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The myth I hate the most is the "Hoover was a laissez faire capitalist who did absolutely nothing when the Depression struck," a myth that has been debunked many times, including (but not limited to) here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard108.html), here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard96.html), here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/bovard/bovard25.html), and here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard91.html).

That Ann Coulter is being serious. She's not, I'm sure of it.

The myth I hate the most is the "Hoover was a laissez faire capitalist who did absolutely nothing when the Depression struck," a myth that has been debunked many times, including (but not limited to) here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard108.html), here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard96.html), here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/bovard/bovard25.html), and here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard91.html).

Democracy is a good system of government. Your myth would be a close second, however.

Democracy is a good system of government.

QFT.

All clowns are evil.

Not true. A few good ones still manage to evade our operatives. *nod*

If I'm a bad kid and I go down by the river after dark, I'm not going to be abducted by La Llorona. Well that's more folklore really.

The myth which I despise the most is that people are related to apes. It's one thing for a psychotic person to wildly fabricate such a crazy idea, but for sane people to believe him is just maddening.

My great-uncle has certain ape-ish qualities. Are you trying to insult my great-uncle? :rolls up sleeves:

The myth which I despise the most is that people are related to apes. It's one thing for a psychotic person to wildly fabricate such a crazy idea, but for sane people to believe him is just maddening.

The myth which I despise the most is that people are related to apes. It's one thing for a psychotic person to wildly fabricate such a crazy idea, but for sane people to believe him is just maddening.

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Hmm... four articles, all from Lew Rockwell, three of them by Murray Rothbard.

There are certain noticeable trends in "libertarianism."

Democracy is a good system of government. Your myth would be a close second, however.

Is this related to the whole "Democracy is the worst form of government except for the ones we've tried" thing?

:sniper:

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:p

Where do you people get these things?

Is this related to the whole "Democracy is the worst form of government except for the ones we've tried" thing?

No, it's related to the whole "Democracy is the worst form of government we've tried" thing.

All clowns are evil.

Not true. A few good ones still manage to evade our operatives. *nod*

*does secret handshake*

I really hate the myth that married sex sucks.........you know who says it? single people, how the hell would they really know?

No, it's related to the whole "Democracy is the worst form of government we've tried" thing.

Give me an example of a better system then.

*does secret handshake*

I really hate the myth that married sex sucks.........you know who says it? single people, how the hell would they really know?

Too true. Poor sexual relations are caused by a lack of openness and communication. Not by a ring on one's finger. *nod*

Wow! I'm kind of like a young Dr. Ruth with testicles! :eek:

Give me an example of a better system then.

Enlightened monarchy. Or none at all.

I hate that myth that says that Europe is real.

I mean seriously, Snopes disproved it, people!

The myth which I despise the most is that people are related to apes.

Indeed, this is a very unfortunate myth.

In our insistence to promote the view that we are "special", we tend to forget the truth: that, in fact, we are apes.

The myth which I despise the most is that people are related to apes. It's one thing for a psychotic person to wildly fabricate such a crazy idea, but for sane people to believe him is just maddening.

Aye. We're much more closely related to chimpanzees.

I hate that really annoying myth...the one about an afterlife.

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Well, actually, all of the myths about an afterlife.

Enlightened monarchy. Or none at all.

And what's to stop said monarchy from deciding to stop acting in the interests of its people? You know, there's a reason we moved away from monarchy.

A dudes hot car is compensating for his penis/doin' it for chicks.

While I won't say that that is never true (Corvette owners, I'm looking at you....kidding, kidding.....sort of ;p) most times unless the chick is as much a gearhead as you are she's a bring down on the whole thing and we'd rather she go do something she wants to do and let us play.

Sometimes a cigar is a good smoke and a good sports car is just a good ride.

And the midlife crisis thing-look, if I could afford a 911 Turbo when I was 22, I would have bought one, but it might take until the middle of my life to be able to afford one. Just because you dowsed your dreams and condemned yourself to a Styrofoam existence, don't try and drag others down with you.

And what's to stop said monarchy from deciding to stop acting in the interests of its people? You know, there's a reason we moved away from monarchy.

We moved away from monarchy because violent populism/nationalism became popular. And democratic caretakers, acting in self-interest, will only act so as to continue to stay in office regardless of the long-term consequences. Monarchs, acting in self-interest, will act for the future because they have a claim on the future returns of the nation.

If you have to call us some form of monkey, call us chimps.

Um... chimps are apes, too.

Too true. Poor sexual relations are caused by a lack of openness and communication. Not by a ring on one's finger. *nod*

Wow! I'm kind of like a young Dr. Ruth with testicles! :eek:

Dr. Ruth didn't have testicles?! :eek:

We moved away from monarchy because violent populism/nationalism became popular. And democratic caretakers, acting in self-interest, will only act so as to continue to stay in office regardless of the long-term consequences. Monarchs, acting in self-interest, will act for the future because they have a claim on the future returns of the nation.

So the French Revolution had nothing to do with a low standard of living?

No, it's related to the whole "Democracy is the worst form of government we've tried" thing.

You're right. Republicanism is the best form of government we've tried.

Hmm... four articles, all from Lew Rockwell, three of them by Murray Rothbard.

There are certain noticeable trends in "libertarianism."
Well, right, he is a libertarian but that does not change the argument. Hoover was against a welfare state but he was not for letting the market do whatever it wanted this can be seen in the tariff increase, the tax hike, and in his harsh terms for employers that wanted to fire. As well, in a cruel historical irony FDR's platform was partially an attack on Hoover budgetary issues.

Wow! I'm kind of like a young Dr. Ruth with testicles! :eek:
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So you're a self-hating man hater? Or am I mixing up Dr. Ruth with someone else?

Indeed, this is a very unfortunate myth.

In our insistence to promote the view that we are "special", we tend to forget the truth: that, in fact, we are apes.
Uh, no, no we're not. We are primates and somewhat related, genetically, but we are not apes. If you have to call us some form of monkey, call us chimps.

Dr. Ruth didn't have testicles?! :eek:

Nothing was ever confirmed.

Uh, no, no we're not. We are primates and somewhat related, genetically, but we are not apes. If you have to call us some form of monkey, call us chimps.
Um... yes we are. We're a part of the family Hominidae, which is the 'Great Apes', (Chimps, orangutans, gorillas, and humans).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

So the French Revolution had nothing to do with a low standard of living?

It was more about populist envy than just "low standard of living." Those revolutionary butchers slaughtered tradesmen just as viciously as they did aristocrats and clergy.

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So you're a self-hating man hater? Or am I mixing up Dr. Ruth with someone else?


I think it would be difficult to classify Dr. Ruth of all people as a man hater...

...So you're a self-hating man hater? Or am I mixing up Dr. Ruth with someone else?

maybe with Dr. Laura?

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So you're a self-hating man hater? Or am I mixing up Dr. Ruth with someone else?

I never really thought of her as a man hater. If anything, I think she tended to underestimate the willingless of men to please their partner and women's ability to tell their partner what they want. But for the most part, she had a fairly open view of good sex. At least I thought so.

I never really thought of her as a man hater. If anything, I think she tended to underestimate the willingless of men to please their partner and women's ability to tell their partner what they want. But for the most part, she had a fairly open view of good sex. At least I thought so.

You thought so beforehand, or afterwards? ;)

It was more about populist envy than just "low standard of living." Those revolutionary butchers slaughtered tradesmen just as viciously as they did aristocrats and clergy.

They killed anyone who was, or who they perceived to be better off than they. They did to this out of envy, but I'm willing to bet that the lack of food played more of a part than you're admitting.

You thought so beforehand, or afterwards? ;)

I was young. She was... younger.

I'll never forget that trick with her tongue. *nods*

Hmm... four articles, all from Lew Rockwell, three of them by Murray Rothbard.

There are certain noticeable trends in "libertarianism."

So you didn't read the articles. Thanks for your honesty.

They killed anyone who was, or who they perceived to be better off than they. They did to this out of envy, but I'm willing to bet that the lack of food played more of a part than you're admitting.

Not having enough food does not entail that one goes on a bloody rampage. It had more to do with populism/nationalism.

Um... yes we are. We're a part of the family Hominidae, which is the 'Great Apes', (Chimps, orangutans, gorillas, and humans).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

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Oh damn. I completely embarrassed myself.

Ah well...a little embarrasment matters not...I was educated.
I think it would be difficult to classify Dr. Ruth of all people as a man hater...

maybe with Dr. Laura?

See, I knew I was mixing her up with someone else.

I never really thought of her as a man hater. If anything, I think she tended to underestimate the willingless of men to please their partner and women's ability to tell their partner what they want. But for the most part, she had a fairly open view of good sex. At least I thought so.
Eh, I wouldn't know, as I don't listen to any of that stuff.

Give me an example of a better system then.

Anarcho-capitalism.

Anarcho-capitalism.

Seconded, of course.

Not having enough food does not entail that one goes on a bloody rampage. It had more to do with populism/nationalism.

It certainly might when the masses are under the impression that the ruling class(es) are intentionally hoarding the food for themselves.

Not having enough food does not entail that one goes on a bloody rampage. It had more to do with populism/nationalism.

Your right. Totally right. They have no business fighting for survival. damn communists! :mad:

So you didn't read the articles.

Actually, I read the first one... but nevermind that.

If you read my post, you'll note that I didn't contest their claim... I have no particular interest or desire to do so. I have always been willing to grant that the state has been intertwined with the economy from the start.

Someone didn't have their cake. ;)

I had it. I threw it. :)

Actually, I read the first one... but nevermind that.

If you read my post, you'll note that I didn't contest their claim... I have no particular interest or desire to do so. I have always been willing to grant that the state has been intertwined with the economy from the start.

Ah, okay.

I'm just sick of the "laissez faire Hoover" myth. He was a corporatist. Economically, he was quite close to Mussolini.

Your right. Totally right. They have no business fighting for survival. damn communists! :mad:
Someone didn't have their cake. ;)

I had it. I threw it. :)

Yeah...at me. :mad:

Nice going, jerk. *wipes off face*


j/k

It certainly might when the masses are under the impression that the ruling class(es) are intentionally hoarding the food for themselves.

But wouldn't they just as easily believe anything, just to justify their incredibly violent acts?

Your right. Totally right. They have no business fighting for survival. damn communists! :mad:

You're right. They had every right to parade people's mutilated genitals in public, or throw bakers in their own ovens, or rape women, or commit democide! It's for FREEEEEEEDOM!!!

Naturally as this forum has ruined my ability to do anything, I read the title as 'Most Hated Myrth'. I guess the myth of Myrth could be an answer to the thread anyway..

Anarcho-capitalism.

In a society without a police force to protect against the initiation of violence and breach of contracts, civil disagreements that lead to violence can be perpetuated by the formation of gangs, creating a fragmented tribal environment of civil wars.

Also, there are several public services that can't be available without a form of ordered government.

Yeah...at me. :mad:

Nice going, jerk. *wipes off face*


j/k

don't waste it! it's cake for Bob's sake!

Your right.

Ah hah! I caught the Goofball in a revealing grammatical error!

Ah, okay.

I'm just sick of the "laissez faire Hoover" myth.

Wasn't that a vacuum cleaner commercial back in the '60s?

In a society without a police force to protect against the initiation of violence and breach of contracts, civil disagreements that lead to violence can be perpetuated by the formation of gangs, creating a fragmented tribal environment of civil wars.

There would be police.

Also, there are several public services that can't be available without a form of ordered government.

I disagree.

don't waste it! it's cake for Bob's sake!

Wipes off face -> into mouth.

Wasn't that a vacuum cleaner commercial back in the '60s?

That's almost sigworthy. :cool:

But wouldn't they just as easily believe anything, just to justify their incredibly violent acts?



Person A: "Hey! We're starving and they're feasting! Let's kill them so we can eat!"

Person B: "Dammit, I'm starving. But I'm going to kill that guy who has food because I love this country, not because I'm starving."

Straw Man, probably. But I'm not sure how exactly else to word it. "A" seems more likely to me.

There would be police.

How?

I disagree.

Oh? Civil and military defense, management of common environmental resources, and public goods such as roads or lighthouses to name a few.

That's almost sigworthy. :cool:

Dammit, I was so close. So close.

But wouldn't they just as easily believe anything, just to justify their incredibly violent acts?



You're right. They had every right to parade people's mutilated genitals in public, or throw bakers in their own ovens, or rape women, or commit democide! It's for FREEEEEEEDOM!!!

They always get the parts with the women and the bakers backward! :rolleyes:

You just can't get good rioters anymore. :(

Ah hah! I caught the Goofball in a revealing grammatical error!

*munches on a taco*

How?

Private defense agencies.

Oh? Civil and military defense, management of common environmental resources, and public goods such as roads or lighthouses to name a few.

Those would be privatize as well.

*munches on a taco*

*steals taco, throws cake at you*

Person A: "Hey! We're starving and they're feasting! Let's kill them so we can eat!"

Person B: "Dammit, I'm starving. But I'm going to kill that guy who has food because I love this country, not because I'm starving."

Straw Man, probably. But I'm not sure how exactly else to word it. "A" seems more likely to me.

But isn't "B" more memorable?

Person A: "Hey! We're starving and they're feasting! Let's kill them so we can eat!"

Person B: "Dammit, I'm starving. But I'm going to kill that guy who has food because I love this country, not because I'm starving."

Straw Man, probably. But I'm not sure how exactly else to word it. "A" seems more likely to me.

Well, that's really not accurate. It was more of a manuever by people like the Marquis De Sade and others who could profit from gaining the reins of power, by inciting both envy and a populist/nationalist fervor, than just "I'm hungry, so I'm going to kill that guy." Just because you're hungry and someone has food doesn't automatically mean you're going to kill them. Otherwise, no volunteers would ever leave a homeless shelter alive.

Ah hah! I caught the Goofball in a revealing grammatical error!

no, you caught him in a sentence fragment

Your right.........hand has a spider on it! KILL! KILL!

oh wait.........sentence fragment...............hmmm



yeah, you were right.

Private defense agencies.

Hey, we give-a you one last chance to get the protection money... but after that, you might have a little accident... whad-a you think, Tony?

... we all know that the Mafia attend courses to learn how to speak like that

*steals taco, throws cake at you*

*ducks and watches the cake hit Kyronea. Produces another taco* :)

Private defense agencies.



Those would be privatize as well.


What the hell? 2-on-1? I'm outnumbered!

But wouldn't Private Defense Agencies eventually cause a mini-government to form? One would become more dominant, and people would enlist that one, and so on.

I'm sick of the myth that piety is a virtue.

The myth I hate the most is the "Hoover was a laissez faire capitalist who did absolutely nothing when the Depression struck," a myth that has been debunked many times, including (but not limited to) here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard108.html), here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard96.html), here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/bovard/bovard25.html), and here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard91.html).

If your pale, your an albino.

You just can't get good rioters anymore. :(

www.Rioters'R'Us.com

I'm sick of the myth that piety is a virtue.

Piety is a form of arrogance. *nod*

What the hell? 2-on-1? I'm outnumbered!

But wouldn't Private Defense Agencies eventually cause a mini-government to form? One would become more dominant, and people would enlist that one, and so on.

No, it wouldn't be a government because you'd have a third party arbiter in case of a dispute with your PDA. A government is defined as an entity of compulsory territorial monopoly (by the old definition of blocked legal entry) of law and order (an ultimate decisionmaker.) The PDA cannot say "What we did was alright," but rather the one who decides is chosen contractually. How large the PDA becomes is ultimately irrelevant, since it would not fit the definition as given.

*ducks and watches the cake hit Kyronea. Produces another taco* :)

*uses telepathy to make the cake whip back around and smash into LG*

No, it wouldn't be a government because you'd have a third party arbiter in case of a dispute with your PDA. A government is defined as an entity of compulsory territorial monopoly (by the old definition of blocked legal entry) of law and order (an ultimate decisionmaker.) The PDA cannot say "What we did was alright," but rather the one who decides is chosen contractually. How large the PDA becomes is ultimately irrelevant, since it would not fit the definition as given.

But... they have the guns.

If your pale, your an albino.

Que?

No, it wouldn't be a government because you'd have a third party arbiter in case of a dispute with your PDA. A government is defined as an entity of compulsory territorial monopoly (by the old definition of blocked legal entry) of law and order (an ultimate decisionmaker.) The PDA cannot say "What we did was alright," but rather the one who decides is chosen contractually. How large the PDA becomes is ultimately irrelevant, since it would not fit the definition as given.
Uh... right. Let me see. They have lots of things that go boom, you have a contract dispute. You really think they're gonna listen?

But... they have the guns.

Which is why you want to make sure you have a gun as well, and choose a third-party that is also similarly equipped.

*uses telepathy to make the cake whip back around and smash into LG*

Telekinesis would work better.

However, as an option, telepathy could be used to make one leap in front of flying cake. I've studied these things quite thoroughly. *nod*

Which is why you want to make sure you have a gun as well, and choose a third-party that is also similarly equipped.
Then why do you need such a PDA anyway since what it will come down to is hunting down people and killing them? Why, we could get rid of all them pesky laws and courts and just get on with old west style necktie parties.

Of course many innocent men lost their lives to such, but hey, them's the breaks right?

The 'Humans only use 10% of our brains!' myth, especially when it is extrapolated unnecessarily to involve supernatural powers or the like.

Telekinesis would work better.

However, as an option, telepathy could be used to make one leap in front of flying cake. I've studied these things quite thoroughly. *nod*

Telekinesis is what I meant. Thanks. :)


Uses telekinesis to splatter LG with cake. ;)

The 'Humans only use 10% of our brains!' myth, especially when it is extrapolated unnecessarily to involve supernatural powers or the like.

"Humans only use 10% of our brains: that means 90% of success comes from effort!" Gah :eek:! Effort! :eek:

Then why do you need such a PDA anyway since what it will come down to is hunting down people and killing them? Why, we could get rid of all them pesky laws and courts and just get on with old west style necktie parties.

Of course many innocent men lost their lives to such, but hey, them's the breaks right?

First of all, concerning the "Wild" West, lookie here. (http://www.mises.org/story/1449)

Also, what you say is a non-sequitur, as you do not explain WHY this would have to be the case. Individual consumers may want a PDA in order to lower their insurance rates for violence, just as they would want a levee to lower their insurance rates for flooding. Covenants (i.e. contractual communities) would want PDAs in order to lower crime and boost property values (a peaceful and orderly neighborhood is more valuable than a crime-ridden one.)

Telekinesis is what I meant. Thanks. :)


Uses telekinesis to splatter LG with cake. ;)

Uses telepathy to force Ancap into apologizing to LG for getting cake all over his mud :p

The "if you become an organ donor, doctors won't help you because they just want your organs" myth.

:p

Where do you people get these things?
I would like to know this as well...

First of all, concerning the "Wild" West, lookie here. (http://www.mises.org/story/1449)

Also, what you say is a non-sequitur, as you do not explain WHY this would have to be the case. Individual consumers may want a PDA in order to lower their insurance rates for violence, just as they would want a levee to lower their insurance rates for flooding. Covenants (i.e. contractual communities) would want PDAs in order to lower crime and boost property values (a peaceful and orderly neighborhood is more valuable than a crime-ridden one.)

You know, you can kind of see PDAs in action... they're called gangs.

You know, you can kind of see PDAs in action... they're called gangs.

Gangs increase property values? :eek:

Seriously, no. That's a non-sequitur, as you do not explain how PDAs and gangs are equivalent. There's no contracting with a gang; they just take from you. With a PDA, you make a contract, and one of the requirements of a legitimate contract is an impartial third party. There is no third party with a gang. And neither is there if you have a dispute with the government...

Republicans stand for small government, best myth ever.

Republicans stand for small government, best myth ever.

Quoted for mother fucking truth.

Gangs increase property values? :eek:

Seriously, no. That's a non-sequitur, as you do not explain how PDAs and gangs are equivalent. There's no contracting with a gang; they just take from you. With a PDA, you make a contract, and one of the requirements of a legitimate contract is an impartial third party. There is no third party with a gang. And neither is there if you have a dispute with the government...
Again though, you're assuming that they would obey a third party. So, as you said, you arm the third party and yourself. So you get the Hatfields and the McCoys.

That's what I love about Anarchists or Libertarians, they always seem to on one hand say you can't trust the people in government because people are greedy, but somehow seem to think that abolishing government would make people less greedy and would somehow work out.

Wait, we're only doing one myth per person? Well, that's boring. I wanna do ten!

=D

10. Ummm, I guess I don't like the myth that makeup makes girls prettier. It basically just makes them look like MCR, or like raccoons, or like they got in a fight with Mike Tyson, and got really embarassed about it or something... Yeah, and blushed.

9. I don't like the myth that health food is for hippies, either. Seriously, it's called "health food" for a reason. Gosh.

8. Next up is the myth that you should be nice to people so that they'll be nice back. I'm all for being nice, but if it's for selfish reasons, it just can't be good for your karma. Seriously, who the heck would be comfortable with people magically being nice to them all of a sudden? I'd feel like a total pig if that happened to me. I prefer not to think about karma, and to just be nice 'cause it's fun if you're good at it. =D

7. I'm sad to say that I no longer believe in the myth that little kids are smarter than adults. Sure, some of them are, and they're a heck of a lot more respectful to things like imagination, learning, and TMBG, but if you know how IQ works, then you'll understand why it really makes no sense for people to actually get dumber as they get older. Well, there's senility and stuff, but that's usually different from actually becoming less intelligent. Know who's realllly unintelligent? Teenagers. <D

6. Next up is the myth that sports make you smart. Just... no.

5. This one is related to the last one. Ironically, it's that working out is a waste of time. Seriously, look it up. If you have more energy, then you have more time, and working out also makes you happier, smarter, and probably less selfish or something like that. You can probably find some PhD-certified assurance that just about every good thing that can happen to you somehow results from working out. Just... Not so much with sports. Yeah.

4. "You can be anything you want when you grow up." Yeah, so this one's worst if you tell it to kids with mental disabilities. On the other hand, I would assume that most people would be more capable of doing things that they actually wanted to do than things they didn't, so by telling them the importance of drive and determination in a horribly inaccurate way, this myth might actually help them. That's basically why it isn't one of the top 3.

3. I dunno how to describe this next myth... It's pretty overarching, and basically groups smart people together with nerds and idiot-savants. Luckily, it seems like it's been going out of style lately, because the coolest people seem to be smart-alecks that like to make fun of everyone all day long, instead of 'normal people' who are good at 'social stuff.' Yeah, so anyways, caring about other people is kind of more important than knowing where you should put your sternum while talking to an adult, or how many balloons to bring to a cocktail party. Wait, now I think I'm getting kind of... off. Yeah. Dang. That happens sometimes.

2. Second place would definitely have to be the corporate myth. Y'know, where all the "cool kids" buy into the absolute least healthy things that corporations have to offer them, like FPS's, fast food, bad grammar, vague dogmas, political opinions, social skills, milk, enrollment in the army, comfort, and dogfood. Wait, I think I already mentioned the vague dogfood. Yeah, that stuff hurts my nose.

1. I think one of you guys gave me the idea for my top evilest myth. Oh, hey, there's the quote! =D

Piety is a form of arrogance. *nod*

...LolNO, that's not the myth. I mean, atheism is cosmic and all, but I for one would rather leave it to the Germans. Those guys are like, always happy, so I'm not worried about whether they'd be able to handle it. I'd rather be a wishy-washy, ditzy agnostic! YAY! It's easier to do if you learn the same stuff as atheists by replacing "existence" with "this life" and meaning essentially the same thing.

Anyways, the point is, when I was thinking of my reaction to the above quote, and I thought the word "Germans," I realized what myth I hate most of all. LOL, it's not Naziism, though that one does get annoying at times. I think it's my 11th least favorite, right behind the makeup one. Anyways, you shouldn't be associating the word "Germans" with "Nazis" in the first place. No, I'm not talking about the Germans who did a bunch of crazy emo stuff in WWII. No, I'm not talking about the Germans who you know personally and who are different and unique in each and every way. See, that there's the myth... I meant the Germans who are on the cutting edge of most industries, including fashion trends, (ewww) who feel more comfortable thinking as a group than as individuals, who are the polar opposite of the Irish, who think that the paycheck or the suit or whatever makes the man,
who are fascinated by aesthetics, who love to be organizd, who use their right brains for just about everything that involves logic, unless it wouldn't be enough of a challenge, or would lead them to conclude something depressing, in which case they use their left brains instead, and fail miserably. Y'know, the Germans that gave me 25% of my genome and all. Those guys totally need to back off of the predestination of my existence. Or like, they needed to. Time is being confusing. In any case, the main adjective I was going for was "optimistic."

...and, after all that rambling and probably racist ranting about the Germans, I digress: my least favorite myth, ever, is politcal correctness. Seriously, 40% of the brain's development is controlled by genes, hence America's constant irrational fear of Nazis. Oh, and the myth that "equal but different" is a myth is pretty annoying, because that only stops being a myth when it's applied to segregation or apartheid. Otherwise, it won't collapse and leave us with nothing but a master race to wage WWIII against us, so we might as well cut out the whole "culture, not race" thing and admit that whole 40% of the brain's development thing. Oh, and 10% of the brain's development is based on environment, and it wouldn't surprise me if more of that 10% was food than culture... Oh, I should probably go Asian now and stop talking. (I actually am a quarter Japanese =D) I've been being Irish for wayyyy too long now. (I have strong suspicions that I'm more than a quarter Irish.) Bye everyone!

-Bertoffski

P.S. If this post is offensive in any way, I'll be happy to delete it. See, I have no idea what the heck I was saying when I was writing it. (YAY GERMAN, WHICH I AM ONE QUARTER OR MORE OF!) Yeah, I might as well delete some crazy rant I went on during one of my less lucid (read: more German) states, like Bavaria, and... I should prolly take my Singulair... and a shower... and maybe read some books... Egh, I'm falling asleep. Bye for real this time. =\

The myth I hate the most is the "Hoover was a laissez faire capitalist who did absolutely nothing when the Depression struck," a myth that has been debunked many times, including (but not limited to) here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard108.html), here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard96.html), here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/bovard/bovard25.html), and here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard91.html).

Wow, you really let it get under your skin, didn't you?

Communism is bad

Communism is bad

That's your opinion, or that's your most hated myth? Details, man details...

That's your opinion, or that's your most hated myth? Details, man details...

It's probably one of the greatest myths perpetuated by the global conservative lobby.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

The Pilgrims in search of Religious Freedom.

That every person is equal.

Some persons are more equal than others. LOL!

That Bush did 9-11.

The Pilgrims in search of Religious Freedom.

They were in search of religious freedom (only for themselves, though :p).

In our insistence to promote the view that we are "special", we tend to forget the truth: that, in fact, we are apes.

Not just apes but animals in general.

The 'Humans only use 10% of our brains!' myth, especially when it is extrapolated unnecessarily to involve supernatural powers or the like.

If every neuron in a persons brain fired simultaneously it would most likely kill them. Not give them superpowers. Like pressing all the keys on my keyboard at once doesn't make my posts better.

10. Ummm, I guess I don't like the myth that makeup makes girls prettier. It basically just makes them look like MCR, or like raccoons, or like they got in a fight with Mike Tyson, and got really embarassed about it or something... Yeah, and blushed.

It doesn't always look bad. But people screw it up a lot more than they should.

Wow! I'm kind of like a young Dr. Ruth with cast-iron testicles! :eek:

Fixed. ;)

I'm sick of the myth that piety is a virtue.

Republicans stand for small government, best myth ever.

These two top my list.

Republicans stand for small government, best myth ever.
hmmm...? myth???? are you kidding me last I checked I wasnt imposing no trans fat on fast food corps and I am not making everyone stop smoking. another good note here democrats want every thing under the control of goverment,they dont privatise they dont do anything good for us they just dictate.

Almost hesitate to do this after reading some threads on here it is apparent that there are quite a few small minded fanatics that I will no doubt irritate immensely, but here goes anyway....

My most hated myth is the whole Jesus thing. If he actually existed then the guy was a cult leader/con man. We get these guys popping up all the time and in todays world we spot what they are in time. David Koresh anyone!

And don't get me started on his mother, who back in the day told Joseph she was pregnant but "hey trust me Joe I'm still a virgin, honest. It was the the....angel of the lord , yeah thats who it was"

Who in the right mind in this day and age would believe that nonsense.

Anyway, better put up the barricades as no doubt hate will come my way now. :rolleyes:

Almost hesitate to do this after reading some threads on here it is apparent that there are quite a few small minded fanatics that I will no doubt irritate immensely, but here goes anyway....

My most hated myth is the whole Jesus thing. If he actually existed then the guy was a cult leader/con man. We get these guys popping up all the time and in todays world we spot what they are in time. David Koresh anyone!

And don't get me started on his mother, who back in the day told Joseph she was pregnant but "hey trust me Joe I'm still a virgin, honest. It was the the....angel of the lord , yeah thats who it was"

Who in the right mind in this day and age would believe that nonsense.

Anyway, better put up the barricades as no doubt hate will come my way now. :rolleyes:

well i was thinking bout throwing you in an oven but im sure you will be nice and warm in hell.

Not just apes but animals in general.



If every neuron in a persons brain fired simultaneously it would most likely kill them. Not give them superpowers. Like pressing all the keys on my keyboard at once doesn't make my posts better.



It doesn't always look bad. But people screw it up a lot more than they should.
I know... it would be the equivalent of a Grand Mal seizure. I think you misunderstood me.

I know... it would be the equivalent of a Grand Mal seizure. I think you misunderstood me.

No, I just wanted to bring that variant of the theory up, I had an introduction but I didn't like it so I deleted it and posted the rest anyway. People need to know. Remember people Brain + EMP =/= Telekinesis.

well i was thinking bout throwing you in an oven but im sure you will be nice and warm in hell.

Who wants to go to heaven? It's full of people whos' idea of a good time is praying and abstinence.

I know... it would be the equivalent of a Grand Mal seizure. I think you misunderstood me.

I read something that said the main reason was due to the heat that would be generated if 100% of the brain was used at the same time.

well i was thinking bout throwing you in an oven but im sure you will be nice and warm in hell.

Ha ha ha, you just proved my point!

My idea of hell would be to spend all eternity stuck with a bunch of self-righteous christians, so its lucky Im not going to your heaven as it would be a nightmare for me.

The myth I hate the most is

... "it's the will of God".

This applies to any kind of religion, but mostly monotheistic religions, because usually they're the main fuel of fundamentalism; since the Exodus, through the Inquisition, to the Holocaust and today's Muslim/Jewish/Christian fundies.

Windows (any version) is a good OS

My own favorite myth?

NSG is a waste of time!

Secondly, you remind me..

-snipping for mercy-

Oh, and that groups of people can be adequately described by lumping them together by nationality and ascribing weird characteristics to them collectively.

The only myth that matters is that Keith Richards can be killed by covnentional means (Sword, Shotgun, Nuclear bomb etc)

"If your life doesn't turn out the way you want it to, it's solely because of your choices."

"Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus."

99.999% of the time, when somebody starts talking about how "men and women are just different!" they are actually trying to excuse their own lousy choices or poor behavior.

I read something that said the main reason was due to the heat that would be generated if 100% of the brain was used at the same time.

That's very likely true as well - The brain produces insane amounts of heat and it doesn't take much even at normal operation for it to start cooking itself.

That hurricanes have lightning.

THEY DON'T HAVE EFFING LIGHTNING, THAT IS WHY I LIKE THEM MUCH MORE THAN THUNDERSTORMS!

Idiots. :mad: :headbang:

The myth which I despise the most is that people are related to apes. It's one thing for a psychotic person to wildly fabricate such a crazy idea, but for sane people to believe him is just maddening.

There's only one response to that.

http://willlangford.com/wp-content/limecatfail1kd.jpg

the myth that Fox News is News...

Your voice for evil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-OQRO1BOw&mode=related&search=) :D:D

read the ticker at the bottom lolz...

or to go further, that any news station in the US reports the news...

Another one is... all liberals are more open minded than anyone else.

Ok, the OP stated a polictical myth, however the title of this thread says "Most hated Myths." So this is mine:

"Masturbation will cause your palms to be hairy." My palms are so not hairy, and I masturbate constantly. :p

Ok, the OP stated a polictical myth, however the title of this thread says "Most hated Myths." So this is mine:

"Masturbation will cause your palms to be hairy." My palms are so not hairy, and I masturbate constantly. :p
70's Show fan, are ya?

70's Show fan, are ya?

Mildly so. Although, I'm not quoting something from "That 70's Show." The hairy palms myth dates back to the olden days, before Kelso.

Most hated myth - that the Bible is the word of God.

It just isn't. And anyone who says it is either hasn't read it very carefully, or is a master of self deception. Or has a vested interest in trying to get you to obey their interpretation of a particular passage of it.

That's a good one too. The Bible is an interpretation of the word of God. Also, most people who say that misinterpret the Bible anyway.

Hoover sucks!!

http://www.dismuke.org/how/howimage/hoover.jpg

Most hated myth - that the Bible is the word of God.

It just isn't. And anyone who says it is either hasn't read it very carefully, or is a master of self deception. Or has a vested interest in trying to get you to obey their interpretation of a particular passage of it.

I've actually read the bible...yes all of it. The tricky thing about that is, the stories, lessons, teachings are written by people. These people claim god "spoke to them" or "spoke with them." Assuming, for the sake of arguement, that god did speak "to" or "with" these people, the fact is the whole memory and recall thing is also at play. So even if god directly spoke to these individuals, they still have the task of remembering it and recording it accurately. There's room for error in that process.

that gorge bush is human. everyone knows that he is really an alien who is trying to throw our planet into such a state that we can be conquered without much effort and then sell us all into slavery. :)

Mildly so. Although, I'm not quoting something from "That 70's Show." The hairy palms myth dates back to the olden days, before Kelso.

I know. That and this:
Location: Amehdeeka
Made me think of it.

The mythg that ticks me off the most? Religion.

I've actually read the bible...yes all of it. The tricky thing about that is, the stories, lessons, teachings are written by people. These people claim god "spoke to them" or "spoke with them." Assuming, for the sake of arguement, that god did speak "to" or "with" these people, the fact is the whole memory and recall thing is also at play. So even if god directly spoke to these individuals, they still have the task of remembering it and recording it accurately. There's room for error in that process.

Yep indeed. Which brings in another point: if we accept that the Bible is the uncorrupted word of God, surely it should be physically impossible to produce a copy which contains a mistranslation or misprint. Yet many versions have contained mistakes, and some even omit certain books purely on the grounds that the compiler doesn't think much of them.

"If you don't do exactly what we want, you'll go to hell..."

Ohh I don't really have one I hate, they are all quite intersting ya know, cow licking, toad jumping, fire aad ice and all that elemental stuff, gosh quite exciting.

The one that makes me laugh though is the one that says things would be better if we all.........

Coz like we are all the same and we all think the same, and so one solution to any problem would suit us all.

Hehe yeah that one is funny!:D

following this logic one could argue that churches cause little boys to be molested...


Ahh but that is true.

Guns kill.

Yep the gun sitting on the table is killing everyone in the room all by itself.

Lets ignore the crazy bastards that PICK THEM UP and USE them to kill and just blame the tool.

Same thing about alcohol.

Alcohol is what causes drunk driving...

Just like forks cause people to get fat...

following this logic one could argue that churches cause little boys to be molested...

"If you don't do exactly what we want, you'll go to hell..."

Or, less popularly, "We're going to heaven and you're not, no matter how good and godly you are and no matter how obnoxious and stupid we are..."

that the government is there to help you.

When someone can come up with a better system of government than Democracy...please inform us cuz personally i think its a pretty damn good system and if you don't like it just move to Russia and enjoy being watched constantly:D

When someone can come up with a better system of government than Democracy...please inform us cuz personally i think its a pretty damn good system and if you don't like it just move to Russia and enjoy being watched constantly:D

Hey first post.

Democracy yeah it's about the best we have(I would like to see a more socailist democray bu hey) but even so it is nowt more than majority rule huh, which means somebody will always get the shity end of the stick.

tribalisation of the like minded would be better, but then open boreders and and a general, leave us alone and we'll do the same rule needs to be put into place first.

Quite simply: God, in his many incarnations and variances. The cause of much war and hate.

The myth which I despise the most is that people are related to apes. It's one thing for a psychotic person to wildly fabricate such a crazy idea, but for sane people to believe him is just maddening.

Are you really that big a dumbfuck, or do you just play one on teh intrawebs? There's this whole field, it's called genetics. Studies of DNA have shown that we're related to just about everything living on the planet - genetic variation is only about ten percent. So yes, we're related to apes. And trees. And birds. And I share about ninety percent of my DNA with my father's bonsai trees.

EDIT: It occurs to me that I could be wrong about the percentage of shared DNA. Could someone with a more science-y background help me out? I seem to recall it being pretty high...

Ok, the OP stated a polictical myth, however the title of this thread says "Most hated Myths." So this is mine:

"Masturbation will cause your palms to be hairy." My palms are so not hairy, and I masturbate constantly. :p

TMI, dude. TMI.

Well, that's really not accurate. It was more of a manuever by people like the Marquis De Sade and others who could profit from gaining the reins of power, by inciting both envy and a populist/nationalist fervor, than just "I'm hungry, so I'm going to kill that guy." Just because you're hungry and someone has food doesn't automatically mean you're going to kill them. Otherwise, no volunteers would ever leave a homeless shelter alive.

It was the result of many things. You can't just blame nationalism/populism. The economic conditions resulting from an idiotic monarchy was a huge part of it, too. As was drought and unease in social status. None of the esates where satisfied. They had all been stirred up, again resulting from two weak Kings in a row. Among with so many other issues. You can't simply blame it one factor. That is completely over simplifing history. We need some system there to make sure the is some order and that most people have food in their bellies. When they don't in when you get the young men forming gangs, rioting, terrorism, blah blah blah.

Again though, you're assuming that they would obey a third party. So, as you said, you arm the third party and yourself. So you get the Hatfields and the McCoys.

Not unless they willfully go out and try to agitate both you and the third party. Which, if they want to stay in business, they won't. Violence is dangerous for a PDA because it reduces the value of their capital. They will prefer to just cooperate in order to keep their base and their capital secure.

That's what I love about Anarchists or Libertarians, they always seem to on one hand say you can't trust the people in government because people are greedy, but somehow seem to think that abolishing government would make people less greedy and would somehow work out.

I never said government doesn't work because people are "greedy", whatever you might be defining that word as. I am saying it doesn't work because there is no consensually agreed upon impartial third party, and thus no contract, and also that just as one cannot sign a contract to become a slave, neither can one sign a contract to sign away one's right to self-defense, i.e. protection of one's rights (moral powers.) From its very outset, as an inherently coercive institution that takes away one's right of self-defense, it has failed as a protector of rights.

ANY conspiracy theory! I mean, come on, does anyone really think that the human race is intellegent enough to actually pull of a true conspiracy? Are there really evil shadow organizations with nothing better to do but shape human history then cover it up?
I think what is really happening is that people don't want to think that random shit happens that they can't control. A favorite president dies by a random assassian? No, it had to be multiple shooters working for a secret government inside the government! Hard work and human ingenuity allow ancient civilzations to build impressive structures or allow men to walk on the surface of the moon while you are still sitting in your parent's basement, posting on the internet in your underwear? No, it has to be aliens or a fake! A group of religious fanatics with a hatred of America, fly airplanes into buildings killing thousands of people? No, it was the government plot so they could invade Iraq for their oil! (well... not quite, but they definitely took advantage of it)
Sure there ae small conspiracies such as some corporations getting lucrative government contracts when they have a board member in a position of power or a politician covering up wrong doings from the press, but nothing even close to the scale conspiracy theorists claim.

The myth that women make fifty-some cents to a "man's" dollar. That, and most of the stuff that radical feminists spout.

The myth that Max Barry is an Australian author. Everyone knows that he's the latest incarnation of C'thulhu.

The myth that Russinas were involved at all in Latin America during the Cold War.

Sorry, yanquis, but the only people interfering in Latin American politics were you guys.

The myth that Russinas were involved at all in Latin America during the Cold War.

Sorry, yanquis, but the only people interfering in Latin American politics were you guys.

Cuban Missile Crisis?

The myth that women make fifty-some cents to a "man's" dollar. That, and most of the stuff that radical feminists spout.

Erm... Last I heard, we'd gone up to something like eighty or ninety cents on the dollar. Better than it was, but not near as good as it should be. And please, elucidate on what it is that radical feminists spout.

The myth that Max Barry is an Australian author. Everyone knows that he's the latest incarnation of C'thulhu.

Cthulhu doesn't have incarnations, smartass. Max Barry IS Cthulhu :eek:

;)

Yes, that's what he wants you to think.

No it isn't, in fact, he just told me it isn't. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fthagn!

Cthulhu doesn't have incarnations, smartass. Max Barry IS Cthulhu :eek:

;)

Yes, that's what he wants you to think.

Hmmm, hands down, the theory of creation as told by christains, muslims, or any other hokey religious person, in a vain attempt to explain the purpose of mankind... In service to some invisible man, or group of deities, in the sky.

:eek:
He's gotten to you too!
*dons tinfoil hat*
*flees country*

Bah, you can run, but you can't hide forever. Cthulhu fthagn, but he will rise again and cover the earth in dark madness.

No it isn't, in fact, he just told me it isn't. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fthagn!

:eek:
He's gotten to you too!
*dons tinfoil hat*
*flees country*

Worst myth: religion, or any belief in the supernatural for that matter.

Bah, you can run, but you can't hide forever. Cthulhu fthagn, but he will rise again and cover the earth in dark madness.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Cthulhu doesn't have incarnations, smartass. Max Barry IS Cthulhu :eek:

;)

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Translation: In his house in Australia Max Barry waits dreaming

Cuban Missile Crisis?

By the time the Russinas were involved in Cuba, the US had already been kicked out.

I'm talking about all those times the US supported right wing dictatorships while rationalising it all away with the Cold War myth of Soviet intervention.

Rigoberta Menchu tells of looking at her brother's corpse while some officer from the military dictatorship tells her it is the body of a 'foreign instigator'.

Erm... Last I heard, we'd gone up to something like eighty or ninety cents on the dollar. Better than it was, but not near as good as it should be. And please, elucidate on what it is that radical feminists spout.

The problem is that that statistic doesn't take into account skill, risky job conditions, or whether the employee works full time or part time. If you actually work it out, between a man and a woman with identical jobs, the woman will make around 97 cents on the man's dollar. Still a problem, but not nearly as huge as the gap that many feminists cite. Warren Farrell's "Why Men Earn More" goes into this issue in great detail.

I don't have a problem with feminism, but as my dad was a men's rights activist I sometimes feel a need to point out that women are not the only victims of discrimination in the United States. We should be actively working to advance the status of both sexes, not just one.

Enlightened monarchy. Or none at all.

There is no such thing as "enlightened rule" by one person. A whole gambit of so-called revolutionary leaders tried that philosophy. Look back at the history of Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, then tell me that any person can rule absolutely and still remain enlightened.

The myth I hate most is that people use only 10% of their brain. It's only true for the people perpetuating the myth.

The myth which I despise the most is that people are related to apes. It's one thing for a psychotic person to wildly fabricate such a crazy idea, but for sane people to believe him is just maddening.

Well when you think about it, you are also related to the cells that make up your organs and make you sick.

Mine? Religion is the root of all evil. That the myth I hate the most.

Mine? Religion is the root of all evil. That the myth I hate the most.

Amen to that.

I don't have a problem with feminism, but as my dad was a men's rights activist I sometimes feel a need to point out that women are not the only victims of discrimination in the United States. We should be actively working to advance the status of both sexes, not just one.

And that's what feminism, at its core, does. It promotes the crazy idea that everyone deserves equality. the problem is that most of the inequality falls on women (and yes, I know that life isn't always a chair of bowlies for men, but for the gods sakes, how many men do you hear about getting raped? Abused by spouses? Denied medical care or prescriptions?). Yes, there are nut jobs in feminism. There are also nut jobs in every movement, hobby, etc. That doesn't make what's being said or done any less important.

Oh that reminds me of one I've heard before: "Men can't be raped."

Yeah.

Oh that reminds me of one I've heard before: "Men can't be raped."

Yeah.

In my state, men can't be raped, as far as I understand the law.

ANY conspiracy theory!Really? Two people have never conspired to commit a crime?

anything relating to religion. its all myths and its all crap

The myth that FreedomandGlory is related to an ape....

OH WAIT THAT'S NOT A MYTH!

Jews are cheap.

Jews are cheap.
They are if you buy them in bulk.

The myth that the Christian Right is "taking this country back for God", rather than their own desire for power and control over others.

The myth that the Christian Right is "taking this country back for God", rather than their own desire for power and control over others.

Kinda like islamic facism in the middle east?

Jews are cheap.

Scotsmen are cheap.

And Jewish Scotsmen, well... two stereotypes for the price of one.

Hated mths of mine:

-Fox News is fake

-Democrats only goal is too raise taxes

-All Republicans are corrupt

-Agnosticism is a belief in itself

-Christians are fanatic wackos

-China is a fully communist state

-Hillary Clinton is evil

-John Edwards and John Kerry are gay (Did that dissappear after the elections?)

-We went too war for oil

-All Britans have bad teeth

-Guns kill people (By themselves.....)

-Socialized medicine would work in America

That Nuclear Energy is the most dangerous thing on the planet.

I am God. Seriously, it is a common mistake.

There is no such thing as "enlightened rule" by one person. A whole gambit of so-called revolutionary leaders tried that philosophy. Look back at the history of Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, then tell me that any person can rule absolutely and still remain enlightened.


Octavius (Augustus), Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Napoléon Bonaparte, Charlemagne, and Otto von Bismarck, just to name a few.
the world is not all good or all evil.

of course i do not support enlightened despotism, because it is only a short term fix before the person either does get corrupted or even if they don't they can only live so long, and it is impossible to get heirs that match up to them for more than a few generations, if that.
democracy on the other hand, has some staying power.
it is without a doubt my second favorite form of government.
especially the tried and true blend we have in america.

the only thing that compares is an oligarchical republic, it is autocratic enough to get things done, yet balanced enough that the power never gets a chance to corrupt, as it is not absolute for one person, it keeps them all on their toes.
sadly, it is absolutely impracticable for this day and age, i long to go back to the days of the most serene republic....

anyway as to my most hated myth

"children are our future"
its just not true.
Robots are our future.

-Socialized medicine would work in America[/B]
It sure won't work if you don't want it to.

It sure won't work if you don't want it to.

I honestly am skeptical about socialized Medicin in America

The myth that the Christian Right is "taking this country back for God", rather than their own desire for power and control over others.

I dunno, maybe the desire for power is a strong incentive but I do think that their are a lot of fundos out there who genuinely beleive that they are doing the work of God.

The myth that FreedomandGlory is related to an ape....

OH WAIT THAT'S NOT A MYTH!

Please don't flame.

What form of government is the US again? (rhetorical question)
Recite the Pledge of Allegiance to yourself before you answer.

The United States is NOT a democracy. It is a republic. Really, I promise. As in SPQR (or maybe SPQUS) and all.

I honestly am skeptical about socialized Medicin in America

Well your playing right into the hands of the profit healthcare companies then who make lots of money by charging massive premiums for healthcare etc, in a wealthy country like the US where half of bankruptcies are from people not being able to pay for healthcare, I think you should look to the social scandinavian models.

Gangs increase property values? :eek:

Seriously, no. That's a non-sequitur, as you do not explain how PDAs and gangs are equivalent. There's no contracting with a gang; they just take from you. With a PDA, you make a contract, and one of the requirements of a legitimate contract is an impartial third party. There is no third party with a gang. And neither is there if you have a dispute with the government...
You have quite the rose colored glasses.
Who is this third party I'm contracting? Sounds much like a court. And, oddly enough, the only country currently in anarchy (Somalia) has witnessed the courts turning into mini-governments. Even lease out private defence and all.
The myth that Russinas were involved at all in Latin America during the Cold War.

Sorry, yanquis, but the only people interfering in Latin American politics were you guys.
yanquis?
k. It is yankees. and yankees are only from the Northeast, specifically, New England.

What form of government is the US again? (rhetorical question)
Recite the Pledge of Allegiance to yourself before you answer.

The United States is NOT a democracy. It is a republic. Really, I promise. As in SPQR (or maybe SPQUS) and all.
democratic republic. a democracy is impossible to run at this point in time.

It sure won't work if you don't want it to.

Oh im sorry if my lack of faith is disturbing.

theres no thing like socialized medicine! *click*

theres no thing like socialized medicine! *click*

theres no thing like socialized medicine! *click*

There's a myth that seems to prevail everywhere - that one person's opinion is as good as another's. This is not true. One person's right to his/her opinion is as good as another's right. The opinions themselves are only as good as the facts that back them up.

The myth that Russinas were involved at all in Latin America during the Cold War.

Sorry, yanquis, but the only people interfering in Latin American politics were you guys.

Wrong. Both the U.S. and U.S.S.R. meddled extensively in the region.

... Oh, I should probably go Asian now and stop talking. (I actually am a quarter Japanese =D) I've been being Irish for wayyyy too long now. (I have strong suspicions that I'm more than a quarter Irish.) Bye everyone!

P.S. If this post is offensive in any way, I'll be happy to delete it. See, I have no idea what the heck I was saying when I was writing it. (YAY GERMAN, WHICH I AM ONE QUARTER OR MORE OF!) Yeah, I might as well delete some crazy rant I went on during one of my less lucid (read: more German) states, like Bavaria, and... I should prolly take my Singulair... and a shower... and maybe read some books... Egh, I'm falling asleep. Bye for real this time. =\

Quarter German and quarter Japanese? Half axis I'd say :p .

My grandfather came from Bavaria. Bit of an odd place from what I gather.

If every neuron in a persons brain fired simultaneously it would most likely kill them. Not give them superpowers. Like pressing all the keys on my keyboard at once doesn't make my posts better.

People also tend to forget that there is a fair amount of the brain that is just support cells, not neurons.

Erm... Last I heard, we'd gone up to something like eighty or ninety cents on the dollar. Better than it was, but not near as good as it should be. And please, elucidate on what it is that radical feminists spout.


Umm is it moustache hair?

Mine? Religion is the root of all evil. That the myth I hate the most.

Yeah we all know it's the love of money!

that letting little green pieces of paper get away with murder will somehow magicly produce everything that needs to exist, and do so with perfect efficiency and least possible burden to everyone.

that letting governments weasil out of any ligitimate justification for their existence will make them dry up and blow away.

to any honest, non-self-deceptive observation, both of these have proven themselves false, consistantly and repeatedly, and yet continue to be cherished by so called conservatives.

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EDIT: It occurs to me that I could be wrong about the percentage of shared DNA. Could someone with a more science-y background help me out? I seem to recall it being pretty high...

It is about a 2% difference between chimps and humans.

The myth that Max Barry is an Australian author. Everyone knows that he's the latest incarnation of C'thulhu.

Nah, he is Dr Who's latest incarnation ;) .

that letting little green pieces of paper get away with murder will somehow magicly produce everything that needs to exist, and do so with perfect efficiency and least possible burden to everyone.

that letting governments weasil out of any ligitimate justification for their existence will make them dry up and blow away.

to any honest, non-self-deceptive observation, both of these have proven themselves false, consistantly and repeatedly, and yet continue to be cherished by so called conservatives.

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You win!

It is about a 2% difference between chimps and humans.

Umm I though that the most recent findings put it at less then 1%?

Umm I though that the most recent findings put it at less then 1%?

That was when George W. Bush was the test subject. He blew the curve. ;)

That Jesus Christ was the son of god


If someone said it already than consider it seconded, thirded or fourthed.

That was when George W. Bush was the test subject. He blew the curve. ;)

Bwhahahaha!:D

Erm... Last I heard, we'd gone up to something like eighty or ninety cents on the dollar. Better than it was, but not near as good as it should be. And please, elucidate on what it is that radical feminists spout.

I learned about this in an economics class in college. The University of Michigan apparently did a study on this that exposed this myth. Yes, if you want to compare the average woman's salary to the average man's, the average man's is significantly higher. However, this is not due to bull-headed sexism. It's due to five things.

Men tend to work longer hours than women. When many people are paid by the hour, that makes a difference. The gap closes when this is factored in.
Men tend to have more education than women. Yes, women earn five out of every nine bachelor's degrees today. Today. The workforce is a representation of the last 40-50 years. And men still earn about five out of every nine advanced degrees (M.D., J.D., Ph.D., and M.B.A.)
Men also have more experience on average, And more tenure. This is two things in one. Women are more likely to take time away from the workforce to raise kids.
The kicker - job choice. Man or woman, a surgeon is more likely to clear six figures than a secretary. A bank vice president earns more than a janitor. And as unfortunate as it is, a business schmoozer earns more than a nurse.

When all things are considered equal, women make about 99 cents to the dollar that men make, which is roughly equal and within any potential margin of error. Feminists want equal pay for equal work? They got it. Now they just need to solve that pesky "equal work" thing.

Wrong. Both the U.S. and U.S.S.R. meddled extensively in the region.

Yes, people keep claiming that, but I have yet to see any proof. Other than the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Soviets were very limited in Latin America, offering assistance or deals on a limited basis.

But thanks for trying to perpetuate my least favourite myth, because it gives me a chance to debunk it. Here's an essay written by a lieutenant colonel in the USAF, discussing outside involvement in Latin America: linky. (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/may-jun/smith.html)

I'll quote the relevant bit:

Various nations’ foreign policies toward Latin America have been widely divergent. On the one hand there is the long-term policy of the United States that spawned the Alliance for Progress. On the other there is the “No policy is the best policy” approach that has been successful for such powers as Japan and more recently the Soviet Union. This approach is characterized for the most part by short-term or ad hoc actions. “The Soviet Union often operates in the West by individual offers at strategic moments and places. For instance, on the day that the United States ambassador visited Brazil’s President Arturo Costa e Silva to inform him officially that Washington was reducing its military aid program, the Soviet ambassador appeared and offered Brazil credits for a subway and bridge for Rio de Janeiro.”

Well, that seems to indicate that the Soviets have no overriding policy of controlling political affairs in Latin America. Meanwhile, the USA has a whole doctrine that deals specifically with keeping other countries out of the Americas, the Monroe Doctrine.

Please, provide me with some proof of Soviet involvement in Latin America.

Umm I though that the most recent findings put it at less then 1%?

I think it depends what method of comparison you use:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/238852_chimp01.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0831_050831_chimp_genes.html
http://www.genome.gov/17516742

Aryan race.

Aryan race.

Hehehe. <3 that myth.

That was when George W. Bush was the test subject. He blew the curve. ;)

LMAO.

that letting little green pieces of paper get away with murder will somehow magicly produce everything that needs to exist, and do so with perfect efficiency and least possible burden to everyone.
You're running out of material, aren't you?

Yes, people keep claiming that, but I have yet to see any proof. Other than the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Soviets were very limited in Latin America, offering assistance or deals on a limited basis.

But thanks for trying to perpetuate my least favourite myth, because it gives me a chance to debunk it. Here's an essay written by a lieutenant colonel in the USAF, discussing outside involvement in Latin America: linky. (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/may-jun/smith.html)

I'll quote the relevant bit:



Well, that seems to indicate that the Soviets have no overriding policy of controlling political affairs in Latin America. Meanwhile, the USA has a whole doctrine that deals specifically with keeping other countries out of the Americas, the Monroe Doctrine.

Please, provide me with some proof of Soviet involvement in Latin America.

And don't forget, we gave ourselves the Roosevelt Corollary so that we could enforce it.

the myth that Fox News is News...

Your voice for evil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-OQRO1BOw&mode=related&search=) :D:D

read the ticker at the bottom lolz...

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/5/5e/Propaganda_foxnews.jpg

the Soviets were very limited in Latin America

Limited? Like the billions of dollars they pumped into Cuba? Like the massive quantity of arms and scores of military advisors that they sent to the Sandinista government? Like the aid they provided for the Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front, the Manuel Rodríguez Patriotic Front, and virtually every other left-wing terrorist organization in Latin America?

Please, provide me with some proof of Soviet involvement in Latin America.

Why bother? People like you only see what they want to see.

That people only screw each over in commerce because the government is involved.
That people always act in their own long-term self-interest.

Aryan race.

As far as I know, Iran is translated 'Land of the Aryans'.

Limited? Like the billions of dollars they pumped into Cuba? Like the massive quantity of arms and scores of military advisors that they sent to the Sandinista government? Like the aid they provided for the Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front, the Manuel Rodríguez Patriotic Front, and virtually every other left-wing terrorist organization in Latin America?



Why bother? People like you only see what they want to see.

You forgot the KGB support for Allende during the early years of his presidency.

I am not your average leftist teenager with a Che Guevara t-shirt. I am perfectly willing to concede Soviet intervention in Latin America. Common sense dictates that there be some involvement, even if it was just capitalising on anti-US sentiment in Latin America.

Now, in your post you have made some claims. Perhaps you could provide a source that supports such claims.

I am perfectly willing to concede Soviet intervention in Latin America.

That's all I ask.

As far as I know, Iran is translated 'Land of the Aryans'.

Correct.

I found this interesting tidbit of news: an article discussing the extent of Soviet involvement in the FMLN. Some tidbits that I thought might be important to note:

FMLN leaders were also swayed by changes in Eastern Europe. Most, including the FMLN's top comandante and strategist, Joaquin Villalobos, supported popular reform movements there. Two months after the collapse of the Berlin Wall, a January 1990 internal document was published, which praises the "social forces that demand more democracy and independence" in Eastern Europe and openly rejects a one-party state.

"The people are removing the authoritarian, inept, and corrupt governments," notes the document. "The masses feel ... they must sweep out the mistakes of the parties in power, as well as their old and closed formulas."

That’s right. The FMLN supported the collapse of the Soviet Union. This is not to say that the FMLN did not recieve any funds, because they did. However, the FMLN and its support was entirely homegrown and has survived without Soviet support.

The Soviet Union, Cuba, and to a lesser degree Nicaragua provided funds, weapons, and training to the FMLN throughout the war, FMLN veterans here say. But the support was heaviest in the early 1980s, they say.

While Moscow began to distance itself from the FMLN in 1986, East Germany continued to train Salvadorans until the collapse of the Berlin Wall, according to an East German who worked with the FMLN there.

In order to make up the aid shortfall, the FLMN developed new sources of weapons and funds from radical third-world countries including Vietnam and North Korea, and won substantial funding from church groups in the US and Western Europe, FMLN veterans say.

The Cubans, however, were the FMLN's most consistent backers, providing specialized military training, as well as materiel and other support to the Salvadoran insurgency throughout the war, FLMN veterans say.

"We still have relations with Cuba, Vietnam and others," says Ramon Medrano, a member of the FMLN's top political commission, "and we have a right to."

The insurgency also received substantial funds from several social democratic Scandinavian countries, especially in the early 1980s, according to FMLN veterans.

This eclectic base of support boosted the insurgency, FMLN leaders say. Nonetheless, they insist that the insurgency itself was domestically rooted, and that degree of foreign support was always exaggerated by the US.

Some Western experts agree. "I don't think there's any question the Cubans helped the FMLN," said Dr. Smith. "[But] the movement would have continued without any outside help at all."
link (http://www.franksmyth.com/A5584C/clients/franksmyth/frankS2.nsf/1ddd30350ee6ca4385256b6c005611d3/2d5727778ce702c785256b7b00790663?OpenDocument)

Consequently, we can dismiss such support as negligible.

Here’s another article discussing the increase of AK-47s used by the FMLN in the 1980s. Is this evidence of Soviet involvement? Let’s see:

On Wednesday, Salvadoran authorities showed reporters more than 300 Soviet- and Chinese-made weapons captured from FMLN forces. It is the largest arms cache recovered by the government in the war. Weapons were of diverse origin, including AK-47s with Soviet, Chinese, and Yugoslavian markings. But authorities offered no evidence as to how the arms entered the country.

According to FMLN official Gustavo, most of the weapons were bought from the Nicaraguan Contras. But he conceded that some of the weapons were obtained from "other channels." Asked to elaborate on those channels, the guerrilla leader refused, saying they were secrets of war.

U.S. officials, on the other hand, deny that rebels bought the AKs from the Contras. In a seven-page document which journalists were allowed to read but not copy, embassy officials claimed that Cuba and Nicaragua are the "bulk suppliers" of the new arms.

According to the embassy document, which is labeled "For Official Use Only," Salvadoran authorities have captured documents indicating arms and ammunition shipments. The embassy document also states that weapons shipments by boat along El Salvador's Pacific coast have been detected. But when asked to produce further evidence, a U.S. official said he could not because the information was classified.

In a telephone interview, Dr. Wayne Smith of the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies doubted the embassy's claim. "My yardstick, based on past experience, is to accept nothing that the embassy says, nothing the U.S. government says on this subject without seeing the hard evidence and the data to back it." An ex-career diplomat and the former head of the U.S. Interests Section in Cuba, Smith added, "They've said this so many times that their credibility is gone."

link (http://www.franksmyth.com/A5584C/clients/franksmyth/frankS2.nsf/d691f7231a262b8d85256b6c005611d1/b291f0b57a8109698525702d0052cacb?OpenDocument)

That’s right. The FMLN supported the collapse of the Soviet Union. This is not to say that the FMLN did not recieve any funds, because they did. However, the FMLN and its support was entirely homegrown and has survived without Soviet support.

Very little was provided directly by the Soviets; most was provided through their proxy states, Cuba and Nicaragua.

Very little was provided directly by the Soviets; most was provided through their proxy states, Cuba and Nicaragua.

Again, I would like to see some proof for this claim.

As far as I know, Iran is translated 'Land of the Aryans'.

Aryan is not a race. It is a pseudo-scientific "theory" which has caught on and has a life on its own now.

Being an aryan has got nothing to do with any physical characteristic.

Aryan is not a race. It is a pseudo-scientific "theory" which has caught on and has a life on its own now.

Being an aryan has got nothing to do with any physical characteristic.

I've always wondered whether the concept started with us Indians or with the Germans first. I mean, we're "Indo-Aryan," largely, and Dravidian in the south.

I've always wondered whether the concept started with us Indians or with the Germans first. I mean, we're "Indo-Aryan," largely, and Dravidian in the south.

Just like Aryan, Dravidian is also an invented race.

Read through the origins of this theory and you will understand.

http://www.sabha.info/research/aif.html

Even the very date of this supposed invasion by the supposed aryan race was picked arbitrarily to suit biblical dates.

Actual scientific genetic reasearch by Oppenheimer, Kivisild etc debunk this myth of aryans as a race.

The Jesus one.

I like the myth that Australia exists. We all know the earth is flat.

I like the myth that Australia exists. We all know the earth is flat.

Yup its true and the flat earth revolves around Northern Ireland. Think of us like the worlds axle

All roads lead to Belfast!

All roads lead to Belfast!

Fixed :p

Fixed :p

I fixed it before you fixed it :p .

I fixed it before you fixed it :p .

Damn bloody fake Australians. I'll get you one day *shakes fist*

Damn bloody fake Australians. I'll get you one day *shakes fist*

Considering I am a figment of your imagination I think you might need some psychological help.

My most hated myth is that Bielefeld exists... It does not, ffs! it was just an invention by THEM.

Three fricken letters that probably needn't be stated.

My most hated myth is that Bielefeld exists... It does not, ffs! it was just an invention by THEM.

A friend of mine has a Bielefeld hat, he must be one of them.

And that's what feminism, at its core, does. It promotes the crazy idea that everyone deserves equality. the problem is that most of the inequality falls on women (and yes, I know that life isn't always a chair of bowlies for men, but for the gods sakes, how many men do you hear about getting raped? Abused by spouses? Denied medical care or prescriptions?). Yes, there are nut jobs in feminism. There are also nut jobs in every movement, hobby, etc. That doesn't make what's being said or done any less important.

Men are abused by spouses all the time. Abuse of men by female partners constitutes at least 20% of all abuse (the actual figure I remember is 30% but I want to be conservative. And realize that that figure was also probably an underestimate, since men grossly underreport abuse when compared to women) The only reason women suffer drastically greater rates of injury is because...well, men tend to be more muscular.

Yet, in the entire United States, there's not one shelter for battered men. There are plenty for women and children fleeing domestic violence, but none for men. This is a problem. Unfortunately, no one seems willing to do much about it.

People claim feminism's goal is to promote equality between the sexes. Then why call it feminism? Why the female sex in particular? Don't get me wrong, I agree that women in general are victims of far more discrimination than men; but, they are not the only victims of sexual discrimination, which almost everyone forgets.

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That George W. Bush is the president of the United States. I've always like that one.

Also, the myth that the vice president is a position in the executive branch. It's a legislative position unless the president dies or is unable to remain in office.

That George W. Bush is the president of the United States. I've always like that one.

He is the President whether you like it or not; both elections were stolen fair and square for him.

He is the President whether you like it or not; both elections were stolen fair and square for him.

Don't you ever give up sock puppet?

Also, electoral college = antidemocratic

My absolutely worst hated myth spawns from dramatized television particularly medical shows. When a person has no heart beat, flat lined completely, and what do the doctors do? Pull out the paddles and shock the person back to life.

You cannot shock a stopped heart. If there is no electrical activity, there is nothing to disrupt, which is what defibrillation does. It stops your heart's electrical activity, it does not restart it. And mostly everyone who ends up in V-fib will die as a result of continued fibrillation.

Don't you ever give up sock puppet?

Yes, sometimes I do give up. It is never a pretty thing.

Please don't call me sock puppet.