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Bush pledges to increase US funding of Israel --Yitzhak Benhorin--
06.20.07, 17:52

WASHINGTON – In a White House statement issued following Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's visit to Washington, President George W. Bush pledged to increase US military aid to Israel over the course of the next decade.

An American team will land in Israel in July to finalize the deal. Israel currently receives an annual $2.4 billion in military aid.

"I am strongly committed to Israel's security and viability as a Jewish state, and to the maintenance of its qualitative military edge," said Bush in the statement.

Olmert and Bush met in private for a lengthy three-hour meeting in the White House, focused on the ongoing negotiations to increase US aid to Israel.

Sources: Yahoo/Wews.com/Yedioth/OccNEWS
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3415479,00.html

some of that money is going to be used for nukes Chemical and Bio weapons ..IMO

What makes you say that?

What, it's not like the country he's running has a deficit or anything...

Think of it this way.

In the last 7 years Israel has started 2 fewer wars than the US. Them having the money just means that there is less money for the US to go galavanting around the world.

some of that money is going to be used for nukes Chemical and Bio weapons ..IMO

Maybe, maybe not. Chem and Bio are unlikely - they're both bad things to get caught with politically, and poor deterrants. The first is too easily countered, the second far too likely to backfire.

As for nukes...a nation in the situation Israel is in would be mad NOT to have a nuclear deterrant.

Think of it this way.

In the last 7 years Israel has started 2 fewer wars than the US. Them having the money just means that there is less money for the US to go galavanting around the world.sound like a good strategy.. give less money to warmonger govs.

and for starters.. zero dollars to the Middle East .. until there is some lasting peace.

Think of it this way.

In the last 7 years Israel has started 2 fewer wars than the US. Them having the money just means that there is less money for the US to go galavanting around the world.

A little thing like not having money certainly isn't going to keep us from spending it.

Ok, why are we giving them money? I mean seriously why do Israel (A first class nation) is receiving money from the US? All this is going to do is make a bad situation (the instability in the Middle East) worse. I bet you five bucks that the President of Iran will use this as an excuse to make another rant about how he's going to Nuke Israel.

Ok, why are we giving them money? I mean seriously why do Israel (A first class nation) is receiving money from the US? All this is going to do is make a bad situation (the instability in the Middle East) worse. I bet you five bucks that the President of Iran will use this as an excuse to make another rant about how he's going to Nuke Israel.

Another rant....but if he's unsure of the nuclear capabilities of Israel.....he might just stick with ranting.....

geez have you seen how the dollar is in the crapper lately?

we HAVE to give israel more money just to give them the same amount!

Maybe, maybe not. Chem and Bio are unlikely - they're both bad things to get caught with politically, and poor deterrants. The first is too easily countered, the second far too likely to backfire.




El Al Flight 1862, which crashed in the Netherlands in 1992, was carrying cargo destined for the Israel Institute for Biological Research which included 190 litres of dimethyl methylphosphonate, used in the synthesis of Sarin nerve gas. The shipment was from a U.S. chemical plant under a U.S. Department of Commerce licence. Dimethyl methylphosphonate is now a Chemical Weapons Convention schedule 2 chemical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Institute_for_Biological_Research

Ok, why are we giving them money? I mean seriously why do Israel (A first class nation) is receiving money from the US? All this is going to do is make a bad situation (the instability in the Middle East) worse. I bet you five bucks that the President of Iran will use this as an excuse to make another rant about how he's going to Nuke Israel.

We're giving them money for two reasons. First, and most important, there's a strong domestic drive to support Israel, so Bush want's to keep them on side. Second, Israel is a sign to the rest of the world: If you're our ally, we'll back you to the hilt, even if we don't entirely agree with your policies. By supporting Israel, we're sending a message that we won't abandon our allies. Given the tension between us and Europe at the moment, probably a good thing.

geez have you seen how the dollar is in the crapper lately?

we HAVE to give israel more money just to give them the same amount!

OOoorr we could not give them any money, and tell them that they're on their own financially, and try to make the dollar stronger again. I mean we don't give money to any other first class countries like France and Great Britain, so why give them to Israel?

I am going to start the "Stop Financing Israel" movement, who's with me?

geez have you seen how the dollar is in the crapper lately?

we HAVE to give israel more money just to give them the same amount!


Well, theres not many of the right kind of 'El Presidente's in Latin America anymore..and all their friends who did night work with vans and rifles..It has to go somewhere or Its just sitting there, burnin a hole in the collective pocket...If it was left too long some crazed lunatic might suggest there was something in America that needed Government funds...

Another rant....but if he's unsure of the nuclear capabilities of Israel.....he might just stick with ranting.....

It's hardly unsurety, it's common knowledge that Israel has nuclear capabilities enough to nuke the nations around them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Institute_for_Biological_Research

I don't doubt it. But don't forget that it's perfectly allowable under the various treaties to manufacture small quantities of the stuff in order to carry out counter-agent and protective items testing. I know that the US, Australia and Great Britain all do so.

Plus, IIRC, Dimethyl methylphosphonate was not a controlled substance then, and for all I know may well have other purposes too.

I just find it hard to see what Israel would get from making Chem-weapons. They're cranky, difficult to use properly, and come with such a huge diplomatic price tag that you're far better off without them.

We're giving them money for two reasons. First, and most important, there's a strong domestic drive to support Israel, so Bush want's to keep them on side. Second, Israel is a sign to the rest of the world: If you're our ally, we'll back you to the hilt, even if we don't entirely agree with your policies. By supporting Israel, we're sending a message that we won't abandon our allies. Given the tension between us and Europe at the moment, probably a good thing.

The only problem with this is the conflicting messages being sent out. At the moment you have the US supporting Israel because they have common enemies. Not so long ago the US was supporting Saddam Hussain because they had a common enemy and look how well that turned out for old Saddam.

I mean we don't give money to any other first class countries like France and Great Britain,
No we dont give them money.. It would not make any sense.

so why give them to Israel? Good question.

who's with me?I am. for the reasons you stated.

The only problem with this is the conflicting messages being sent out. At the moment you have the US supporting Israel because they have common enemies. Not so long ago the US was supporting Saddam Hussain because they had a common enemy and look how well that turned out for old Saddam.
The US has been subsidizing Israel for decades.

We're giving them money for two reasons. First, and most important, there's a strong domestic drive to support Israel, so Bush want's to keep them on side. Second, Israel is a sign to the rest of the world: If you're our ally, we'll back you to the hilt, even if we don't entirely agree with your policies. By supporting Israel, we're sending a message that we won't abandon our allies. Given the tension between us and Europe at the moment, probably a good thing.

Instead of just giving Israel money, why don't we, I don't know umm...start a trade relations with them? It's a crazy thought I know.

The US has been subsidizing Israel for decades.

I know, my point was that if one of the reason the US was increasing aid to Israel was as a sign to its' allies that it would back them to the hilt then the message its' foreign policy is sending to the world right now is more than a little muddled.

Instead of just giving Israel money, why don't we, I don't know umm...start a trade relations with them? It's a crazy thought I know.

What does Israel have that the US wants or can't get cheaper elsewhere?

I don't doubt it. But don't forget that it's perfectly allowable under the various treaties to manufacture small quantities of the stuff in order to carry out counter-agent and protective items testing. I know that the US, Australia and Great Britain all do so.

Plus, IIRC, Dimethyl methylphosphonate was not a controlled substance then, and for all I know may well have other purposes too.

I just find it hard to see what Israel would get from making Chem-weapons. They're cranky, difficult to use properly, and come with such a huge diplomatic price tag that you're far better off without them.
I'm fairly sure they used White Phosphorus in Lebanon, for what it's worth, but only against, military targets. I'm not sure what the legal status of that is.

Think of it this way.

In the last 7 years Israel has started 2 fewer wars than the US. Them having the money just means that there is less money for the US to go galavanting around the world.

we havnt had that money since the first four months that bush took office. because of the enormus deficit, any money we give or spend, we dont really have. we should fix our own problems before we start helping others with theirs. i guess bush thinks we can just keep going into debt, and just let the next president handle it :headbang:

is a sign to the rest of the world: If you're our ally, we'll (give you2 billions a year), even if we don't entirely agree with your policies.
it looks to me like something is wrong with your vision of the word "ally".. did you have to "buy" your friends at school..

A real Friend is one that will NOT need a contract.. saying how many millions you are going to give him in the next ten years.

.... find it hard to see what Israel would get from making Chem-weapons. They're cranky, difficult to use properly, and come with such a huge diplomatic price tag that you're far better off without them.

They have somewhere between 200 and 400 warheads. They don't have to have inspectors in, or any of that international monitoring stuff. Obviously theres virtually no "diplomatic price tag" for what they do because their big friend has the Veto. They are asked to be discrete by the US, and they usually are.

Instead of just giving Israel money, why don't we, I don't know umm...start a trade relations with them? It's a crazy thought I know.

you would be an awesome president, better than the one we have now

What does Israel have that the US wants or can't get cheaper elsewhere?

The very thought that Sharon had (before the Iraq escapade went tits up for the time being). 'One day, we'll be surplus to requirements'....'better get finalising things quick'.

Well, theres not many of the right kind of 'El Presidente's in Latin America anymore..and all their friends who did night work with vans and rifles..It has to go somewhere or Its just sitting there, burnin a hole in the collective pocket...If it was left too long some crazed lunatic might suggest there was something in America that needed Government funds...

exactly! all the coolest bad boys of latin america are not our friends. (dammit!) so we cant spend money on THEM. not that we dont spend some money down there, just not all that much now that we dont have to worry that nicaragua is going to become a world power and invade us (or whatever paranoid fantasy was popular with the regan administration)

so why not send it to our only true friend in the world who might need some extra cash?

You know, if Israel ceases to exist there will most likely be a long and bloody guerilla war, and it most likely wont be confined to the Middle East.
Remember, the Israelis practically invented 'modern' terrorism.

so why not send it to (Israel) our only true friend in the world..Interesting.. You -are convinced- you have only one "true friend in the World."
...

.. who might need some extra cash?Every country needs some extra cash..
Some like Israel need it to buy even more Bombs and Tanks.. And others in Africa need it to save lives.. AIDS control or to feed some starving children.

Elsewhere there is emergencies Like: Katrina, New Orleans Levies, Tsunamis, earthquakes, etc.

It's hardly unsurety, it's common knowledge that Israel has nuclear capabilities enough to nuke the nations around them.

They never said they have nuclear weapons....and I've never had a reason to doubt that....[sarcasm]

Every country needs some extra cash..
Some like Israel need it to buy even more Bombs and Tanks.. And others in Africa need it for AIDS or to feed some starving children.

Who cares about some stupid African children? :p

some of that money is going to be used for nukes Chemical and Bio weapons ..IMO

Considering Israel doesn't even have a chemical or bio program, I'd say you just are spewing whatever random baseless hate you can without actually looking at the situation or any real facts. Just a guess.

Then there is also the fact that Israel has a large non-WMD to spend money on, and you have zero basis to say they won't, you know, spend it on that.

Considering Israel doesn't even have a chemical or bio program, I'd say you just are spewing whatever random baseless hate you can without actually looking at the situation or any real facts. Just a guess.


Strange the US is 100% sure they have them then, according to Appendix 2a here.....
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/ota/disk1/1993/9341_n.html

Maybe if you looked at the situation and the real facts before spewing baseless denials.....

A little thing like not having money certainly isn't going to keep us from spending it.

lolz...you win this thread...

Strange the US is 100% sure they have them then, according to Appendix 2a here.....
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/ota/disk1/1993/9341_n.html

Maybe if you looked at the situation and the real facts before spewing baseless denials.....

The document you provided does not say they have chemical or biological weapons. Read what it actually says it is listing. Also, find a document that is more up to date than intelligence concerns from 15 or so years ago. I could find a document saying that Russia had thousands of MIRV ICBM missiles from that time period, it would not be correct for today.

Maybe, maybe not. Chem and Bio are unlikely - they're both bad things to get caught with politically, and poor deterrants. The first is too easily countered, the second far too likely to backfire.

Didn't an artillery shell that was fired off in the conflict with Hezbollah contain white phosphorous?

EDIT: Wait, New Burmecia beat me to it.

Why not give me a billion or so USD?

Didn't an artillery shell that was fired off in the conflict with Hezbollah contain white phosphorous?

EDIT: Wait, New Burmecia beat me to it.

Why not give me a billion or so USD?

White Phosphorus is highly disputed as to whether or not it is a chemical weapon. There is no consensus saying it is.

As for giving you a billion USD or so, are you a democratic country that if collapsing would mean massive destabilization throughout the region?

As for giving you a billion USD or so, are you a democratic country that if collapsing would mean massive destabilization throughout the region?

*Secedes from Australia* Now I am :D .

Anyway the main point is that Israel doesn't need the cash.

If Israel suddenly disappeared as a state tomorrow (and no Israeli guerilla forces were formed) would that destabilise the region a lot?

As for giving you a billion USD or so, are you a democratic country that if collapsing would mean massive destabilization throughout the region?

I dont think even to most hardened Zionist believes that.

$2.4 billion in military aid.

Why doesn't the U.S. Mint just burn the money as it's being produced? Bit of a time-saver, there.

Be nice if Israel would do its part to stop the circle of violence with the Palestinians and everytime they pull of some dumbass stunt and kill of bunch of civilians we cut some of their funding. Maybe they will shape up if they see they could lose their sugar daddy.

some of that money is going to be used for nukes Chemical and Bio weapons ..IMO

Your "O" is worth exactly that.

Well of course the Republicans know that if they don't keep supporting the illegal regime occupying Jerusalem, that the Zionist controlled media will assure they won't win any elections for a long time.

If Israel suddenly disappeared as a state tomorrow (and no Israeli guerilla forces were formed) would that destabilise the region a lot?

Like nothing you've ever seen.

I dont think even to most hardened Zionist believes that.

This has nothing to do with Zionism. The people in Israel could be Hindu, it wouldn't matter. The fact is what the political and strategic climate in the region currently is, and what the removal of a major democratic power their would do.

Well of course the Republicans know that if they don't keep supporting the illegal regime occupying Jerusalem, that the Zionist controlled media will assure they won't win any elections for a long time.

Wow. Just wow.

Well of course the Republicans know that if they don't keep supporting the illegal regime occupying Jerusalem, that the Zionist controlled media will assure they won't win any elections for a long time.


Oh noes, the ebil jooz are controlling everything! I guess its too bad the Holocaust missed some of them, or we'd have someone else controlling our media, they'd give it to us straight! Unlike those ebil jooz!

As for giving you a billion USD or so, are you a democratic country that if collapsing would mean massive destabilization throughout the region?massive destabilization ??

Like nothing you've ever seen.Oh noes, I am so scared now.. please Ill give Israel one million every week.. just please dont make the massive destabilization thingie :rolleyes:

Oh noes, the ebil jooz are controlling everything! I guess its too bad the Holocaust missed some of them, or we'd have someone else controlling our media, they'd give it to us straight! Unlike those ebil jooz!

Silly, the Holocaust didn't happen. :rolleyes:

Silly, the Holocaust didn't happen. :rolleyes:

Right. I keep forgetting that. The Zionists control the education system as well. Have to remember to ignore their propaganda that they taught me in high school.

*vents mind*

Because if there's one thing Israel is low on, it's things to kill Arabs with.

AIPAC is a powerful lobby group...

I'm fairly sure they used White Phosphorus in Lebanon, for what it's worth, but only against, military targets. I'm not sure what the legal status of that is.

White Phos is kinda iffy. It occupies the same grey area as .50 machine guns and combat shotguns - technically banned, but everyone has them, everyone uses them and everyone lies about it.

As long as you only use it on military targets nobody's really gonna care.

AIPAC is a powerful lobby group...

So powerful that even after they got caught spying on the U.S. and passing industrial espionage info to Israel they're still around lobbying.

Let's eliminate foreign aid altogether. Keep the money where it belongs - in its owners' pockets.

Isreal's got a great credit rating with the US...in fact, they're the only country out there that continually pays us back, with interest, and has never, ever defaulted. Not only that, but Israeli tech and defense sector developments routinely benefit the United States.

Let's eliminate foreign aid altogether. Keep the money where it belongs - in its owners' pockets.

QFT!

Let's eliminate foreign aid altogether. Keep the money where it belongs - in its owners' pockets.

Indeed, ask any common person and I am sure he'd far more prefer to pay his bills, have more money, have free healthcare/childcare, welfare, subsides, rebates etc etc than ridiculous amounts of military hardware and an exorbitantly expensive interventionist foreign policy that doesn't give him any benefit.

Indeed, ask any common person and I am sure he'd far more prefer to pay his bills, have more money, have free healthcare/childcare, welfare, subsides, rebates etc etc than ridiculous amounts of military hardware and an exorbitantly expensive interventionist foreign policy that doesn't give him any benefit.

The whole Israeli foreign aid is like a form of corporate welfare. Israel's staunch defenders brag about the nation having the most advanced military in the region and having the sole nuclear arsenal that can wipe the floor with any damn dirty carpet-kneeling rock thrower, so why do they need free Apaches?

some of that money is going to be used for nukes Chemical and Bio weapons ..IMO

Why have Chemical and bio weapons when you have nukes?

Besides, it dosnt matter if Israel has nukes or not, the US would nuke anyone who attempts a large scale attack on Israel in a heartbeat.

Why have Chemical and bio weapons when you have nukes?

Besides, it dosnt matter if Israel has nukes or not, the US would nuke anyone who attempts a large scale attack on Israel in a heartbeat.

Somehow I doubt it, especially considering Pakistan.

have free healthcare/childcare, welfare, subsides

You can hardly call that "keeping money in its owners' pockets." Those things require fleecing people just as much as foreign aid and the military-industrial complex do.

we havnt had that money since the first four months that bush took office. because of the enormus deficit, any money we give or spend, we dont really have. we should fix our own problems before we start helping others with theirs. i guess bush thinks we can just keep going into debt, and just let the next president handle it :headbang:

The deficit dropped almost 200 billion dollars this year.


Wow, imagine that, lower taxes, government goes into deficit but then recovers when the economy picks up.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/78xx/doc7878/03-21-PresidentsBudget.pdf

Figure 1-1.

Well of course the Republicans know that if they don't keep supporting the illegal regime occupying Jerusalem, that the Zionist controlled media will assure they won't win any elections for a long time.

Israel is a recognized state by the UN, infact, the state of Israel is created by a UN resolution, so much for being illegal.

Let's eliminate foreign aid altogether. Keep the money where it belongs - in its owners' pockets.

You'd have to eliminate a hell of a lot more than foreign aid for that.

. Also, find a document that is more up to date than intelligence concerns from 15 or so years ago. I could find a document saying that Russia had thousands of MIRV ICBM missiles from that time period, it would not be correct for today.

2 years ago?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/cbw.htm (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=12797788)

And the plane with Chemical agents in the Netherlands in 1998?

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Isreal's got a great credit rating with the US...in fact, they're the only country out there that continually pays us back, with interest, and has never, ever defaulted. Not only that, but Israeli tech and defense sector developments routinely benefit the United States..

Indeed, American support of Israel has long since surpassed the old American veto protection of Apartheid era South Africa as a source of respect, trust and status amongst the nations of the world.


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Israel is a recognized state by the UN, infact, the state of Israel is created by a UN resolution, so much for being illegal..

I'd imagine hes referring to the illegal occupation of Arab East Jerusalem, declared so by a UN resolution and the votes of 98% of the recognised states of the world

The deficit dropped almost 200 billion dollars this year.


Wow, imagine that, lower taxes, government goes into deficit but then recovers when the economy picks up.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/78xx/doc7878/03-21-PresidentsBudget.pdf

Figure 1-1.



Israel is a recognized state by the UN, infact, the state of Israel is created by a UN resolution, so much for being illegal.


That still leaves a rather heft chunk of deficit, and I'm noticing that the minuses in the totals column don't stop coming, certainly not a justification for handing out money to those who don't need it.

Nodinia, Apartheid South Africa also helped Israel test and develop nuclear weapons, you know, kind of a shared values thing.

I am aware of it yes. There were even rumours of a test detonation at one stage.

Why have Chemical and bio weapons when you have nukes?The Generals always want new toys.. specially when there is money flooding in.

some of that money is going to be used for nukes Chemical and Bio weapons ..IMO

Given that the IDF was woefully unprepared for the war against Hezbollah, both in terms of training and equipment, I think the Israelis will find a better use for it. Israel already has enough nuclear weapons and biological weapons are a complete liability.

Oh, and the US funds Israel because very few world leaders have woken up to the fact that the Cold War is over, it keeps the Religious Right happy too.

What does Israel have that the US wants or can't get cheaper elsewhere?

High-tech electronics and research, especially counter-terrorist research.

As you might have noticed, Israel has had one or two scuffles with terrorist groups over the years, and there's a lot of work done in Israeli universities to develop technologies to give Israel the edge over suicide bombers and the like. Facial recognition software, explosives detection systems, new medical techniques for treating the victims of terrorist attacks etc.

High-tech electronics and research, especially counter-terrorist research.

As you might have noticed, Israel has had one or two scuffles with terrorist groups over the years, and there's a lot of work done in Israeli universities to develop technologies to give Israel the edge over suicide bombers and the like. Facial recognition software, explosives detection systems, new medical techniques for treating the victims of terrorist attacks etc.

And excellent arms.

Well of course the Republicans know that if they don't keep supporting the illegal regime occupying Jerusalem, that the Zionist controlled media will assure they won't win any elections for a long time.

Replacing 'Jewish' with 'Zionist' doesn't make your delusions any less silly.

High-tech electronics and research, especially counter-terrorist research.

As you might have noticed, Israel has had one or two scuffles with terrorist groups over the years, and there's a lot of work done in Israeli universities to develop technologies to give Israel the edge over suicide bombers and the like. Facial recognition software, explosives detection systems, new medical techniques for treating the victims of terrorist attacks etc.


They ever try not occupying their land?

And excellent arms.

Not to mention computers. I love it when people use the internet to claim that nothing useful comes out of Israel or to call for a boycott of Israeli products, because parts of the computer they're using were almost certainly either built or designed in Israel. It's rather like getting up on a soap box to demand an end to free speech.

They ever try not occupying their land?

I'd be happy to suggest that as a strategy for getting out of Iraq, and I'll only charge the US taxpayer $500,000 for my work.

to call for a boycott of Israeli products, because parts of the computer they're using were almost certainly either built or designed in Israel.


And why would that be a reason to try to prevent anyone from sourcing, buying Israeli products? They are a "wrong doer" much as the PRC or Burma.

What does Israel have that the US wants or can't get cheaper elsewhere?
High-tech electronics and research, especially counter-terrorist research.Yeah, I can see how all this know-how is helping US win the war in Iraq :rolleyes:

I love it when people use the internet to claim that nothing useful comes out of Israel.what? Israel invented the Internet? :D

I wonder if the yanks will invade Israel sometime in the future.They gave Saddam money, they gave the Taliban money...And look what happened.

And why would that be a reason to try to prevent anyone from sourcing, buying Israeli products? They are a "wrong doer" much as the PRC or Burma.

Using Israeli technology to call for a boycott of Israel is rather hypocritical, not to mention ineffective.

Why have Chemical and bio weapons when you have nukes?

Besides, it dosnt matter if Israel has nukes or not, the US would nuke anyone who attempts a large scale attack on Israel in a heartbeat.

Yeah, like we did back in '67!

Yeah, I can see how all this know-how is helping US win the war in Iraq :rolleyes:

You know, ovengloves are a great invention and they're really useful, but if you leap into a volcano then they're not going to help you. As I understand it, most of the technology is being used for homeland security at airports rather than in the field anyway.

because parts of the computer they're using were almost certainly either built or designed in Israel. Most of my Computer was built by the Chinese. (just like most Computers) and my Monitor is made in Korea.

Yeah, like we did back in '67!

And '73. The US may be fond of Israel but I doubt they're going to start a nuclear war out of spite.

Most of my Computer was built by the Chinese. (just like most Computers) and my Monitor is made in Korea.

Israel designs and makes a lot of microprocessors, they have one of the largest branches of Intel outside of the US. Even if your computer doesn't have parts manufactured in Israel, it's probably running software which was designed there by Microsoft.

what? Israel invented the Internet? :D

Cute, but you probably should have read the rest of my post...

Israel designs and makes a lot of microprocessors, they have one of the largest branches of Intel outside of the US. Even if your computer doesn't have parts manufactured in Israel, it's probably running software which was designed there by Microsoft.


And now that people are aware of that, why shouldnt they use that knowledge to campaign against Israeli hardware, software, and multinationals basing themselves there?

And now that people are aware of that, why shouldnt they use that knowledge to campaign against Israeli hardware, software, and multinationals basing themselves there?

No reason they shouldn't, but you have to admit it would seem a touch hypocritical to be using that same hardware and software to make the complaints.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the Maxim photoshoot of women Israeli soldiers. Like a boobs for bucks trade or something.

No reason they shouldn't, but you have to admit it would seem a touch hypocritical to be using that same hardware and software to make the complaints.


Not if they bought it not knowing or can't find an alternative. Even if a boycott fails to directly effect the target economically the questions raised can often bring wider awareness of the issues. This is particularily important when trying to counter the "cloak of respectability" that superpower protection can afford.

Not if they bought it not knowing or can't find an alternative. Even if a boycott fails to directly effect the target economically the questions raised can often bring wider awareness of the issues. This is particularily important when trying to counter the "cloak of respectability" that superpower protection can afford.

Yeah, I guess it's not hypocrisy if you don't know. And I certainly don't oppose any attempt to mitigate our current "might makes right" international political situation.

it's probably running software which was designed there by Microsoft.LOL.. a friend of mine working @ Microsoft told me Bill Gates is Jewish. I tough he was kidding.

LOL.. a friend of mine working @ Microsoft told me Bill Gates is Jewish. I tough he was kidding.

Oh right, Jewish conspiracy! :eek:

Oh right, Jewish conspiracy! :eek:LOL.. funny zhit :D

Why give more money to Israel when it could be spent so much better here!

What has Israel done to deserve such a thing? Democratic elections, relatively low extremism, leaving the Palestinians to self-government? What are those? Israel is a warmonger is sea of reason, justice, and peaceful countries. It has done nothing since its advent there then be a blight on the landscape of brotherly comradeship.

France has done the right thing; they always call it way before anyone knows what the right choice was. Yes they may have supplied the weapons it took for Israel to make its pre-emptive, hate filled attack against the poor Egyptians, Jordan, and Syrians. Yet once it became clear that Israel was what is was, they dropped all ties. Remember, France knows all about diplomacy and war, it is the unrivaled hero of the twentieth century.

The money could be spent on so many more projects, like more welfare, more grants to people who profess their love the brother man. Maybe even more to the UN, maybe we should spend more on granting even more money to teachers and government servants, err, I mean, government employees (sorry, the term has only changed in the last 5 years or so, I guess servant made people think it was the government employee's responsibility to improve others, or some such).

Therefore, overall, that totalitarian popularly elected government should not get any more money from us. Once again, another failure by Bush, he is trying to make democracy through the worst viable channel, pick any others President, any. Like Pakistan, or maybe Iran, both states have backing of credible sponsors. Like Vladimir Putin.

What has Israel done to deserve such a thing?

Torture as official policy, colonialism, institutionalised racism in the occupied territories, being the cause of terrorism indirectly, sponsoring terrorism (christian militias),

[QUOTE=CoallitionOfTheWilling;12799022]The deficit dropped almost 200 billion dollars this year.


Wow, imagine that, lower taxes, government goes into deficit but then recovers when the economy picks up.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/78xx/doc7878/03-21-PresidentsBudget.pdf

bush has done nothing productive for our economy. oil prices fluctuate every day. yesterday in my area, they went up .25 cents in three days. every thing he has promised us, he has not delivered on. giving money to isreal is well and good, but we need the money or a few things first, like cleaning up after katrina, giving helth care to the millions who go sick because they an't afford medicine, public education, or paying for this ridiculus war in iraq, the money could be better spent in afganistan, fighting the source of the terrorists

some of that money is going to be used for nukes Chemical and Bio weapons ..IMO

So?

It's not like we are selling them to the Iraqis again or anything.

Why give more money to Israel when it could be spent so much better here! yeah.. education and heathcare can be better.

von Snippity

Exactly! What has Bush done? Nothing! A measly 1 billion dollars to just fix the levies is hardly enough to do anything. As for the rest of the money, well, I dunno, but it obviously isn't enough. We need to build brand new homes, furbish them with the best furniture and appliances, and get them the best jobs we can. People need the government's help, they just can't pull themselves up out of a hole, we need to pour money into it and help them out.

As for gas, well, duh, nationalizing. Make it free, yeah taxes will go through the roof but we can just tax people that make money. Yeah they'll go even higher as everybody reverts back to SUVs with gigantic add ons, but at least the oil companies will finally be serving their fellow bothers. Of course, the Greens will get mad, you know, no reason to invest in alternative fuel technologies when the current fuel is free, or just really cheap.

Same for the rest as medicine, price caps, free pills, the whole thing. Look at Canada, they're doing the right thing, yeah maybe they don't have the best equipment, yeah maybe more people die because the doctors don't really care. Yeah maybe the practice will get a lot poorer as only the true comrades around us will go into a profession that pays just as much as a prison guard, but hey, the jobless will get better healthcare then they've ever seen. For our fellow brothers!

More of the same for education.

Good brainstorming comrade, the world needs more thinkers like you!

Exactly! What has Bush done? Nothing! A measly 1 billion dollars to just fix the levies is hardly enough to do anything. As for the rest of the money, well, I dunno, but it obviously isn't enough. We need to build brand new homes (for the jewish settlers), furbish them with the best furniture and appliances, and get them the best jobs we can.Israel need the US taxpayers money, they just can't pull themselves up out of a hole, we need to pour money into it and help them out.uh-hum

uh-hum

Well comrade, you get the point. My individual mind does make mistakes like that, as you can see for yourself, human brother, our two minds obviously are better collectivly then singularly.

Well comrade, you get the point. My individual mind does make mistakes like that, as you can see for yourself, human brother, our two minds obviously are better collectivly then singularly.I am glad you agree with me.. comrade. :D

I am glad you agree with me.. comrade. :D

Disturb the comfortable, comfort the disturbed!

Strength through unity!

Slavery is Freedom!

For the collective whole!

Comrades! To glory!

For the collective whole!

Comrades! To glory!
enjoy "comrade"

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