NationStates Jolt Archive

This shall henceforth be the thread for such discussion.

General content contained therein listed below:

- Discussion about the affect (negative or positive) music (any type) has on those who listen to it.

- How such an effect affects religion and society's treatment towards religion

- Discussion about music in general, if such music is known to be considered antichristian or satanic.


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If the Christians believe that backward messages can really influence behavior, then why don't Christian Rock groups have backward messages in their songs that say "Believe in God" or "Go to church"?

If the Christians believe that backward messages can really influence behavior, then why don't Christian Rock groups have backward messages in their songs that say "Believe in God" or "Go to church"?

Because there's only one reason to play Christian music backward on a turntable: it sounds better.

F*ck your God, your Lord, your Christ
He did this, took all you had and
Left you this way, still you pray, never stray, never
Taste of the fruit, never thought to question "why?"

I like this song, and I listen to rock music all the time. I'd like to think that these "Satanic" songs makes my faith stronger because it challenges me to examine it (my faith) more closely.

I listen to death metal, and last time I checked, I don't have any pentagrams or numbers of the beast on my body.

*Checks*


Nope.

Although I think that bad hip hop music has a bad effect on people. Making them wear silly fashions, for example.

If the Christians believe that backward messages can really influence behavior, then why don't Christian Rock groups have backward messages in their songs that say "Believe in God" or "Go to church"?

Because they know it's actually bullshit.

Not to mention they can't be so generic as "Believe in God" because which denomination?

If the Christians believe that backward messages can really influence behavior, then why don't Christian Rock groups have backward messages in their songs that say "Believe in God" or "Go to church"?

Maybe it's for the same reason that the Westboro Baptist Church doesn't approach people in a civil way for conversation but rather picket funerals?

Because they know it's actually bullshit.

Not to mention they can't be so generic as "Believe in God" because which denomination?

Join...The...Fifth...Tier...Branch...96...Lutheran...Church...

It's worse if than they thought with the satanism. Playing the song "Revolution" by the Beatles backwards exposes it's true message, arguably much more evil to the Christians that are against such messages then the satanic messages. Here it is, reproduced in part:

Join the unitarians...Be open minded...Black people aren't all that bad...Try respecting woman, it's not so hard...

Do we really want our children exposed to such FILTH?

Because fundies are the only ones who whine about backmasking, and those hicks can barely work a turntable.

And also because it's not true.

I dunno...Have we ever actually listened to Christian music backwards? Maybe they stole the idea for themselves.

If the Christians believe that backward messages can really influence behavior, then why don't Christian Rock groups have backward messages in their songs that say "Believe in God" or "Go to church"?

Because fundies are the only ones who whine about backmasking, and those hicks can barely work a turntable.

And also because it's not true.

- Discussion about the affect (negative or positive) music (any type) has on those who listen to it.

effect. Not affect.

You wonder what Christians do, stand around all day and play tapes back and forth? They shouldn't do that. What they should be doing is what true comrades do, and listen to 'old gunut radio hosts' for slip ups, insults, and all that. Like that organization that spent all its time listining, and re-listing to all of them, looking for slip ups so that finally it triumphantly dethroned that visagues of Nazism cowboy looking fellow!

Honest, saw it in Newsweek.

I dunno...Have we ever actually listened to Christian music backwards? Maybe they stole the idea for themselves.
It does seem odd that death metal bands would bother putting hidden messages in their music. Isn't the music played forward pretty un-Christian? If you really wanted to brainwash the innocent, you would write hymns.

There are people convinced that Ozzy's Suicide Solution song has a command in it to start shooting people.

"Wine is fine but whiskey's quicker."

I dunno...Have we ever actually listened to Christian music backwards? Maybe they stole the idea for themselves.

Hell, As I Lay Dying aside, I barely listen to Christian music forwards.

"Wine is fine but whiskey's quicker."

You FUBARed that quote...

"Wine is fine but liquor is quicker."

I listen to death metal, and last time I checked, I don't have any pentagrams or numbers of the beast on my body.

*Checks*


Nope.

Although I think that bad hip hop music has a bad effect on people. Making them wear silly fashions, for example.

Oh?

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Yeah, silly...

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It does seem odd that death metal bands would bother putting hidden messages in their music. Isn't the music played forward pretty un-Christian? If you really wanted to brainwash the innocent, you would write hymns.

Maybe Death Metal bands have pro-Christian messages hidden in their songs?

I bet Vital Remains is responsible for hundreds of converts by themselves.

Also, death metal isn't always satanic or pagan. Some of it's just violent (Cannibal Corpse, for example.)

You FUBARed that quote...

"Wine is fine but liquor is quicker."

No, I was right.

Wine is fine but whiskeys quicker
Suicide is slow with liquor
Take a bottle and drown your sorrows
Then it floods away tomorrows

I think that music has gotten boring. There's nothing interesting coming out these days. Everything is either just a good old band coming out with a to-formula CD, or some new band coming out with uncreative music that either clones other good, old music, or just is without any redeming artistic traits.

I mean in the sense of art music (as in the music history definition of art music) not pop music (as in the music history definition of pop music).

I despair. :p

Plus I can't find a band to work with to try to write new and interesting music. That is the most frustrating part. Everyone either wants to do formulaic hardcore, formulaic pop, formulaic metal, formulaic classic rock, or something new, with uninteresting lyrical content.

You FUBARed that quote...

"Wine is fine but liquor is quicker."

psht...no. It's "Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker";)

Plus I can't find a band to work with to try to write new and interesting music.

You could be a one-man band, like Burzum or Nine Inch Nails. The only downside is you might have to learn how to play quite a few instruments to do it well.

No, I was right.

Wine is fine but whiskeys quicker
Suicide is slow with liquor
Take a bottle and drown your sorrows
Then it floods away tomorrows

Huh. I didn't know it was a four-line thing.

You could be a one-man band, like Burzum or Nine Inch Nails. The only downside is you might have to learn how to play quite a few instruments to do it well.

In my experience one-man-bands tend to have quite a bit of trouble with live performances. I have been doing some Billy Bragg covers here and there, though. I'm not very good at those. There's only so many times you can fuck up the chord progression on "A New England". :p

I must confess I do have a particular axe to grind, however; Christian emo/screamo/whatever one would call it bands. The appropriation of said genre by the likes of Paramore, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus and company is vexing in the extreme; I listen to music of that genre primarily because I empathise with it, and hence find the presence of god-bothering, morally intransient nutjobs an annoyance.

Could you TG me some screamo recommendations?

I disagree regarding music being "boring" now. I do concede that an awful lot of twaddle is produced, the majority of it homogenous, trend following, banal rubbish (Fall Out Boy), however, this impression may owe as much to the rise of the internet as it does to any decline in musical quality. One tends to be better informed, and more widely informed, upon music than was previously possible, due to the development of PureVolume and the like, and the international focus, as opposed to strictly domestic focus of previous generations, of NME, Kerrang! etc.

I must confess I do have a particular axe to grind, however; Christian emo/screamo/whatever one would call it bands. The appropriation of said genre by the likes of Paramore, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus and company is vexing in the extreme; I listen to music of that genre primarily because I empathise with it, and hence find the presence of god-bothering, morally intransient nutjobs an annoyance.

I disagree regarding music being "boring" now. I do concede that an awful lot of twaddle is produced, the majority of it homogenous, trend following, banal rubbish (Fall Out Boy), however, this impression may owe as much to the rise of the internet as it does to any decline in musical quality. One tends to be better informed, and more widely informed, upon music than was previously possible, due to the development of PureVolume and the like, and the international focus, as opposed to strictly domestic focus of previous generations, of NME, Kerrang! etc.

If you'll note, I specifically said I was talking about art music, not pop music. FOB and their ilk are pop.

Maybe Death Metal bands have pro-Christian messages hidden in their songs?
That would make a lot more sense.
Also, death metal isn't always satanic or pagan. Some of it's just violent (Cannibal Corpse, for example.)
Still, not what a Christian family would like their children to believe.

Could you TG me some screamo recommendations?

I'll link you now, even better;

Ice Nine Kills (http://www.purevolume.com/iceninekills)

Drop Dead Gorgeous (http://www.myspace.com/dropdeadgorgeous)

Flood of Red (http://www.myspace.com/floodofred)

Still, not what a Christian family would like their children to believe.

It's probably not that much more violent than the bible.

Admittedly, it probably does have more zombies. The bible only has one.

If you'll note, I specifically said I was talking about art music, not pop music. FOB and their ilk are pop.

Yes. A popular appropriation of a previously artistic genre.

Any form of entertainment medium has an effect on a person. That's why sad movies make us sad, heavy metal music gives us seizures, and why violent video games gives us an adrenaline rush. The question is whether or not this effect is so great that it causes us to act: popular consensus from both academic and non-academic sources is no. I'm willing to agree.

heavy metal music gives us seizures

It just makes me air guitar or headbang.

It just makes me air guitar or headbang.

Headbanging hurts my neck.

It's in my head!
Get it out!
Get it out!
Get it out!
Get it out!
Get it out!

Seriously though, having songs stuck in your head during exams sucks.

Headbanging hurts my neck.

Can happen sometimes, but for me it hasn't yet.