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Today we will be discussing what would happen if Yellowstone (National Park and Super Volcano) Were to erupt given the current politcal situation.
this is the the first in a long line of "What if?" questions.
please share ur insight.

This probably belongs in "general" forum. Unfortunately International incidents is based on RP not actual events and real places.

wrong forum

Unless your NS nation has your own Yellowstone and your talking about your NS nation, your in the wrong forum.

I have already requested it be moved to General.

Whatever happens, I'm betting my insurance won't cover it :)

United Fundamentalism, I strongly suggest you read the OSRS if you plan to start topics. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023

Look at *where* your topics belong, along with appropriate language for our forums.

If Yellowstone erupted? What's there to worry about? Enough particulate matter in the air to extinguish life as we know it? No worries. It doesn't pay to worry about things over which control or prevention is completely impossible. Those who do just like to draw attention to their own neuroses.

Today we will be discussing what would happen if Yellowstone (National Park and Super Volcano) Were to erupt given the current politcal situation.
this is the the first in a long line of "What if?" questions.
please share ur insight.

The political situation wouldn't come into it, the entire human race would be screwed.

thats where ur wrong my friend.

politics has everything to do with it.

besides it wouldn't wipe out the entire human race.

we survived last time.

If Yellowstone erupted? What's there to worry about? Enough particulate matter in the air to extinguish life as we know it? No worries. It doesn't pay to worry about things over which control or prevention is completely impossible. Those who do just like to draw attention to their own neuroses.

Well, it has been suggested that an eruption could theoretically be triggered by a large explosion. We really don't want any terrorists groups trying that...

in the best case scenario America would be screwed, never mind the fact that I would be covered in ash and thus that horrible Grey sand will be all over beaches from now on :(

in the best case scenario America would be screwed, never mind the fact that I would be covered in ash and thus that horrible Grey sand will be all over beaches from now on :(

and the worst case scenario would be China Invading

Today we will be discussing what would happen if Yellowstone (National Park and Super Volcano) Were to erupt given the current politcal situation.
this is the the first in a long line of "What if?" questions.
please share ur insight.
A big area of the West, from western California to central Kansas, and from central Alberta to northern Mexico, would be worst-hit by an ashfall. Prolonged ashfalls can lead to poor crops (if they grow things in the Rocky Mountains). Expect the tri-state area between Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana to be wiped off the map.

Politically, it would affect a huge chunk of Republican states and areas: Nevada, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Texas, and the Republican-voting areas of Washington, Oregon, and California (Central Valley). As for Canadians, it will touch the Tory strongholds of Alberta and Saskatchewan (God help me if I spelled that correctly...)

So politically... if FEMA sucked again and there is a Democrat at the White House, expect these areas to be more Republican (if there are still people in there). If there's a Republican when this happens... forget the Republican Party.

That is... if we are still around to bother about politics. Most likely we'd just be preoccupied foraging forests for food or killing the person next to us in a food riot.

thats where ur wrong my friend.

politics has everything to do with it.

besides it wouldn't wipe out the entire human race.

we survived last time.

We're talking nuclear winter in the event of a large-scale eruption. Society would collapse, crops would fail, we'd be fucked.

--snip--
Tone it down, my friend. We don't want you to... never mind. Let's just be polite next time, OK? ;)

and the worst case scenario would be China Invading

WTF?

Yes very true.
but don't forget that most of our trade depends on those crops.
and if we stop trading with China they'll consider an act of war.

and the worst case scenario would be China Invading

Oh good lord - is this the point of your thread? China is a big threat, one that's intent on invading the USA given the chance and Yellowstone is a viable pretext for that? Perhaps China will place a bomb under Yellowstone just to precipitate it. Yet wait, perhaps James Bond will save the day at the last second.

What planet from the constellation Conspiracy Theory are you from

Yes very true.
but don't forget that most of our trade depends on those crops.
and if we stop trading with China they'll consider an act of war.

Worst case scenario is life on the entire planet being extinguished, and that's not exactly far from the most probable scenario.

no they have lots food and money



the real question is: will the jolt server crash?!

I certainly hope not. In the event of a nuclear winter my survival plan heavily involves posting on NSG.

and the worst case scenario would be China Invading

no they have lots food and money

SNIP

the real question is: will the jolt server crash?!

don't forget that most of our trade depends on those crops.

not really, we buy your gizmo's and dollars more

and if we stop trading with China they'll consider an act of war.

thats just silly:

1) it doesn't follow any international law or anything
2) why on Earth would you invade ash-land?

Given that the US would be covered in ask and poisonous gases in the aftermath of a major eruption, why would China want to invade? And how would they establish supply lines? The whole idea is absurd.

Worst case scenario is life on the entire planet being extinguished, and that's not exactly far from the most probable scenario.

actually,
yellowstone has erupted several times in the past.
we've survived every1.
yes there will be mass extinction but we will survive
:)

no they have lots food and money



the real question is: will the jolt server crash?!



not really, we buy your gizmo's and dollars more



thats just silly:

1) it doesn't follow any international law or anything
2) why on Earth would you invade ash-land?

what i meant by "Trade depends on those crops" is that if we're unable to feed our country then we will be unable to feed others and we will be completely devestated economically and enviromentally. we would be unable to create anything in a factory.
thats all i meant.

actually,
yellowstone has erupted several times in the past.
we've survived every1.
yes there will be mass extinction but we will survive
:)

A few people probably will, but civilisation and the majority of the human race won't.

A few people probably will, but civilisation and the majority of the human race won't.

true.
but survival is the only thing that counts.

the real question is: will the jolt server crash?!
Duh.
2) why on Earth would you invade ash-land?
because Ashland is in Ohio, and Ohio...

SNIP

the last one nearly wiped the human race off the face of the Earth down to the last 10,000 or so

never mind the fact that volcanic eruptions can't be predicted for there force and this one has been building up in particular (course it won't kill all life, thats quite impossible because fungus etc is awesome)

Shouldn't this be 'What happens when Yellowstone erupts?'

**Yellowstone erupts, a small geyser and a bit of dust is kicked upwards and the park is closed for a day**

Seriously though, China would even bother invading due to the fact that whatever if left of the USA isn't even worth touching...

Civilization will survive because people naturally succumb to it. Even if what is established now dies, people will re-establish their own Nations. Probably alot of wars will start, but civilization will most definately survive.

We discussed this in an environmental geology course a couple of years ago, and the consensus that most geologists have come to is that my entire state would be blanketed with over a foot of ash and I'm not exactly close to Yellowstone.

So my answer is that I would most likely die a horrible, painful death. However, at least my death would be quick, unlike all the poor bastards who would starve to death when the crops failed.

Well, it has been suggested that an eruption could theoretically be triggered by a large explosion. We really don't want any terrorists groups trying that...

Yes, sir, and what size of tinfoil hat would you like today?

I guess if it erupts before we've moved off planet, we're boned.

Duh.

because Ashland is in Ohio, and Ohio...

No, Ashland (at least the only burg of that name worth living in) is in Oregon.

No, Ashland (at least the only burg of that name worth living in) is in Oregon.
Bah. The original Ashland is in Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashland%2C_Oregon). And Kentucky...

Shouldn't this be 'What happens when Yellowstone erupts?'

true.:headbang:
my bad

Bah. The original Ashland is in Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashland%2C_Oregon). And Kentucky...

Since when has a namesake been automatically better than a clearly superior city with the same name? Surely New Orleans (pre-Katrina) was a more interesting place than France's version.

Sorry, but Ashland, Oregon for the win over both Ohio and Kentucky, regardless of etymology.

By the way, you did read that part of my post that said "the only burg of that name worth living in", didn't you? That kinda pre-emptively scuttled your retort.

Besides, the "ash" in Ashland names has more to do with the tree than the volcano effluvium, surely?

Since when has a namesake been automatically better than a clearly superior city with the same name? Surely New Orleans (pre-Katrina) was a more interesting place than France's version.

Sorry, but Ashland, Oregon for the win over both Ohio and Kentucky, regardless of etymology.
Then if Oregon is teh win, expect them Chinese to invade that city!!! :eek:
They won't go to OH or KY...
[/silly]

Then if Oregon is teh win, expect them Chinese to invade that city!!! :eek:
They won't go to OH or KY...
[/silly]

Oh, hell!

Hadn't thought of that.

*Busies himself writing to the legislators in Salem about building a seawall of chow mein.* [/just as silly] :p

Though it would kill many millions of people and fuck up the weather and thus farming world-wide, depending on just how big it is I'm confident Australia would emerge as new hegemony. :p

Yes, sir, and what size of tinfoil hat would you like today?

It's not so far fetched as it sounds. :p

IIRC, we don't currently understand exactly how an eruption is triggered in the caldera. A study was set up to examine the possibility of blowing a hole in the caldera to release some of the gas and avoid a major eruption, but the final report suggested that such an attempt could actually have the opposite effect.

This is all going from memory so I could be completely wrong/delusional.

It's not so far fetched as it sounds. :p

IIRC, we don't currently understand exactly how an eruption is triggered in the caldera. A study was set up to examine the possibility of blowing a hole in the caldera to release some of the gas and avoid a major eruption, but the final report suggested that such an attempt could actually have the opposite effect.

This is all going from memory so I could be completely wrong/delusional.

Hmm, I'd imagine it would have to be a sodding huge explosion - excavating a hole several hundred meters deep?

Hmm, I'd imagine it would have to be a sodding huge explosion - excavating a hole several hundred meters deep?

Mole bomb? :p

Mole bomb? :p

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