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Rock Music: the Devil's Advocate

VanBuren
22-06-2007, 19:27
According to the book The Emerging Generation, the average teenager consumes 6 hours a day of rock music! It is their most devoted companion. It's their teacher, preacher, and guiding light! It dictates every detail of their life — from what they wear . . . to what they believe! Dr. Alan Bloom, in the The Closing of the American Mind, writes:

"It is their passion; nothing else excites them as it does; they cannot take seriously anything alien to music." (The Closing of the American Mind, p.68)

Rock music is more than just music — IT'S THEIR LIFE!

I want to take you on a tour through today's rock music. And if think rock is still — "I Want to Hold Your Hand" — you're in for the shock of your life!

Homosexual rock star, David Bowie in Rolling Stone magazine (Feb. 12, 1976), stunned the music world, when he stated:

"Rock has always been THE DEVIL'S MUSIC . . . I believe rock and roll is dangerous . . . I feel we're only heralding SOMETHING EVEN DARKER THAN OURSELVES." (Rolling Stone, Feb. 12, 1976)

And something dark and evil is slithering under the ROCK!


In the song "The Conjuring" by Megadeth, the REAL mission of rock is clearly heard:

"I AM THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE
A SALESMAN, if you will . . .
Come join me in my INFERNAL DEPTHS . . .
I've got your soul!"
At the end of the song — they chant "OBEY"!

Rocker Frank Zappa (who discovered the awful truth December 4, 1993 the second he died) proudly boasted:

"I'm the devil's advocate. We have our own worshippers who are called 'groupies.' Girls will give their bodies to musicians as you would give a sacrifice to a god." (Peters Brothers, What About Christian Rock, p. 17)

The super group, Metallica, in the song "Jump In the Fire", commands young people to jump into hell:

"Follow me now my child . . .
DO JUST AS I SAY . . .
Jump by your will or be taken by force
I'll get you either way . . .
So reach down grab my hand walk with me through the land
COME HOME WHERE YOU BELONG
So come on JUMP IN THE FIRE."

In the cover song, "The Prince", Metallica openly sing:

"Angel from below . . .
I WISH TO SELL MY SOUL . . .
DEVIL TAKE MY SOUL
with diamonds you repay
I don't care for heaven
so don't you look for me to cry
AND I WILL BURN IN HELL
from the day I die."

Rock star, Marilyn Manson, proudly boasts:

"Hopefully, I’ll be remembered as the person who brought an end to Christianity." (Spin, August 1996, p. 34)

Manson, an ordained "reverend" in the Church of Satan, mutilates himself on stage (1 Kings 18:28), rips-up the Holy Bible, and spews "blasphemies" against the Lord Jesus Christ. Manson’s T-Shirts declare, "KILL YOUR PARENTS" & "I ¤ SATAN". Manson claims his album Antichrist Superstar came via "supernatural-inspiration":

"I heard this album as finished, I heard it in dreams . . . It was like the revelations of John the Baptist or something." (huH, Oct. 1996, p.34)

Manson’s "hope" for Antichrist Superstar,:

"I think every time people listen to this new album maybe God will be destroyed in their heads. . ." (huH, Oct. 1996, p.37)

Manson’s "blasphemy" is not just an act. Manson readily admitts there's more to the show than meets the eye:

I don’t know if anyone has really understood what we’re trying to do. This isn’t just about shock value . . . that’s just there to lure the people in. Once we’ve got ‘em we can give ‘em our MESSAGE. (Hit Parader, Oct. 1996, p.28)

Manson admits his childhood longing for Satan:

My mom used to tell me when I was a kid, ‘If you curse at nighttime, the devil’s going to come to you when you’re sleeping.’ I used to get excited because I really wanted it to happen . . . I wanted it. I wanted it more than anything . . .(Rolling Stone, January, 23, 1997 p.52)

Twisted Sister sings, "Burn in Hell":

"Welcome to the abandoned land
COME ON IN CHILD, TAKE MY HAND
Here there's no work or play
Only one bill to pay
There's just five words to say
As you go down, down, down
YOU'RE GONNA BURN IN HELL!"

Bon Jovi sings in "Homebound Train":

"When I was just a boy
THE DEVIL TOOK MY HAND
Took me from my home
He made me a man . . .
I'm going DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN
On the homebound train."

In Smash Hits magazine, Bon Jovi says:

" . . . I'd kill my mother for rock and roll. I WOULD SELL MY SOUL."

So would Tommy Sullivan of New Jersey — AND TOMMY DID!

Tommy, your typical, all-American, fourteen-year-old, one Saturday night, slit his own mother's throat, and then gouged her eyes out. Tommy then slashed his wrists and cut his throat from ear-to-ear, with an intensity that nearly decapitated him. Mayor Fran Slayton said, "There's just something that's bothering me about this situation. It bothers me that a good kid like that can go in two weeks." Tommy's father said, all week his son had been singing a ROCK SONG, "about blood and killing your mother."

Dr. Paul King, medical director of the adolescent program at Charter Lakeside Hospital, in Memphis Tennessee, says more than 80 percent of his patients are there because of rock music. He says, "the lyrics become a philosophy of life, a RELIGION."

One of the most popular groups in rock history is Slayer. Slayer sing of themselves, as: "Warriors from the gates of hell . . .
In lord Satan we trust." Slayer's albums sell in the millions! And song after song — IS PRAISE TO SATAN! Their song "Hell Awaits" says:

"Jesus knows your soul cannot be saved
CRUCIFY THE SO CALLED LORD
He soon shall fall to me
Your souls are damned
Your God has fell to slave for me eternally
Hell awaits."

The beginning of their song "Hell Awaits" contains an obvious backwards message. When played forward, nothing but garbled noise is heard, but when played backwards — you hear the real message — "JOIN US, JOIN US, JOIN US" — over and over!

Does this music effect young people?

A Slayer fan writes in Spin magazine (May 1989):

"I hate your God, Jesus Christ. SATAN IS MY LORD. I sacrifice animals for him. My god is Slayer. Its THE WORDS of their music I BELIEVE IN."

The group Acheron, has an album titled, "The Rites of the Black Mass". On the album Peter Gilmore, of the Church of Satan, actually reads the rites of a Black Mass, as the group Acheron, in hellish growls, sings such lyrics as:

"Glory to thee almighty Satan . . .
We praise thee, we bless thee,
WE ADORE THEE . . .
THOU ART LORD, THOU ALONE,
OH MIGHTY SATAN."

The group Manowar, sings in "The Bridge of Death":

"Dark Lord, I summon thee
Demanding the sacred right to burn in hell . . .
Take My lustful soul
Drink my blood as I drink yours . . .
LUCIFER IS KING
PRAISE SATAN!"

The group Morbid Angel, sings in "Vengeance in Mine":

"Mote it be
Satan's sword I have become . . .
I burn with hate
TO RID THE WORLD OF THE NAZARENE!"

And to commit the ultimate blasphemy — they sing in the song "Blasphemy":

"Chant the blasphemy
Mockery of the Messiah
WE CURSE THE HOLY GHOST . . .
Blaspheme the Ghost
BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY GHOST."

Trey Azagthoh of Morbid Angel claims to be a REAL vampire, and while playing onstage — he actually bites himself and then drinks his own blood!

The song "Stairway to Heaven" by the group Led Zeppelin is the most popular song in rock history. One line of the song, says, "you know sometimes words have TWO MEANINGS." They should know — the song is drenched in satanic backmasking! One part when played forward, says: "Yes, their are two paths you can go by, but in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on." But when played backwards, you clearly hear: "IT'S MY SWEET SATAN . . . Oh I will sing because I live with Satan." This is the number one song in rock history! Just a coincidence — not hardly! Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin is a devout follower of satanist, Aliester Crowley. One of Crowley's satanic teachings, learn to cast unsuspecting spells on people by saying them backwards! Zeppelin's song "Houses of the Holy", they sing, "Let the music be YOUR MASTER/ Will you heed the master's call/ Oh, Satan . . ."

One of the top songs of the 70's was "Hotel California" by the Eagles. Most people have no idea the song refers to the Church of Satan, which happens to be located in a converted HOTEL on CALIFORNIA street! On the inside of the album cover, looking down on the festivities, is Anton Lavey, the founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible! People say, the Eagles aren't serious, they're just selling records. That's what you think! The Eagles manager, Larry Salter, admitted in the Waco Tribune-Herald, (Feb. 28, 1982) that the Eagles were involved with the Church of Satan! Not surprisingly, one of the Eagles's songs is titled "Have A Good Day in Hell."

The group Kiss leaped on stage as rock'n roll demons — puking blood, breathing fire and screaming — "God of rock'n roll, we'll steal your virgin soul."

In their song "God of Thunder", they command young people to kneel before Satan:

"I'm lord of the wasteland, a modern day man of steel
I gather darkness to please me
and I COMMAND YOU TO KNEEL
Before, The God of thunder, the god of rock'n roll
I'LL STEAL YOUR VIRGIN SOUL!"

Female rocker, Kat sings in the Simon-Says parody called, "Satan Says":

"Hi, boys and girls!
We're going to play a game called Satan says! . . .
We're going to do everything that Satan says, Right?
. . . Satan says, Follow me!
SATAN SAYS, GO TO HELL!"

The group Bow Wow Wow, in their song "Prince of Darkness", openly give an invitation to receive Satan, as they sing:

"So open the door and LET SATAN IN, The Prince of Darkness."

The group Sad Iron, proudly sing their praise to the devil:

"We all praise the devil
He is so fine
We all praise the devil
Till the day we'll die!"

The group W.A.S.P., who proudly admit W.A.S.P. stands for We Are Sex Perverts, sing in "Sleeping in the Fire":

"Taste the LOVE,
THE LUCIFER'S MAGIC
That makes you numb
You feel what it does and you're drunk on love
YOU'RE SLEEPING IN THE FIRE!"

During their concerts, WASP would throw hunks of raw meat out in the audience and young people in a demonic frenzy, would actually eat the raw meat like a wild animal! On the back of their album reads:

"The gods you worship are steel,
AT THE ALTAR OF ROCK AND ROLL YOU KNEEL."

Motley Crue sings in "Wild Side":

"I carry my crucifix, under my deathlist
Forward my mail to me in hell . . .
OUR FATHER, WHO AIN'T IN HEAVEN
Be thy name on the wild side."

The group Black Sabbath have actually given invitations during their concerts for young people to receive Satan. One of their albums, is truthfully titled, "We Sold Our Soul for Rock'n Roll". Their song N.I.B. (Nativity In Black) is one of the most openly satanic songs ever recorded. It is a love-song from Lucifer, in which Lucifer invites the listener to "please take my hand", the lyrics:

"Some people say MY LOVE cannot be true
Please believe me, MY LOVE, and I'll show you
I will give you those things you thought unreal . . .
YOUR LOVE FOR ME has just got to be real . . .
Look into my eyes, you will see who I am
MY NAME IS LUCIFER, PLEASE TAKE MY HAND!"

One of the most popular groups in rock is AC/DC. In the song, "Hells Bells", they sing:

"I got my bell
I'm gonna take you to hell
I'm gonna get ya
SATAN GET YA"

Their song "Highway to Hell" rhey sing:

"Ain't nothing I would rather do
GOIN' DOWN, PARTY TIME
My friends are gonna be there too . . .
Hey Satan, paid my dues . . .
I'm on the way to the promised land
I'm on the HIGHWAY TO HELL."

The satanist, Richard Ramirez, known as the "Night Stalker", who terrorized California, claims AC/DC's song "Night Prowler" compelled him to murder and sacrifice at least 14 people to Satan!

The group Suicidal Tendencies, whose songs glorify suicide and have been linked to teen suicides, reveal a frightening truth in the song "Possessed":

"I'M A PRISONER OF A DEMON . . .
It stays with me wherever I go
I can't break away from its hold
This must be my punishment
FOR SELLING MY SOUL!"

The group Unleashed, in the song "Crush the Skull", blatantly sing of their hatred of Jesus Christ:

"I gaze into his glassy eyes
And pluck him by the beard
I uplift a broadaxe
And split open HIS WORM EATEN SKULL
Crush the skull — Sacrifice
Crush the skull — DIE CHRIST!"

Where did they get such disgusting lyrics? Straight out of the Satanic Bible — Book of Satan 1:10!

Pink Floyd sings, in the song "Sheep",

"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want . . .
With bright knives he RELEASETH MY SOUL
He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places . . .
For lo, he hath great power and GREAT HUNGER."

Their song, "Lucifer Sam", they sing:

"LUCIFER Sam . . . Always sitting by your side
Always by your side."

The group Possessed, in the suicide song, "No Will To Live" sing: "Drink the blood from my chalice
Come to hell and my palace . . .
Take you to the evil land . . .
You can only live by death
WORSHIP SATAN WITH THE REST!" In their song "Tribulation", they proclaim their love for Satan as they sing:

"IN LOVE WITH SATAN."

The song, "The Oath" by Mercyful Fate, is the actual oath a satanist takes during a Black Mass ritual! some of the lyrics:

"I DENY JESUS CHRIST, THE DECEIVER
And I abjure the Christian faith
Holding in contempt all of it's works . . .
In this world I swear to give my full allegiance, to it's lawful master
TO WORSHIP HIM, OUR LORD SATAN, AND NO OTHER!"

The song "Sympathy for the Devil" by the Rolling Stones, is the official anthem for the Church of Satan. In it, Lucifer speaks in the first person and asks sympathy for all who meet him. Lead singer, Mick Jagger claims that Anton Lavey, the founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible, help inspire their music! Their album titled, "Their Satanic Majesties Request", leaves no doubt to their allegiance!

The group Venom reveal the real reason for their music, as they sing:

"We're not here to entertain you . . .
I PREACH THE WAYS OF SATAN
Answer to his calls!"

Their song "Possessed", they sing:

"I am possessed by all that is evil
The death of your God, I demand . . . AND SIT AT LORD SATAN'S LEFT HAND!"

These are some of the most popular groups in the world! And these are not isolated cases! These are just a drop in the bucket! This is dangerous and serious satanic worship — and rock music is filled with it!

When you consider, the average young person ingests 6 hours a day of this

What do you think this music is doing?

According to the book, Satanism in America, which is endorsed by the National Criminal Justice Task Force on Occult Related Ritualistic Crimes, hard-core Satanism is, "the fastest-growing subculture among America's TEENS."

Studies taken by the Georgia Police Academy revealed — 90% of those involved in satanism are TEENAGERS!

Television personality, Geraldo Rivera, who explored the terrifying rise of Satanism said, "It exists AND IT'S FLOURISHING. IT IS TEENAGERS who are most likely to fall under the spell of satanism."

How serious are they? At the 1992 MTV Awards, the group Red Hot Chili Peppers, upon receiving their award and giving thanks, said:

"FIRST OF ALL we want to thank Satan . . ."

These groups know perfectly well who they're serving and they are totally dedicated to their god! In Hit Parader magazine, Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden, says:

"We can play with CONVICTION every night, because we TOTALLY BELIEVE in the music we're performing."

Like Iron Maiden's, song "The Number of the Beast", in which they direct young people to take the Mark of the Beast:

"666 the Number of the Beast
666 THE ONE FOR YOU AND ME!"

The group Deicide, whose name means "death of God", sing of their devotion in the song "In Hell I Burn":

"In Hell I burn, no questions remain
In hell I burn for Satan."

Their song, "Oblivious To Evil" describes a satanic human sacrifice. It begins with an invitation to "join us&q a p:

"Join us . . .
Sacrifice of the unborn child
Enter the kingdom of darkness
Sodomized for the ritual . . .
Infernal majesty, take this dead offering."

Deicide Vocalist Glen Benton, displaying his complete devotion to Satan, has an upside down cross actually branded into his forehead!

The group Coven, sings in "Burn the Cross":

"Son of God repent your sins
And pledge your soul to hell
Pray that Satan will forgive
Once your God has failed . . .
YOUR GOD IS DEAD and now you die
SATAN RULES AT LAST!"

To show their burning hatred of Jesus Christ, and blaspheme His death on the cross, they sing "Christsycle":

"If you're looking for a Saviour
Then I've got the trick
Christsycle
SALVATION ON A STICK."

The popular group, Danzig in their song, "Snakes of Christ", declare their hatred for Jesus Christ, as they sing:

"SERPENT JESUS, SNAKES OF CHRIST
Gonna build you a world of lies."

Inside the album is Glenn Danzig, wearing the satanic upside-down cross, above him is proudly quoted, John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do." One of their logos is a demon strangling Jesus Christ with blood gushing from His eyes! Johnny Cash, has included on his latest album — a song written by satanist Glenn Danzig! And Johnny Cash has the audacity to call himself a Christian!

Friend, the facts speak loud and clear! Satan is alive and well!

To think for one second, this music is accident or trivial, is ridiculous! From the attack on Jesus Christ, to glorification of hell and Satan — there is a evil and guiding hand! There is no logical or rational explanation for such lyrics — besides the obvious influence of Satan!

And one clear message is heard — over and over —
SATAN WANTS YOU TO BURN IN HELL!

Jesus says in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME."

Friend, there is only ONE WAY out of hell —
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!

Friend, as sure as you live and breathe — if you die without Jesus Christ — that instant, YOU WILL BE IN HELL!

in flames. . . (Luke 16:24) in torment . . . (Luke 16:24 ) for ever. . . (Matt. 25:41)

Friend, I want to ask you the most important question in your life:

Is there a time and place in your life, when you trusted in Jesus Christ, and Him alone, as your personal Savior?

Maybe you don't listen to rock music. You may be the best person in your neighborhood. You may even be a faithful church member.

But, the Bible is very clear.

Jesus Christ says in Matthew 12:30, "He that is not with me is AGAINST ME . . ."

When you say no to Jesus — you say yes to Satan! Yes, Satan, I'll see you in hell!

And friend, that's a very, very serious thing to do!

Jesus Christ loved you so much that He died on an old, rugged cross nearly 2,000 years ago — He did that for YOU!

And now, friend — the next move is YOURS.

Jesus or Satan. Heaven or Hell.
THE CHOICE IS YOURS
You can be saved this minute.

Pray this prayer and mean it with all your heart.

Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and unless you save me I am lost forever. I believe you died on the cross for me. I come to you now, the best way I know how, and ask you to save me. I now receive you as my Savior. In Jesus Christ Name. Amen.

Source: http://www.av1611.org/rock.html
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 19:30
I can't tell if this is satire or not.
AB Again
22-06-2007, 19:32
and?
VanBuren
22-06-2007, 19:33
Oh yeah, if it can get this many replies this quickly. You know it's gonna be a good topic.
VanBuren
22-06-2007, 19:34
1: tl;dr
2: Terry Watkins needs to get laid and stop trying to fill the void with evangelism, or whatever that bunch of crap is meant to be, because he's not very good at it.
3: It's considered poor form not to comment on the article/website/whatever that you're basing the thread on in your OP.

But if I'd commented, people would know I didn't believe it. Where's the fun in not misleading people?
Ifreann
22-06-2007, 19:34
1: tl;dr
2: Terry Watkins needs to get laid and stop trying to fill the void with evangelism, or whatever that bunch of crap is meant to be, because he's not very good at it.
3: It's considered poor form not to comment on the article/website/whatever that you're basing the thread on in your OP.
Turquoise Days
22-06-2007, 19:34
Hail Satan!
Cabra West
22-06-2007, 19:34
Isn't copying and pasting an article without so much as giving personal opinion considered spamming?
Telesha
22-06-2007, 19:35
Somebody needs a hobby...
Cabra West
22-06-2007, 19:35
Hah, that made me think of cute fuzzy animals from that South Park episode.

*roflmao I LOVE that episode!!! :D
The_pantless_hero
22-06-2007, 19:36
Hail Satan!
Hah, that made me think of cute fuzzy animals from that South Park episode.
New Genoa
22-06-2007, 19:36
tl;dr
The Blaatschapen
22-06-2007, 19:36
Ofcourse rock music is from the devil. Didn't you see 'Pick of Destiny'? :D
Ifreann
22-06-2007, 19:37
I can't tell if this is satire or not.

I don't think it is. I'm just not sure if Van Buren is posting this cos he agrees or so we can all join together in laughing at the silly nutcase.
Imperial isa
22-06-2007, 19:38
good for it
Dododecapod
22-06-2007, 19:39
Quite a rant.

Certain selected points:

Regarding Bowie's (much repeated) quote - he has since stated that he primarily did this for the publicity (it worked). He was in process of putting himself back together again, and needed a kick to get back into the charts.

LaVeyan Satanism is closer to paganism and Wicca than to the fallen anger Lucifer of the Bible. It's teachings are more about honouring the self and opposing close-mindedness then "enslaving souls".

Finally, whatever damage Rock and Roll and it's ten thousand children may do to humanity, it pales into nothingness beside the damage done to humanity by the "good people" of Christianity and religion as a whole. Nothing else has caused as much suffering, pain and harm as religion.
Ghost Tigers Rise
22-06-2007, 19:40
Hah, that made me think of cute fuzzy animals from that South Park episode.

Blood orgy! Yay!



And David Bowie isn't a homosexual.
Dododecapod
22-06-2007, 19:41
Blood orgy! Yay!



And David Bowie isn't a homosexual.

However, he was portraying himself as bisexual at that time (I don't know if he still does).
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 19:42
Blood orgy! Yay!



And David Bowie isn't a homosexual.

Orgy?
...
ORGY!!!
New Genoa
22-06-2007, 19:42
I like the part of average teenagers consuming 6 hours per day of rock. Considering rock isn't even the mainstream music anymore...cough.
Brutland and Norden
22-06-2007, 19:42
Whoa.

Call me a Satanist now.
Wilgrove
22-06-2007, 19:45
So Rock Music = Satan?

Well, I'm going to Hell faster than a bullet train at this point, my family too.
Ruby City
22-06-2007, 19:45
As a Christian metalhead I can't decide if it's more offensive to trash talk music I like or to make the religion I believe in look stupid.:mad:
Khadgar
22-06-2007, 19:45
But if I'd commented, people would know I didn't believe it. Where's the fun in not misleading people?

Trolling is against the rules. Which you pretty much just admitted to doing.
Snafturi
22-06-2007, 19:46
I like the part of average teenagers consuming 6 hours per day of rock. Considering rock isn't even the mainstream music anymore...cough.

Of course the youth these days listen to the rock. They listen to the AC/DC, the Guns and Roses, the Twisted Sister...
VanBuren
22-06-2007, 19:46
As a Christian metalhead I can't decide if it's more offensive to trash talk music I like or to make the religion I believe in look stupid.:mad:

I'm a Christian too. It's just that, let's be honest, we have plenty of people in our religion who aren't very intelligent.
Ifreann
22-06-2007, 19:48
But if I'd commented, people would know I didn't believe it. Where's the fun in not misleading people?

So basically, you were trolling?
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 19:49
Of course the youth these days listen to the rock. They listen to the AC/DC, the Guns and Roses, the Twisted Sister...

FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK, WE SALUTE YOU!!
VanBuren
22-06-2007, 19:49
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't trolling making comments intended to provoke an angry response?

My intention wasn't to provoke an angry response. I posted it mainly out of sheer curiosity. Far from specifically seeking an angry response, I simply wanted to find out what the response would have been.
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 19:49
So basically, you were trolling?

Aww, but this is a fun spam thread!
Vetalia
22-06-2007, 19:50
I consume 6 hours a day of rock music? Shit, that's news to me. I've always been a fan of classical and jazz myself. But then again, Saint-Saens really rocks out in his Danse Macabre and Carnival des Animeaux...
ScourgeofGod
22-06-2007, 19:50
lets say that we know that rock is the devil's music for a fact. At least he fucking jams man. If the choice is eternal heaven and new kids on the block or eternal hell with rock and roll then i'll be surfing the lake of fire rocking out!
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 19:51
I consume 6 hours a day of rock music? Shit, that's news to me. I've always been a fan of classical and jazz myself. But then again, Saint-Saens really rocks out in his Danse Macabre and Carnival des Animeaux...

Saint-Saens is not hardcore. Tchaikovsky -- No! Stravinsky is hardcore!
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 19:52
Saint-Saens is not hardcore. Tchaikovsky -- No! Stravinsky is hardcore!

No wait! Bernstein is hardcore too! I forgot Bernstein! Dammit!
Szanth
22-06-2007, 19:54
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.



That's all I can say.
New Genoa
22-06-2007, 19:54
Of course the youth these days listen to the rock. They listen to the AC/DC, the Guns and Roses, the Twisted Sister...

He also quoted quite a bit of death metal. And we all know how mainstream death metal is, and always has been.

The funny thing about these Christian nutjobs, though, is they take the lyrics too seriously...I'll pull a bit of text from wikipedia: "Perhaps Slayer's primary lyricist, King's songs are mostly based on Satanic subjects, which he attributes to his love of horror movies. He has stated he does not believe in God, and he does not believe in Satan, but he writes about Satanic subjects because he says it is more fun to sing about Satan than God." They don't write satanic lyrics because they're satanists...they write them because it's lame to write about god.
The Blaatschapen
22-06-2007, 19:54
So basically, while God used to inspire artists in the middle ages and in the renaissance (Michelangelo and stuff). She fails to get in touch with the modern artists of today?
Vetalia
22-06-2007, 19:55
Saint-Saens is not hardcore. Tchaikovsky -- No! Stravinsky is hardcore!

Hey, last time I listened to Borodin's Nocturne, I did something really drastic...I over braised my Swiss chard!
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 19:56
No wait! Bernstein is hardcore too! I forgot Bernstein! Dammit!

Oh yes, Shostakovich too. You can never forget Shostakovich! And Prokofiev! And Copland! And!... I'm gonna need a minute...
Johnny B Goode
22-06-2007, 19:57
Lolz. What you know about rock music couldn't fit on my little toenail (which is pretty much nonexistent.) BTW, David Bowie is bisexual, smart guy.
Myu in the Middle
22-06-2007, 19:57
So basically, you were trolling?
Question! Is Socratic Ignorance trolling?
VanBuren
22-06-2007, 19:57
My mistake then.
Brutland and Norden
22-06-2007, 19:57
--snip--
I fed a poor troll??

EDIT: Time Warp Rocks!!! (and is Satanist??)
Snafturi
22-06-2007, 19:58
So where does all this leave Christian death metal?
Ifreann
22-06-2007, 19:58
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't trolling making comments intended to provoke an angry response?

My intention wasn't to provoke an angry response. I posted it mainly out of sheer curiosity. Far from specifically seeking an angry response, I simply wanted to find out what the response would have been.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023
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Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). While Trolls often make these posts strictly in an attempt to provoke negative comment, it is still trolling even if you actually hold those beliefs. Intent is difficult to prove over the internet, so mods will work under their best assumptions.

Note that posts of opinions you disagree with does not automatically equate with trolling. Disagreements are expected, as long as they are done in a civil manner. Max Barry has made it clear that he welcomes all opinions in civil debate, even those that are highly unpopular or minority-held. Make your case without the invective, if you want to avoid banishment as a Troll.

Trolling is also is used to refer to making obviously silly topics that people nonetheless will reply to, despite all common sense. Don't feed the trolls.
Deus Malum
22-06-2007, 19:58
OP: tl;dr
Vetalia
22-06-2007, 19:59
Oh yes, Shostakovich too. You can never forget Shostakovich! And Prokofiev! And Copland! And!... I'm gonna need a minute...

Don't forget Von Weber, Smetana, Glazunov, and Mendelssohn. Man, watch out if I ever decide to blast "Invitation to the Dance" during a Civ 3 game...those cavalry and riflemen will be occupying your capitol in no time.
Ghost Tigers Rise
22-06-2007, 19:59
He also quoted quite a bit of death metal. And we all know how mainstream death metal is, and always has been.
To be fair, pretty much every single one of the white teens in my area (including myself) listen to death metal.

The funny thing about these Christian nutjobs, though, is they take the lyrics too seriously...I'll pull a bit of text from wikipedia: "Perhaps Slayer's primary lyricist, King's songs are mostly based on Satanic subjects, which he attributes to his love of horror movies. He has stated he does not believe in God, and he does not believe in Satan, but he writes about Satanic subjects because he says it is more fun to sing about Satan than God." They don't write satanic lyrics because they're satanists...they write them because it's lame to write about god.

Not true. As I Lay Dying fucking rocks.
Darknovae
22-06-2007, 19:59
I listen to rock music 6 hours a day?

I didn't think I listened to it that much...

Oh, a spamtroll thread. Goody! :rolleyes:
Trollgaard
22-06-2007, 20:01
LMFAO!

I listen to black metal, some of the most satanic and anti-christian music ever created. I also listen to Viking metal, where quite a few of the songs are about killing Christians. Have I ever killed anyone? No. Will I kill someone because I hear it in a song, see it on tv, or see it in a movie? Hell no. I'm not a weak minded fool. I have my own beliefs and a will of my own.


Rock on everyone.

*gives the horns*
Durass
22-06-2007, 20:02
So basically, while God used to inspire artists in the middle ages and in the renaissance (Michelangelo and stuff). She fails to get in touch with the modern artists of today?

Actaully, most art of the classcal era was inspired by money,... it's just that outside royalty, most money belonged to the church.
Szanth
22-06-2007, 20:05
To be fair, pretty much every single one of the white teens in my area (including myself) listen to death metal.



Not true. As I Lay Dying fucking rocks.

Meh. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I haven't heard their music - but their name sucks. By that alone I'm put off from even giving them a chance, which makes me an elitist fuck, and I'm sort of fine with that.
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 20:06
I listen to rock music 6 hours a day?

I didn't think I listened to it that much...

Oh, a spamtroll thread. Goody! :rolleyes:

But spam is good and nutricious for the body, mind, and soul. I love spam! Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam and spam! Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Vikings!
VanBuren
22-06-2007, 20:06
So where does all this leave Christian death metal?

It's satanic too, if Mr. Chick is to be believed.
Chumblywumbly
22-06-2007, 20:06
I could believe that Bon Jovi's stylist in the 1980s was inspired by Satan:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3290/2960709443a2f343205oqb8.jpg
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 20:08
I could believe that Bon Jovi's stylist in the 1980s was inspired by Satan:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3290/2960709443a2f343205oqb8.jpg

That last guy on the right looks like Rowan Atkinson.
Darknovae
22-06-2007, 20:08
But spam is good and nutricious for the body, mind, and soul. I love spam! Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam and spam! Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Vikings!

Spam is good, but only in moderation (not Moderation, but moderation) and not mixed with trolling.

And that post has excessive spam.
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 20:11
Socratic Ignorance?

Ignorance of Socrates' concepts and ideas?
Brutland and Norden
22-06-2007, 20:12
Socratic Ignorance?
Ignorance due to excessive hemlock drinking?

EDIT: Jolt hates Ifreann... always a victim of time warp... ;)
Ifreann
22-06-2007, 20:12
Question! Is Socratic Ignorance trolling?

Socratic Ignorance?
Snafturi
22-06-2007, 20:16
It's satanic too, if Mr. Chick is to be believed.

Can't you see this world's illusions of life
It's not gonna last. You won't survive
We're all destined to the grave
Unless we call upon God to save
us from eternal death.
The illusion of life is that you think you're safe
without the Lord and His saving grace
While you think you've got safety and peace
Your lifes suddenly over no more mercy
Hell awaits you, it's too late.
Yup, that's satanic all right.
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2007, 20:17
Saint-Saens is not hardcore. Tchaikovsky -- No! Stravinsky is hardcore!

Bah. Modernists. Barely music. :p

Now Berlioz, he was hardcore.
Chumblywumbly
22-06-2007, 20:18
its also plagiarism.... which is illegal:sniper:
Copyright infringement maybe, but plagiarism per se isn't.

And it certainly doesn't warrant a sniper smilie.
Naeraotahznm
22-06-2007, 20:19
Isn't copying and pasting an article without so much as giving personal opinion considered spamming?



its also plagiarism.... which is illegal:sniper:
VanBuren
22-06-2007, 20:20
its also plagiarism.... which is illegal:sniper:

Not plagiarism, since I didn't claim it as my own. At the end, you can notice I gave a link.
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2007, 20:21
Berliotz? Madness! All I know is Berlioz!

Damn. Fixed. Forgive me, I'm an ignorant American teenager being seduced by satan.
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 20:22
Bah. Modernists. Barely music. :p

Now Berliotz, he was hardcore.

Berliotz? Madness! All I know is Berlioz!
Szanth
22-06-2007, 20:23
Berliotz? Madness! All I know is Berlioz!

THIS IS SPARTA! *kick*
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2007, 20:25
Not plagiarism, since I didn't claim it as my own. At the end, you can notice I gave a link.

I beleive you are supposed to add your own comments as well, and not blockquote the whole article. Elsewise it is plagiarism.
VanBuren
22-06-2007, 20:26
I beleive you are supposed to add your own comments as well, and not blockquote the whole article. Elsewise it is plagiarism.

You mean I can't claim that it left me speechless?
Telesha
22-06-2007, 20:27
I beleive you are supposed to add your own comments as well, and not blockquote the whole article. Elsewise it is plagiarism.

Nah, plagiarism is claiming someone else's work as your own. He cited the source of the article, showing that it wasn't his.
Mbulu
22-06-2007, 20:27
Wow, if any of that religion bullshit existed, I'd be going to hell. But it only exists when I want it to. I listen to a lot of things, mostly metal, but throw in some goth rock and some industrial, and you get what I listen to on a daily basis. Right now I'm listening to Iced Earth, and the song "Damien" has a wonderful interlude that goes like this,

"Nazarene, what can you offer?
Since the hour you vomited forth from the gaping womb of a woman
You have done nothing but drown men's soaring desires
In a delusion of sick sanctimonious morality
I was conceived of a jackal
Your pain on the cross was but a splinter compared to the agony of my father
I will drive deeper the thorns into your rancid carcass
You profaner of Isis
Cursed Nazarene
I will avenge thy torment"

Yup, definitely going straight to wherever the hell I want.

*Gives the Horns*

(Afterthought: You know what would be funny? If I sacrificed something to Jesus.)
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2007, 20:29
You mean I can't claim that it left me speechless?

Not exactly. You could easily put the important parts of the article (btw, tl;dr) in quote form, and offer the comment, "Man, this is so funny that it left me speachless" or something. But copy-paste without comment is plagiarism.
Szanth
22-06-2007, 20:30
Wow, if any of that religion bullshit existed, I'd be going to hell. But it only exists when I want it to. I listen to a lot of things, mostly metal, but throw in some goth rock and some industrial, and you get what I listen to on a daily basis. Right now I'm listening to Iced Earth, and the song "Damien" has a wonderful interlude that goes like this,

"Nazarene, what can you offer?
Since the hour you vomited forth from the gaping womb of a woman
You have done nothing but drown men's soaring desires
In a delusion of sick sanctimonious morality
I was conceived of a jackal
Your pain on the cross was but a splinter compared to the agony of my father
I will drive deeper the thorns into your rancid carcass
You profaner of Isis
Cursed Nazarene
I will avenge thy torment"

Yup, definitely going straight to wherever the hell I want.

*Gives the Horns*

(Afterthought: You know what would be funny? If I sacrificed something to Jesus.)

You're such an inspiration
For the ways that I will
Never, ever choose to be
Oh so many ways for me to show you
How your savior has abandoned you

Fuck your God, your Lord, your Christ
He did this, took all you had and
Left you this way, still you pray, never stray, never
Taste of the fruit, never thought to question "why?"

It's not like you killed someone
It's not like you drove a hateful spear into his side
Praise the one who left you broken down and paralyzed

He did it all for you...
He did it all for you...

Oh so many ways for me to show you
How you dogma has abandoned you

Pray to your Christ, to your God
Never taste of the fruit, never stray, never break, never
Choke on a lie even though he's the one who
Did this to you, you never thought to question "why?"

It's not like you killed someone
It's not like you drove a spiteful spear into his side
Talk to Jesus Christ as if he knows the reasons why

He did it all for you...
He did it all for you...
He did it all for you



I'm goin to heaven. =)
Ghost Tigers Rise
22-06-2007, 20:37
You're such an inspiration
For the ways that I will
Never, ever choose to be
Oh so many ways for me to show you
How your savior has abandoned you

Fuck your God, your Lord, your Christ
He did this, took all you had and
Left you this way, still you pray, never stray, never
Taste of the fruit, never thought to question "why?"

It's not like you killed someone
It's not like you drove a hateful spear into his side
Praise the one who left you broken down and paralyzed

He did it all for you...
He did it all for you...

Oh so many ways for me to show you
How you dogma has abandoned you

Pray to your Christ, to your God
Never taste of the fruit, never stray, never break, never
Choke on a lie even though he's the one who
Did this to you, you never thought to question "why?"

It's not like you killed someone
It's not like you drove a spiteful spear into his side
Talk to Jesus Christ as if he knows the reasons why

He did it all for you...
He did it all for you...
He did it all for you



I'm goin to heaven. =)

Maynard's shite without Danny and Adam.

Some say the end is near.
Some say well see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call la
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. any fucking day.
Learn to swim, Ill see you down in arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your cable and
Fret for your car.
Its a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call la
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. any fucking day.
Learn to swim, Ill see you down in arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say well see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
Ive a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

Moms gonna fix it all soon.
Moms comin round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

Fuck l ron hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all those gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz Im praying for rain
And Im praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna watch it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Dont just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.
I cant imagine why you wouldnt
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.

Now that's a message I can support. :D
Small House-Plant
22-06-2007, 20:41
Please tell me you're being ironic... Please?
United Chicken Kleptos
22-06-2007, 20:42
THIS IS SPARTA! *kick*

noes!!

*falls into a giant pit*
Szanth
22-06-2007, 20:43
Maynard's shite without Danny and Adam.



Faaaail. Maynard writes the song, and he sings the song. He is the song. If you've ever heard any of Maynard's solo-collaborative works (with, for instance, Deftones) you know he kicks ass and takes names with whoever he's with, and even if he's by himself (as shown by "Fiddle and the Drum").
Frisbeeteria
22-06-2007, 20:46
But if I'd commented, people would know I didn't believe it. Where's the fun in not misleading people?

Isn't copying and pasting an article without so much as giving personal opinion considered spamming?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't trolling making comments intended to provoke an angry response?

My intention wasn't to provoke an angry response. I posted it mainly out of sheer curiosity. Far from specifically seeking an angry response, I simply wanted to find out what the response would have been.

Around here, we consider posting without comments to be either trolling or spam. Both are against the rules of these forums. Please don't do this sort of thing again, or we'll be forced to take official notice.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
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