of pigs. But other than that, in what way is it offensive?

It's offensive.

I found it more amusing than offensive.

Five bucks says that if this was reversed, we would have several women protesting.

Yea, it does put men in a bad light.

So are there not several men protesting now?

Hell I am sure there are several women protesting THIS one too

So are there not several men protesting now?

Hell I am sure there are several women protesting THIS one too

I think there would be more than several women protesting, I would assume it would be a sizable amount.

You know what I find most unsettling about this advert? Never mind the possible sexism, whoever it turns out it's directed at.

No, what bothers me most is the 'evolve' part. Are they suggesting that we evolved directly from pigs? Or perhaps that with prophylactic-based impetus the evolution of pigs could be diverted towards the status of modern man? What on earth kind of message is that to give impressionable young children?! It's hard enough for them to sort out anything as it is, even without the evil [left/right] (delete as preferred) wing media sending them conflicting messages!

Maybe it's a scheme by teh evilutionists, trying to corrupt kiddies into believing in those lies of Satan!

Or maybe it's the creationists trying to make a mockery of evolution with their phoney facts! Who knows what to believe?



Just so we're clear this post is complete lies. I'm really not bothered at all by this advert. What's all the fuss about? It's clearly intended in a sense of jest, and anyone uptight enough to not take it as such... well, sucks to be them. Enjoy life without a sense of humour.

I think there would be more than several women protesting, I would assume it would be a sizable amount.

Maybe ... but how many men would there be protesting a slight against women?

Its all great to wish to see more women protesting this ad but if the roals were reversed do you think there would be as many men taking up arms?

Hell with what I hear every time something like that comes up is a bunch of men bitching about "Feminazi's"


Let me get this strait Yes I think this was a dumb add and yes I think it is sexist but I dont think the response to it really is out of proportion as far as the sexes are concerned

You know what I find most unsettling about this advert? Never mind the possible sexism, whoever it turns out it's directed at.

No, what bothers me most is the 'evolve' part. Are they suggesting that we evolved directly from pigs? Or perhaps that with prophylactic-based impetus the evolution of pigs could be diverted towards the status of modern man? What on earth kind of message is that to give impressionable young children?! It's hard enough for them to sort out anything as it is, even without the evil [left/right] (delete as preferred) wing media sending them conflicting messages!

Maybe it's a scheme by teh evilutionists, trying to corrupt kiddies into believing in those lies of Satan!

Or maybe it's the creationists trying to make a mockery of evolution with their phoney facts! Who knows what to believe?



Just so we're clear this post is complete lies. I'm really not bothered at all by this advert. What's all the fuss about? It's clearly intended in a sense of jest, and anyone uptight enough to not take it as such... well, sucks to be them. Enjoy life without a sense of humour.
You do not have to find EVERYTHING funny to have a sense of humor

Just so we're clear this post is complete lies. I'm really not bothered at all by this advert. What's all the fuss about? It's clearly intended in a sense of jest, and anyone uptight enough to not take it as such... well, sucks to be them. Enjoy life without a sense of humour.

As long as I say it in jest I can say anything?

I can make racist jokes therefore?

It's not sexist. It's speciesist. Pigs are not human.

Yes, it's sexist, using normal criteria for determining sexism.

But, using prevailing community standards, it would probably only be considered "edgy". Is this a contradiction? People can form their own ideas.

Maybe ... but how many men would there be protesting a slight against women?

Its all great to wish to see more women protesting this ad but if the roals were reversed do you think there would be as many men taking up arms?

Hell with what I hear every time something like that comes up is a bunch of men bitching about "Feminazi's"


Let me get this strait Yes I think this was a dumb add and yes I think it is sexist but I dont think the response to it really is out of proportion as far as the sexes are concerned

I think it's terrible. I think a lot of things currently on T.V. have very sexist views of men, and I am beginning to get really tired of it.

You do not have to find EVERYTHING funny to have a sense of humor

Very true, but something as blatantly intended in jest as this... it'd just take a serious sense of humour failure to not appreciate it as such.

As long as I say it in jest I can say anything?

I can make racist jokes therefore?

*shrug* You can to me at least. I very rarely, if ever, take overly heed of peoples words and/or actions - it's the intentions behind them that count to me. And let's be honest here, when was the last time anything humourous happened that wasn't tasteless in some way?

I think it's terrible. I think a lot of things currently on T.V. have very sexist views of men, and I am beginning to get really tired of it.

But so much of the stuff on tv is such utter bollocks anyway. In fact that can be said of most things in life, on some level :D Just rise above it all. Getting het up over something on the tv really isn't worth the effort is it?

Very true, but something as blatantly intended in jest as this... it'd just take a serious sense of humour failure to not appreciate it as such.



*shrug* You can to me at least. I very rarely, if ever, take overly heed of peoples words and/or actions - it's the intentions behind them that count to me. And let's be honest here, when was the last time anything humourous happened that wasn't tasteless in some way?

And the intention behind this is to continue a view in society that men are pigs in order to sell condoms......but they did it in a funny way so its ok. :rolleyes:

But so much of the stuff on tv is such utter bollocks anyway. In fact that can be said of most things in life, on some level :D Just rise above it all. Getting het up over something on the tv really isn't worth the effort is it?

Why shouldn't we get 'het up' about a medium which can influence peoples opinions?

And the intention behind this is to continue a view in society that men are pigs in order to sell condoms......but they did it in a funny way so its ok. :rolleyes:

No, it's to use a gentle mockery of the view society holds that men are pigs to sell their wares. Or at least it's equally possible that that is the case. Does it say anywhere that they support this view? After all, it'd be rather silly of them to drive away their target audience wouldn't it. I'm sure they did consider that before making the advert.

Why shouldn't we get 'het up' about a medium which can influence peoples opinions?

Because it's really quite pathetic? (The mediium, and the content diplayed thereon, that is, not you getting het up about it. Sorry just thought I'd clarify :)) Would you get het up about the chavvy kid on the street making various slurs against your mother and her reputation? Of course you wouldn't, because it's not worth bothering with.

Because it's really quite pathetic? Would you get het up about the chavvy kid on the street making various slurs against your mother and her reputation? Of course you wouldn't, because it's not worth bothering with.

What is the stereotype of the Irish? That they are drunks right? People start to believe the stereotypes of themselves and act them out. Numerous times i've seen Irish people here shouting about how their nationality means they can drink ridiculous amounts.

It works for other stereotypes too.

No, it's to use a gentle mockery of the view society holds that men are pigs to sell their wares. Or at least it's equally possible that that is the case. Does it say anywhere that they support this view? After all, it'd be rather silly of them to drive away their target audience wouldn't it. I'm sure they did consider that before making the advert.



Not when their target audience will most likely just laugh it off and think the usual "Yeah thats guys for you"

What is the stereotype of the Irish? That they are drunks right? People start to believe the stereotypes of themselves and act them out. Numerous times i've seen Irish people here shouting about how their nationality means they can drink ridiculous amounts.

It works for other stereotypes too.

Does it not strike you that those who would, to use your example, drink loads, and then shout about how it's ok because they're Irish, are the sort of people who would drink loads anyway, and are just using it as an excuse? And, furthermore, would cheerfully drink loads without any excuse at all.

Anyone who would stoop to that level, and to the level of conforming to any stereotype purely for the sake of conforming to a stereotype is precisely the sort of person who isn't worth bothering yourself with. They will continue to do whatever they're doing, pathetic as it is, with or without your concern. So why concern yourself with them? It won't gain you anything.

Not when their target audience will most likely just laugh it off and think the usual "Yeah thats guys for you"

And will then be urged by that very stereotype they themselves think of to not conform to that perhaps? Doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me.

And all those others - typically female - who think the same will be pleasantly surprised when they meet a few guys and it turns out that, hold on, these guys aren't pigs at all, they're every bit as delightful as myself and my friends. What's so wrong with that? People's real life experiences influnce their opinions far more than tv.

Does it not strike you that those who would, to use your example, drink loads, and then shout about how it's ok because they're Irish, are the sort of people who would drink loads anyway, and are just using it as an excuse? And, furthermore, would cheerfully drink loads without any excuse at all.

Anyone who would stoop to that level, and to the level of conforming to any stereotype purely for the sake of conforming to a stereotype is precisely the sort of person who isn't worth bothering yourself with. They will continue to do whatever they're doing, pathetic as it is, with or without your concern. So why concern yourself with them? It won't gain you anything.

So I shouldn't want to try to stop a stereotype being perpetuated and internalised by people because I should think of them as being below me since they've fallen victim to it? Were the women who honestly thought their place was in the home serving a man below others? They believed the stereotype of themselves and internalised it. Fortunately people didn't just decide to not let it bother them. They decided to change it instead for the better

Well I certainly agree that the Trojan commercial is a "stupid fucking ad". Other than that I think he is a whiny bitch, if that isn't too offensive.

I think it's terrible. I think a lot of things currently on T.V. have very sexist views of men, and I am beginning to get really tired of it.

:rolleyes:
Smunkee, you aren't a guy. So why would it even matter?
This is reminding me of that episode of Malcolm in the Middle where Malcolm's mom is fighting to take down an ad for malt liquor, which a black guy is holding. But all of Hal's friends, who are black, don't care at all. If anything annoyed them, it was that she was making a deal out of it in the first place.

:rolleyes:
Smunkee, you aren't a guy. So why would it even matter?
This is reminding me of that episode of Malcolm in the Middle where Malcolm's mom is fighting to take down an ad for malt liquor, which a black guy is holding. But all of Hal's friends, who are black, don't care at all. If anything annoyed them, it was that she was making a deal out of it in the first place.

I care because I believe that there will never be equality of the sexes as long as it's okay to make sexist stereo-types, I care because I am married to someone who is male and I don't like people making inferences about him based on those stereo-types.

I care when someone makes a racist comment in front of me, even if it's not about my race. I care about Muslims who are discriminated against and abused even though I am not Muslim. I care about children who are abused, even when they aren't my own.

So I shouldn't want to try to stop a stereotype being perpetuated and internalised by people because I should think of them as being below me since they've fallen victim to it? Were the women who honestly thought their place was in the home serving a man below others? They believed the stereotype of themselves and internalised it. Fortunately people didn't just decide to not let it bother them. They decided to change it instead for the better

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I get the feeling that I've said something that I didn't mean, or wasn't quite what I was thinking... and also that if I continue to do so I shall make a complete twat of myself (as opposed to only a slight twat, as I have already achieved).

I put it down to being uber tired. I shall bow myself gently out of this discussion, and leave it to more agile minds than mine. I think all I was really trying to say in the first place is that I wasn't too fussed by the perceived sexism in the advert.

I care because I believe that there will never be equality of the sexes as long as it's okay to make sexist stereo-types,

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on a second. Men aren't being treated equally to women?

But so much of the stuff on tv is such utter bollocks anyway. In fact that can be said of most things in life, on some level :D Just rise above it all. Getting het up over something on the tv really isn't worth the effort is it?

I can't really name a sitcom where the husband isn't a stupid pig, who only cares about sex and food and needs his wifey to go around behind him and clean up his messes. That doesn't bother you?

I got an email last week due to fathers day about "because I am a dad" and then continued to make men look stupid, weak, apathetic and rude. That bothers me.

I can't really name a sitcom where the husband isn't a stupid pig, who only cares about sex and food and needs his wifey to go around behind him and clean up his messes. That doesn't bother you?

I got an email last week due to fathers day about "because I am a dad" and then continued to make men look stupid, weak, apathetic and rude. That bothers me.

And sitcoms aren't bollocks? :)

And again you, and everyone with an ounce of common sense or any genuine experience, will know otherwise, and will dismiss said email and others like it as mere foolishness.



Wait, I'm getting myself back into the discussion aren't I. Dammit! Bad Tim! Flee the desire to argue! You'll just lose! *Smacks self on the nose with rolled up newspaper*

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on a second. Men aren't being treated equally to women?

women aren't being treated equally to men, and a lot of people seem to think the solution is to treat men worse. I don't like that.

women aren't being treated equally to men, and a lot of people seem to think the solution is to treat men worse. I don't like that.

I think this is going to come down to 'is political correctness good or bad', and with that I'll leave the debate.

And sitcoms aren't bollocks? :)

And again you, and everyone with an ounce of common sense or any genuine experience, will know otherwise, and will dismiss said email and others like it as mere foolishness.
except they don't. Any man who doesn't fit into the preconcieved stereotype is called gay or worse they are "not a real man". There is a lot of pressure on men to be the stereotypical guy. Guys don't cry, guys don't ask for directions, guys scratch themselves and burp, guys don't have feelings, guys have to have the remote control at all times, guys only care about sex, guys don't cook...they grill, etc. and so on and so forth forever.



Wait, I'm getting myself back into the discussion aren't I. Dammit! Bad Tim! Flee the desire to argue! You'll just lose! *Smacks self on the nose with rolled up newspaper*
masochist.

And sitcoms aren't bollocks? :)

And again you, and everyone with an ounce of common sense or any genuine experience, will know otherwise, and will dismiss said email and others like it as mere foolishness.



Wait, I'm getting myself back into the discussion aren't I. Dammit! Bad Tim! Flee the desire to argue! You'll just lose! *Smacks self on the nose with rolled up newspaper*

What games did you play as a kid? Did you play with dolls or army men? You yourself i'm sure at some point in your lifetime have conformed to a stereotype. Everyone has i'm sure. Maybe not the exact one i've given as an example but something like that. We're told different qualities are masculine or feminine and too many people buy into it.

How about another example in the form of the stereotype that smart isn't cool? There are plenty of kids that buy into it

women aren't being treated equally to men, and a lot of people seem to think the solution is to treat men worse. I don't like that.

I think I'm in love...;)

I'm reminded of a saying, I can't remember whose, I believe one of the progenitors of the feminist movement (though I'm probably way off): Men their rights and nothing more, women their rights and nothing less.

I feel pretty much the same way. How is it solving the problem to just transfer the negative stereotypes from one gender to the other? Seems to me it just creates ill will with the very people the feminist movement is trying to reach.

except they don't. Any man who doesn't fit into the preconcieved stereotype is called gay or worse they are "not a real man". There is a lot of pressure on men to be the stereotypical guy. Guys don't cry, guys don't ask for directions, guys scratch themselves and burp, guys don't have feelings, guys have to have the remote control at all times, guys only care about sex, guys don't cook...they grill, etc. and so on and so forth forever.



Exactly. Hence the higher suicide rate among males. They're constantly told they shouldn't show emotions. Thats a feminine quality and not something to aspire to. The only problem is that it just leads to depression in a lot of guys. I've fallen to that stereotype myself and because of it i've had to drop out of university so I can retake the year.

Exactly. Hence the higher suicide rate among males. They're constantly told they shouldn't show emotions. Thats a feminine quality and not something to aspire to. The only problem is that it just leads to depression in a lot of guys. I've fallen to that stereotype myself and because of it i've had to drop out of university so I can retake the year.

not only that they shouldn't show them, but that they shouldn't even have them.

I have watched how other grown ups talk to little boys, it breaks my heart.

"he took my toy"
"suck it up, be a man"

:(

they would never say that to their daughters.

women aren't being treated equally to men, and a lot of people seem to think the solution is to treat men worse. I don't like that.

:fluffle:

Nicely put.

not only that they shouldn't show them, but that they shouldn't even have them.

I have watched how other grown ups talk to little boys, it breaks my heart.

"he took my toy"
"suck it up, be a man"

:(

they would never say that to their daughters.

Sad fact of the times I guess. We spend all this time reversing the negative stereotypes about women and attempting to raise them to be smart, intelligent, and independent (which is time well spent), but it seems like the fact that the patriarchy runs both ways and enforces the same roles on young men is glossed over.

You can't just concentrate on one gender and hope that your efforts just spill over onto the other.

No prob. If you try to pick up a woman in a bar with a view to having sex with her, and you don't have condoms ... you ARE a pig.

The condom goes on the man, right? So it's his responsibility to carry them if he wants to have sex ... well, with anybody really.

No prob. If you try to pick up a woman in a bar with a view to having sex with her, and you don't have condoms ... you ARE a pig.

The condom goes on the man, right? So it's his responsibility to carry them if he wants to have sex ... well, with anybody really.

While I mostly agree with you, I feel I ought to point out that if a woman is going out looking for sex, it is her responsibility to carry condoms as well.

STDs are not sexist, they can affect anyone.

While I mostly agree with you, I feel I ought to point out that if a woman is going out looking for sex, it is her responsibility to carry condoms as well.

STDs are not sexist, they can affect anyone.

:) No prob.

I'm guessing the ad was mostly aimed at men, but I don't watch a lot of ads so I'm no expert.

Condom is called 'evolve'
All the people hitting on the women (so presumably men, especially as the advert is seemingly American and Americans are notoriously anti-gay) are shown as pigs
The advert is therefore suggesting that all men are pigs
If the advert is suggesting that only men without condoms are pigs, then unless, as the guy in the second youtube link suggested, an advert appears suggesting that all women without condoms are bitches, it's still sexist against men
The only reason for you not to see the sexism is if you are not very clever, or are female

We're surrounded by anti-male sexism. This commercial is just one of many potshots the media feels it is allowed to take at an entire gender.

With very few exceptions, men are oafs, idiots, pigs and/or aggressors when portrayed in the media.

The only reason for you not to see the sexism is if you are not very clever, or are female

so women are not very clever?

how enlightened of you. :rolleyes:

Exactly. Hence the higher suicide rate among males. They're constantly told they shouldn't show emotions. Thats a feminine quality and not something to aspire to. The only problem is that it just leads to depression in a lot of guys. I've fallen to that stereotype myself and because of it i've had to drop out of university so I can retake the year.
I remember reading that significantly more women attempt suicide than men, but significantly more men than women succeed.

The only reason for you not to see the sexism is if you are not very clever, or are female


Holy shit!

So..you complain about the stereotyping of males and in the process stereotype females?

How very...silly.

I remember reading that significantly more women attempt suicide than men, but significantly more men than women succeed.

You're quite correct. Experts say it's because men choose more certain means of death, like gunshots to the head, whereas women use less decisive means like sleeping pills.

Holy shit!

So..you complain about the stereotyping of males and in the process stereotype females?

How very...silly.

No, it's a well-known fact taht people are less likely to see the sexism in something when the sexism is not directed at people of their gender.

so women are not very clever?

how enlightened of you. :rolleyes:

"oh he's a man, he must be saying something bad about me because I'm a woman!!"... many women are very clever. people who don't bother reading a post properly then respond to it are probably not.

I remember reading that significantly more women attempt suicide than men, but significantly more men than women succeed.

I'm not sure about that but if it was true it would make sense. Men are more likely to choose more violent methods of suicide e.g. shotgun to the face, etc

Edit : You're right

Men *are* pigs. The advert is correct.

Men *are* pigs. The advert is correct.

:rolleyes:

haha, made me laugh.

The only possible stereotype that could be found offensive is that the ad implies single people only ever go to bars to get laid. Hey, I go to bars to get wasted, and hopefully have a few laughs along the way.

But yeah, I don't find it offensive in any way. The ad simply reenforces the image that anyone who propositions someone else for sex should have a condom with them.

I remember reading that significantly more women attempt suicide than men, but significantly more men than women succeed.

Finish what you start, I always say. :p Of course, the nick on the wrist, or two pills more than the recommended dose attention-plea stuff probably weighs heavily on the female side, judging by my experiences. :p Mostly kidding, though.

Exactly. Hence the higher suicide rate among males. They're constantly told they shouldn't show emotions. Thats a feminine quality and not something to aspire to. The only problem is that it just leads to depression in a lot of guys. I've fallen to that stereotype myself and because of it i've had to drop out of university so I can retake the year.

Women are more likely to attempt suicide than men. Men are more likely to succeed.

The only reason for you not to see the sexism is if you are not very clever, or are female


Well I am not female, so mustn't be very clever then.

There is no sexism here, there is simply the judgment that anyone who tries to have unprotected casual sex does not deserve to be considered human.

Of course you could argue that the women are also trying to have unprotected casual sex, but this is not depicted in the advert.

There is, however, blatant speciesism, but that is another issue altogether (and a pathetic one in my view)

...Ummm Yeah if you're against it you're pretty much letting Trojan win because they're getting all this attention...so just a heads up there

The only ones who deserve to be annoyed here are the pigs and their representatives.

How about another example in the form of the stereotype that smart isn't cool? There are plenty of kids that buy into it

And I'm glad kids that foolish won't be getting in my way and taking up room.

anyone who voluntarily submits themselves to corporate media has only themselves to blame for doing so.

fox news channel is a propiganda organ of the corporate mafia that has usurped the political proccess, anyone who hasn't already figured this out is either a little slow or has been hiding under a rock for the past decade.

so why is anyone even mentioning it?

=^^=
.../\...

Men *are* pigs. The advert is correct.

And all woman are filthy bitches.

Man, I'm glad I don't live in THAT fantasy world.

Finish what you start, I always say. :p Of course, the nick on the wrist, or two pills more than the recommended dose attention-plea stuff probably weighs heavily on the female side, judging by my experiences. :p Mostly kidding, though.

maybe it's because women express their emotions more than men do. People worry about women more, both times I was really close to almost dying some idiot came and checked on me and called 911. One of my friends who committed suicide recently didn't have anyone come check on him, or anything, he just died. After he died everyone said "oh, he wouldn't have done that! he wasn't even depressed"

he was depressed. depressed enough to kill himself, but nobody knew, because "men don't cry"

maybe it's because women express their emotions more than men do.

zomgstereotyping.

Even if it is sexist I don't give a shit.

zomgstereotyping.

I'd say its more of a recognition that many men buy into the stereotype because society has told them to

Ridiculous

All publicity is good publicity

maybe it's because women express their emotions more than men do. People worry about women more, both times I was really close to almost dying some idiot came and checked on me and called 911. One of my friends who committed suicide recently didn't have anyone come check on him, or anything, he just died. After he died everyone said "oh, he wouldn't have done that! he wasn't even depressed"

he was depressed. depressed enough to kill himself, but nobody knew, because "men don't cry"

I've noticed that in my case too. I ended up standing on a bridge over the train tracks for hours trying to work up the nerve to kill myself but thankfully my girlfriend stopped me. No-one knew that I was depressed apart from her because I can easily put a front on and act the happy jokey person role in front of those i'm not comfortable being emotional with. Then when I finally end up on anti-depressants and in counselling i'm accused of just looking for attention and trying to get out of exams

I'd say its more of a recognition that many men buy into the stereotype because society has told them to

So, not only has the stereotype made itself true, but she herself is affirming the stereotype once more because so many people have already affirmed it so as to make it true.

...Ummm Yeah if you're against it you're pretty much letting Trojan win because they're getting all this attention...so just a heads up there

Ridiculous

LOL.

It's funny in a fashion. Original idea. Since I use them - a different brand though - I`m not a pig. ;) :)

So, not only has the stereotype made itself true, but she herself is affirming the stereotype once more because so many people have already affirmed it so as to make it true.

Stereotypes involve saying that all of a group are that way. That isn't the case. Just a significant proportion. Do you honestly think you are born automatically wanting to burp and fart and act stupid any more than a woman is?

All publicity is good publicity

I don't doubt that they get publicity out of it but I think its stupid to say I shouldn't argue about it because "then they win"

Stereotypes involve saying that all of a group are that way. That isn't the case. Just a significant proportion.

Well, hey, the commercial only said guys that don't use condoms are pigs. I guess Smunkee was wrong about that whole media stereotyping thing, huh?

Actually, Smunkee didn't qualify this most recent statement at all. Just that women express emotions more then men. If she didn't mean all, she may want to be more, hmm, specific.

Well, hey, the commercial only said guys that don't use condoms are pigs. I guess Smunkee was wrong about that whole media stereotyping thing, huh?



One woman in a bar and every man in there is a pig even though only one of them appears to be looking for sex.

One woman in a bar and every man in there is a pig even though only one of them appears to be looking for sex.

Really? I thought I saw a few diffeent women, but I can't be sure now. One of them who?

Incidentally, totally not my point. I'm just suprised Smunkee is willing to say "women express their emotions more than men do" after her bit on the media and sexist stereotyping. You then come in, telling me that Smunkee is saying 'well, people have said it so much that men make it true now'. And she says this by saying it again. Not that I'm calling her a hypocrite, because, hey, if it really were true, would it be a stereotype?

The message isn't sexist, in and of itself, either. It's basically saying, "real men use condoms." Whether or not you agree with that, it's not particularly sexist.

Aye. Looks like humourous ad to me, surely nothing to get worked about.

Also, I have no trouble saying that men that pick up women and don't want to use condoms are, in fact, pigs.

Really? I thought I saw a few diffeent women, but I can't be sure now. One of them who?

Incidentally, totally not my point. I'm just suprised Smunkee is willing to say "women express their emotions more than men do" after her bit on the media and sexist stereotyping. You then come in, telling me that Smunkee is saying 'well, people have said it so much that men make it true now'. And she says this by saying it again. Not that I'm calling her a hypocrite, because, hey, if it really were true, would it be a stereotype?

You're right. Don't know how I thought there was only one. Apologies.

Ok I understand your point a little more now. The problem I have is that we accept a stereotype that puts forward bad attributes for men. If we're going to do anything why not say something along the lines of 'A real man is sensitive when necessary and strong when necessary but he doesn't have to only one'. The saving grace of this advert is that its saying real men use condoms but its also saying the all men go out to bars looking for women for sex. Real men don't just want to meet someone to chat, real men don't want a relationship when they can just have a one night stand, etc

You're right. Don't know how I thought there was only one. Apologies.

Ok I understand your point a little more now. The problem I have is that we accept a stereotype that puts forward bad attributes for men. If we're going to do anything why not say something along the lines of 'A real man is sensitive when necessary and strong when necessary but he doesn't have to only one'. The saving grace of this advert is that its saying real men use condoms but its also saying the all men go out to bars looking for women for sex. Real men don't just want to meet someone to chat, real men don't want a relationship when they can just have a one night stand, etc

I don't want a relationship, nor do I not want to chat. I want a one night stand. Am I not a real man?

I don't want a relationship, nor do I not want to chat. I want a one night stand. Am I not a real man?

Nothing wrong with that as long as society doesn't act like a man is a pussy for not wanting to conform to 'real man' qualities

I thought the commercial was pretty clever with a good punch-line.

Was it American or Canadian? I noticed Canadian commercials are a helluva lot better than crappy American ones.

Anyhow, the guy bitching about it needs to grow a pair and then get punched in the face.

Aye. Looks like humourous ad to me, surely nothing to get worked about.

Also, I have no trouble saying that men that pick up women and don't want to use condoms are, in fact, pigs.

QFT.

It's a freaking commercial - think of the stupid Budweiser commercials recently on the radio with their descriptions of utterly ridiculous stereotypes (which I have yet to hear anyone protesting). I would argue that it is mildly piggish of a man to go out to a bar looking for sex without a condom(s), and while I mildly resent the implication that every man at a bar is looking for sex, it's probably not all that far from the truth in some cases. And, hell, if the man is gonna be the instigator of intercourse, why should the woman have to provide the condom?

I don't think it's offensive. I certainly don't think it's worth banning. I don't even think it's particularly funny, clever or even interesting.

What people need to figure out is that in this country we are way too hypersenstive. It's just like the Geico comercials with the cave men. It's just funny! People need to lighten up and laugh at themselves! This country is gotten so worried about not offending anyone tha we have given up much of the humor and enjoyment of life that comes with our country! LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE!!!:headbang:

It doesn't make any sense,...

"Evolve. Use a Condom Every Time".

So then, how do we evolve if we use contraception EVERY TIME?

How do we even expect survival if this goes on.

... oh yeah, and it'd be more appropriate if the women were also depicted as bitches, EQUALITY FTW!

It doesn't make any sense,...

"Evolve. Use a Condom Every Time".

So then, how do we evolve if we use contraception EVERY TIME?

How do we even expect survival if this goes on.

... oh yeah, and it'd be more appropriate if the women were also depicted as bitches, EQUALITY FTW!
Yeah whats better then being derogatory toward one sex! how bout both!

You ever heard that "eye for an eye" saying?

People are offended by that? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Seriously...what the fuck? I just took it as the idea that men who hit on women without the intention of using protection are pigs. Even if one didn't take it like that, I still don't see how it could be construed as offensive in any way; it was just a stupid comedic concept that used the old stereotype "men are pigs" as a crutch. That's what comedy does -- it takes familiar things and tries to use them to make something funny. Even if you don't laugh at it, take it for what it is: a stupid attempt at comedy. That second video, with the guy's reaction, was beyond ridiculous. To paraphrase another user, what a whiny little hypersensitive bitch.

It isn't sexist.

If you don't use a condom, you're a pig.

It isn't inaccurate either...

Yeah whats better then being derogatory toward one sex! how bout both!

You ever heard that "eye for an eye" saying?

It's not about 'eye for an eye' it's about laughing at each other at the same time. Socialism in Humor!

This will sell condoms,... wait,... Trojan would better off putting pR0n as an ad to sell of condoms,... yeah, that'll work.

Am I a genius or what?

It's not about 'eye for an eye' it's about laughing at each other at the same time. Socialism in Humor!

This will sell condoms,... wait,... Trojan would better off putting pR0n as an ad to sell of condoms,... yeah, that'll work.

Am I a genius or what?

Porn may just work lol

I'm female and found it offensive.

Also, to those who are claiming (I can't say you're telling the truth or lying cause I don't watch tv) that men are made to look bad on television all the time, take a look at who is writing the man looking bad. Most of the time, it is men writing these men this way. Sometimes your own gender are making you out to be a fool.

I'm female and found it offensive.

Also, to those who are claiming (I can't say you're telling the truth or lying cause I don't watch tv) that men are made to look bad on television all the time, take a look at who is writing the man looking bad. Most of the time, it is men writing these men this way. Sometimes your own gender are making you out to be a fool.

So I should feel better about it then?

So I should feel better about it then?

*shrug* Maybe it's just an example to show it doesn't have to be taken personally. If these guys can write it, surely we can deal with it reasonably.

No, he's just twirling his finger around some strand of hair. :p

That being said... the second video is just stupid. The first made me laugh my ass off, especially when the guy they showed in the end might as well have been a pig. :) Mind you I have nothing against guys; only the sleazy type that pick up women in bars (and those women well... I have no respect for them).

What about those who try to pick up on internet chat forums? *Tries to look freaky*

I think it's hilarious, it makes damned sure that the product name is in the forefront, as is the message: wear a condom EVERY TIME.

In other words, a success.

Besides, if you're all worried about the offensiveness -- what does it say about the girl so shallow that the guy walking back in and smiling is enough to change her mind.

Besides, if you're all worried about the offensiveness -- what does it say about the girl so shallow that the guy walking back in and smiling is enough to change her mind.

I'd say portraying men as pigs is a bit more sexist than a woman who reconsiders not having sex with a pig because it's not a pig anymore.

I think it's hilarious, it makes damned sure that the product name is in the forefront, as is the message: wear a condom EVERY TIME.

In other words, a success.

Besides, if you're all worried about the offensiveness -- what does it say about the girl so shallow that the guy walking back in and smiling is enough to change her mind.

that she's a whore who isn't into bestiality, and is the exact reason you need a condom?

:)

The guy from the second vid, yeah he's a fucktard if I ever saw/heard one.
Honestly, it isn't offensive, it's advertisement. I could care less, really.
I just wish morons like him would stop fucking complaining about EVERYTHING and just live life.

I think it's hilarious, it makes damned sure that the product name is in the forefront, as is the message: wear a condom EVERY TIME.

In other words, a success.

Besides, if you're all worried about the offensiveness -- what does it say about the girl so shallow that the guy walking back in and smiling is enough to change her mind.

Maybe she has some kind of Condom-sense? Like Spidey-sense, but for contraceptives instead of danger.

Men *are* pigs. The advert is correct.

I am a male pig? Where are the male humans then?

The guy from the second vid, yeah he's a fucktard if I ever saw/heard one.
Honestly, it isn't offensive, it's advertisement. I could care less, really.
I just wish morons like him would stop fucking complaining about EVERYTHING and just live life.

Hint: You just insulted about 90% of this thread. Which is frowned upon.
Also, be honest...You would probably be complaining if it had depicted woman as pigs/trolls/donkeys/shapeshifting demons that eat the eyeballs of children.

its pathetic that ppl let themselves get offended by media that plays off stereotypes. the ad needs to hit a punchline in really short air time, so it has to develop character through steretype. this ad successfully acknowledges the "men are pigs" stereotype, and turns it on its head as soon as one buys a condom. I thinks it's gratifying more than it is insulting.

If you are male and insulted, be assured this ad isn't talking about you specifically; neither is it trying to represent males in society.

If you're male and insulted, you are an idiot. f*** off.

I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, but whatever. Here's what it boils down to. The men who complain when women insult them are crybabies. The women who complain when men insult them are feminazis. Everyone's a douche. Except for you. You're special and somehow different from everybody else. You're the enlightened one. Honestly people, what woman here hasn't called all men dogs at least once. And what man here hasn't said that all women were insane. We're humans. We're all jerks. We're all screwed up. You'll get offended a lot less when you realize that you've said something just as bad at some point in time.

I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, but whatever. Here's what it boils down to. The men who complain when women insult them are crybabies. The women who complain when men insult them are feminazis. Everyone's a douche. Except for you. You're special and somehow different from everybody else. You're the enlightened one. Honestly people, what woman here hasn't called all men dogs at least once. And what man here hasn't said that all women were insane. We're humans. We're all jerks. We're all screwed up. You'll get offended a lot less when you realize that you've said something just as bad at some point in time.

/thread

On the lovely FOX news channel, there was a guest arguing that a condom commercial was sexist and had men everywhere outraged.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uk2Yi_f-zNk

And then we have this guy..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FZwcyu4uU8I

..

I don't see it. How is it sexist? Offensive? What? http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif

Government Corruption/Civil Rights Violation, War in Iraq, Darfur etc. genocides, Climate Change/"Global Warming"...

Too much else to worry about in this world. Normally I'd go on a tirade but I have to worry about those aforementioned issues, some other issues, and keeping sane/happy.

I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, but whatever. Here's what it boils down to. The men who complain when women insult them are crybabies. The women who complain when men insult them are feminazis. Everyone's a douche. Except for you. You're special and somehow different from everybody else. You're the enlightened one. Honestly people, what woman here hasn't called all men dogs at least once. And what man here hasn't said that all women were insane. We're humans. We're all jerks. We're all screwed up. You'll get offended a lot less when you realize that you've said something just as bad at some point in time.

but all women are insane. As are all men. We're all crazy. We might as well embrace it.

*rips off clothes, joins LG in squirrel chasing*

You're quite correct. Experts say it's because men choose more certain means of death, like gunshots to the head, whereas women use less decisive means like sleeping pills.

Nice way of putting it.

Men are better at killing. Including killing themselves.

All men are indeed pigs, and I am the living proof of this.

Nuff said.

All men are indeed pigs, and I am the living proof of this.


Why, are you all men?

"We are the Skaladora. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." :rolleyes:

Why, are you all men?

"We are the Skaladora. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." :rolleyes:

Warning, Will Robinson! Warning! Your sanity is in danger!

Joke, Will Robinson! Warning, warning, joke!

Nice way of putting it.

Men are better at killing. Including killing themselves.

Men are no 'better' at killing, not now that technology has leveled the playing field and brute strength isn't all there is to killing. Women can and do kill as well.

All men are indeed pigs, and I am the living proof of this.

Nuff said.

As a man, I respectfully disagree. I am not a pig, nor any other type of beast.

If you're male and insulted, you are an idiot. f*** off.

You're a credit to your gender :rolleyes:

If you're male and insulted, you are an idiot. f*** off.

I don't know why but that played along with the tune to 'if your happy and you know it' in my mind.

I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, but whatever.

Around these forums, you're likely to be flamed for mentioning that chocolate ice cream is pretty swell. It's completely unremarkable.


Here's what it boils down to. The men who complain when women insult them are crybabies. The women who complain when men insult them are feminazis. Everyone's a douche.

If you'd like to make excuses for people who choose to be jerks, that's your business. Myself, I expect a certain minimum level of civility from adult human beings, because I know they are capable of it. Are we all perfect? Of course not. But we are capable of behaving ourselves within a basic range of acceptable behaviors. I'm not remotely interested in making excuses for the people who choose not to behave themselves, particularly since my minimum standard is roughly equal to the level of conduct I would expect from a decent kindergartener.


Except for you. You're special and somehow different from everybody else. You're the enlightened one.

I'm not any more or less enlightened than anybody else. I don't expect anybody to behave in a way that I couldn't behave.


Honestly people, what woman here hasn't called all men dogs at least once.

*raises hand*

You need new friends.


And what man here hasn't said that all women were insane. We're humans. We're all jerks. We're all screwed up. You'll get offended a lot less when you realize that you've said something just as bad at some point in time.
The fact that I did something wrong doesn't make it okay for others to do something wrong.

I was still wrong, and out of line, and I'm glad I hang out with people who call me on it when I'm out of line. I would hate to live in a world where everybody felt entitled to be assholes because "golly gee, everybody's doing it!"

It sounds to me like you've bought in to middle school peer pressure a bit too much. You don't have to do something just because "everybody's doing it!"

Around these forums, you're likely to be flamed for mentioning that chocolate ice cream is pretty swell. It's completely unremarkable.

Chocolate ice cream!?!? That is madness! *Insert generic insult here*

Also; Who uses 'swell' anymore?

On the lovely FOX news channel, there was a guest arguing that a condom commercial was sexist and had men everywhere outraged.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uk2Yi_f-zNk

And then we have this guy..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FZwcyu4uU8I

..

I don't see it. How is it sexist? Offensive? What? http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif

Meh,

I don't find it sexist. But if it is there are far more blatantly sexist adverts out there. The Lynx "Spray More, Get More" ones spring to mind. Hopefully it has been taken to its conclusion and we'll need suffer no more.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=87OkvKLvBtc

Meh,

I don't find it sexist. But if it is there are far more blatantly sexist adverts out there. The Lynx "Spray More, Get More" ones spring to mind. Hopefully it has been taken to its conclusion and we'll need suffer no more.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=87OkvKLvBtc

I actually think that advert is much better

To take even the slightest bit of offense to such an advert... is pathetic.

I'm male, i found it amusing personally. That guy with his youtube vid... really, i wish a truck would hit him and knock the stupidity out of the gene pool.

I actually think that advert is much better

We'll have to agree to disagree :)

We'll have to agree to disagree :)

Aw thats no fun :p What is it about the ad you find sexist? Maybe we can agree to agree

Aw thats no fun :p What is it about the ad you find sexist? Maybe we can agree to agree

Well I'll admit the one I linked to isn't as offensive as others in that particular add campaign if that helps.

Yeah whats better then being derogatory toward one sex! how bout both!

You ever heard that "eye for an eye" saying?

Yes, yes, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. We know. But come on, when was the last time you met a mean blind guy?

If you accept a man's offer to have sex without a condom, you are a pig.

See? It works both ways.

If you're male and insulted, you are an idiot. f*** off.

Oh boy, you're gonna be popular here.

Well condoms are for a reason, men are tecnicly pigs without them. Of course even if they dont plan on, you know, girl feels safe with a man that
has one

Well condoms are for a reason, men are tecnicly pigs without them. Of course even if they dont plan on, you know, girl feels safe with a man that
has one

Even if they don't want to have sex? :eek:

If you accept a man's offer to have sex without a condom, you are a pig.

See? It works both ways.

Unless you're married, or trying to get pregnant, or you're both tested and one of you is sterile.

Its just in case and listen to the song and whats happening. The girls dont want to be around them because they dont use condoms. Its a just-in-case situation. Maybe they will want to have sex, or not. If they didnt like the men
they just wouldnt be around them

Its a just-in-case deal. Who knows? Maybe she will want to and we'll have one less prom night dumpster baby

Well, if he uses a condom. See my point?

Its a just-in-case deal. Who knows? Maybe she will want to and we'll have one less prom night dumpster baby

You are assuming every guy would want to have sex and if he isn't prepared with a condom he'll just go ahead and do it anyway.

Im saying maybe, not ALL men want to, but if he does and so does the girl, the girl would most likely wish that a condom is used

Im saying maybe, not ALL men want to, but if he does and so does the girl, the girl would most likely wish that a condom is used

Well condoms are for a reason, men are tecnicly pigs without them.if they intend to have sex with a women even without a condom, although the woman has the right to refuse as well if the man doesn't use a condom

Fixed

exactly what i was getting at

And now i must go tend to my countries needs

Yeah, so the ad should go like this:

There is a pickup bar (low lighting, overpriced drinks, uncomfortable clothing) and all the clients are pigs and dogs.

Pig goes into mens toilet, buys condom. Turns into handsome man.

Handsome man comes out into bar, but the females are all still canine.

Bitches all like what they see, make a rush for women's toilet and buy all the condoms in the machine (uh, they do have those machines in there??)

Other pigs all crowd into mens toilet and clean out that machine too. But by the time they get back out to the bar, pigman #1 has left with the prettiest dogwoman.

?

Audience: wtf? I should buy a packet of condoms, 'cos that was totally whack!

If the commercial had called women something other then they are: cow, pigeon, chickenhead etc etc. You can bet your sweet ass there would have been an uproar.yes..

personally (I am not speaking for the others) I am ready to let them (girls) complain.. and let them say "men are pigs" .. and let them say whatever they want to say.

to me.. its just words.