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Principal Had To Change E-Mail (http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20070511/NEWS/105110074&SearchID=73284130878643)

I can understand that it is less professional than using his own name. But should it really matter what his e-mail is? Its not like it was something racist or derogatory. I think he should have been allowed to keep it. I dont think there is anything wrong with any e-mail name unless it is racist or derogatory.

Principal Had To Change E-Mail (http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20070511/NEWS/105110074&SearchID=73284130878643)

I can understand that it is less professional than using his own name. But should it really matter what his e-mail is? Its not like it was something racist or derogatory. I think he should have been allowed to keep it. I dont think there is anything wrong with any e-mail name unless it is racist or derogatory.

The school provides an email service ... his school's email address should be the only relivent contact information on the website.

I dont think he should have been using ANY external email source nor should it have been listed reguardless of the name placed on it

The school provides an email service ... his school's email address should be the only relivent contact information on the website.

I dont think he should have been using ANY external email source nor should it have been listed reguardless of the name placed on it

Yeah.

So his old address was HeinzGuderian@ rfsd.k12 etc..? His new one is much more fitting. Also.. I can't believe they linked his new email in that story.

He could have used it to gather assignments from students, like other teachers. I know he is the principal, but in my old school the pricipal actually taught come classes.

So his old address was HeinzGuderian@ rfsd.k12 etc..? His new one is much more fitting. Also.. I can't believe they linked his new email in that story.

If that were the case it is extreemly bad name management pollicy and should have been deleted on thoes grounds alone

Furthermore any system admin that let that sort of thing go on should be fired for incompetence alone

He could have used it to gather assignments from students, like other teachers. I know he is the principal, but in my old school the pricipal actually taught come classes.

That does not matter if it was an external email it should not be allowed and an internal one should follow naming conventions period

There is NO need for a custom email like that ... it is rather easy to creat sub folders and rule redirection we do it every day for professors

For example sending all email from students in class 1 to folder 1 and class 1 to folder 2

True. But I really dont get why people started complaining about it.

True. But I really dont get why people started complaining about it.

Maybe they were complaining that it was not intuitive and did not let them know who they were emailing like everyone elses email address did

Maybe they just thought it looked un professional and that the school should know that it did

I sure as hell would "objectionable" or not

If that were the case it is extreemly bad name management pollicy and should have been deleted on thoes grounds alone

Furthermore any system admin that let that sort of thing go on should be fired for incompetence alone

Now now.

For all we know they don't have a formal policy in place. He may have suggested it was a bad idea but was told that's what he wanted.

I always find it amusing with the "he wasn't trying to offend anybody" defense. There will be people will be offended by referencing the Nazis. As an educator he should know that.

Ah well. He could have had more offensive choices......

I dont think he should have been using ANY external email source nor should it have been listed reguardless of the name placed on it

It wasn't. It was the school's e-mail.

So his old address was HeinzGuderian@ rfsd.k12 etc..? His new one is much more fitting. Also.. I can't believe they linked his new email in that story.

guderianh@ rfsd..etc... (yeah..searched to find the old..hate not knowing things..lol) another link (http://vaildaily.com/article/20070512/NEWS/70510021)


As for the linking..wouldn't matter if they linked to it or not. Its on the school's website. Anybody that wants to e-mail could just go there.

Now now.

For all we know they don't have a formal policy in place. He may have suggested it was a bad idea but was told that's what he wanted.

I always find it amusing with the "he wasn't trying to offend anybody" defense. There will be people will be offended by referencing the Nazis. As an educator he should know that.

Ah well. He could have had more offensive choices......

But they do have to have SOME sort look at the new email, that follows a predictable pattern that most institutions use as a standard ... hard to believe an educational institution would not have that even the tiny catholic school I worked for, for a bit had at least a rough naming convention scheme

That made the news? Must've been a slow day. :p

It wasn't. It was the school's e-mail.



I addressed that later, though you are right I made the assumption that the school would not be so lax as to allow this sort of stuff as an email policy, No school in our area does and I am pretty sure the policy around here is enforced at the state level at least

regardless of the school's policy, it's poor judgement on the principal's part.
I have 3 email accounts (2 hotmail, 1 gmail. Oh and a lousy yahoo that was foistered uponme when I joined a teachers egroup, so that makes 4. 5 of you count the school's one. So that makes...uh...well..lots...

Anyway, I have 3 personal email accounts I use regularly. 1 of them has a silly nondeplume (named after my old cat) which I use solely for personal correspondence.
The other two use my full proper name - and they're the ones I use when conducting any sort of business-like correspondence (like job apps). It's all a matter of looking professional. I figure no-one's going to want to employ someone whose email is a silly one (or at least might have 2nd thoughts about doing so). I want/need to look as professional as possible.
Likewise this principal, in his capacity as the leader of the school, needs to display a professional and respectful manner. Using an email address named after a dead Nazi general does neither.

I addressed that later


I saw that..right after I posted..damn slow hands..:(

States differ you know. Just because it is enforced where you live does not mean it is everywhere else.

Bad boy you for making assumptions!:p (though I do tend to agree with what you said..policies should be made and enforced..especially since it is an educational system and published on a website)

I saw that..right after I posted..damn slow hands..:(

States differ you know. Just because it is enforced where you live does not mean it is everywhere else.

Bad boy you for making assumptions!:p (though I do tend to agree with what you said..policies should be made and enforced..especially since it is an educational system and published on a website)

True but i am not sure if it is state or federal level either way it should never have been allowed in the first place

It is not only to avoid these sort of things but also for ease of system administration and standards in presenting a professional front. I have never seen nor worked for an institution that did not follow some sort of scheme like that if only for the ease of creation.

Someone brought it to their attention ... the article did not say why they "complained" maybe it was brought up that it was un professional or hard to associate the email to the name either way it should have been changed no matter why it was brought up in the first place

True but i am not sure if it is state or federal level either way it should never have been allowed in the first place

Someone brought it to their attention ... the article did not say why they "complained" maybe it was brought up that it was un professional or hard to associate the email to the name either way it should have been changed no matter why it was brought up in the first place

If it was federal level then this probably wouldn't have even happened. As such, saying "but we don't do it where I live" doesn't mean a damn. Does not make you any more right or wrong.

And as the article stated..it was changed..when someone complained.

They obviously didn't have a policy for it..but I'm sure they probably will in the future.

About the Nazi reference, how many people in the USA even know who Heinz Guderian was? I didn't until I took an interest in WWII and poked around on Wikipedia.

how is this relevant to anyone? i bet the principal didn't even care, why should you?

how is this relevant to anyone?
You forget where you are methinks..

i bet the principal didn't even care
Well no shit Sherlock.

bye bye now.

If it was federal level then this probably wouldn't have even happened. As such, saying "but we don't do it where I live" doesn't mean a damn. Does not make you any more right or wrong.

And as the article stated..it was changed..when someone complained.

They obviously didn't have a policy for it..but I'm sure they probably will in the future.
Not obvious at all people break policy at times ... Working for years as a system admin, including email admin I can not imagine a place not having one that is just SOP even for auto account creation

I would bet that there were a set of guidelines and they were ignored

Lucky for him, they didn't catch his Enzyte e-mail.

Not obvious at all people break policy at times .

Dunno. If it were a policy that he broke he would have been told to change it long before it was published and parents complained. It wouldn't have gone unnoticed by district admins.

Dunno. If it were a policy that he broke he would have been told to change it long before it was published and parents complained. It wouldn't have gone unnoticed by district admins.

Very possibly would have depending on if they run a local shop or not ... Schools in the area here run their own email services to facilitate Domain account creation and authentication integration

Very possibly would have depending on if they run a local shop or not ... Schools in the area here run their own email services to facilitate Domain account creation and authentication integration


He is a principal of a school that is part of a district (who normally all have the same policies). No low profile there.

He is a principal of a school that is part of a district (who normally all have the same policies). No low profile there.

True but as far as email policy and account creation go all he would have had to do to break policy is a friendly local admin

It may not have got caught or even populated up to the district level for someone to "catch" other then at the website and even if other school administrators saw it they may not have been aware of account creation policy either

It may not have got caught or even populated up to the district level for someone to "catch" other then at the website and even if other school administrators saw it they may not have been aware of account creation policy either

Possibly. But more likely they would have. Him being principal of the school I would think the district would have some communication with him. And for business communications don't you usually communicate through your business e-mail?

Dunno..I'd probably have a better point and make more sense if I weren't so damn tired.

Possibly. But more likely they would have. Him being principal of the school I would think the district would have some communication with him. And for business communications don't you usually communicate through your business e-mail?

Dunno..I'd probably have a better point and make more sense if I weren't so damn tired.

Like I said some of the others may not have known account naming rules like a tech would have maybe they just assumed it was fine...

Like I said some of the others may not have known account naming rules like a tech would have maybe they just assumed it was fine...

And it would be bad administration (especially on the district level) not to know their own rules.

And it would be bad administration (especially on the district level) not to know their own rules.

Happens all the time at the university level we get those questions ALL the time
"We need a guest account for the Hockey team"

Then we have to site rule and verse about Who and what an account can be created for then WE create the account with the correct naming scheme they do not have a say in it what so ever at our level

As far as it goes the "school" administration does not really know jack about tech policies and to be honest there are so many it is unrealistic for them to know our job as well as there own.

The chance that someone a principal has been talking to knows account creation and override rules is not real good...

The tech should have informed the principal that it was a bad name (hell may not be the current one it may just have transfered from and old tech and continued on because there are hundreds of accounts to manage)

Sorry i am rambling i will try to sumup

1) it is rather unlikely in my experience to have no policy for these things even if an informal one for ease of scripting
2)If the tech did not inform the principal and say no the principal may not have known
3)Depending on AD structure the account compliance check may not have been able to be checked like it would be in some areas at the district level for compliance which means it may wait till someone brings it to their attention.
4)There are so many SOP and rules in the tech field that a non tech administrator (who the principal is likly to be conversing with) may not have known about email account creation rules. In fact I would say it is likley that they would not have known that just like they may not know the policy for rotating archived backup or any of the other policies that are standard procedure

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Soo..if there was a policy in place the tech would have known about it . And said no. Kinda hard to believe that he would potentially put his job on the line just to give the principal what he wanted.

Soo..if there was a policy in place the tech would have known about it . And said no. Kinda hard to believe that he would potentially put his job on the line just to give the principal what he wanted.

Hard for me to believe so too but people do it for friends or if there was some flexibility in the policy that was taken advantage of

Or maybe it was just a problem with policy migration for example some workers here were able WAY back in the day to get just their first names as their account/email address and they were grandfathered in even though it did not strictly match the naming policy for staff/fac anymore. Thats a possibility as well ...

But either way if there was a policy the tech would have had to known about it yes.

Personally like i said policy aside it is bad practice to have custom email addresses it makes automation a real pain in the ass

Hard for me to believe so too but people do it for friends

Bad system admin then if that were the case...

But either way we don't know what had really happened. There could have been a policy or there couldn't have been...not every place is the same.I tend not to judge people and make assumptions without all the facts.

But they do have to have SOME sort look at the new email, that follows a predictable pattern that most institutions use as a standard ... hard to believe an educational institution would not have that even the tiny catholic school I worked for, for a bit had at least a rough naming convention scheme

...that wasn't <Officer><PanzerDivision>@FuhrerBunker.com.

Bad system admin then if that were the case...

But either way we don't know what had really happened. There could have been a policy or there couldn't have been...not every place is the same.I tend not to judge people and make assumptions without all the facts.

True but like I said regardless of policy still bad system admin

I would never hire him

How much of a slow news day does it have to be...

True but like I said regardless of policy still bad system admin


If you say so. Can't really agree or disagree on that point. Not in that field.

How much of a slow news day does it have to be...

he's interesting...and I've got nothing better to do at the moment.

Principal Had To Change E-Mail (http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20070511/NEWS/105110074&SearchID=73284130878643)

I can understand that it is less professional than using his own name. But should it really matter what his e-mail is? Its not like it was something racist or derogatory. I think he should have been allowed to keep it. I dont think there is anything wrong with any e-mail name unless it is racist or derogatory.

If you say so. Can't really agree or disagree on that point. Not in that field.



he's interesting...and I've got nothing better to do at the moment.

I am ... and guess what I can easily write a script to querie an already existant datbase maintained by the HR department and auto generate the names by stripping all but the first letter of their name and full last name right from the two fields

I can have it check daily to make sure they have not been fired or state has changed

All without having to support or maintain a local database nor do any changes unless something big comes up

Custom names on the other hand ....

I am ... and guess what I can easily write a script to querie an already existant datbase maintained by the HR department and auto generate the names by stripping all but the first letter of their name and full last name right from the two fields

So what happens if you have someone with the same last name and first letter of the first name?

[/ dumb question]

Anyways,I know you are in that field. But I'm not which was why I said that I couldn't go either way because I don't know much of how it works.

Disregarding all this policy and admin talk, I tend to think that if he was allowed to create his own name, professional appearance matters. Somebody noticed what it referenced to and took offence. But only because of that.

So what happens if you have someone with the same last name and first letter of the first name?

[/ dumb question]

Anyways,I know you are in that field. But I'm not which was why I said that I couldn't go either way because I don't know much of how it works.

Disregarding all this policy and admin talk, I tend to think that if he was allowed to create his own name, professional appearance matters. Somebody noticed what it referenced to and took offence. But only because of that.

Depends we actually use First two letters of last name first two of first name and then 4 numbers the first two of registration year and second two the "order" if they match any of the first ones (this is for students)

Garonteed unique at least in our population size

AS far as it goes for staff fac we use First letter first name First letter second name and full last if there happened to be an overlay (never has happened and we have over 1400 current fac staff and 13 k students) that would be a case by case basis but that would be last resort


As far as the rest maybe I just dont know I personally would have just mentioned it on professionalism rather than offence

As far as the rest maybe I just dont know I personally would have just mentioned it on professionalism rather than offence

Except if you are taking offence because it isn't professional.;)

I would do it on account of professionalism, only because of the fact that I am not quite in tune with history as I once was, wouldn't have even recognized it. But just from the standpoint that all the other teachers seemed to have their original names in their handle. I would just wonder why he didn't.

he's interesting...and I've got nothing better to do at the moment.

No, I was referring to the fact that the Aspen Times actually did a story about it.

No, I was referring to the fact that the Aspen Times actually did a story about it.

Why not? It's Colorado news. And newspapers DO tend to write about local news too ya know.

Why not? It's Colorado news. And newspapers DO tend to write about local news too ya know.

Oh, you don't have to tell me. I've done work experience at my local paper; they write about local news alright, just don't know whether this constitutes 'news'.

Well, I just checked Wikipedia and saw Aspen has a population of 6,000... That pretty much makes that story alright. I don't know why but I assumed it was some massive city with a ski resort "attached" or something. As you were.

It was inappropriate because it's clearly un-American.

... I amuse myself ...