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http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- The percentage of Americans with a "great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in Congress is at 14%, the lowest in Gallup's history of this measure -- and the lowest of any of the 16 institutions tested in this year's Confidence in Institutions survey. It is also one of the lowest confidence ratings for any institution tested over the last three decades.

Gallup's annual update on Americans' confidence in institutions shows that confidence ratings are generally down across the board compared with last year. The public's confidence ratings in several institutions, including Congress, are now at all-time low points in Gallup's history of this measure. These low ratings reflect the generally sour mood of the public at this time.

Of the 16 societal institutions tested in Gallup's 2007 update, Americans express the most confidence in the military. They have the least confidence in HMOs and Congress. Americans have much more confidence in "small" business than in "big" business.

Interestingly, if we get socialized medicine, it will be the same model of service as HMOs...

Note that the trust in the military is at 69%. So, when people hear Reid say that certain generals are idiots, do you think they believe Reid, or do you think they figure Reid is a clueless moron?

And?

Oh look, confidence in Congress is low. Duh. Though I notice no one ever did these topics when Republicans were in charge, thoguh they had the same low ratings. Sorry DK, but Myrmidonisia pulled the same bit a couple weeks ago.

Thought I remembered seeing him get his ass handed to him

Oh look, confidence in Congress is low. Duh. Though I notice no one ever did these topics when Republicans were in charge, thoguh they had the same low ratings. Sorry DK, but Myrmidonisia pulled the same bit a couple weeks ago.

Oh look, confidence in Congress is low. Duh. Though I notice no one ever did these topics when Republicans were in charge, thoguh they had the same low ratings. Sorry DK, but Myrmidonisia pulled the same bit a couple weeks ago.

Sorry, the ratings are even lower now than when the Republicans lost the House and Senate.

Sorry, the ratings are even lower now than when Myrmidonisia posted it.

Sorry that Reid and Pelosi are fuckups...

News: A statistically poor performer does a little worse ... more at 10

Sorry, the ratings are even lower now than when the Republicans lost the House and Senate.

Sorry, the ratings are even lower now than when Myrmidonisia posted it.

Sorry that Reid and Pelosi are fuckups...
If everyone is as close-minded and purposefully ignorant as you, no wonder.

And according to the time line, Congress totally hasn't been on a downward spiral at all :rolleyes:

You can go away and come back when you stop being hypocrites.

If everyone is as close-minded and purposefully ignorant as you, no wonder.

And according to the time line, Congress totally hasn't been on a downward spiral at all :rolleyes:

You can go away and come back when you stop being hypocrites.

Generally speaking, Americans have been skeptical about Congress for decades now. But the current 14% confidence rating for Congress is down from 19% last year and is the lowest in Gallup’s history, surpassing the 18% confidence in Congress measured in 1991, 1993 and 1994.

It's the lowest rating since 1973...

Are you not comfortable with the truth that it's going down, and is the lowest in history since the poll has been conducted?

Are you not comfortable with the truth that it's going down, and is the lowest in history since the poll has been conducted?
Are you not comfortable with accepting the fact you are a hypocrite? There were no posts last years by any "liberals" or you and the supposedly "moderate" Mymidonisia when the approval rating dropped to 19%.

And since people are as ignorant for you whether purposefully or just because they are ignorant, Congressional approving will only go down until either a non-Republican is voted into the presidency or enough Democrats are put in to override vetoes. The Congress has tried to do what it was elected do, even full well knowing the president would veto them and without enough voted to override it, they did it anyway. The Republicans have been kissing his ass for years which is why they were kicked out, too bad Americans are too fucking stupid to see the difference. Or rather, too bad the nation is too polarized. All the Republicans stop supporting Congress because it is Democrat led and most of the Democrats hold a fairly swing opinion because there is no true hardcore, unwavering base for Democrats as Republicans.

Are you not comfortable with the truth that it's going down, and is the lowest in history since the poll has been conducted?

Isn't the disillusionment related to the failure of the current Democrats to be sufficiently hostile to Bush/the Republicans?

Sorry, the ratings are even lower now than when the Republicans lost the House and Senate.

Sorry, the ratings are even lower now than when Myrmidonisia posted it.

Sorry that Reid and Pelosi are fuckups...

Wasn't this covered when you posted it as DK or EO?

A blind hatred that has absorbed and consumed anything even remotely intellegent. Something so obvious it shines through every new persona you create immediately. Something so pathetic anytime I see a thread with your name under it, I press my forehead against my hand hoping that it will be the very last.

At least you changed the signature that proved you to be EO. Don't go away mad, just go away.

Read your own source. It states that confidence in the President has been dropping concomitantly with confidence in Congress. It also states that confidence in the Supreme Court is at an all time low.

These trends are not indicative of either confidence in the Republican party or the Democratic party, but with the American political climate as a whole. Simply put, people just don't trust the government any more. It would seem no matter who you vote for the end result is pretty much the same.

From source:
http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr070621ii.gif

For the years succeding 9/11 confidence in the American government remains high as people are led into believing that the government is doing it's very best to protect it from such terror ever happening again. But after a few years, this confidence begins to drop off as this illusion begins to fade.

Simply put, people just don't trust the government any more.

Have we ever? Maybe for a bit during WWII, but that's about it.

Have we ever? Maybe for a bit during WWII, but that's about it.Well confidence in the president was at 58% in June 2002. So I'd say yes, you have. (that's you plural, as I'm not American)

Well confidence in the president was at 58% in June 2002. So I'd say yes, you have. (that's you plural, as I'm not American)

The President maybe, but not the government as a whole. I don't know that faith in Congress has gone anywhere near 50% in quite some time, if ever.

Not really surprised...the Democrats just seem to be Diet Republicans...

Lol dumb Americans don't understand the wisdom of their Congressional masters. It was a dumb idea to even give them freedom in the first place.

These trends are not indicative of either confidence in the Republican party or the Democratic party, but with the American political climate as a whole. Simply put, people just don't trust the government any more. It would seem no matter who you vote for the end result is pretty much the same.


QFT

But I think everybody needs to understand this. There are a lot of people who make excuses for the Democrat side of the Congress and blame Republicans (despite the Republicans being the minority party ATM) If Congressional approval is low, they blame the Republican President or the Republican side of the Congress. All that demonstrates is a slavish loyalty to a political party that's just as out of touch with the will of the American people as the President is.

Seems to me the incumbents on both sides have gotten a little too comfortable. Maybe Congress needs term limits, too.

Blaming the Republican President seems like the best reason as it stands. The Congress can't pass the bills it promised to pass, despite trying, because the President has vetoed them all, and even with minor Republican support, they wouldn't be over turnable, and that appears to be why the approval rating is dropping. It is hard to meet goals with some one standing in the way - it's like saying you are going to ride your bicycle a mile every day, then some one comes in and steals your bicycle chains. Sure, you still have a bicycle, but you arn't going anywhere.

Hmmm.... is it time for another round of nature's own Jeffersonian blood manure at the roots of the tree?

So, when people hear Reid say that certain generals are idiots, do you think they believe Reid, or do you think they figure Reid is a clueless moron?

Reed Richards?

As far as the 14% in Congress goes, all I have to say is one word: Lobbyist

Blaming the Republican President seems like the best reason as it stands. The Congress can't pass the bills it promised to pass, despite trying, because the President has vetoed them all, and even with minor Republican support, they wouldn't be over turnable, and that appears to be why the approval rating is dropping. It is hard to meet goals with some one standing in the way - it's like saying you are going to ride your bicycle a mile every day, then some one comes in and steals your bicycle chains. Sure, you still have a bicycle, but you arn't going anywhere.

The President has vetoed exactly 3 bills since he's been in office. 2 of those were on the same issue (stem cells). The third was war funding.

Didn't this shit crash and burn the last time someone tried it?

You're not nearly smart enough to pull it off RO.

The President has vetoed exactly 3 bills since he's been in office. 2 of those were on the same issue (stem cells). The third was war funding.

All of which had broad Democratic support and little Republican support. He went what six years without a veto? That's a record, and thankfully it's on record, the current fiscal mess can be laid right at his feet.

The third was war funding.
Which is the point. Democrats can't remove the troops from Iraq if the President vetoes any bill with "remove troops from Iraq within a reasonable amount of time" as a provision.

All of which had broad Democratic support and little Republican support. He went what six years without a veto? That's a record, and thankfully it's on record, the current fiscal mess can be laid right at his feet.

And?

If people are going to blame the president for Congress' poor performance 3 vetoes does not support that claim, especially when one of those 3 just came yesterday.

And?

If people are going to blame the president for Congress' poor performance 3 vetoes does not support that claim, especially when one of those 3 just came yesterday.
Threat of veto is equally as problematic. If they continue to try and get bills people want passed knowing they will be vetoed, they will be labeled as wasting time and dollars. If they don't, they will be (as they are now) labeled as not living up to their promises. It is lose, lose.

And two of those vetoes came under a Democratic Congress who is trying to turn the country around after years of ass-kissing. The President doesn't have to veto bills of the Congress is doing whatever he says he wants.

Hmmm.... is it time for another round of nature's own Jeffersonian blood manure at the roots of the tree?

has been for awhile, but maybe some more people might be up for it these days

And?

If people are going to blame the president for Congress' poor performance 3 vetoes does not support that claim, especially when one of those 3 just came yesterday.

Feel free to point out anywhere at any time I've said that.


I'll be waiting.

Which is the point. Democrats can't remove the troops from Iraq if the President vetoes any bill with "remove troops from Iraq within a reasonable amount of time" as a provision.

Well then people would blame the President, wouldn't they?

You really are locked in, aren't you?

Repeat after me: Democrats CAN mess up. Democrats are NOT infallible.

Do you interpret EVERYTHING through the filter of blame Republicans only?

Threat of veto is equally as problematic. If they continue to try and get bills people want passed knowing they will be vetoed, they will be labeled as wasting time and dollars. If they don't, they will be (as they are now) labeled as not living up to their promises. It is lose, lose.

And two of those vetoes came under a Democratic Congress who is trying to turn the country around after years of ass-kissing. The President doesn't have to veto bills of the Congress is doing whatever he says he wants.

Locked into step, aren't you?

This is why I subscribe to -no- political party. I prefer to think for myself. When a Republican screws up, I'm free to say so. (I think the President is screwing up on several issues right now) When a Democrat screws up, I'm free to say so. (I think several senators are screwing it up right now, too.)

I don't have this emotional/psychological need to have a particular party always be right. It's remarkably liberating.

here's what i want to know - remember all the hand-wringing about how the dems couldn't possibly filibuster, well, anything at all because they had to keep their powder dry or whatever and the republicans were just going to outlaw the filibuster if they tried it anyways? anyone else notice that the repubs have been filibustering damn near everything, or threatening to, with absolutely no consequence other than to ensure that they get exactly what they want?

Not really surprised...the Democrats just seem to be Diet Republicans...

worse, they are collaborationists.

Locked into step, aren't you?

This is why I subscribe to -no- political party. I prefer to think for myself. When a Republican screws up, I'm free to say so. (I think the President is screwing up on several issues right now) When a Democrat screws up, I'm free to say so. (I think several senators are screwing it up right now, too.)

I don't have this emotional/psychological need to have a particular party always be right. It's remarkably liberating.
You misjudge me. I have a psychological need for something to always be wrong.

Do you interpret EVERYTHING through the filter of blame Republicans only?
If the Republicans are to blame. Please explain to me how Bush's veto isn't a threat and I won't blame him.
And arn't you one for glazing over specifics. I am blaming the President, who is a Republican. Not Republicans specifically. You are the one making the bridge and saying I am blaming Republicans. "Moderates" with "no political party" on this board sure do lean to the right alot..

Also, in your attacking of me for "blaming the Republicans," you are dismissing out of hand the facts of a two-party system. The Republicans and Democrats do whatever it takes to make the other party look bad. It's just alot easier for Republicans.

worse, they are collaborationists.

I'm fairly sure that's not a word. They are collaborators and enablers to Presidential lunacy.

here's what i want to know - remember all the hand-wringing about how the dems couldn't possibly filibuster, well, anything at all because they had to keep their powder dry or whatever and the republicans were just going to outlaw the filibuster if they tried it anyways? anyone else notice that the repubs have been filibustering damn near everything, or threatening to, with absolutely no consequence other than to ensure that they get exactly what they want?

Yup. Filibustering needs to be done away with.

I'm fairly sure that's not a word.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/collaborationists

Yup. Filibustering needs to be done away with.

i believe you'd have to overcome a filibuster to do that - which just throws even more suspicion back on to the vichy dems when they could have filibustered all sorts of truly evil shit but didn't...

has been for awhile, but maybe some more people might be up for it these days

:sniper::)

And nice spank on Khadgar.

Americans never like the congress, because Congress never does anything. except this time, its not the dem's fault that their bills are being vetoed, having signing statements attached to them(effectivly changing the bills), or being caught up in a stale mate by republicans. See, the republicans are so power hungry, that they hope to gain favoritism of the american people by showing how the dems aren't doing anything, when its in fact the republicans that are holding up the process and not doing anything.

It's hard to have confidence in an institution that won't stick it to the President (although I blame the President as much as the Leadership for that), which is being held up by a minority trying to obstruct even common sense ("Strike the Requisite Word" abuse in the Committee of the Whole), which couldn't even manage a No-Confidence vote against Abu G (I blame the 'thugs for that, too), and can't even defend it's legal right to subpoena anymore (that's the President's fault, too, though, although if there was someone honest in the DoJ willing to take up the case, a Contempt of Congress case could be brought).

But, no, it's Reid's fault for saying that he thiks Petraeus is full of shit. Well, guess what? He's right. The Military has been lying to us right beside the President, because every time a military leader has dissagreed, he's been kicked out. That doesn't take away the hero worship complex that Americans have for our military, but that's why the American people don't care about Reid's comments. He was right. Petraeus is Bush's stooge.

If the Republicans are to blame. Please explain to me how Bush's veto isn't a threat and I won't blame him.


A threat to what, exactly as it pertains to the Congressional approval rating.


And arn't you one for glazing over specifics. I am blaming the President, who is a Republican. Not Republicans specifically. You are the one making the bridge and saying I am blaming Republicans. "Moderates" with "no political party" on this board sure do lean to the right alot..

Also, in your attacking of me for "blaming the Republicans," you are dismissing out of hand the facts of a two-party system. The Republicans and Democrats do whatever it takes to make the other party look bad. It's just alot easier for Republicans.

Oh do please come off it. People have been blaming both Republicans and the President so much the two terms have become almost interchangeable.

...unless you're specifically saying that somehow low Congressional approval ratings are the fault of Dubya alone...

...which is just as silly. If people know enough about the way the Government works to even form an opinion in the first place, they'll discern for themselves who's to blame when stuff doesn't get passed.

Americans never like the congress, because Congress never does anything. except this time, its not the dem's fault that their bills are being vetoed, having signing statements attached to them(effectivly changing the bills), or being caught up in a stale mate by republicans. See, the republicans are so power hungry, that they hope to gain favoritism of the american people by showing how the dems aren't doing anything, when its in fact the republicans that are holding up the process and not doing anything.

...because everybody knows that Democrats would never do such a thing.

A threat to what, exactly as it pertains to the Congressional approval rating.
Already addressed.

...because everybody knows that Democrets would never do such a thing.
Republicans seemed to have got plenty done in the past several years of being in charge which just now ended :rolleyes:

I thinks it is interesting that the public's confidence in chuch/organized religion is 1 percentage point away from the all time lowest record. Combined with everything else going down or at rock bottom, I think that Americans are very pessimetic about their institutions.

...because everybody knows that Democrats would never do such a thing.

Two wrongs make a right, ya?:rolleyes:

Its sad to see your justification for halting the country from making progression, is to hold on to past ordeals, and say "they did it too, so nah nah".

I thinks it is interesting that the public's confidence in chuch/organized religion is 1 percentage point away from the all time lowest record. Combined with everything else going down or at rock bottom, I think that Americans are very pessimetic about their institutions.

Maybe because all we see on tv is negative. Hell i'd hate the church too, if all i saw was the sex scandals of people that make up less than like 1% of church membership.

Also, there is this thing in American culture, called "don't fix it until its unfixable", meaning we allow such institutions to get so bad, until the point that there is no use fixing them, because its more efficient to just let them die off or go away.

Laziness and apathy is what ruined this country, not the lack of morals or guidances.

Locked into step, aren't you?

This is why I subscribe to -no- political party. I prefer to think for myself. When a Republican screws up, I'm free to say so. (I think the President is screwing up on several issues right now) When a Democrat screws up, I'm free to say so. (I think several senators are screwing it up right now, too.)

I don't have this emotional/psychological need to have a particular party always be right. It's remarkably liberating.
You're going to strain your arm trying to pat yourself on the back that hard...
You misjudge me. I have a psychological need for something to always be wrong.
Too easy.

You're going to strain your arm trying to pat yourself on the back that hard...
He can use the methods he learned stretching the truth.

Maybe because all we see on tv is negative. Hell i'd hate the church too, if all i saw was the sex scandals of people that make up less than like 1% of church membership.
I don't think Catholicism is a majority religion in the US.

I don't think Catholicism is a majority religion in the US.

Well, its part of the Christian church as a whole.


Anyways, I like to make numbers up. Its fun :)