NationStates Jolt Archive

We all know about what is going on Darfur, Sudan.
If u don't then get off this thread.
i would like to hear what u think needs to be done to help.

i personally think that there needs to be a military intervention of sorts with NGOs like Black Water U.S.A.

but i would like to hear what u have to say

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:sniper:

Shouldn't this be in General?

this has to deal with the U.N. doesn't it?

this has to deal with the U.N. doesn't it?
Um, this is the UN of the Nation States game... not the real-life UN. Expect this thread to be moved.

this has to deal with the U.N. doesn't it?
I believe what you're going on about is the RL Darfur crisis in the RL Sudan on RL Earth. We don't have one of those.

this has to deal with the U.N. doesn't it?
Did you bother to notice that I deleted the other one you made and the REASONS for that deletion?

Sudan doesn't have any resources the U.S. wants and isn't accused of harboring terrorists (not that I've heard anyway) so there'd be no reason for our government to do a thing but to wag their finger at al-Bashir and do nothing.

All you need to do is watch PBC Frontline: Ghosts of Rwanda to see what happens when this situation goes unchecked, but in the case of Darfur it is more of a slow persecution rather than an outright genocide. In Rwanda in the course of 100 days over 800,000 were said to be killed, 200,000 in the first three weeks. Monumental genocide for a country of that size.

The UN puled out troops as the genocide got worse, even when they KNEW what was going on after the first week.

As a Congressional authority told an Rwandan woman that came to Washington, D.C. in the second week of the Rwandan Genocide, "The United States does not have friends, it has interests. And it has no interests in Rwanda." Or assets.

Though there is a massive US citizen awareness movement for what is going on in Darfur, like the Rock for Darfur and other projects, thank God, but it is going to have to take true government pressure to get the terrorizing groups to stop.

Sudan doesn't have any resources the U.S. wants and isn't accused of harboring terrorists (not that I've heard anyway) so there'd be no reason for our government to do a thing but to wag their finger at al-Bashir and do nothing.


What does America have to do with this? Did the rest of the world vanish?

The US is involved in enough wars as it is, but how many wars is Germany involved in right now, or China? Why dont you get mad at them for not doing anything.

What does America have to do with this? Did the rest of the world vanish?

The US is involved in enough wars as it is, but how many wars is Germany involved in right now, or China? Why dont you get mad at them for not doing anything.

Right, whenever some crisis in the world erupts everyone will look to the U.S. or the UN (same thing really given who will be giving the support) so I have no trouble assuming that it will be the US who will be expected to "do something". In fact if we are to maintain our supposed moral stance in the world we should, if that includes taking troops from Iraq and putting them to the Sudan instead then I'd certainly support that.

But the point is certainly valid, the rest of the world is sitting on their ass as well while the crisis continues, there is plenty of blame to spread around.

I'm sorry to say, it's stuff like this that makes the US immune to outside pressure.

The US cannot win. If we act, we're warmongers. If we don't act, we're "complicit". Since we can't be on the right side, we might as well just look after ourselves and the hell with what anyone else thinks.

The US cannot win. If we act, we're warmongers. If we don't act, we're "complicit".

An observation of US involvement and in almost, not every, but almost every, every single conflict to date since it's establishment has proven that the primary motivations are resource and territory control, powerplays against another superpower, or establishment of puppet nations.

So there is some meat to the statement of US actions being entirely self serving.

We all know about what is going on Darfur, Sudan.
If u don't then get off this thread.
i would like to hear what u think needs to be done to help.

i personally think that there needs to be a military intervention of sorts with NGOs like Black Water U.S.A.

but i would like to hear what u have to say

:mp5:
:sniper:


I think that everyone who honestly cares about it, and wishes to do something to make things better needs to pack a suitcase full of water, penicillin and pop tarts and get on the first plane there.

Because nothing else is going to change a damn thing.

Sudan doesn't have any resources the U.S. wants and isn't accused of harboring terrorists (not that I've heard anyway) so there'd be no reason for our government to do a thing but to wag their finger at al-Bashir and do nothing.

Actually, there is some oil there. Not enough to divert US interest from Iraq, though.

African Union peace-enforcing + UN logistic support, to prepare eventually a referendum for independence of Darfur from Sudan. (Along the lines of the intervention in Kosovo).

Oh, and about the OP,
would like to hear what u think needs to be done to help.
usually proper grammar helps.