NationStates Jolt Archive

Exam: Browsers

1) Do Windows IE users now have any excuse not to use Safari? Discuss.
Well, you could tell us a little bit about Safari, how it is available, where to get a Windows version, or whatever else might be relevent to this thread that you didn't say.

its apple, I think thats all that needs to be said on why I don't want this (though I do have firefox so I'm not a caveman)

Exam: Browsers

1) Do Windows IE users now have any excuse not to use Safari? Discuss.

SNIP

all useless if it doesn't have a stumble feature :p

Well, you could tell us a little bit about Safari, how it is available, where to get a Windows version, or whatever else might be relevent to this thread that you didn't say.

Fine… fine. Safari is much, much better than IE: Internet Explorer butchers web-pages. Many web-designers know that how their pages will turn up in IE is not how they were intended to look. I believe (although don't quote me on this) that Safari is also safer than IE. Firefox is (to me) a good second choice of browser. As for getting it: Safari (http://www.apple.com/safari/download/)

Well, you could tell us a little bit about Safari, how it is available, where to get a Windows version, or whatever else might be relevent to this thread that you didn't say.

Might be helpful. ;)

This is so almost a week ago.

Anyway, why would Windows users be stupid enough to use Safari? Not even Mac users use Safari.

So, what, you'd rather have them use Internet Explorer?

Yes, because Safari sucks even more.

This is so almost a week ago.

Anyway, why would Windows users be stupid enough to use Safari? Not even Mac users use Safari.

So, what, you'd rather have them use Internet Explorer?

Are you a Mac user?

Are you a Mac user?

I don't own a Mac, but I do use them regularly.

Exam: Browsers

1) Do Windows IE users now have any excuse not to use Safari? Discuss.

Aside from Safari being a complete and utter piece of shit?


And for the record, the only reason why IE doesn't show some webpages correctly is that the people who made the webpage didn't program it to work on IE.

Yes, because Safari sucks even more.

My post says: "Discuss". Would you like to elaborate?

My post says: "Discuss". Would you like to elaborate?

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2007/06/cultofmac_0612
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070612-afirst-look-safari-3-on-windows.html
http://www.betanews.com/article/Day_One_for_Safari_for_Windows_Becomes_ZeroDay_Nightmare/1181661606
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/

Why the hell would they use Safari? Safari's like a stripped-down, shitty version of Firefox.

Why the hell would they use Safari? Safari's like a stripped-down, shitty version of Firefox.

Quoted for truth, although Safari is still better than that cheese-holed program they call an internet browser (aka IE).

Aside from Safari being a complete and utter piece of shit?


And for the record, the only reason why IE doesn't show some webpages correctly is that the people who made the webpage didn't program it to work on IE.

Right, right. Because anyone who makes anything computer related should always design it to be exculsively compatible with proprietary Microsoft software. :rolleyes:

Right, right. Because anyone who makes anything computer related should always design it to be exculsively compatible with proprietary Microsoft software. :rolleyes:

Did I say exclusively? No. All I said was that the reason that IE doesn't work on some webpages is that the person who made the webpage made it so it wouldn't. I've seen the same thing happen with Firefox and Safari. It's a fucking stupid thing to complain about because it's not the fault of the browser. It's the fault of the webpage.

Quoted for truth, although Safari is still better than that cheese-holed program they call an internet browser (aka IE).

Thank you, that was my point. I'm not saying people should quit using Firefox. I'm saying that IE makes baby Jesus cry. :p

Thank you, that was my point. I'm not saying people should quit using Firefox. I'm saying that IE makes baby Jesus cry. :p

I've experienced far more security and stability issues with Safari than IE.

… except that then the webpage will look bad on any browser.

Nope. Hell, I can give an example. The very early stages of Nexus War looked good on everything but IE because it hadn't been coded to work with IE at the time. Once it was, it looked and worked fine.

Did I say exclusively? No. All I said was that the reason that IE doesn't work on some webpages is that the person who made the webpage made it so it wouldn't. I've seen the same thing happen with Firefox and Safari. It's a fucking stupid thing to complain about because it's not the fault of the browser. It's the fault of the webpage.

… except that then the webpage will look bad on any browser.

I've experienced far more security and stability issues with Safari than IE.

I've never had any with Safari. For me, IE is constantly screwing up.

Alright. I can't disprove you on that, so I won't try. But why was there that "looked good on anything but…"? Why doesn't Microsoft change their browser so that it renders webpages similarily to all other browsers?

Many people will say it is because Microsoft likes to be individual, or otherwise likes to screw with the people who use it, but I don't think any of us can actually answer this question with any sort of factual truth. There could be any number of plausible reasons, but unfortunately we will be unable to find out unless we ask Microsoft directly, presuming they would be willing to answer the question.

Nope. Hell, I can give an example. The very early stages of Nexus War looked good on everything but IE because it hadn't been coded to work with IE at the time. Once it was, it looked and worked fine.

Alright. I can't disprove you on that, so I won't try. But why was there that "looked good on anything but…"? Why doesn't Microsoft change their browser so that it renders webpages similarily to all other browsers?

Exam: Browsers

1) Do Windows IE users now have any excuse not to use Safari? Discuss.

A less buggy and far better established Firefox and Opera?
Firefox beat Opera at a game Opera has been trying to play for years, what is Apple trying to do with Safari? Unlike Apple's usual markets, the Windows browser market is not a mishmash market with no dominant competitor due to bickering and a failure to assert one's self.

Many people will say it is because Microsoft likes to be individual, or otherwise likes to screw with the people who use it, but I don't think any of us can actually answer this question with any sort of factual truth. There could be any number of plausible reasons, but unfortunately we will be unable to find out unless we ask Microsoft directly, presuming they would be willing to answer the question.

Heh heh. Individual, i.e. "not compatible".

Why the hell would they use Safari? Safari's like a stripped-down, shitty version of Firefox.
It actually borrows most of its page rendering code from Konqueror. So technically it is a stripped down version of that.

It actually borrows most of its page rendering code from Konqueror. So technically it is a stripped down version of that.

Konqueror sucks, also. So, so much...

Unless you meant about the Windows version… I understand that it's still pretty buggy, but Apple has already fixed a large number of the problems.

Duhhhhh. Know what thread your in.

A less buggy and far better established Firefox and Opera?

Will someone please explain to me what is so buggy about Safari? I've used since it was released in 2003, and never had any problems with it.

Unless you meant about the Windows version… I understand that it's still pretty buggy, but Apple has already fixed a large number of the problems.

Konqueror sucks, also. So, so much...

What's it like?

Duhhhhh. Know what thread your in.

Well, everyone's been attacking the Mac version, so how am I to know what was meant?

What's it like?

It's like bloated death.

Did I say exclusively? No. All I said was that the reason that IE doesn't work on some webpages is that the person who made the webpage made it so it wouldn't. I've seen the same thing happen with Firefox and Safari. It's a fucking stupid thing to complain about because it's not the fault of the browser. It's the fault of the webpage.
No, no it isn't. HTML compatible with standards works in any browser except IE. It isn't the fault of webpage developers if their page doesn't work in the worst browser on the market, which is only popular because it's bundled with Windows.

Incidentally, that's the same reason people use Safari: it's bundled with Mac. The people who use Safari for Mac use it because it saves them the trouble of downloading a different browser. So why on earth would anyone use it for Windows?

Konqueror sucks, also. So, so much...
Yes, but one can use Konqi without losing all respect of your peers. I'd like to see one do the same with Safari.

It's like bloated death.
Its not bloated, it is just the only KDE app that lacks configurability.

Its not bloated, it is just the only KDE app that lacks configurability.

Ah...if I understand that correctly, that would indeed explain why it sucks, to quote Fass.

Any browser out there that also sucks as bad, besides the aforementioned IE and Safari? (So I can help others who may use them to avoid them.)

Ah...if I understand that correctly, that would indeed explain why it sucks, to quote Fass.
It still has a decent amount of configurability, more than IE, Safari, Opera, and a default FF, but as someone who is used to FF w/ extensions, it just isn't enough.

Well, everyone's been attacking the Mac version, so how am I to know what was meant?
That I replied to something referencing IE should have tipped you off at least.

It still has a decent amount of configurability, more than IE, Safari, Opera, and a default FF, but as someone who is used to FF w/ extensions, it just isn't enough.
I'll take your word for it, having only worked with Firefox and IE.

IE for Mac exists too, you know.
Except MS ceased development 4 years ago. It is about as relevant as Netscape.


Kyronea, add Netscape to your list.

That I replied to something referencing IE should have tipped you off at least.

Alright alright alright, I re-read your post, noticed the quotation.
Anyway, sure, maybe Safari (for Windows) will be buggy for a short time, but keep in mind this is the beta for an application that was never before ported to Windows. Give Apple some time.

Its not bloated, it is just the only KDE app that lacks configurability.

It's bloated because it's a KDE core app. I can most liken it to IE4 or IE5 when they were both shell and browser in Win98.

/Thanks Gnome Nautilus is nothing like it.

Except MS ceased development 4 years ago. It is about as relevant as Netscape.

Yeah… my reply was weak. :p

I'll take your word for it, having only worked with Firefox and IE.
I've used Firefox, Konqueror, lynx, Opera, links, Epiphany, Safari, IE, and Netscape. And I like them in that order.

Incidentally, that's the same reason people use Safari: it's bundled with Mac. The people who use Safari for Mac use it because it saves them the trouble of downloading a different browser.

Thats me!

Also, I don't have any problems with Safari, but I don't really use my computer for anything remotely complicated, so yeah.

/Thanks Gnome Nautilus is nothing like it.
Debian's nautilus is pretty snappy too.

I've used Firefox, Konqueror, lynx, Opera, links, Epiphany, Safari, IE, and Netscape. And I like them in that order.

Oh, okay. I've not heard of Lynx, Links, or Epiphany, but I am definitely familiar with Netscape. I actually have used it before, now that I recall...I found that at the time I infinitely preferred IE, but then that may have been due to my being used to IE. Hell, I resisted the change to Firefox until about...what was it...three years ago?

Oh, okay. I've not heard of Lynx, Links, or Epiphany, but I am definitely familiar with Netscape. I actually have used it before, now that I recall...I found that at the time I infinitely preferred IE, but then that may have been due to my being used to IE. Hell, I resisted the change to Firefox until about...what was it...three years ago?
lynx and links are both text based web browsers for use in a terminal. They lack when compared to most other browsers, but they were designed to fill a specific niche and both do so well. Epiphany, like Konqueror, is a Linux app, so it isn't surprising that you haven't heard of them.

lynx and links are both text based web browsers for use in a terminal. They lack when compared to most other browsers, but they were designed to fill a specific niche and both do so well. Epiphany, like Konqueror, is a Linux app, so it isn't surprising that you haven't heard of them.

Indeed. I've never had a reason to use Linux, since I am mainly a PC gamer, almost all worthwhile computer games are for the Windows Operating Systems and I see no reason to try balancing two different OSes on one computer when I can do everything else I do on Windows as well. I have to compensate with extra security, but that's a lot simpler and easier--and probably cheaper in terms of the lack of danger to hardware through mistakes--than balancing two OSes.

But if I ever found a need for Linux, I'd use it. I just haven't, that's all.

They lack when compared to most other browsers, but they were designed to fill a specific niche and both do so well.

*has fond memories of long-ass Gentoo 1.4 installs where lynx helped stave off isolation*

*has fond memories of long-ass Gentoo 1.4 installs where lynx helped stave off isolation*
I have never done a Gentoo install. Since I started using Linux last year, I haven't had the time to go through a proper Gentoo install, and the new GUI install always crashes on me. I found Lynx with Dapper Alpha, trying to install the first version of the fglrx driver that supported my card.

I have never done a Gentoo install. Since I started using Linux last year, I haven't had the time to go through a proper Gentoo install, and the new GUI install always crashes on me. I found Lynx with Dapper Alpha, trying to install the first version of the fglrx driver that supported my card.

You young whipper-snappers! Back in the day (and IIRC 'twas 2002), a GUI install for Gentoo was heresy! Nope, you had to do everything yourself and stage 1 installs were pain like I'd never felt pain before... but, in the end, I grew tired of Gentoo and the compile times and got banned on their forums, so I moved on to better pastures.

Actually, let's change the subject of this thread (or at least add a subject): which version of Linux do you prefer? I'm vaguely interested in it (in case I ever get stuck with a PC), but don't know what distro is best.

You young whipper-snappers! Back in the day (and IIRC 'twas 2002), a GUI install for Gentoo was heresy!
That was back when Gentoo was all innovative and stuff, no?
Nope, you had to do everything yourself and stage 1 installs were pain like I'd never felt pain before... but, in the end, I grew tired of Gentoo and the compile times and got banned on their forums, so I moved on to better pastures.I've been babied with Ubuntu, Debian, and (briefly) Sabayon.

Actually, let's change the subject of this thread (or at least add a subject): which version of Linux do you prefer? I'm vaguely interested in it (in case I ever get stuck with a PC), but don't know what distro is best.
I like Debian, but recommend Ubuntu to noobs.

I like Debian, but recommend Ubuntu to noobs.

Dammit! Apparently I was considering noobdom! :p

That was back when Gentoo was all innovative and stuff, no?

Oh, it became the bee's knees and talk of the circuit just a month or two after I installed it. Every linux place you looked, they were talking about Gentoo and there was even a Gentoo-centric LUG in my town (that I by the way wouldn't have been caught dead in, but they sent me an invitation on the Gentoo forums which I found oh, so creepy)... then came the backlash, sort of like one can see for Ubuntu, and the "fixing" of a lot of the other package managers (especially apt) so that portage didn't quite hold the same lead ahead of them... but, mostly, it was the compile times.

Whenever there was a minor update to something - and I'm talking maybe a small .01-type bump in the version number of the ebuild and not just updates to the software - you had to recompile the programme to get portage to stop nagging. It was OK for small things, but for X or Mozilla/Phoenix (as Firefox was called at the time), it got really annoying.

Dammit! Apparently I was considering noobdom! :p

A lot of non-noobs use Ubuntu as well, because it is quite good. Just because it's "good for noobs" doesn't mean it isn't for those who are noobs no more. It's just... very convenient.

Dammit! Apparently I was considering noobdom! :p
Ubuntu is a good place to start. I gives you something reasonably close to Debian, but gets rid of most of the grief that comes with setting up Debian.

A lot of non-noobs use Ubuntu as well, because it is quite good. Just because it's "good for noobs" doesn't mean it isn't for those who are noobs no more. It's just... very convenient.

Okay. So what would be best for someone with quite of bit of programming experience, but who really likes user friendliness? Is Ubuntu the most user-friendly?

Ubuntu is a good place to start. I gives you something reasonably close to Debian, but gets rid of most of the grief that comes with setting up Debian.

What grief is this?

Is Debian preferable to Ubuntu?

LOL

Apple released the 3.0.0 beta saying it was secure from day 1 ... and got hacked in a few hours. The current release is now 3.0.1 with 12 security fixes.

LOL

Apple released the 3.0.0 beta saying it was secure from day 1 ... and got hacked in a few hours. The current release is now 3.0.1 with 12 security fixes.

Much as I love Apple, I wouldn't trust what Steve Jobs says… but don't make eye contact! He'll control your mind! :eek:

Much as I love Apple, I wouldn't trust what Steve Jobs says… but don't make eye contact! He'll control your mind! :eek:

I don't own an iPod, and or not planning buy an iPhone either :p
PS - Safari is installed on the iPhone.

Okay. So what would be best for someone with quite of bit of programming experience, but who really likes user friendliness? Is Ubuntu the most user-friendly?
Depends what kind of user you are.

Ubuntu is a good distro for people with computer skills, but no Linux skills.

I don't own an iPod, and or not planning buy an iPhone either :p
PS - Safari is installed on the iPhone.

I would buy an iPhone. I wouldn't use it… I hate phones. But I'd still buy it. Must have made eye contact with Jobs :D

Depends what kind of user you are.

Ubuntu is a good distro for people with computer skills, but no Linux skills.

I hate to keep pestering you with questions, but what are Linux skills? Are they developed over time, or innate? :D

I understand the whole compiling thing… is there much else?

I would buy an iPhone. I wouldn't use it… I hate phones. But I'd still buy it. Must have made eye contact with Jobs :D

Nah, it's the "Crazy Apple User" worm transmitted using Safari, iPods, Macs, and iPhones.

Okay. So what would be best for someone with quite of bit of programming experience, but who really likes user friendliness? Is Ubuntu the most user-friendly?

There's different types of user friendliness, but Ubuntu is very user friendly, yes. The installation is usually a breeze and so is getting started... but, sooner or later - and this will happen to all converts - you'll come across the "Linux way of doing things" that is different from the way Windows or OS X do things (even if OS X can be quite similar in certain respects under the hood). The trick then is not to fight it, but just accept it and go with the flow. I've seen many converts get frustrated because they couldn't get past the fact that it wasn't like their other OS, like for instance that there is no "C:"... and that you don't run as an administrator... and that installing software is different... that peripherals are managed differently... that command line-phobia eventually needs to be overcome if you want to be able to do some neat stuff and so on.

I hate to keep pestering you with questions, but what are Linux skills?

They're basically *nix skills, e.g. UNIX. If you've experience from that area or something similar, then you already have a lot of "Linux skills".

What grief is this?

Is Debian preferable to Ubuntu?
It's installer defaults to being text based (there is a gui, but you have to ask for it at boot time); restricted codecs (mp3, mp4, WMV, DivX, etc) aren't available in the default repositories (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_management_system) ,like they are with Ubuntu; Debian by default doesn't have a boot splash program, while Ubuntu does (albeit a very ugly one); Ubuntu has a couple handy homebrewed apps.

Nah, it's the "Crazy Apple User" worm transmitted using Safari, iPods, Macs, and iPhones.

Jobs's mind powers can be transmitted electronically, beware. :p

They're basically *nix skills, e.g. UNIX. If you've experience from that area or something similar, then you already have a lot of "Linux skills".

I'm a Windows person but I started using unix on X-Windows terminal stations hooked to Sun UNIX server systems. Oh joy.
Now I've a got laptop 100 times more power than one of those servers.

while Ubuntu does (albeit a very ugly one)

Yeah, I don't get that! Look at the other desktop dists - even Gentoo! - most of them have had gorgeous bootsplashes for years now, but for some reason the Ubuntu people just cannot seem to pull it off. What is up with that?

I'm a Windows person but I started using unix on X-Windows terminal stations hooked to Sun UNIX server systems. Oh joy.
Now I've a got laptop 100 times more power than one of those servers.
Sun servers aren't the may lake raw power for running only a few application, but they scale incredibly well (so did the PowerPC for that matter).

Debian by default doesn't have a boot splash program, while Ubuntu does (albeit a very ugly one)

Ew, ugly.
I think I'm alright with everything you and Fassigen have mentioned… might try out Debian if (when?) I get stuck with a PC.
I'm thinking of taking up Unix anyway, so I probably won't have too many problems.

Sun servers aren't the may lake raw power for running only a few application, but they scale incredibly well (so did the PowerPC for that matter).

I'm a gamer so servers aren't really my thing, but maybe I'll build a quad-Xeon gaming server/desktop one day :p

Ew, ugly.
I think I'm alright with everything you and Fassigen have mentioned… might try out Debian if (when?) I get stuck with a PC.
I'm thinking of taking up Unix anyway, so I probably won't have too many problems.

You mean that earthy brown-orange colour? Whatever they call at Ubuntu.

You mean that earthy brown-orange colour? Whatever they call at Ubuntu.

Don't ask me, I don't know ;)

I'm a gamer so servers aren't really my thing, but maybe I'll build a quad-Xeon gaming server/desktop one day :p
Can you say overkill? You'd be better served with Quad-SLI.

Can you say overkill? You'd be better served with Quad-SLI.

Plus, Quad-SLI can always double as a radiator.

Plus, Quad-SLI can always double as a radiator.
I prefer a Pentium D EE.

I prefer a Pentium D EE.

Meh, the AMD Athlon FX-74 outdoes that!

I'm a gamer so servers aren't really my thing, but maybe I'll build a quad-Xeon gaming server/desktop one day :p

Why stop at quad?

Meh, the AMD Athlon FX-74 outdoes that!
This first review I Googled for the FX-74 listed a maximum temperature of 59 degrees, whilst the EE was typically in the mid 70's.

This first review I Googled for the FX-74 listed a maximum temperature of 59 degrees, whilst the EE was typically in the mid 70's.

Where I live, it'd be over 80 ...

Where I live, it'd be over 80 ...
For which? I've seen stock EE get into the 90's during the summer.

Why stop at quad?

Because eventually you start running into serious cooling problems, especially if you live in a typically warm and humid climate.

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But then if you can afford that kind of stuff to begin with, you can probably afford adequate cooling...it's not as if you're building a HAL or a Ziggy, after all.

Because eventually you start running into serious cooling problems, especially if you live in a typically warm and humid climate.

...

But then if you can afford that kind of stuff to begin with, you can probably afford adequate cooling...it's not as if you're building a HAL or a Ziggy, after all.

Can't go wrong with freon. Mmm, CFCs…

Because eventually you start running into serious cooling problems, especially if you live in a typically warm and humid climate.

...

But then if you can afford that kind of stuff to begin with, you can probably afford adequate cooling...it's not as if you're building a HAL or a Ziggy, after all.
You can get 16 (4 Quad core Xeons) cores running with stock coolers.

Can't go wrong with freon. Mmm, CFCs…

I live the tropics! My current Opteron 165 fan runs at full speed all the time, and that's during the cool season. It gets rather noisy during hot season.

You can get 16 (4 Quad core Xeons) cores running with stock coolers.

Oooh...If I could afford that...I think I'd be set for the next, what, fifteen years worth of gaming?

Of course I'd need equivalent video cards...say, 8800XT SLI x 4? Or would that just be ridiculous?

Oooh...If I could afford that...I think I'd be set for the next, what, fifteen years worth of gaming?

Of course I'd need equivalent video cards...say, 8800XT SLI x 4? Or would that just be ridiculous?

No, 4 x 8800GTX Ultras SLI silly.

Oooh...If I could afford that...I think I'd be set for the next, what, fifteen years worth of gaming?

Of course I'd need equivalent video cards...say, 8800XT SLI x 4? Or would that just be ridiculous?
If current trends indicate anything, that would do jack to your frame rates, but the Quad 8800 Ultra would.

Of course, both would be obsolete in five years, never mind fifteen.

No, 4 x 8800GTX Ultras SLI silly.

Right, of course.

I would need a monitor capable of utilizing such power, though...problem is, I have no idea what kind of monitor that would be. Any ideas?

Posi: Even so, it'd still be wonderously powerful, and I've never been one to go for the absolute latest games immediately anyway.

Right, of course.

I would need a monitor capable of utilizing such power, though...problem is, I have no idea what kind of monitor that would be. Any ideas?

Posi: Even so, it'd still be wonderously powerful, and I've never been one to go for the absolute latest games immediately anyway.
Me neither. Latest I've gotten is Oblivion. I goofed when buying some new HDD's (forgot to get SATA cables, all mine are in a different province:headbang:) so my Windows install is in a box. This leaves me with my dad's comp (with a 7300) or Cedega for gaming. Neither are going to run anything cutting edge.

Maybe this (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=222-7175) monitor could cut it.

Me neither. Latest I've gotten is Oblivion. I goofed when buying some new HDD's (forgot to get SATA cables, all mine are in a different province:headbang:) so my Windows install is in a box. This leaves me with my dad's comp (with a 7300) or Cedega for gaming. Neither are going to run anything cutting edge.

Well, you could always go to NewEgg and buy a few. They're pretty cheap, and you can use the ones at your mom's--Mom would be the house in the other province, correct?--as backups.

Maybe this (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=222-7175) monitor could cut it.

...

Holy shit. That's not a monitor. That's a fucking T.V.! :eek:

Well, you could always go to NewEgg and buy a few. They're pretty cheap, and you can use the ones at your mom's--Mom would be the house in the other province, correct?--as backups.
Creep alert! You know a fact about me that I've only blabbed a few hundred times and can easily be deduced from what I've posted! lol

I just don't feel like it though. It's to much of a hassle for something that is going to run $20. But my dad said we a a Source up here, so I'll try that.

Creep alert! You know a fact about me that I've only blabbed a few hundred times and can easily be deduced from what I've posted! lol
I used logic. Don't worry; I have no interest in most of your personal life, only what is relevant to discussion.

I just don't feel like it though. It's to much of a hassle for something that is going to run $20. But my dad said we a a Source up here, so I'll try that.

A good idea. That way you avoid shipping costs.

Damn it...I need a new job...I haven't had one for a while and looking at some of these new computer parts is making me envious.

A good idea. That way you avoid shipping costs. That way I avoid Fedex's and VISA's formalities when picking up my $20 purchase.
Damn it...I need a new job...I haven't had one for a while and looking at some of these new computer parts is making me envious.
I have the money, but cannot buy them (that money has to go to tuition and a new car, but I am going to try to force a laptop in there too).

That way I avoid Fedex's and VISA's formalities when picking up my $20 purchase.
Heh. I always used UPS to avoid that very thing...though I did have that package UPS lost for about three days before it appeared somewhere it shouldn't have--on top of the mailboxes(We've got a row of mailboxes all together for many of the people in the area rather than a mailbox at each house. Luckily for us, the mailboxes are right across the street from us.)--and wearing a plastic bag, which it needed on its delivery date of Friday but not on the following Monday.

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For days after that due to the weird cirumstances I had this odd thought that the part somehow traveled through time, but that's ridiculous.

I have the money, but cannot buy them (that money has to go to tuition and a new car, but I am going to try to force a laptop in there too).

...

Damn you. Damn you twice over.

That said, it's my own fault that I do not have similiar funds when I was more than capable of gathering them.

Heh. I always used UPS to avoid that very thing...though I did have that package UPS lost for about three days before it appeared somewhere it shouldn't have--on top of the mailboxes(We've got a row of mailboxes all together for many of the people in the area rather than a mailbox at each house. Luckily for us, the mailboxes are right across the street from us.)--and wearing a plastic bag, which it needed on its delivery date of Friday but not on the following Monday.
I use FedEx as I know that nobody is going to be there when the thing ships. So FedEx is the best choice for pick up as it a) has a pickup location in my town (UPS's is in Edmonton, a 4 hour drive) b) the chick there is hot. A win-win combo if you ask me.

EDIT: Get a freaking job! My biggest regret is not getting one sooner.

I use FedEx as I know that nobody is going to be there when the thing ships. So FedEx is the best choice for pick up as it a) has a pickup location in my town (UPS's is in Edmonton, a 4 hour drive) b) the chick there is hot. A win-win combo if you ask me.
Whereas there's always someone at home here, so I never have to worry about that sort of thing.

EDIT: Get a freaking job! My biggest regret is not getting one sooner.
I quit my job back in November because I was becoming depressed over some issues--stupid depression, mind, that I should've easily handled with, at most, a few days off-- and have not gotten a job since because I've been on a real lazy streak. Lately though I am looking for a job...one in particular that looks hopeful is this job in the area's school system, where I'd be working in the cafeteria, cooking up food for the school kids.

...

Yes, it's somewhat pathetic, but it's a good looking job and very few are available right now.

Whereas there's always someone at home here, so I never have to worry about that sort of thing.

I quit my job back in November because I was becoming depressed over some issues--stupid depression, mind, that I should've easily handled with, at most, a few days off-- and have not gotten a job since because I've been on a real lazy streak. Lately though I am looking for a job...one in particular that looks hopeful is this job in the area's school system, where I'd be working in the cafeteria, cooking up food for the school kids.

...

Yes, it's somewhat pathetic, but it's a good looking job and very few are available right now.
Wow, I am used to working in markets were ever business is understaffed so getting a job was pretty easy...

Wow, I am used to working in markets were ever business is understaffed so getting a job was pretty easy...

Well, the main problem is the single lack of a job around where I live, given that I live rather far from any potential places of work. I also do not have access to a vehicle--at least not in terms of just taking the van and driving to work--because it is needed for my mother, who has diabetes--was diagnosed a couple months ago--and has been quite ill recently, though she has recovered. Furthermore, while several new places in relatively close by areas--Conifer and Aspen Park--have been opening, they are already filled to the brim, job wise. If I do go anywhere for a job, it'd have to be by bus, and that would limit me to 5 A.M. to 5 P.M. working time.

And finally, the two main places I could still have gotten a job at--Safeway and King Soopers--I can't because prior to the job I held at Wendy's--the one I quit from-I held a brief job at each place and was subsequently fired, and once fired one cannot seek employment with those companies ever again.

So basically I'm screwed unless I can find an online job, which would be perfect. Have any ideas?

Well, the main problem is the single lack of a job around where I live, given that I live rather far from any potential places of work. I also do not have access to a vehicle--at least not in terms of just taking the van and driving to work--because it is needed for my mother, who has diabetes--was diagnosed a couple months ago--and has been quite ill recently, though she has recovered. Furthermore, while several new places in relatively close by areas--Conifer and Aspen Park--have been opening, they are already filled to the brim, job wise. If I do go anywhere for a job, it'd have to be by bus, and that would limit me to 5 A.M. to 5 P.M. working time.

And finally, the two main places I could still have gotten a job at--Safeway and King Soopers--I can't because prior to the job I held at Wendy's--the one I quit from-I held a brief job at each place and was subsequently fired, and once fired one cannot seek employment with those companies ever again.

So basically I'm screwed unless I can find an online job, which would be perfect. Have any ideas?
How'd you get fired from Safeway and King Soopers? Did you tell your supervisor(s) to fuck themself(ves)? Or did you skip your first three or four shifts?

EDIT: Your buses suck. In BC they went from 5am to 4am.

How'd you get fired from Safeway and King Soopers? Did you tell your supervisor(s) to fuck themself(ves)? Or did you skip your first three or four shifts?

EDIT: Your buses suck. In BC they went from 5am to 4am.

At least the buses probably get there on time…or at all.
:mad: Evil small town buses…

How'd you get fired from Safeway and King Soopers? Did you tell your supervisor(s) to fuck themself(ves)? Or did you skip your first three or four shifts?
With Safeway, I was irresponsible. I worked in the deli and would make mistakes that I ought not to have because I should have learned faster. I also occasionally ate bits and pieces of meat and I was probably caught doing that without knowing it. (This was when I was eighteen, and while that was only two years ago age wise, I have changed significantly.)

King Soopers is a bit more understandable, though, and I actually agree with them in this case. I was a courtesy clerk and I was working a shift when the CEO of Krogers--the company that owns King Soopers and a whole lot of other supermarket chains in the U.S.--came in and was watching me just as I accidentely dropped a jar of mayo. It shattered and spilled the stuff all over the customer who was purchasing it, though luckily no one was cut by the glass. That earned me a firing on the spot to cover the asses of the managers at that King Soopers. (Fortunately I am still allowed to shop there.)

EDIT: Your buses suck. In BC they went from 5am to 4am.
Well, it's that distance thing again. These are buses in the same company that buses stuff around Denver and the other cities around it. Being up in the mountains about sixty miles away from Denver, we're lucky we see the buses at all. As it is we're the furthest stop.

With Safeway, I was irresponsible. I worked in the deli and would make mistakes that I ought not to have because I should have learned faster. I also occasionally ate bits and pieces of meat and I was probably caught doing that without knowing it. (This was when I was eighteen, and while that was only two years ago age wise, I have changed significantly.)

King Soopers is a bit more understandable, though, and I actually agree with them in this case. I was a courtesy clerk and I was working a shift when the CEO of Krogers--the company that owns King Soopers and a whole lot of other supermarket chains in the U.S.--came in and was watching me just as I accidentely dropped a jar of mayo. It shattered and spilled the stuff all over the customer who was purchasing it, though luckily no one was cut by the glass. That earned me a firing on the spot to cover the asses of the managers at that King Soopers. (Fortunately I am still allowed to shop there.)
I can see the first one, maybe, but the second one I do not agree with at all. Sure the customer would try to crucify you after telling you ruin the lives of everyone you meet and all that, but getting fired for that? That is weak in my eyes.

I can see the first one, maybe, but the second one I do not agree with at all. Sure the customer would try to crucify you after telling you ruin the lives of everyone you meet and all that, but getting fired for that? That is weak in my eyes.
Well, as I said, it was the CEO of Krogers watching me, the big guy of the big guys. He was visiting because the King Soopers in Aspen Park is quite new--was only opened early last year--and could have had the place shut down or the managers careers ruined because my mistake would have shown an extremely poor case of judgement on their part, or would have shown they do not train their employees very well. In any case, it would have cost the managers their jobs if I had not been fired on the spot. They later contacted me and apologized for having to do it, but I understand why, as while I do not know any of them personally, I am aware of the fact that all of the managers have families that depend on their income, and they could not have afforded to lose their jobs, while I was able to afford it quite easily. I might not like the circumstances, but I do not blame them in the least.