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Which is the lamest of all the fake religions out there? Which one is so stupid that you just couldn't join one because of its sheer stupidity? Scientology is obvious, I would like to hear of some strange ones.

Communism

Communism

Nah, Juche. North Korea's state-sponsored communist personality cult.

Luminism. It apposses everything we troglobites are for.

Which is the lamest of all the fake religions out there? Which one is so stupid that you just couldn't join one because of its sheer stupidity? Scientology is obvious, I would like to hear of some strange ones.

Heh well apart from Christianity I would have to say Eckankar

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.religion.eckankar/topics?lnk=gschg&hl=en

i dont suppose its a religion per se but its certainly religionesque

the otakukin

those who believe themselves to be the incarnation of game and anime characters.

Robotology.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pennck/grabs/priestsmall.gif

i dont suppose its a religion per se but its certainly religionesque

the otakukin

those who believe themselves to be the incarnation of game and anime characters.

I'm astorboy. Let my biding be done.

Which is the lamest of all the fake religions out there? Which one is so stupid that you just couldn't join one because of its sheer stupidity? Scientology is obvious, I would like to hear of some strange ones.Judaism. The strangest and most stupid of them all. And it's completely fake, too.

those who believe themselves to be the incarnation of game.

I lost game.

Communism


Communism isn't a religion. It's a social belief.

And for the record it's the best social belief.

Communism


Communism isn't a religion. It's a social belief.

And for the record it's the best social belief.

Communism isn't a religion. It's a social belief.

And for the record it's the best social belief.

Communism is an economic system.

Whoever said that anime one a little further up is right.

There is nothing worse than anime. Even death is better than anime.

Communism isn't a religion. It's a social belief.

And for the record it's the best social belief.

Damn straight.

I think the OP should provide a clear definition of 'fake religion'. United Beleriand, rather predictably, chose Judaism, as (s)he considers Judaism to be fake, yet many people all over the world would disagree that it is fake, much as a practicing Scientologist would question the OP's assertion that Scientology is fake.

Are cargo cults fake or real? Most westerners consider them to be fake, yet they do have a small following.

Some religions are obviously fake, though. Invisible Pink Unicorn worship and Pastafarianism are the two coolest examples of those. To be honest, I can't think of a single lame parody religion.

I think the OP should provide a clear definition of 'fake religion'. United Beleriand, rather predictably, chose Judaism, as (s)he considers Judaism to be fake, yet many people all over the world would disagree that it is fake, much as a practicing Scientologist would question the OP's assertion that Scientology is fake.

Are cargo cults fake or real? Most westerners consider them to be fake, yet they do have a small following.

Some religions are obviously fake, though. Invisible Pink Unicorn worship and Pastafarianism are the two coolest examples of those. To be honest, I can't think of a single lame parody religion.

Scientology is fake though. (Psst, he said it, not me!) I mean that whole Volcano nonsense, what's that about? It can't even take a joke either.

Its a religion because its based on dogmas and is totaly unrelated to the truth.

Btw, has no one questioned why all comunist beliefs are against religion? Because they dont like competition.

And believing in comunism means you believe in the welfare of your state above your own. That means you think your "mother" or "father" state is more important than you are. And you dont question it.

Communism is as much as a religion as all others. Its unreal, its stupid, and it requires you to believe in it blindly, because it goes against all human instincts and normal behavior.

Atheism. Most confusing, contradicting system of beliefs I've ever encountered. The whole point is to do your best to deny the existence of God and prove that your life is meaningless.
"Hey what do you believe?"
"I believe in nothing."
"Isn't that a bit of a..."
"No!"
"Geez, alright."

You have to admire their social welfare system though. If they get the money right then communism (and Marxism from which it stems) can work quite well. It's very much prone to corruption though.

Which is the lamest of all the fake religions out there? Which one is so stupid that you just couldn't join one because of its sheer stupidity? Scientology is obvious, I would like to hear of some strange ones.

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What makes Xenu the nuke stuffing volcano maniac any less legitimate than magical cannabalistic zombies?

The Infected Badlands: ...that's not a belief system. It's recognizing reality.

All of the Abrahamic Religions.

Ummm...Probably should have been more clear:)

I mean so called 'lesser religions'...nothing organized.

I'd prefer people not put down things like Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and such. You know, nothing that's a major religion.

That one where people think they're reincarnated anime characters sounds about right.

Atheism. Most confusing, contradicting system of beliefs I've ever encountered. The whole point is to do your best to deny the existence of God and prove that your life is meaningless.
"Hey what do you believe?"
"I believe in nothing."
"Isn't that a bit of a..."
"No!"
"Geez, alright."

how do people jump from the idea that god doesn't exsist to life being meaningless? the whole idea of atheism is to make your own meaning instead of having some book tell you what the meaning of life is....DUH
:mp5:

and read some nietzsche before talking about atheism!

Atheism. Most confusing, contradicting system of beliefs I've ever encountered. The whole point is to do your best to deny the existence of God and prove that your life is meaningless.
"Hey what do you believe?"
"I believe in nothing."
"Isn't that a bit of a..."
"No!"
"Geez, alright."
Ironically, God is an atheist.

Atheism. Most confusing, contradicting system of beliefs I've ever encountered. The whole point is to do your best to deny the existence of God and prove that your life is meaningless.
"Hey what do you believe?"
"I believe in nothing."
"Isn't that a bit of a..."
"No!"
"Geez, alright."


since i put forth the otakukin as a religion, i will accept (for the purposes of this thread only) that atheism can count as a religion.

while it may be lame, it is certainly NOT a collection of beliefs. the only requirement for atheism is to not believe in any god. all other beliefs you might find associated with it are the personal beliefs of individuals, not a requirement of atheism.

Ironically, God is an atheist.
I don't follow.
[QUOTE=Ashmoria;12792474] otakukin/QUOTE]

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What?

I don't know. In my experience with listening to Theists and Atheists debate, they both take a great deal of faith on a lot of things. Both sides claim scientific evidence, and both claim to be right beyond a shadow of a doubt and cannot figure out why the other side is full of raving idiots. If you listen to all of the science journals, all of the philosophers, and all of the debates, ultimately there's no clarity. It all comes down to what you want to believe.

Atheism. Most confusing, contradicting system of beliefs I've ever encountered. The whole point is to do your best to deny the existence of God and prove that your life is meaningless.
"Hey what do you believe?"
"I believe in nothing."
"Isn't that a bit of a..."
"No!"
"Geez, alright."

Atheism does not equal nihilism.

Ironically, God is an atheist.

From what I've been told, I'm pretty sure God believes in Himself.

From what I've been told, I'm pretty sure God believes in Himself.

Yes, but he doesn't beleive in a higher power.

Christianity.

From what I've been told, I'm pretty sure God believes in Himself.

Well that'd be difficult since He's fictional.
jedi...ism?
Jedis are just Wiccans with swords.

jedi...ism?

matrixism??? inevitable really..

Yes, but he doesn't beleive in a higher power.

Who said that God can't be His own God. A god doesn't have to be a higher power. In some religions you can kill your own gods or you are your own god.

From what I've been told, I'm pretty sure God believes in Himself.

I agree. Mr T says you either gotta be somebody or be somebodies fool.

Who said that God can't be His own God. A god doesn't have to be a higher power. In some religions you can kill your own gods or you are your own god.

Self replicating infinities. Dead handy.

Atheism. Most confusing, contradicting system of beliefs I've ever encountered. The whole point is to do your best to deny the existence of God and prove that your life is meaningless.
"Hey what do you believe?"
"I believe in nothing."
"Isn't that a bit of a..."
"No!"
"Geez, alright."

Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. Nothing else. It is not a religion.

Ummm...Probably should have been more clear:)

I mean so called 'lesser religions'...nothing organized.

I'd prefer people not put down things like Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and such. You know, nothing that's a major religion.

That one where people think they're reincarnated anime characters sounds about right.

Otakukin sounds workable, though. I'd accept that I was the life incarnation of Vash the Stampede easier than I'd accept all the crap in most major religions.

So I'm Vash. Makes sense. What? Jesus? Wasn't that the guy that "came not to bring peace, but a sword" and then said "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword"? Yeah, fuck that nonsense, I'm Vash.


The only issue with that religion I can think of is if more than one person says he's the incarnation of the same character, but then using the magic of religion you could argue the spirit can inhabit more than one person, a la Holy Spirit of Vash the Stampede.

Jedis are just Wiccans with swords.

I love you dearly.

Atheism. Most confusing, contradicting system of beliefs I've ever encountered. The whole point is to do your best to deny the existence of God and prove that your life is meaningless.
"Hey what do you believe?"
"I believe in nothing."
"Isn't that a bit of a..."
"No!"
"Geez, alright."

That whole thing is based on an innacurate description by an atheist about atheism. Take it up with their use of the English language

I love you dearly.
You can prove it by quoting me in your signature.

since i put forth the otakukin as a religion, i will accept (for the purposes of this thread only) that atheism can count as a religion.

while it may be lame, it is certainly NOT a collection of beliefs. the only requirement for atheism is to not believe in any god. all other beliefs you might find associated with it are the personal beliefs of individuals, not a requirement of atheism.

Actually... simple unbelief does not quite qualify for Athiesm... but rather the complete surety and faith that no god can possibly exist, and since it is a belief (in specific lack of god(s) ) that is based not on complete proof, it does require faith, and since athiests have faith about religious matters ('religious' meaning any supernatural force in this context) Athiesm is indeed a religion, a religion that advocates the argument of a lack of god(s).

General unbelief is Agnosticism, along with not forming an opinion one way or the other regarding any spiritual matter....

It all comes down to what you want to believe.

until the bus or reality runs you over

The worst religions i've seen are those over in the states that consist of only 30 people and think that what they think is the only correct thing. Granted, they are entitled to think what they like but i saw this one group on TV that turns up to funerals for US soldiers returning from Iraq and start protesting. And it's not an anti-war thing, they protest because the US army have gay people and they are against that! I was disgusted when i saw it.

Otakukin sounds workable, though. I'd accept that I was the life incarnation of Vash the Stampede easier than I'd accept all the crap in most major religions.

So I'm Vash. Makes sense. What? Jesus? Wasn't that the guy that "came not to bring peace, but a sword" and then said "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword"? Yeah, fuck that nonsense, I'm Vash.


The only issue with that religion I can think of is if more than one person says he's the incarnation of the same character, but then using the magic of religion you could argue the spirit can inhabit more than one person, a la Holy Spirit of Vash the Stampede.

Whatever helps you masturbate.

And believing in comunism means you believe in the welfare of your state above your own. That means you think your "mother" or "father" state is more important than you are. And you dont question it.

How interesting. Someone who believes in a stateless society believes in the welfare of the state above all other things? A fantastic piece of doublethink.

Communism isn't a religion. It's a social belief.
What would that make religions? No, it is a politico-economic system. Some of its adherents might as well be cult fanatics, but that is a problem on their behalf.

And for the record it's the best social belief.
De gustibus non est disputandum.

The worst religions i've seen are those over in the states that consist of only 30 people and think that what they think is the only correct thing. Granted, they are entitled to think what they like but i saw this one group on TV that turns up to funerals for US soldiers returning from Iraq and start protesting. And it's not an anti-war thing, they protest because the US army have gay people and they are against that! I was disgusted when i saw it.

Ermm....they're not seperate religions.

Actually... simple unbelief does not quite qualify for Athiesm... but rather the complete surety and faith that no god can possibly exist, and since it is a belief (in specific lack of god(s) ) that is based not on complete proof, it does require faith, and since athiests have faith about religious matters ('religious' meaning any supernatural force in this context) Athiesm is indeed a religion, a religion that advocates the argument of a lack of god(s).

General unbelief is Agnosticism, along with not forming an opinion one way or the other regarding any spiritual matter....

no you are wrong. anyone with no belief in any god is an atheist.

they may hold out some hope or believe that it is impossible to tell, making them an agnostic atheist but it is the lack of belief that defines atheism.

how absolute that lack of belief is is irrelevant.

The worst religions i've seen are those over in the states that consist of only 30 people and think that what they think is the only correct thing. Granted, they are entitled to think what they like but i saw this one group on TV that turns up to funerals for US soldiers returning from Iraq and start protesting. And it's not an anti-war thing, they protest because the US army have gay people and they are against that! I was disgusted when i saw it.

im sure that every christian in the world is happy to have those vile nutcases thought of as an entirely seperate religion.

Um...all of them? That's kind of why I'm an atheist. I just can't suspend my disbelief in order to be religious.

Although I had the weirdest dream last night that I was converting to Islam. *shudders*

I think I just liked the prayer position.

How interesting. Someone who believes in a stateless society believes in the welfare of the state above all other things? A fantastic piece of doublethink.

Stateless society = anarquists, not communists.

Communism = the poor work, the rich wear red.

Nah, Juche. North Korea's state-sponsored communist personality cult.

Yeah, Juche is uniquely weird. It's got elements of communism, monarchism and bizarre ancestor worship all mixed into one delusion, famine ridden pot.

Atheism. Most confusing, contradicting system of beliefs I've ever encountered. The whole point is to do your best to deny the existence of God and prove that your life is meaningless.
"Hey what do you believe?"
"I believe in nothing."
"Isn't that a bit of a..."
"No!"
"Geez, alright."
...so many problems with this. and I'm just bored enough to take some on.
Atheism is not a system of beliefs. It is the lack of belief in a deity. If I were to ask you "Do you believe in the easter bunny", your reaction would probably be "no". It is the exact same reaction an atheist has to "Do you believe in God?" It isn't a rejection, nor a denial. It is the lack of a belife. It isn't "I believe in nothing", it is "I do not believe in a higher power." There is a difference there.
Atheism, as it has been pointed out, is not in any way nihilism. Nihilists believe life is meaningless. I am an atheist, yet I have plenty of meaning in my life.
Atheism is not the lack of belife in anything. It is merely the lack of belife in a higher power. I believe in plenty of things. Just not God.

Ummm...Probably should have been more clear:)

I mean so called 'lesser religions'...nothing organized.

I'd prefer people not put down things like Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and such. You know, nothing that's a major religion.

That one where people think they're reincarnated anime characters sounds about right.
Why not the main stream ones? They are all equally rediculous. Just because they are more accepted by people doesn't mean they aren't rediculous. Really, "Aliens placed us here" is not much different than "God placed us here".

Why not the main stream ones? They are all equally rediculous. Just because they are more accepted by people doesn't mean they aren't rediculous. Really, "Aliens placed us here" is not much different than "God placed us here".
True, but I think it was a rule of discretion. It's unlikely any Scientologists are here to be insulted by our cruel, cruel comments.
Also, I have a question about atheism, and I hope you don't take this as a challenge, I would really like to know: as an atheist, what do you base your morals on? Is it utilitarian (greatest happiness for greatest number) or is is something specific to you?

SubGeniuses everywhere recognize their own religion as not only superior to all other religions but also below all other religions.

As a rule.

I think I just liked the prayer position.

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Why's that?

That star wars religion, mormons...and hinduism (joke).

But most of all scientology

all religions are lame and they all must be banned because nearly all wears have started because of religion its stupid really:sniper:

True, but I think it was a rule of discretion. It's unlikely any Scientologists are here to be insulted by our cruel, cruel comments. Dangerous to assume that there are none here. If it is to prevent people from being offended, then all should be restricted. If people are offended by other people disliking their religion, they should probably grow a thicker skin.
If a Christian can rip on Scientology, then it is only fair play that they accept what they are willing to give.
Also, I have a question about atheism, and I hope you don't take this as a challenge, I would really like to know: as an atheist, what do you base your morals on? Is it utilitarian (greatest happiness for greatest number) or is is something specific to you?
generally, "do no harm" combined with "Do good". I base it on common sense and experience. I don't need the threat of a cosmic spanking to make me understand that stealing and murder are wrong, lying is bad, etc. These come from the most basic observations in my life, and I prefer to take full responsibility for my actions and decisions, rather than giving credit or blame to some etherial being.
It will vary from person to person, however.

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Why's that?

Well, more how the men do it.

Well, more how the men do it.

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Bowing submissively at your feet?

The cult of John Frum!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/eden/tanna_frum_soldier.jpg

the jedi knights are apparently a real religion and they must be the worst since they strive for the force yet would definitely not be able to do anything with it. it might be a religion thnat respects figurine collections or studio cinema making

the cargo cults of pacific islanders are pretty funny, mostly cuz they are demonstrably false. plus there's a group in Vanuatu that worships Prince Philip, they have to be the most misguided i've heard of.

The cult of John Frum!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/eden/tanna_frum_soldier.jpg

damn! beat me to it.

as an atheist, what do you base your morals on? Is it utilitarian (greatest happiness for greatest number) or is is something specific to you?

I was raised Catholic, so I think the Ten Commandments are a good place to start when it comes to morals.

all religions are lame and they all must be banned because nearly all wears have started because of religion its stupid really:sniper:

Gun smiley first post! Total class!

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Dangerous to assume that there are none here. If it is to prevent people from being offended, then all should be restricted. If people are offended by other people disliking their religion, they should probably grow a thicker skin.
If a Christian can rip on Scientology, then it is only fair play that they accept what they are willing to give.

You're right about the assumption I made, I was just assuming that's what the OP meant. Asking for the "lamest" religion (or lamest "religion") is in itself a dangerous question.
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all religions are lame and they all must be banned because nearly all wears have started because of religion its stupid really:sniper:

All wars were started for resources (or money, which could be considered a resource). Religion was just a cover. "God demands it!" is a bit more convincing than "My pockets are not as full as I would like them to be!"

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Bowing submissively at your feet?

No. I prefer the position for myself.

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Well I guess SOMEONE had to post it.

Well I guess SOMEONE had to post it.

I'm not sure if it counts as a religion if it's just one nut, but it is rather "lame".

All wars were started for resources (or money, which could be considered a resource). Religion was just a cover. "God demands it!" is a bit more convincing than "My pockets are not as full as I would like them to be!"
That's not what he said: he said "all wears were started" because of religion.

the cargo cults of pacific islanders are pretty funny, mostly cuz they are demonstrably false. plus there's a group in Vanuatu that worships Prince Philip, they have to be the most misguided i've heard of.

and the rastafarians who worship haile selassee, the late emperor of ethiopia who never claimed to be divine?

That's not what he said: he said "all wears were started" because of religion.
apologies, I'd assumed that was a typo.

and the rastafarians who worship haile selassee, the late emperor of ethiopia who never claimed to be divine?

Nothing lame about the amount of weed they get to smoke.

Btw, has no one questioned why all comunist beliefs are against religion? Because they dont like competition.

And believing in comunism means you believe in the welfare of your state above your own. That means you think your "mother" or "father" state is more important than you are. And you dont question it.

Communism is as much as a religion as all others. Its unreal, its stupid, and it requires you to believe in it blindly, because it goes against all human instincts and normal behavior.

You're thinking of State-Capitalism, as was practiced after the Bolshevik Revolution and similarily after Chairman Mao's rise to power in China. That's no more Communism than modern day Capitalism is Adam Smith's model of Capitalism. Communism is a whithering away of the State and a return to 'communes'. Hence, communism. What you were discussing was a growth of the State to encompass and fully dominate a command type economy based on capital. Hence, State-Capitalism.

Communism isn't a religion; it's an economic model.

Get your facts right, please, and then you can talk with grown-ups.

Which is the lamest of all the fake religions out there? Which one is so stupid that you just couldn't join one because of its sheer stupidity? Scientology is obvious, I would like to hear of some strange ones.

Is there any other kind?

and the rastafarians who worship haile selassee, the late emperor of ethiopia who never claimed to be divine?

don't know much about them, i thought they were a warped christian sect with some weird veneration for selassee as some sort of saviour. pretty crazy either way.

Nothing lame about the amount of weed they get to smoke.

yeh, they're really onto something there.

Why not the main stream ones? They are all equally rediculous. Just because they are more accepted by people doesn't mean they aren't rediculous. Really, "Aliens placed us here" is not much different than "God placed us here".

Meh...Mainstream Religions have more people in them, and thus, more of a chance to offend someone here on NSG. I picked out lesser ones as not to offend anyone here.;)

Is there any other kind?

Yes. "Real Religions" are the mainstream ones practiced around the world. Fake religions seem to be practiced by a core group of nutjobs(Tom Cruise is the poster boy of this type).

the jedi knights are apparently a real religion and they must be the worst since they strive for the force yet would definitely not be able to do anything with it. it might be a religion thnat respects figurine collections or studio cinema making

Jediism is an official religion in Britain, I love this bloody country :p

I'm pretty sure that according to census results there are more Jedi Knights in Britain than Jehovah's Witnesses... could be an urban myth though...*hoping it's true*

Yes. "Real Religions" are the mainstream ones practiced around the world. Fake religions seem to be practiced by a core group of nutjobs(Tom Cruise is the poster boy of this type).

So...Why didn't you say "Small religion" instead of "'religion'"?

Meh...Mainstream Religions have more people in them, and thus, more of a chance to offend someone here on NSG. I picked out lesser ones as not to offend anyone here.;)

If members of a mainstream religion can insult those in smaller religions, then they should be prepared to take the same insults. And yes, same applies for atheists.

*mocks everyone*


*flees angry mob*

The Invisible Pink unicorn, sorry to say it. Pastafarianism has more charme and the CoE and CoS better humor.

apologies, I'd assumed that was a typo.
I was joking; I think it is a typo. (I hope so. Otherwise all "capacities for withstanding continuous use without such damage" were caused by religion, and I don't know what that means).

Which one is so stupid that you just couldn't join one because of its sheer stupidity?

All of them.

Lamest (but not harmful)? Neo-pagan, Wiccan, or any other kind of New Age "religion."

Worst? Christianity.

If members of a mainstream religion can insult those in smaller religions, then they should be prepared to take the same insults. And yes, same applies for atheists.
I think a good rule of thumb is this: you can mock other religions if you belong to the true faith. And of course, because it is true, anyone mocking the true religion is committing blasphemy.
I'll leave it to you to figure which one that is.

So...Why didn't you say "Small religion" instead of "'religion'"?

Because there are small non-nutjob religions, like Sikhism, Jainism, Bahai Faith, Unitarianism, etc...

(That's my guess, anyways...)

And, to answer your original question, yes, there are non-fictional religions, like the above, plus the Abrahamic ones, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.

I think a good rule of thumb is this: you can mock other religions if you belong to the true faith. And of course, because it is true, anyone mocking the true religion is committing blasphemy.
I'll leave it to you to figure which one that is.
It's the mormons, isn't it? It's always the damned mormons.

I'm going to have to go with all faith based religions.

Asking which religion is the lamest is kind of like asking which poop is the crappiest.

All religions are fake.

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LMFAO

I'm not sure if it counts as a religion if it's just one nut, but it is rather "lame".

It's a whole lot of crap.

Which is the lamest of all the fake religions out there? Which one is so stupid that you just couldn't join one because of its sheer stupidity? Scientology is obvious, I would like to hear of some strange ones.

Pastafarianism

Three-way tie between christianity, judaism and islam.

Because there are small non-nutjob religions, like Sikhism, Jainism, Bahai Faith, Unitarianism, etc...
Bahá'í Faith is indeed probably the sanest of Abrahamic religions.

My choices for the lamest would probably be judaism and islam: Abusing & mutilating defenceless children is always high on the list of lameness.

And, to answer your original question, yes, there are non-fictional religions, like the above, plus the Abrahamic ones, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.

Abrahamic religions believe in a magical man in the sky who talks to people, and one of them believes in him walking the earth. And also in some cases believes that we do bad things because an evil guy underground who USED to be a magical man in the sky tells us too. And they are, by and large, intolerant.

Hinduism believes in a simply astronomical number of various heaven friends, spirits, evil heaven friends, and similar entities.

Buddhism believes in various entities, but I'll let it off the hook because it doesn't seem to cause much evil, tends to focus on personal betterment, and doesn't actually worship those entities.

Bahá'í Faith is indeed probably the sanest of Abrahamic religions.

My choices for the lamest would probably be judaism and islam: Abusing & mutilating defenceless children is always high on the list of lameness.

Umm...Christianity circumsizes kids too.

So far.. Scientology. I'd rather be around the Jim Jones crowd than them.

how do people jump from the idea that god doesn't exsist to life being meaningless? the whole idea of atheism is to make your own meaning instead of having some book tell you what the meaning of life is....DUH
:mp5:

and read some nietzsche before talking about atheism!

Heh it's easy man. I thought that you athesists were all about logic. Follow it out to it's logical conclusion.

You live, you do things in life, you die. Some time later nobody remembers you, your name, or what you done, rendering all that you did do meaningless.

Therefore atheism = nilhism.

Heh it's easy man. I thought that you athesists were all about logic. Follow it out to it's logical conclusion.

You live, you do things in life, you die. Some time later nobody remembers you, your name, or what you done, rendering all that you did do meaningless.

Therefore atheism = nilhism.
So the only thing that is meaningful is being remembered in hundreds of years?

Nope, sorry. Fail. Atheism still is not nihilism.

I think a good rule of thumb is this: you can mock other religions if you belong to the true faith. And of course, because it is true, anyone mocking the true religion is committing blasphemy.
I'll leave it to you to figure which one that is.


Man you should be free to mock anything that you deem mockable. The power of insult is with the person being insulted, it is litraly up to them to be insulted or not. We are taught this as children 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never harm me' and yet when we are all grown up we forget this.

Isn't that hypocritical, or is it moraly okay to tell these sort of lies to our kids?

So the only thing that is meaningful is being remembered in hundreds of years?

Nope, sorry. Fail. Atheism still is not nihilism.

Heh so what is meaning full to you?

Heh so what is meaning full to you?

How about enjoying life now?

I find it hilarious that theists only care about being remembered. Pretty egotistical if you ask me.

How about enjoying life now?

I find it hilarious that theists only care about being remembered. Pretty egotistical if you ask me.

Heheh every one is egotistical. How is enjoying life now, not egotistical? What meaning is there in enjoying life now, surly there is only enjoyment?

Personaly I don't care about being remembered, I do care about being okay with God.

Heheh every one is egotistical. How is enjoying life now, not egotistical? What meaning is there in enjoying life now, surly there is only enjoyment?

Personaly I don't care about being remembered, I do care about being okay with God.

Enjoying life does not equal egotism.

Enjoying life does not equal egotism.

Sorry how so? Enjoyment is all about feeding the ego, how is it not?

Heh it's easy man. I thought that you athesists were all about logic. Follow it out to it's logical conclusion.

You live, you do things in life, you die. Some time later nobody remembers you, your name, or what you done, rendering all that you did do meaningless.

Therefore atheism = nilhism.

You. Are. Wrong.


Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods[1] or rejects theism.[2] When defined more broadly, atheism is the absence of belief in deities, alternatively called nontheism.[3] Although atheists are commonly assumed to be irreligious, some religions, such as Buddhism, have been characterized as atheistic.[4][5]

Many self-described atheists are skeptical of all supernatural beings and cite a lack of empirical evidence for the existence of deities. Others argue for atheism on philosophical, social or historical grounds. Although many self-described atheists tend toward secular philosophies such as humanism[6] and naturalism,[7] there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that the world, especially past and current human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the following: there is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator, a "true morality" does not exist, and secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has no truth, and no action can be preferable to any other.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihlism

Although an atheist can be a nihilist, an atheist is not necessarily a nihilist.

Also, upon reading those pages, you'll notice nihilists totally reject the concept of morality, whereas moral beliefs such as secular humanism and hedonism are common among atheists. (Secular humanism moreso than hedonism.)

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Sorry how so? Enjoyment is all about feeding the ego, how is it not?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:egotism&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

"an exaggerated opinion of your own importance
ego: an inflated feeling of pride in your superiority to others "

Personaly I don't care about being remembered, I do care about being okay with God.

I'm sorry that you have to live your life in fear of some invisible entity.

You. Are. Wrong.

Ya know I actulay agree with you. I was just ragging on Stockonia for the tone of his comments.

However having said that I still see a lot of nilishism inherent in the 'typical' atheist stance. As I say if ultimatly you and all of your life will be forgotten about, then life litraly has no meaning.(excepting of course the remit of all life, to live and reproduce, to carry on genetic stock)

Ya know I actulay agree with you. I was just ragging on Stockonia for the tone of his comments.

However having said that I still see a lot of nilishism inherent in the 'typical' atheist stance. As I say if ultimatly you and all of your life will be forgotten about, then life litraly has no meaning.(excepting of course the remit of all life, to live and reproduce, to carry on genetic stock)

Again, why does something only have "meaning" if it is remembered for long periods of time?

I'm sorry that you have to live your life in fear of some invisible entity.

Don't feel sorry for me, I am very happy with my life, and how it is going, I don't live in fear of anything let alone God, why would I? God is not some invisible enterty to me, but rather I endevour to see God in all things(as such is my belife)I am fulfiled, I feel no sadness for how you choose to live your life. I live my life exactly how I wish to, and see it as hypocritical if I did not extend that curtise to all others.

So I have no problem with you doing the same as me and chooseing to live how you wish. The only problem I do have, with some atheists, is when they tell me how stupid I am, when they attack me for what I belive, without even acknowledging that we all have systems of belife, and we are all prone to the odd irational(without objective proof) belife.

Again, why does something only have "meaning" if it is remembered for long periods of time?

If you plant a tree in memory of a dead friend, is that meaning full?

Ya know I actulay agree with you. I was just ragging on Stockonia for the tone of his comments.


Man, I hate it when my well thought out arguments turn out to be against someone who agrees with me in the first place.

So I have no problem with you doing the same as me and chooseing to live how you wish. The only problem I do have, with some atheists, is when they tell me how stupid I am, when they attack me for what I belive, without even acknowledging that we all have systems of belife, and we are all prone to the odd irational(without objective proof) belife.

Which is exactly what YOU did when you said atheism equates to nihilism. I personally couldn't care less if someone believes in god or not.

Which is exactly what YOU did when you said atheism equates to nihilism. I personally couldn't care less if someone believes in god or not.

Heh sooooooo typing the follwing:

Athesim = Nilsihim

Is an attack. On what exatly? Is it isulting to say this, does it insult you? Is it like constantly telling you how stupid you are for either having a none belife in God or Gods, or not beliving in God or Gods?

I'm sorry, but I see no attack there.

All wars were started for resources (or money, which could be considered a resource). Religion was just a cover. "God demands it!" is a bit more convincing than "My pockets are not as full as I would like them to be!"

I seem to recall a scene in the latest Nightside book, where Our Hero is on the Street of the Gods, and a guy is haranguing passersby with something like this:

"Money and wealth are a burden, a way of keeping you from God! Let me take them on! I am strong!"

And when no one seems to buy it:

"Look, just give me all your money, or I'll beat you severely about the head and neck with this dead badger I happen to have on my person for perfectly good reasons."

I do love the Nightside books...

and the rastafarians who worship haile selassee, the late emperor of ethiopia who never claimed to be divine?

As someone said in Fluke: "It makes a lot more sense when you're stoned." But that's true of just about everything, isn't it?

If you plant a tree in memory of a dead friend, is that meaning full?

Its meaningful. All one word

Buddy you have a lot of nerve by labeling certain religions as "fake".

Why?

Which is the lamest of all the fake religions out there? Which one is so stupid that you just couldn't join one because of its sheer stupidity? Scientology is obvious, I would like to hear of some strange ones.

Buddy you have a lot of nerve by labeling certain religions as "fake".

Its meaningful. All one word

Meh, don't matter though really does it. In the grand scheme of things you could still understand what I meant.:p

Buddy you have a lot of nerve by labeling certain religions as "fake".

Umm but as most religions claim to be the only true faith, then it follows that the rest must be fake?

Meh, don't matter though really does it. In the grand scheme of things you could still understand what I meant.:p

Yeah was just bugging me :p

Which is the lamest of all the fake religions out there? Which one is so stupid that you just couldn't join one because of its sheer stupidity? Scientology is obvious, I would like to hear of some strange ones.

Scientology is probably the worst, but the real question is which is best isnt it. I vote there needs to be a beer church. i would join that church

The whole notion of religion is lame. Why grovel to a god if you can be one yourself?

Umm but as most religions claim to be the only true faith, then it follows that the rest must be fake?

It's implied yes, but they don't go around saying out loud and then calling other religions lame.....

It's implied yes, but they don't go around saying out loud and then calling other religions lame.....

Why shouldn't they?

The whole notion of religion is lame. Why grovel to a god if you can be one yourself?

If you think your intelligent because your bashing all religion then your wrong....in fact it probably means your closed minded which would imply the opposite of intelligence....

It's the mormons, isn't it? It's always the damned mormons.
You've let out the greatest Mormon secret of them all: they're actually right, and everyone isn't even close. (They would tell people, but then they would have to get bigger churches, so it's really easier this way).

Well the lamest religion is that time cube thing.

Im Muslim. If you are Christian or Jew, Welcome to heaven sons of abraham.

Oh and btw, if you are aetheist, how do you exist? All we have is of God's mercy unto us, and that inculdes all the bad stuff. The bad go to hell, and the good go to heaven, as always.

That group of 30 christians who protest agains the Gay community at funerals... they go to hell with the terrorists and the murderers, and those who kill the faithful, and those who piss off the Merciful God of ours. Gay people go to heaven if they are good people... God creates us all equally, And we are all equally inferior to our creator. To make god happy one must follow one of the great religions, or at least practice the ideas of peace and equality through most of the texts, and only resort to violence if it ends future violence. Men and women are completely equal in soul.

Pure communism is the ideal economic system, and so is pure capitalism if you think of it, and they are equally best in their ideal forms. But they are equally corrupt here on eath. Socialism mixes the best of each with less evils. The people can have education, medical care, electricity, and water from the government, and.

The people should rule in a Direct democracy, with no single leader. All people should have equal power in governing and such, but since the world is imperfect, a federal republic is the best way for the time being.

Buddhism isnt a religioin per se, it is a philosophy. You can be a christian Buddhist, or a Jewish Muslim Buddhist. A Muslim Buddhist, or a Jewish Buddhist. You cant possibly be a mix of any of the three religions AND christianity, you just contradict yourself on the whole Jesus thing.

Wars over religion are stupid, but a War over the protection of your religion is a war over your way of life. The crusades shouldn't have happened, but the WWII against the Nazis saved earth from well... Nazis.

Mel Gibson was drunk, give him a break, drunks say stuff like that all the time. Kramer is a racist, hate him if you want but w/e. Music is good, in any kind, except for Slipknot and ABBA, they suck equally. Capitalism , Socialism, and Communism are best, since they are all leading up to communism anyway, communism is the best. The state of communism is ruled democratically by the people. All citizens are of EQUAL power.

I blab on too much, but i want to end with: Anime Music kicks ass!!!... and Anime kicks ass as well...



P.S. ADD medication includes long posts and/or essays that pop up randomly. Not bad for students!

I think a good rule of thumb is this: you can mock other religions if you belong to the true faith. And of course, because it is true, anyone mocking the true religion is committing blasphemy.
I'll leave it to you to figure which one that is.That's Judaism.

You've let out the greatest Mormon secret of them all: they're actually right, and everyone isn't even close. (They would tell people, but then they would have to get bigger churches, so it's really easier this way).

Ah, the South Park explanation.

"Let's all go make things out of egg cartons!"

Its a religion because its based on dogmas and is totaly unrelated to the truth.

Btw, has no one questioned why all comunist beliefs are against religion? Because they dont like competition.

And believing in comunism means you believe in the welfare of your state above your own. That means you think your "mother" or "father" state is more important than you are. And you dont question it.

Communism as it has been practiced by leaders more interested in their own gain and subjugation of their people than in real communism is as much as a religion as all others. Its unreal, its stupid, and it requires you to believe in it blindly, because it goes against all human instincts and normal behavior.

Fixed for accuracy.

Atheism. Most confusing, contradicting system of beliefs I've ever encountered. The whole point is to do your best to deny the existence of God and prove that your life is meaningless.
"Hey what do you believe?"
"I believe in nothing."
"Isn't that a bit of a..."
"No!"
"Geez, alright."

Y'know, I'm looking for that in the definition of atheism and asking my atheist friends, and I can't seem to find it anywhere. Oh, that's right, that's because you withdrew it from your own rectum.

I'll go with the Jehova's Witnesses (literally removing all the fun out of life -- no birthdays, no holidays -- I'm all for moderation, but that's too heavy on the self-righteous ascetism for me), followed by any of the New-Age horseshit that includes or endorses: Numerology, the belief that crystals have ANY kind of power, and/or the use of words near to words used by other religions without actually using their words ("spirit" in place of "god", for example).

If people want to believe whatever they want to believe, they should. My beef comes from the needless sheep-like herd mentality that New-Agers and all religions engender. It eventually devolves into WE versus THEY, and that's no good for anybody, except those making "WE hate THEY" t-shirts and bumper stickers.

The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints.

Ah, the South Park explanation.

"Let's all go make things out of egg cartons!"

I love that episode with a passion.

If people want to believe whatever they want to believe, they should. My beef comes from the needless sheep-like herd mentality that New-Agers and all religions engender. It eventually devolves into WE versus THEY, and that's no good for anybody, except those making "WE hate THEY" t-shirts and bumper stickers.

Like I keep saying, disorganized religion rocks! I'm a pope and and Episkipos! And a Saint! And a martyr, but we don't like to talk about that too much...

Yeah was just bugging me :p

Umm interesting. Do you mind answering a small question for me?

Are you at all religious?

It's implied yes, but they don't go around saying out loud and then calling other religions lame.....

Heh sure they do. I have had many Christians tell me I will go to hell. What about Mohameds command to convert the infadel by the sword or kill him?

Umm interesting. Do you mind answering a small question for me?

Are you at all religious?

I was raised by Presbyterian parents but at the moment i'm still trying to decide my position. I'm leaning towards the atheist side of things I suppose though.

I'm Muslim. God creates us all equally, And we are all equally inferior to our creator. To make god happy one must follow one of the great religions, or at least practice the ideas of peace and equality through most of the texts, and only resort to violence if it ends future violence. Men and women are completely equal in soul.


I'm a Christian, and I'd just like to say, that this is one of the nicest summaries of our religions I have read.

Good to know you, brother. (sister?)

I was raised by Presbyterian parents but at the moment i'm still trying to decide my position. I'm leaning towards the atheist side of things I suppose though.

Ahhh well thank you.

Ahhh well thank you.

No problemo :) Why do you ask?

All the ones that don't involve sacrificing marzipan to a giant gold duck.

Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. Nothing else. It is not a religion.

In the same way not playing tennis isn't a sport.

No problemo :) Why do you ask?

Ahhh heh part of my ongiong battle with those atheists who insist that only we religous people are prone to irrational(without proof) belifes.

Ahhh heh part of my ongiong battle with those atheists who insist that only we religous people are prone to irrational(without proof) belifes.

Nope everyone has irrational thoughts but for some those are religion :p

Sorry I couldn't help it

I blab on too much, but i want to end with: Anime Music kicks ass!!!... and Anime kicks ass as well...

i agree.. the fun part was that there was some anime music playing when i read your post.
your descriptions were pretty good, especially the description of the abrahamic religions and the whole jesus thing.
and getting to the bottom of the first page of the timecube site and discovering that there's another page was one of the most mentally painful experiences i've had in a long time. worse than watching the entirety of evangellion in one go (i like it because it hurts the brain)

Asking which religion is the lamest is kind of like asking which poop is the crappiest.

All religions are fake.

Sigged

In the same way not playing tennis isn't a sport.

oh

hmmmm

i guess that explains why i havent gotten any more physically fit even though ive been not playing tennis for years.

Oh and btw, if you are aetheist, how do you exist? All we have is of God's mercy unto us, and that inculdes all the bad stuff. The bad go to hell, and the good go to heaven, as always.

You see, when a man and a woman love each other very much...

In the same way not playing tennis isn't a sport.
or the same way bald is a hair color.

ive always believed most religion is 'lame'.
if God/Gods are such perfect beings, then they would not care if i followed a relgion but if i was a 'good' person.
a non-relgious person giving up their lives to help others (charity in Africa etc.) is surely doing greater good than someone who turns up to a relgious building and prays.
And why spend money and time building something such as a church or mosque when you could be out saving somones life.
:headbang:

Stupid thread please close it.