NationStates Jolt Archive


we care about the morale of the soldiers....except when we don't

Neo Art
18-06-2007, 14:00
Marine General Peter Pace, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who was recently replaced by the Bush administration has come out and said that the administration had asked him to voluntarily resign, prior to his replacement.

The reason he refused? Because he didn't want to damage troop morale by creating the image of a commanding officer walking away from a war.

I said I could not do that for one very fundamental reason," which is that no soldier or Marine in Iraq should "think -- ever -- that his chairman, whoever that person is, could have stayed in the battle and voluntarily walked off the battlefield.

"That is unacceptable as a leadership thing, in my mind"

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/15/pace.joint.chiefs.ap/index.html)

This is, however, exactly what the Bush administration wanted him to do. The same Bush administration that attacked Senator Reid for his comments earlier.

So, for those of you at home keeping score, a senator who has has no constitutional command of the military, a man who is not, and never has been in the military or served in any military position, giving his opinion that objectives have failed in Iraq, horribly damaging for troop morale, and according to some neocons, an act of treason.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest military position in the nation, short of the Commander in Chief himself, one who weilds extreme authority, throwing in the towel and walking away from a war? Eh, not so much.
Nouvelle Wallonochia
18-06-2007, 14:02
By "compare about" do you mean "care about"?
Neo Art
18-06-2007, 14:06
By "compare about" do you mean "care about"?

yes, typo in the title, asked the mods to fix it...not sure what I was thinking at the time.
Kryozerkia
18-06-2007, 14:07
I don't see why a commanding officer should have to resign when he's doing his job. The government got the military into this quagmire, not the officer.
Newer Burmecia
18-06-2007, 14:14
So, for those of you at home keeping score, a senator who has has no constitutional command of the military, a man who is not, and never has been in the military or served in any military position, giving his opinion that objectives have failed in Iraq, horribly damaging for troop morale, and according to some neocons, an act of treason.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest military position in the nation, short of the Commander in Chief himself, one who weilds extreme authority, throwing in the towel and walking away from a war? Eh, not so much.
This my be of interest, as a link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524586&highlight=traitor

Personally, I know exactly who should resign over this, and has proven to be completely unable to do his job. Hint: it's not the Chairman of the JCS.
Dundee-Fienn
18-06-2007, 14:18
I don't see why a commanding officer should have to resign when he's doing his job. The government got the military into this quagmire, not the officer.

Unless of course he's doing his job badly
Kryozerkia
18-06-2007, 14:19
Unless of course he's doing his job badly

IF he was doing it badly, then it must mean he was doing it right. ;)

In Soviet America doing a bad job is good and nothing is the way it seems.
Andaras Prime
18-06-2007, 14:22
What the heck is with all this dealing with troop morale so delicately, I mean come on these are soldiers, not 14 yr old school girls getting sex ed. You'd assume people think are they IG Guardians with a morale of 6 or whatever.
Neo Art
18-06-2007, 14:26
You'd assume people think are they IG Guardians with a morale of 6 or whatever.

this is why I love my unpinnable obliterators.
Andaras Prime
18-06-2007, 14:34
this is why I love my unpinnable obliterators.

hijack/
Yeah, especially when they teleport in off a homer from an infiltrating squad and plas a whole enemy squad to bits, it's priceless.
end hijack/
Neo Art
18-06-2007, 14:38
hijack/
Yeah, especially when they teleport in off a homer from an infiltrating squad and plas a whole enemy squad to bits, it's priceless.
end hijack/

to avoid a threadjack, check your TGs.
Nouvelle Wallonochia
18-06-2007, 17:07
What the heck is with all this dealing with troop morale so delicately, I mean come on these are soldiers, not 14 yr old school girls getting sex ed. You'd assume people think are they IG Guardians with a morale of 6 or whatever.

Since I use Creed and a command squad with banner and Commissar my Guardsmen never have anything less than Ld10 with a reroll.

Anyway, you do have a point. I spent 4 years in the Army (one of which was in Iraq) and I find the whole thing quite silly. Partly, I find the fact that the General thinks the troops would view him as "walking away from a battle" to be rather absurd, since I certainly never saw any General as being "in a battle". They hang out in the secured part of Baghdad, not driving around up and down Mortarman's Alley in Ramadi in a HMMWV with no doors.

I also find the idea that the soldiers' morale is going to be devestated if people speak out against the war to be silly. Trust me, most soldiers don't really care what the civilians at home think. They're going to do their job to the best of their ability (for the most part) because they're professionals.

Do people imagine a whole platoon of infantrymen huddled around a TV crying because Cindy Sheehan doesn't agree with the war?
Utracia
18-06-2007, 17:12
Unless of course he's doing his job badly

Since when has that been a problem in this administration?