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So I'm reading an article online today, which through the wonders of technology, I can link to (no pop-ups or spyware that I can detect) here:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070615205508.ezt49bsa&show_article=1

Basically says, in a few words, that crystal meth is a growth industry, as you can see:

Crystal methamphetamine use among young American adults is twice higher than previously estimated, according to National Institutes of Health (NIH) research published Friday.
Also known as "ice," "crystal," "glass," and "tina," crystal meth is a highly addictive, inexpensive, colorless stimulant that affects the central nervous system.

Typically smoked, it is used by 2.8 percent of young adults aged 18-26, according to the revised results of a 2001-2002 study conducted by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, part of the NIH.

The initial research had found crystal use at 1.4 percent among adults aged 19-28.

"This new information gives us a clearer picture of use among young adults, but also raises new concerns," said NIH Director Elias Zerhouni.


Anyway, the conclusion from most sources is this: crystal meth - not a good thing, hurts people, hurts kids, will kill you, etc. But as we all know, the government doesn't always tell the whole truth when telling John Q. Public what to and what not to ingest. ;) This isn't to say that they're always flat-out lying to us, but that they do play the role of advocate and can and do bend statistics to support their conclusions.

So, I put it to you, members of the public. :)

Have you tried methamphetamine, and if so was it as powerful and difficult to quit using as the government would like us to think?

Most of you don't use it, but a few probably do, and I would guess that most here know more than a few friends or acquaintances who have dabbled - I sure do! :p I'll let others get the ball rolling before I chime in with my comments and a poll, just for fun. ;)

Dog the Bounty Hunter says it's bad stuff!

Our resident Hawaiian might have something to add as I heard it's big in Hawaii.

Dog the Bounty Hunter says it's bad stuff!

Our resident Hawaiian might have something to add as I heard it's big in Hawaii.

No question that it's bad in terms of sending you to prison - though so is bootleg whisky and marijuana, which most consider relatively harmless. I guess what I'm looking for is opinion on whether it's bad in terms of your health and well-being. ;)

Jib-rockers are some of the most fucked up people I've ever encountered. My brother used meth for 3, very bad years. It's been three years since, and he says he still doesn't feel right.

It's fairly easy to make, and it's EVERYWHERE. It's a huge problem in many rural communities. When I lived in once such community, random, crazy meth violence was becoming very common. In one incident (this was a community of about 4000 people mind you), a woman on meth walked into a house and stabbed a man in the eye with scissors because she thought he was her ex-boyfriend.

I tried speed when I was younger. Bad, bad stuff. Meth? I wouldn't touch it, ever. And people on meth? I give them WIDE berth. I don't give a shit what the government says about it...I've seen it, and it's scary.

This is coming from someone, by the way, who would legalise marijuana up to heroin.

As long as it's not causing you to hurt anyone I know (or to a slightly lesser extent people I don't) I'm not going to wrestle it away from you. Unfortunately this is the real world where that can't be guaranteed.

I tried speed when I was younger. Bad, bad stuff. Meth? I wouldn't touch it, ever. And people on meth? I give them WIDE berth.

That's my policy, too. It's funny, some people I know that use meth are regular guys who work 50-hour weeks and go to church on Sunday and everything, and others go absolutely batty on it and spend three days tearing their car apart to fix some imaginary problem. I guess that's why I'm cautious, but haven't really closed the file on it yet, as to forming an opinion.

No question that it's bad in terms of sending you to prison - though so is bootleg whisky and marijuana, which most consider relatively harmless. I guess what I'm looking for is opinion on whether it's bad in terms of your health and well-being. ;)

Do not compare meth to whiskey or marijuana.

One, alcohol is worse in terms of behaviour modification than marijuana. I'd say it's worse than pot, by a long shot.

And two, you don't get a nice, easy high on meth. You get fucked fast, twitchy and paranoid.

That's my policy, too. It's funny, some people I know that use meth are regular guys who work 50-hour weeks and go to church on Sunday and everything, and others go absolutely batty on it and spend three days tearing their car apart to fix some imaginary problem. I guess that's why I'm cautious, but haven't really closed the file on it yet, as to forming an opinion.

Are you saying that gremlins aren't real? :( I've wasted my life.

Do not compare meth to whiskey or marijuana.

One, alcohol is worse in terms of behaviour modification than marijuana. I'd say it's worse than pot, by a long shot.

And two, you don't get a nice, easy high on meth. You get fucked fast, twitchy and paranoid.

I was only comparing them on the "likely to send you to prison" scale, not on their effects. ;) I don't doubt that meth has a more pronounced and severe effect on the user than marijuana or alcohol.

Are you saying that gremlins aren't real? :( I've wasted my life.

Well, there was that movie. And I think I saw a Gremlin in the Wal-Mart parking lot once. :p

Dog the Bounty Hunter says it's bad stuff!

Our resident Hawaiian might have something to add as I heard it's big in Hawaii.

I don't think Hawaii has anything on Alabama.

Apparently Portland, Oregon has a terrible meth problem. I'm glad I didn't see any meth addicts myself (I stayed out of downtown at night) cause I heard they pick at themselves and make awful wounds all over their bodies.

Apparently Portland, Oregon has a terrible meth problem. I'm glad I didn't see any meth addicts myself (I stayed out of downtown at night) cause I heard they pick at themselves and make awful wounds all over their bodies.

I've heard that too. Though I've heard the same thing about PCP, Ketamine, Crack Cocaine, and a few other drugs, no doubt. Either it's a rumor or our brains are just begging for an excuse to start scratching holes in us. :p

I should mention that I have a cousin who albeit, was already disturbed, and had been in and out of jail since he was a kid getting sent to juvie...mostly B&Es, a few car thefts etc. Anyway, he started doing meth, and he is now a schizophrenic. I suspect the meth triggered an already present condition, but regardless...he's absolutely fucked now. He has gotten violent, when after nearly a lifetime of crime he never had before.

Another more distant cousin stabbed his wife to death while he was high on meth. She had moved his guitar to the other side of the room.

In Kentucky, the news has a story about a meth lab exploding in someone's basement or trailer every week. Production is pretty high there, since the stuff is easy (but dangerous) to make. The effects of the drug I can't talk about from personal experience, but what I've heard from the users I know is that it simply fucks you up worse than anything else available.

I've heard that too. Though I've heard the same thing about PCP, Ketamine, Crack Cocaine, and a few other drugs, no doubt. Either it's a rumor or our brains are just begging for an excuse to start scratching holes in us. :p

Well I guess the idea is that they feel bugs crawling under their skin? It seems to be a very popular sensation among the unbalanced. My boyfriend's aunt and cousins who live in Portland see these people all the time, they say it's often single working mothers who fall prey to it. I did see a buttload of homeless people, they are sleeping EVERYwhere at night. I saw them from a car though so I couldn't tell if any of them were trying to remove imaginary bugs from their skin the old-fashioned way.

There was a meth lab very very near my house. a couple Virginians got busted for makign a meth lab right here in NC.

I don't know so much about bodily harm (I have heard things though...) but I have heard horror stories of people who bought houses that had been meth labs... horrible stuff. Meth apparently causes all sorts of problems, even if it's residue from a former lab.

BTW, the property the meth lab was on... it's still not entirely cleaned up yet, AFAIK.

I should mention that I have a cousin who albeit, was already disturbed, and had been in and out of jail since he was a kid getting sent to juvie...mostly B&Es, a few car thefts etc. Anyway, he started doing meth, and he is now a schizophrenic. I suspect the meth triggered an already present condition, but regardless...he's absolutely fucked now. He has gotten violent, when after nearly a lifetime of crime he never had before.

Another more distant cousin stabbed his wife to death while he was high on meth. She had moved his guitar to the other side of the room.
Anything from weed to hallucinogens can do that if there is a psychosis dormant. For my part, Meth, Coke, and Heroin are the three I believe should be illegal. I've also been reading up on PCP, which is another one that genuinely scares me.

I have heard horror stories of people who bought houses that had been meth labs... horrible stuff. Meth apparently causes all sorts of problems, even if it's residue from a former lab.

Really? Like what? Like black gunk on the walls or like people getting high from just walking around in the house?

I used Crystal Meth once. I enjoyed the trip, at least the first prt; the second hit didn't help matters and the sobering was terrible. I decided not to use it again. I much prefer weed.

It's addictive because the sobering takes away your sweet high and returning to normal feels like crap after being high. That is not a fun feeling.

I used Crystal Meth once. I enjoyed the trip, at least the first prt; the second hit didn't help matters and the sobering was terrible. I decided not to use it again. I much prefer weed.

It's addictive because the sobering takes away your sweet high and returning to normal feels like crap after being high. That is not a fun feeling.
That's why I stick mostly to hallucinogens. I'm not really a party guy anyway, so it's not much of a loss for me. I do intend to try opium eventually, though - it intrigues me.

Anything from weed to hallucinogens can do that if there is a psychosis dormant. For my part, Meth, Coke, and Heroin are the three I believe should be illegal. I've also been reading up on PCP, which is another one that genuinely scares me.

He's been smoking weed since he was little, mushrooms as a teen, acid aplenty. Perhaps the meth just pushed him over the edge. Perhaps the schizophrenia made him violent. Perhaps, perhaps perhaps.

Yes, PCP is another nasty one. For a while, some of the pot we were getting was laced with it. Bad. Very bad.

That's why I stick mostly to hallucinogens. I'm not really a party guy anyway, so it's not much of a loss for me. I do intend to try opium eventually, though - it intrigues me.

Careful. It's too good.

Really? Like what? Like black gunk on the walls or like people getting high from just walking around in the house?

Apparently there were rust stains and other stains as well as some vapors that hadn't escaped, i guess. But one family moved into a house that was a former meth lab, and they started suffering from all sorts of stuff like lung problems, heart problems, etc. They had to burn it down, IIRC.

He's been smoking weed since he was little, mushrooms as a teen, acid aplenty. Perhaps the meth just pushed him over the edge. Perhaps the schizophrenia made him violent. Perhaps, perhaps perhaps.

Yes, PCP is another nasty one. For a while, some of the pot we were getting was laced with it. Bad. Very bad.
PCP is one of the ones that actually does cause brain lesions. On the subject, drug lacers are subhuman swine unfit to dine upon the contents of my bowels...
Maybe it did, yes, but I have never heard of any drug causing psychosis. I know they can aggravate existing conditions, but I suppose there's no way of knowing who has an 'existing condition', is there?

That's why I stick mostly to hallucinogens. I'm not really a party guy anyway, so it's not much of a loss for me. I do intend to try opium eventually, though - it intrigues me.

Careful. It's too good.

Agree 100%, there. At least as far as painkillers go - watch out. ;)

Careful. It's too good.
Yeah, I know... it is possible to avoid tolerance by ensuring you never do it more than four days. Any addiction up to that point is merely psychological, but once you develop a build up of it, the addiction becomes chemical. So, yes, it's dangerous... I'll be careful.

In Kentucky, the news has a story about a meth lab exploding in someone's basement or trailer every week. Production is pretty high there, since the stuff is easy (but dangerous) to make. The effects of the drug I can't talk about from personal experience, but what I've heard from the users I know is that it simply fucks you up worse than anything else available.

Yeah, apparently trailers are the perfect place to make meth.

PCP is one of the ones that actually does cause brain lesions. On the subject, drug lacers are subhuman swine unfit to dine upon the contents of my bowels...
Maybe it did, yes, but I have never heard of any drug causing psychosis. I know they can aggravate existing conditions, but I suppose there's no way of knowing who has an 'existing condition', is there?

You'll note that in my original post I said I suspected it triggered a pre-existing condition. And I agree on the drug lacers.

You'll note that in my original post I said I suspected it triggered a pre-existing condition. And I agree on the drug lacers.
Oh, okay. I missed that :)

Wouldn't it just be easier and safer to produce lead or some sort of nerve gas?

Well apparently meth is easy to make, but it's ay dangerous...

Apparently there were rust stains and other stains as well as some vapors that hadn't escaped, i guess. But one family moved into a house that was a former meth lab, and they started suffering from all sorts of stuff like lung problems, heart problems, etc. They had to burn it down, IIRC.

Wouldn't it just be easier and safer to produce lead or some sort of nerve gas?

Wouldn't it just be easier and safer to produce lead or some sort of nerve gas?

Maybe, but meth is a bit more lucrative, I suspect. :p

Is this a physical dependancy, or pyschological dependancy?

The article didn't say, I don't think. Maybe both?

Is this a physical dependancy, or pyschological dependancy?

Is this a physical dependancy, or pyschological dependancy?
Meth? it's chemical, man. Hardcore chemical addiction. I've heard it's the most addictive drug known.

Chemistry amazes me, though. XTC is just a methanol molecule with a methamphetamine molecule, and it has significantly different properties. I love the Erowid molecule viewer, specifically: Erowid (http://erowid.org/cgi-bin/chem_compare/chem_compare.cgi?LM=_ch_mdma_ia_mdma_3d_mid.jpg&RM=_ch_meth_ia_methamphetamine_3d_mid.jpg)

Maybe, but meth is a bit more lucrative, I suspect. :p

I guess people are a little more wise to the death inducing effects of lead.

Woo 2000!

PCP is one of the ones that actually does cause brain lesions. On the subject, drug lacers are subhuman swine unfit to dine upon the contents of my bowels...
Maybe it did, yes, but I have never heard of any drug causing psychosis. I know they can aggravate existing conditions, but I suppose there's no way of knowing who has an 'existing condition', is there?

There has been no reported brain lesions in human's caused by PCP, the only study done on the matter was done on rodents, and later the study was retracted by the person who published it.

Meth? it's chemical, man. Hardcore chemical addiction. I've heard it's the most addictive drug known.

Don't remember that term used in crimalistics class. how's it different?

Don't remember that term used in crimalistics class. how's it different?
Sorry? not sure I follow...
There has been no reported brain lesions in human's caused by PCP, the only study done on the matter was done on rodents, and later the study was retracted by the person who published it.
Right, my bad. It was on rodents. But the study was not retracted. You're thinking of another drug, but which one escapes me at the moment.
Proof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine)

Meth? it's chemical, man. Hardcore chemical addiction. I've heard it's the most addictive drug known.

It's not a very powerful chemical addiction (at least compared to opiates, nicotine or alcohol), however, the psychological association to it is very strong, and the rush that's gotten combined with the crash afterwards so people binge on it. There is a hormone your body release called oxytocin which makes an addict literally fall in love with the substance, but there is very little chemical dependency with most stimulants.

Sorry? not sure I follow...


I think he meand Criminology. Maybe they call it Criminalistics in England? Not sure.

It's not a very powerful chemical addiction (at least compared to opiates, nicotine or alcohol), however, the psychological association to it is very strong, and the rush that's gotten combined with the crash afterwards so people binge on it. There is a hormone your body release called oxytocin which makes an addict literally fall in love with the substance, but there is very little chemical dependency with most stimulants.

I think that's true, except isn't it dopamine that meth releases? That's what I was told once.

Sorry? not sure I follow...

Right, my bad. It was on rodents. But the study was not retracted. You're thinking of another drug, but which one escapes me at the moment.
Proof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine)

You're right, it was shown that DXM, another NMDA antagonist, didn't cause olney's lesions in humans, and there is controversy about other NMDA antagonists causing lesions in humans as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olney%27s_lesions#Controversy

So I'm reading an article online today, which through the wonders of technology, I can link to (no pop-ups or spyware that I can detect) here:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070615205508.ezt49bsa&show_article=1

i use to do it,and it affected me in good ways and bad ways.most people think they are doing crystal meth but are really doing a substitute called crank,thats what we called it.
being wide awake for days can be bad or good.




Anyway, the conclusion from most sources is this: crystal meth - not a good thing, hurts people, hurts kids, will kill you, etc. But as we all know, the government doesn't always tell the whole truth when telling John Q. Public what to and what not to ingest. ;) This isn't to say that they're always flat-out lying to us, but that they do play the role of advocate and can and do bend statistics to support their conclusions.

So, I put it to you, members of the public. :)

Have you tried methamphetamine, and if so was it as powerful and difficult to quit using as the government would like us to think?

Most of you don't use it, but a few probably do, and I would guess that most here know more than a few friends or acquaintances who have dabbled - I sure do! :p I'll let others get the ball rolling before I chime in with my comments and a poll, just for fun. ;)



i use to do it,and it affected me in good ways and bad ways.most people think they are doing crystal meth but are really doing a substitute called crank,thats what we called it.
being wide awake for days can be bad or good.
i will say i have seen it destroy friends more then it has helped them,that it usually ruins more then it helps.

i am one of the unfortunate few that can and does use drugs recreationally and it does not bother me,so i cant say what drugs do to people,my ex used to smoke crack with me and i would be,well i got to go to bed and still have some left and they would bug out...how can you go to bed?
so i am not one to answer questions about drug use,as it affects me differently i guess.
but i will say,dont fuck around with meth,i have seen it ruin more people then i care to remember,and it really ruins worse then most drugs.
aside from crack i think from personal exsperiance,it is the worst.

Meth is bad, bad stuff.

I know (and have known) many people who have become "addicted". I say "have known", because those people are all dead, in the literal sense - including a close family member. More are in prison. Its use NEVER ends well.

Bad, bad stuff.

I think that's true, except isn't it dopamine that meth releases? That's what I was told once.
Most drugs release Dopamine, such as Cocaine and Heroin. Some drugs also work on Serotonin (the happy ones, like XTC), and norephedrine. PCP works on all three, I believe. I'm tired and just talking off the top of my head, so no one rape my persona in my absence, if you please.
:)

i use to do it,and it affected me in good ways and bad ways.most people think they are doing crystal meth but are really doing a substitute called crank,thats what we called it.
being wide awake for days can be bad or good.
i will say i have seen it destroy friends more then it has helped them,that it usually ruins more then it helps.

i am one of the unfortunate few that can and does use drugs recreationally and it does not bother me,so i cant say what drugs do to people,my ex used to smoke crack with me and i would be,well i got to go to bed and still have some left and they would bug out...how can you go to bed?
so i am not one to answer questions about drug use,as it affects me differently i guess.
but i will say,dont fuck around with meth,i have seen it ruin more people then i care to remember,and it really ruins worse then most drugs.
aside from crack i think from personal exsperiance,it is the worst.

That's basically my experience - some people can handle it and some just can't. It seems like the average guy gets screwed, though, which gives me a negative overall impression.

Meth is bad, bad stuff.

I know (and have known) many people who have become "addicted". I say "have known", because those people are all dead, in the literal sense - including a close family member. More are in prison. Its use NEVER ends well.

Bad, bad stuff.

That's true. A friend of mine has been in and out of prison constantly over the past six and a bit before then as a juvenile. Not much fun, it seems - though he's a pro at dominoes now, and fluent in Spanish. So there's some silver lining, it seems. :p

I think he meand Criminology. Maybe they call it Criminalistics in England? Not sure.

Lower west michigan, but we're just a bunch of ass backwards people anyways.:p

Lower west michigan, but we're just a bunch of ass backwards people anyways.:p

Ah, that explains it. :p

Ah, that explains it. :p

You get used to people saying tahlet, instead of toilet.

You get used to people saying tahlet, instead of toilet.


i have to edit myself..heroin is the worst,did it one time..one time only thank god,and i was so fucking sick the next morning,i could not focus my eyes and kept vomiting..pleasant side affect..lol...and some guy tells me,no problem,just do some more and you will feel better...and i was hurting bad,but at least i was smart enough to never feel like that again.
and i did not do it on purpose..i was with a girl and she said want to do a line..i thought it was coke....i like coke....and did it...was sick for 3 days,have the flu for days and then this asshole wants me to kiss the carrier..lol...meth is bad news,heroin is bad news,i dont mind weed and coke...but then again i rarely indulge.

i have to edit myself..heroin is the worst,did it one time..one time only thank god,and i was so fucking sick the next morning,i could not focus my eyes and kept vomiting..pleasant side affect..lol...and some guy tells me,no problem,just do some more and you will feel better...and i was hurting bad,but at least i was smart enough to never feel like that again.
and i did not do it on purpose..i was with a girl and she said want to do a line..i thought it was coke....i like coke....and did it...was sick for 3 days,have the flu for days and then this asshole wants me to kiss the carrier..lol...meth is bad news,heroin is bad news,i dont mind weed and coke...but then again i rarely indulge.

Sounds rough. Then again, a friend of mine complained that coke gave him a headache and running nose, but liked heroin when he used it. Seems like everyone reacts a bit differently.

Dont forget that meth adicts end up with meth faces so not only will it fuck up your mind, it will make you ugly on the outside too (and for the rest of your life.)

Its scary stuff, and apparently all the people exploding meth labs all over themselves are driving up medical costs since it causes bad bad chemical burns paired with the fact that the people never want to actually tell the doctors what the heck is on them.

Dont forget that meth adicts end up with meth faces so not only will it fuck up your mind, it will make you ugly on the outside too (and for the rest of your life.)

Its scary stuff, and apparently all the people exploding meth labs all over themselves are driving up medical costs since it causes bad bad chemical burns paired with the fact that the people never want to actually tell the doctors what the heck is on them.

That's probably true, about the meth labs burning people; however, I heard that the whole "meth-mouth" phenomenon is pretty much hype, or at least only indirectly related to meth use. That is to say, junkies age fast regardless what drug they use, because lying in the gutter disregarding your health will do that to you. :p

My mom used to take a shitload of Sudafed for her allergy problems (similar drug to meth but in a lesser form) and she's told me stories about she had massive memory loss, felt hazy all the time and over all didn't function as well. This is of course has all changed since she got off Sudafed.

So my opinion is if a smaller version of the drug can fuck you up that bad the full force would be awful. I'm never going anywhere near meth.

My dad died from it, so yeah I'd say it's bad.

My mom used to take a shitload of Sudafed for her allergy problems (similar drug to meth but in a lesser form) and she's told me stories about she had massive memory loss, felt hazy all the time and over all didn't function as well. This is of course has all changed since she got off Sudafed.

So my opinion is if a smaller version of the drug can fuck you up that bad the full force would be awful. I'm never going anywhere near meth.

While sudafed is similar to meth in that both are amphetamines, there are structural differences that cause them to have different effects on the brain and body. MDMA (e) is similar to meth as well, but its effects are far different from meth and completely different from sudafed. You can't base judgment on a drug because of the effects of a different drug.

My dad died from it, so yeah I'd say it's bad.

Sorry to hear that. :( Sounds like a good enough reason to avoid it to me.

Can't say I've tried it, but from a series of articles I read in the paper I wouldn't go near the stuff. Some of the ingredients....*shudders*

Can't say I've tried it, but from a series of articles I read in the paper I wouldn't go near the stuff. Some of the ingredients....*shudders*

Yeah, the list isn't too encouraging. Then again, I think cocaine is partly kerosene, and it never stopped people from going ape for it, especially in the 80s.

I have seen first hand the damage meth can do. Girls turning to prostitution by 18, men dying in random fights with the cops, seizures or simply snorting too big a rock. I have watched friends come over smacking their chops over and over again as they go through one of the many rather insane nervous habits that meth gives you.

Cocaine is good for you in comparison to meth. I hate cocaine as well, i have dealt with many dregs that got addicted to it, at work. Thing is we shouldnt help the addicts. Addicts make the choice on their own to do it, generally while partying between 16-18. Its entirely their selfish choice, they should be forced to pay for it.

I lived a party lifestyle till i was 21 and i never once touched cocaine, heroin, PCP or Crystal meth. That shit is just plain evil. Remember it was invented by the Japanese Imperial Army and given to the soldiers in their rice. Later it was given to the Kamikaze pilots. Hitler was also a meth addict later in the war. Enough said on Crystal meth. Meth also directly ages you worse then any other drug, much like cocaine it puts a tremendous strain on your body. I have seen 27 year old meth addicts that i mistook for 45. Same with Crack Cocaine.

Can't say I've tried it, but from a series of articles I read in the paper I wouldn't go near the stuff. Some of the ingredients....*shudders*

Methamphetamine is Methamphetamine, it's not actually made out of the ingredients used to produce it, those ingredients change the structure of a different molecule into a methamphetamine molecule.

We have a bigtime meth problem around here. Aside from the violence associated with its use, I'm objecting to meth because of the environmental impact the labs have.
The town across the freeway from ours used to be a big meth lab scene, because this is a poor county and the town is a particularly poor one. Cookers would set up in disused or cheap houses and store all kinds of nasty (as in toxic and volatile) chemicals to make it with. This of course would make them a public hazard because every once in awhile, something would get into something else too quickly and blow the entire building and the two flankers sky-high. The authorities come through every six months or so, raid the labs, cart the cookers off to jail, and nominally clean up the house. It'd be rented again, and five or six years down the line the people who rented it would get various, fairly rare kinds of cancer.
It seems that even cleaning up the houses doesn't make them fit for occupation. The residues from the crystal meth production get into the already bad scene (asbestos and formaldehyde) and turn it, basically, into a Superfund site. The only thing you can really do is raze the building to the ground, fence it off and let nature work on it for fifty or sixty years. And then of course the carcinogens and toxins leach into the groundwater...

It seems that even cleaning up the houses doesn't make them fit for occupation. The residues from the crystal meth production get into the already bad scene (asbestos and formaldehyde) and turn it, basically, into a Superfund site. The only thing you can really do is raze the building to the ground, fence it off and let nature work on it for fifty or sixty years. And then of course the carcinogens and toxins leach into the groundwater...

Sounds pretty bad. I hadn't really even considered that side of it. :(

Some drugs you can have harmless fun with.

Others don't really allow for that. Meth is one of those.

Personally, I steer clear from all stimulants. If you really need to be stimulated in the modern world, you're probably a corpse.

There are plenty of legal, plant-based highs out there: salvia's legal, lotus, morning glory, yohimbe, cloves. If you read up and think, one can get enhanced and not support domestic terrorism (I'm talking about gangs) to do it.

I lost a very close friend to it.....it's dangerous. It drastically increases your heart rate and increases the oxygen demand to you heart and if continued to be used, causes fatal heart attacks or deadly arrythemias.

Also, it causes your substantia nigra to release mass amounts of dopamine causing what can end up being devastating hallucinations.

In other words, what sounds like fun is a quick way to kill yourself. I'd say ask my friend, but well, for obvious reasons that is not possible.

For others who think it's fun now, please stop this shit before it destroys your life.

And yes, it is hard to cut the addiction depending on how much you use. Serious users will have a very hard time quitting.

Tweakers are a plague and a scourge.

This poll shouldn't have been anonymous, would be nice to see who admits to being a tweaker.

I believe Smunkee can tell you what meth does, along with its side effects...

See, I have this thing about combustible chemicals. I don't put them inside of me.

Not even liquor? That's plenty combustible. ;)

Nope. I don't drink.

See, I have this thing about combustible chemicals. I don't put them inside of me.

Not even liquor? That's plenty combustible. ;)

Tweakers are a plague and a scourge.

This poll shouldn't have been anonymous, would be nice to see who admits to being a tweaker.

Whoever would, probably wouldn't, in that case. Anyway, I wanted to ask the question, not interrogate people. ;)

Nope. I don't drink.

Well, pretty much anything drug-wise is combustible if you put a match to it. Well, maybe not rice pudding. :p

So I'm reading an article online today, which through the wonders of technology, I can link to (no pop-ups or spyware that I can detect) here:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070615205508.ezt49bsa&show_article=1

Basically says, in a few words, that crystal meth is a growth industry, as you can see:



Anyway, the conclusion from most sources is this: crystal meth - not a good thing, hurts people, hurts kids, will kill you, etc. But as we all know, the government doesn't always tell the whole truth when telling John Q. Public what to and what not to ingest. ;) This isn't to say that they're always flat-out lying to us, but that they do play the role of advocate and can and do bend statistics to support their conclusions.

So, I put it to you, members of the public. :)

Have you tried methamphetamine, and if so was it as powerful and difficult to quit using as the government would like us to think?

Most of you don't use it, but a few probably do, and I would guess that most here know more than a few friends or acquaintances who have dabbled - I sure do! :p I'll let others get the ball rolling before I chime in with my comments and a poll, just for fun. ;)
Still no change to the poll -

I have been around people on meth while they were on it and I'm pretty f*ckin' sure it's relatively dangerous, not only to the user but people in proximity to it.

Well, pretty much anything drug-wise is combustible if you put a match to it. Well, maybe not rice pudding. :p

Eh, you've probably got me when it comes to allergy meds then.

Any drug where you're more likely to be blown up making it than you are trying to sell it, buy it or steal it is something I'd call Dangerous.

You don't hear anything about coke labs or pot farms spontaneously combusting now do you?

Any drug where you're more likely to be blown up making it than you are trying to sell it, buy it or steal it is something I'd call Dangerous.

You don't hear anything about coke labs or pot farms spontaneously combusting now do you?

Actually... :p Pot "farms" in unattended houses do go up in flames quite often, and coke is made with kerosene, so it would probably happen here if we had the coca plant handy. I guess the lesson is, if you're going to grow pot, do it in a federally-recognized wilderness area, not in a house you're leasing. :)

I've seen people on Ket and Crack scratching themselves, and it's pretty rough, especially since they can't stop it due to the spasms they're having.

No idea about Crystal Meth, never seen it, even, here in England.

Really? Well, it's probably on the way. :p

I've heard that too. Though I've heard the same thing about PCP, Ketamine, Crack Cocaine, and a few other drugs, no doubt. Either it's a rumor or our brains are just begging for an excuse to start scratching holes in us. :p
I've seen people on Ket and Crack scratching themselves, and it's pretty rough, especially since they can't stop it due to the spasms they're having.

No idea about Crystal Meth, never seen it, even, here in England.

I'm living proof that a person can take Meth once in their life and never do it again. Like I said back on page 2, I took it once and I never have taken it since. I only tried it because I was curious. The trip was fun but the downing is the biggest turn off; you just feel like total shit because meth makes you completely elated; you feel like you're floating on a cloud so when you come down and the effects wear off, being sober feels like you've been hit a 18-wheeler.

I considered it a valuable experience. I know what meth does to me and I know what to expect. The downing is not worth the trip.

It's used by the US Air Force for the pilots.

Maybe it did, yes, but I have never heard of any drug causing psychosis. I know they can aggravate existing conditions, but I suppose there's no way of knowing who has an 'existing condition', is there?


Yes, they can, and do. The actual medical term for it is Drug-Induced Psychosis.

Ever heard of the drugs people put in people's drinks that can make a person go crazy? Happened to a friend of mine's cousin who had to be put into a psychiatric ward for awhile, and is now permanently off to the point of craziness. He goes from moments of quiet strange lucidity at which he laments about his state to at one point running away through the woods. Very painful on his family, he was a good athlete and had great college potential :(.

meth isn't a recreational drug, it's a drug of utility.

the high just isn't that fun.

if you are looking to self medicate though, it's pretty good, until you get addicted and your teeth fall out and your skin falls off and you get a hole in your heart and have a heart attack and nearly die.......then it's not so good.

I think it's pretty bad shit.

meth isn't a recreational drug, it's a drug of utility.

the high just isn't that fun.

if you are looking to self medicate though, it's pretty good, until you get addicted and your teeth fall out and your skin falls off and you get a hole in your heart and have a heart attack and nearly die.......then it's not so good.
You ever taken it?
Really? Well, it's probably on the way. :p
It's probably already here tbh, it's just nothing like as widespread in its usage as Ket and Coke.

It's used by the US Air Force for the pilots.

The Japanese gave it to their jet fighters too. I'm sure some of the kamikazes were jacked up.

I have been around people on meth while they were on it and I'm pretty f*ckin' sure it's relatively dangerous, not only to the user but people in proximity to it.

I'm all for letting people kill themselves and f*** up their lives but dragging others into it is where my tolerance ends.

Meth is dangerous.. to the person using it and the people around them. A large amount of the things in meth are deadly on thier own, and then there is the high, an almost immediate and violent jack up that causes paranoia and other crazy problems. Meth heads can get really violent really fast for no reason even when not on the drug and are generally very dangerous while high.

A news story comes to mind where a man strung out on crystal meth was driving across a backroad in Arizona and cut his young daughter's head off because he thought she was possessed by demons or a demon.

You ever taken it?
for about 3 years, shortly before my body completely gave out I got court ordered rehab, I got high the night before check-in and had a heart attack....sucky stuff. I have been clean for a while now, but still have to deal with the after effects, and will continue to have to deal with it until I die (which will probably be sooner than I would have if I hadn't abused it so long)

Meth is a horrible substance and the person who thought it up should be tortured by honey and fire ants. Yeah that's my opinion on it.


It can make you Schitzo BTW.

So I'm reading an article online today, which through the wonders of technology, I can link to (no pop-ups or spyware that I can detect) here:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070615205508.ezt49bsa&show_article=1

Basically says, in a few words, that crystal meth is a growth industry, as you can see:



Anyway, the conclusion from most sources is this: crystal meth - not a good thing, hurts people, hurts kids, will kill you, etc. But as we all know, the government doesn't always tell the whole truth when telling John Q. Public what to and what not to ingest. ;) This isn't to say that they're always flat-out lying to us, but that they do play the role of advocate and can and do bend statistics to support their conclusions.

So, I put it to you, members of the public. :)

Have you tried methamphetamine, and if so was it as powerful and difficult to quit using as the government would like us to think?

Most of you don't use it, but a few probably do, and I would guess that most here know more than a few friends or acquaintances who have dabbled - I sure do! :p I'll let others get the ball rolling before I chime in with my comments and a poll, just for fun. ;)


Do youo even need to ask this question? Have you never heard of meth houses exploding? have you never seen a meth addict? I mean you are ingesting household chemicals basically. Of course its dangerous. This has to be the most ridiculous thread in a while.

I'm all for letting people kill themselves and f*** up their lives but dragging others into it is where my tolerance ends.

Agreed, generally.

It's used by the US Air Force for the pilots.

You *must* provide a link.
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I'm all for letting people kill themselves and f*** up their lives but dragging others into it is where my tolerance ends.

Too bad drugs like meth often seem to end up dragging others down with the user. Guess that is another unfortunate side effect of taking a nasty drug such as this. This really is one such drug that should never come close to legalization. Don't really know why people would use it anyway, just drink gasoline, it would be cheaper and couldn't hurt your body much more than meth would.

Do youo even need to ask this question? Have you never heard of meth houses exploding? have you never seen a meth addict? I mean you are ingesting household chemicals basically. Of course its dangerous. This has to be the most ridiculous thread in a while.

Do I know any users? Absolutely - I mentioned exactly that in the post you quoted. Are they all twitching lumps of uncontrollable nerves? No. One has a steady job and family, another got clean without too much trouble. It hurts people, no doubt. But I didn't have enough information to conclude that it's necessarily evil until I posted the thread, that's all.

It's probably already here tbh, it's just nothing like as widespread in its usage as Ket and Coke.

Well that's good I guess. Though crack is undeniably destructive.

Apparently there were rust stains and other stains as well as some vapors that hadn't escaped, i guess. But one family moved into a house that was a former meth lab, and they started suffering from all sorts of stuff like lung problems, heart problems, etc. They had to burn it down, IIRC.

They had to burn it down? They couldn't just regularly demolish it? Seems like burning the place would cause the fumes to spread everywhere and put horrible smoke and ash pollution all over the area.

Speed is amusing but hardly the best use of money, meth I have never touched myself. I don't have any of the horror stories that some of the above have told, but everyone I know personally has used it regularly has screwed their lives up to a certain degree, petty crime like theft from work or friends to support their habit etc, both of which hey eventually lose of course, so unless being friendless and jobless appeals to you it doesn't seem like a meth addiction is great long term plan from my observations. Stick with e if you have a good source if you want a fun high or everyones favorite, LSD, if you want to go tripping

Here in New Zealand we call meth pure, or P for short, read this, it should amuse all!http://www.nzherald.co.nz/location/story.cfm?l_id=123&ObjectID=10127775

I'm living proof that a person can take Meth once in their life and never do it again. Like I said back on page 2, I took it once and I never have taken it since. I only tried it because I was curious. The trip was fun but the downing is the biggest turn off; you just feel like total shit because meth makes you completely elated; you feel like you're floating on a cloud so when you come down and the effects wear off, being sober feels like you've been hit a 18-wheeler.

I considered it a valuable experience. I know what meth does to me and I know what to expect. The downing is not worth the trip.

i agree with you,i had the same exsperiance with heroin.

i liken it to dancing with the devil dressed as elizabeth hurly.
with all drugs i have a meh attitude,i enjoy then walk away.but with heroin i just knew it was bad bad news.for me that is.
meth is a tricky thing,as is coke,but i tend to use drugs as tools.
if iam at a party and drinking,i will do a line of coke to perk me up so i dont become stupid drunk.
i did meth when i was younger,would not do it now cause i cant deal with the coming down part of it.
i just cant and do not want to deal with the crash.
back then i was a tad more resilient,not so much now.
i also did not have the responsibility of kids and could afford to go on 3 day tears out in the pines with my friends,come home to the parents and crash for 2 days.
obviously i cant do that now.

and again..i have seen close friends absolutely destroyed by it...my shadow when i was growing up is now in state prison for armed robbery to get money for meth,so it does impact community's,it has hurt him,his family,his friends,the victim,it is not victimless.addiction that is.

just my personal take,and i rarely do any drugs other then booze way to much,but meth and heroin are blights on society.

some may react differently,so i cant say,shit i do coke once in awhile in moderation and see no problem,others may have a different view.

also..the shit people are cooking that blows you up is crank as far as i am concerned,real crystal meth is made from p2p,not pcp(or the under the counter shit people use to make it..hell i have a list of the actual chemical compounds needed and where you can extract them from...yikes!),and is very rare,it is controlled by the mob and the bike gangs and is very hard to get,as p2p is a seriously controlled substance.
it is also a hell of lot less bad for you,and alot cleaner health and enviromentally wise then crank/meth.
big difference between the 2,but both will cause violent behaviour if your not carefull
i have seen friends basically go insane for no apparent reason on all forms of this shit.i suppose i should say if your not very exsperienced with drug use,or have any type of addictive behaviour,stay way far away from this shit,not much upside and a world of downside.

I'd just like to remind/inform people that meth isn't just a one sided horror. It can be legally obtained through a prescription under the name Desoxyn and is used to treat medical conditions, in fact, it is found to be one of the most effective ADHD, and narcolepsy treatments available. All the horror stories you heard about meth are generally with repeat high doses (several times that of medicinal use) of impure street meth. When it's used responsibly, it can be of great benefit to people who need it to function with their daily lifes.

I'd just like to remind/inform people that meth isn't just a one sided horror. It can be legally obtained through a prescription under the name Desoxyn and is used to treat medical conditions, in fact, it is found to be one of the most effective ADHD, and narcolepsy treatments available. All the horror stories you heard about meth are generally with repeat high doses (several times that of medicinal use) of impure street meth. When it's used responsibly, it can be of great benefit to people who need it to function with their daily lifes.


good point...kinda like x..the love drug prescribed a million times to couples by there therapist..just not in the dose kids use now.

i have to say that you raise an interesting point,that drugs that are bad for one person may help another.

looking back,and we are talking along time,i was sent by the courts to temple univerity for evaluation when i was 12(now they would just lock me up)pretty open minded judge.
i cant say i have been a model of good behaviour or i would not have had a judge have me evaluated when i was 12.
he saved my life but that is another topic.
the point is,i was basically out of control for who knows what reasons...my parents were wealthy and did everything known to man to help me..i was beyond help.
they tried giving me lithiem(sp) and some other stuff they had back then,none helped,only made me violently ill and pass out.

i started to self medicate,dont try this at home kids..lol...i was the most violent sociopath you ever met when i was young,i would just as soon stab you in the eye then say hello,i was convicted of a multitude of crimes before the age of 12,and that was unprecedented back then,if not for a loving family and a compassionate court..i would be a lifer.

long long story short,i started taking street drugs..big suprise,when the drugs did not work that they forced me to take,i was tripping in the woods when i was 17 one time,and had an...i dont know..something happened.
since that day i have compassion and a love of all things living.
the day before i would have killed you with no regrets,now i cant see an animal killed for food.
i cry at stupid commercials,but i will take being like this over the way i was.

i think but who knows,i had an advanced form of add or something similar,and i was frustrated with life or my life i guess.

if i did meth back in the day it would actually calm me...drugs have opposite affects on me for some reason.
i dont go to a doctor cause i know what they will say..you have this and take this,and i know it will just make me ill.

i self medicate with booze cause it actually makes me feel better,i am ok now when sober,not like when i was a kid,but life has away with pressure to crush you down,and for some reason booze helps me some..to keep from going nuts.

i have no idea why i am sharing this,maybe nowadays they have better drugs to help people like me,and i would not wish on anyone the way i was,and especially the guilt you get from understanding how you have behaved.

if drugs...any kind can help..then i am all for it..if i read your post correctly,you were saying that they treat adhd with amphetamines,if that is correct,i can say they helped me cause the had an opposite affect on me.

as for others....dont even mess with the stuff.

Do I know any users? Absolutely - I mentioned exactly that in the post you quoted. Are they all twitching lumps of uncontrollable nerves? No. One has a steady job and family, another got clean without too much trouble. It hurts people, no doubt. But I didn't have enough information to conclude that it's necessarily evil until I posted the thread, that's all.

Anything you can get addicted to can harm you. Meth is a step above that just because of the effects it has on your body.

Anything you can get addicted to can harm you. Meth is a step above that just because of the effects it has on your body.

I've pretty much come to that conclusion too - I was mainly just defending the question itself, there. It's not as if it was a shot in the dark, without any real purpose, like someone had suggested - I've observed a few people who were or are users and just wanted a broader set of cases to judge from. :)

for about 3 years, shortly before my body completely gave out I got court ordered rehab, I got high the night before check-in and had a heart attack....sucky stuff. I have been clean for a while now, but still have to deal with the after effects, and will continue to have to deal with it until I die (which will probably be sooner than I would have if I hadn't abused it so long)
Oh right... sorry to hear that :(

if drugs...any kind can help..then i am all for it..if i read your post correctly,you were saying that they treat adhd with amphetamines,if that is correct,i can say they helped me cause the had an opposite affect on me.

It doesn't actually have the opposite affect, what it does is it increases your focus and concentration (which are sorely lacking in ADD/ADHD). These effects are active at lower doses of amphetamines, below what is normally needed to cause euphoria.

It doesn't actually have the opposite affect, what it does is it increases your focus and concentration (which are sorely lacking in ADD/ADHD). These effects are active at lower doses of amphetamines, below what is normally needed to cause euphoria.

thanks,thats what i was wondering,i was not talking abuse,but of coarse i took it there.
i thought so,i knew it helped me in some way.....not condoning drud abuse here..just i think they did not know then what they know now.

my opinion on drugs in general:

anything that alters your state of mind is bad. it could be as "mild" as weed, or as extreme as heroine or opium (there is heroine in opium, yes, i know)

alchohol also is bad. well..... sure. i drink on the level of the occasional glass of red. who doesn't? as a matter of fact, having like.... a serving of beer per day can prevent heart diseases and things like that.

crystal meth just generally fucks people up. bad. i knew someone who was on it.... they tried to break down my door. and they succeeded. he had to be beaten unconscious or he would have broken me like my door.

that is my little summary of general things to do with drugs, and my cautionary attitude towards them :eek::eek::eek::eek:

anything that alters your state of mind is bad.
Strenuous exercise alters your state of mind.
Studying religious texts alters your state of mind.
Sleep alters your state of mind.
...?

Strenuous exercise alters your state of mind.
Studying religious texts alters your state of mind.
Sleep alters your state of mind.
...?

It does seem like an odd standard, that would likely include caffiene and other harmless things. The mind isn't too difficult to alter - it's long-term physical effects that would really discourage me from using a drug.

It does seem like an odd standard, that would likely include caffiene and other harmless things. The mind isn't too difficult to alter - it's long-term physical effects that would really discourage me from using a drug.
That's kinda where my standard is - any strong enough chemical to be popular and powerful enough to make me strongly physically addictive after the first hit - bad idea waiting to happen.
All the other ones, i recommend to people, so if nothing else, they have some good anecdotes.

Any drug where you're more likely to be blown up making it than you are trying to sell it, buy it or steal it is something I'd call Dangerous.

You don't hear anything about coke labs or pot farms spontaneously combusting now do you?

i saw a story about how houses that had pot farms in them are virtually unusable when they try to resell the houses. all of this toxic mold growing in the walls and shit.

Studying religious texts alters your state of mind.

exactly. that's why religion is bad for you.

ok lemme clarify. chemically induced changes of your state of mind are bad.

and i mean like you take drugs, not exercise and your brain chemistry changes.

It does seem like an odd standard, that would likely include caffiene and other harmless things. The mind isn't too difficult to alter - it's long-term physical effects that would really discourage me from using a drug.

caffeine is addictive. i'm pretty sure i'm addicted to it, actually. and i wouldn't go so far as to say that it is harmless. Caffeine stunts ones growth. not exactly harmful, but not harmless either.

caffeine is addictive. i'm pretty sure i'm addicted to it, actually. and i wouldn't go so far as to say that it is harmless. Caffeine stunts ones growth. not exactly harmful, but not harmless either.

Not particularly an issue when you've reached adulthood though. Its not great for your cardiovascular system though

*licks lips*

anything that alters your state of mind is bad. it could be as "mild" as weed, or as extreme as heroine or opium (there is heroine in opium, yes, i know)
Is that so?
Watch;
The hypothalamus is the reward centre of the brain, among other things. It is thought to be responsible (or complicit, at least) in drug addiction, eating disorders, and other addictions. What happens is this. You work out and feel thirsty, because the hypothalamus creates a desire for it, like the proverbial carrot. When you satiate that demand, your brain is flooded with dopamine. When you are hungry and eat a large meal, your brain doses you with dopamine. When you listen to a song and hear the tingle down your spine everyone knows so well, this is because a note progression was set up, with expectation for a certain note to complete the pattern. When the note is heard, the brain gives you dopamine. This happens for any need-reward pattern. Dopamine is the neurotransmitter that Cocaine acts on. Are you seriously telling me that smoking something is more inherently 'bad' (what a ridiculous term, by the way) than having a glass of water after a run, or any other need fulfilled?

No, there is not Heroin in Opium. Opium is extracted from opium poppies. It contains a multitude of painkillers, including morphine, at concentrations ranging from 10%-16%. When smoked, only about 25% of this morphine is bioavailable for absorption. Opium must first be concentrated to become Morphine, then further processed to become Heroin. Opium is by no means a drug to be treated trivially, but it is certainly safer than heroin. In the same way, Cocaine is extracted from the leaves of the Coca plant, which is in itself a harmless herb. It is used in much the same way as coffee (which, incidentally, causes palpitations and arrhythmias that other stimulants, such as qat, do not.) in South American cultures.


alchohol also is bad. well..... sure. i drink on the level of the occasional glass of red. who doesn't? as a matter of fact, having like.... a serving of beer per day can prevent heart diseases and things like that.
And THC has been shown to kill lung cancer cells. And LSD is one of the only alcoholism cures (not therapies) yet known. Of course, it cannot be studied further because it is illegal. Why is it illegal? look at all the money invested against it. The alcohol industries and tobacco industries, in particular, would be hit hard. Take my word for it, no one would start drinking above smoking a joint.


crystal meth just generally fucks people up. bad. i knew someone who was on it.... they tried to break down my door. and they succeeded. he had to be beaten unconscious or he would have broken me like my door.
No arguments there. I am only offended by people like you who insist 'drug use' = 'drug abuse', and clump all drugs together in the same grouping.
I missed something I intended to say, but fuck it.

Not particularly an issue when you've reached adulthood though. Its not great for your cardiovascular system though

That's probably true. Besides a few headaches for a couple days, I've quit caffeine without too much trouble in the pase, as well. :p

exactly. that's why religion is bad for you.That was SOOOOOOOOO the gimme. :D
Any more of a gimme and i would've said "sex" after putting on "strenuous exercise".

ok lemme clarify. chemically induced changes of your state of mind are bad.

and i mean like you take drugs, not exercise and your brain chemistry changes.That's the point, really, of taking anything other than strict dietary supplements or things of that nature.
Attitude itself is a state of mind.

And LSD is one of the only alcoholism cures (not therapies) yet known. Of course, it cannot be studied further because it is illegal. Why is it illegal? look at all the money invested against it. The alcohol industries and tobacco industries, in particular, would be hit hard. Take my word for it, no one would start drinking above smoking a joint.

LSD also helps as a cure for heroin addiction, according to a study I read about recently. I guess the number of Viet-Nam veterans who used heroin while overseas who continued use when returning to the U.S. was low, which gave researchers the idea - put people in an altered state and see if it will affect their habits. I guess it did. :p

Ah, yes, the other thing I was going to say was I think a significant part of our drug addiction problem is due to our ridiculous tendencies to push the envelope and extract and hyper-purify chemicals. The most dangerous drugs are Cocaine, Heroin, and Methamphetamine, all of which are synthetic or extracted to thousands of times the purity of the natural substance. Also, Prohibition doesn't work. The Netherlands is 7th place in terms of drug users, not first, despite the complete availability there. People there are actually able to make informed decisions about marijuana and other soft drugs there, much as we do about coffee.

LSD also helps as a cure for heroin addiction, according to a study I read about recently. I guess the number of Viet-Nam veterans who used heroin while overseas who continued use when returning to the U.S. was low, which gave researchers the idea - put people in an altered state and see if it will affect their habits. I guess it did. :p
Yes, and apparently it has an amazing relapse rate. It honestly removes the urge to drink, which is unheard of for any addiction. We don't cure addictions, we manage them.

Yes, and apparently it has an amazing relapse rate. It honestly removes the urge to drink, which is unheard of for any addiction. We don't cure addictions, we manage them.

I've never even met anyone who has used it, but LSD never seemed like a hard drug to me. After all, if Cary Grant can use it a thousand times and still make North by Northwest, who am I to judge? :p

*licks lips*

Is that so?
Watch;
The hypothalamus is the reward centre of the brain, among other things. It is thought to be responsible (or complicit, at least) in drug addiction, eating disorders, and other addictions. What happens is this. You work out and feel thirsty, because the hypothalamus creates a desire for it, like the proverbial carrot. When you satiate that demand, your brain is flooded with dopamine. When you are hungry and eat a large meal, your brain doses you with dopamine. When you listen to a song and hear the tingle down your spine everyone knows so well, this is because a note progression was set up, with expectation for a certain note to complete the pattern. When the note is heard, the brain gives you dopamine. This happens for any need-reward pattern. Dopamine is the neurotransmitter that Cocaine acts on. Are you seriously telling me that smoking something is more inherently 'bad' (what a ridiculous term, by the way) than having a glass of water after a run, or any other need fulfilled?

yes. smoking damages your lungs.

Oh yeah, another thing. DMT is naturally present in the body. It is thought to be responsible for the hallucinations and time dilation present during near-death experiences. I meant to include that, as well.

I am only offended by people like you who insist 'drug use' = 'drug abuse', and clump all drugs together in the same grouping.
I missed something I intended to say, but fuck it.


i thought it was self evident that that was not what i meant. i could say something really sardonic here, but I'm in a dip-lo-matic mood right now.

Not particularly an issue when you've reached adulthood though. Its not great for your cardiovascular system though

correct. but if you just drink, like, some coca-cola (i would normally say coke, but that would be confusing in this thread) it probably isn't gonna do much. more concern would lie with the amounts of sugar in such beverages.... but I don't know how MUCH more concern. i drink massive amounts of coca-cola, and probably am on the fast track to diabetes... but i have been on this "fast-track" for several years, and i can still get across Toronto in a couple of non-strenuous hours.

And eating causes intestinal cells to be sloughed off. Big fucking deal. The body is meant to take damage. I will refute in further depth when I get back, maybe a couple hours.




Interesting comparison

yes. smoking damages your lungs.
And eating causes intestinal cells to be sloughed off. Big fucking deal. The body is meant to take damage. I will refute in further depth when I get back, maybe a couple hours.

I've never even met anyone who has used it, but LSD never seemed like a hard drug to me. After all, if Cary Grant can use it a thousand times and still make North by Northwest, who am I to judge? :p
Not hard, per se.... but really intense. And so long lasting.
I'm too scared to try it at this point. I don't want to be stuck in a hellishly intense sixteen-hour introspective nightmare.

correct. but if you just drink, like, some coca-cola (i would normally say coke, but that would be confusing in this thread) it probably isn't gonna do much. more concern would lie with the amounts of sugar in such beverages....
Hah!:)

Interesting comparison
It is, isn't it? I'd never actually thought about it that way until this moment.

And eating causes intestinal cells to be sloughed off. Big fucking deal. The body is meant to take damage. I will refute in further depth when I get back, maybe a couple hours.

christ. of course the body is meant to take damage. that's how say... muscles develop after exercise. you damage them slightly, and the next time you sleep and your body is going about replenishing itself, your brain says: "oh gee! these muscles are being strained to a greater degree than normal! look at this damage!" and then they make them stronger. little by little, but over time.

inhaling carbon-dioxide in general(if you were to smoke a piece of harmless wood, for instance) is bad for you. but inhaling chemical fumes from, say, cigarettes or crystal meth, as it were, is even more so.

Interesting comparison

not really. kind of a stupid one.

Hah!:)


It is, isn't it? I'd never actually thought about it that way until this moment.

It wasn't exactly a compliment of the comparison

Tobacco smoke contains phenols, cyanates, polycyclic amines, nickel, etc as far as I remember which cause damage to the lungs by paralysing the cilia (allowing carcinogens to lie in contact with the lung for longer periods of time) and the alveolar macrophages. They inhibit alpha-1 antiproteases which tips the balance in favour of proteolysis resulting in the lung parenchyma being damaged which causes the development of emphysema. There is an increased mucus production in response to the irritant smoke leading to smokers cough, etc. It is a risk factor for atherosclerosis due to its effects on the components of Virchows Triad, etc.

The two examples cannot be compared

not really. kind of a stupid one.

Hence why I said interesting and not good

Well I'm generally an advocate for drug legalization, but I think I'd count meth among the drugs that are better left banned. It's highly addictive, and widespread distribution could lead to all sorts of problems.

i thought it was self evident that that was not what i meant. i could say something really sardonic here, but I'm in a dip-lo-matic mood right now.
Right... I'm supposed to take this:
my opinion on drugs in general:
anything that alters your state of mind is bad. it could be as "mild" as weed, or as extreme as heroine or opium (there is heroine in opium, yes, i know)
And this:

crystal meth just generally fucks people up. bad.
In conjunction to somehow understand you 'don't lump all drugs together as harmful'?:rolleyes:
christ. of course the body is meant to take damage. that's how say... muscles develop after exercise. you damage them slightly, and the next time you sleep and your body is going about replenishing itself, your brain says: "oh gee! these muscles are being strained to a greater degree than normal! look at this damage!" and then they make them stronger. little by little, but over time.

inhaling carbon-dioxide in general(if you were to smoke a piece of harmless wood, for instance) is bad for you. but inhaling chemical fumes from, say, cigarettes or crystal meth, as it were, is even more so.
Meth I will exclude because I have never claimed it to be anything other than an abomination. Inhaling Carbon Dioxide is not bad for you, unless you were to shut yourself up in a room full of it until you died, which would be stupid. Cocaine and other drugs you smoke, undoubtedly cause damage to the respiratory system, and injected drugs likely as well. But, other than tobacco, which is a known carcinogen, these drugs are no more harmful than our general environment, ie. The heavy metals, and pesticides we eat, the car exhaust we breath, the perfume we inhale. It is possible to vaporise (rather than burn) most drugs, which is harmless to the lungs. However, try going your whole life without inhaling car exhaust.
It wasn't exactly a compliment of the comparison
Oh, ok. :)

Look at the before and after pictures of meth addicts.

/fuckingthread

That could be said of addicts in general - it's the worst addicts who are constantly having their mugshots taken, regardless the drug. ;)

That could be said of addicts in general - it's the worst addicts who are constantly having their mugshots taken, regardless the drug. ;)

Good point.

Look at the before and after pictures of meth addicts.

/fuckingthread

Not hard, per se.... but really intense. And so long lasting.
I'm too scared to try it at this point. I don't want to be stuck in a hellishly intense sixteen-hour introspective nightmare.

That's always the risk - the infamous soul-destroying "bad trip." But with a friendly atmosphere and low stress, I think the odds of that decline. :p

That could be said of addicts in general - it's the worst addicts who are constantly having their mugshots taken, regardless the drug. ;)

I've seen mugshots of heroine, coke, meth, and crack addicts and meth definately does the most damage to the body. Ever hear of the term "meth mouth"?

That's always the risk - the infamous soul-destroying "bad trip." But with a friendly atmosphere and low stress, I think the odds of that decline. :p

Decline, but it happens a surprising amount. Some people take LSD with MDMA to reduce bad trips, but MDMA is one of the drugs I'll probably never touch, so that won't work. I think DMT is a better bet. Several thousands of times more intense, but it only lasts 30 minutes to an hour. You can take anything for that long.

I've seen mugshots of heroine, coke, meth, and crack addicts and meth definately does the most damage to the body. Ever hear of the term "meth mouth"?

I've heard about meth mouth of course, but it's supposedly due to the lack of saliva produced and the lack of fluids consumed while high - kind of like Extasy with dehydration - it's a bad thing, but not a necessary result of taking the drug. The drug obviously does bad things, but in ways other than what the ad campaigns point out, largely, it seems. :p I've seen drunks with broken noses from falling down, but that doesn't mean alcohol breaks your nose, etc. ;)

Decline, but it happens a surprising amount. Some people take LSD with MDMA to reduce bad trips, but MDMA is one of the drugs I'll probably never touch, so that won't work. I think DMT is a better bet. Several thousands of times more intense, but it only lasts 30 minutes to an hour. You can take anything for that long.

That's probably a good bet then. :)

I've seen mugshots of heroine, coke, meth, and crack addicts and meth definately does the most damage to the body. Ever hear of the term "meth mouth"?

http://www.mappsd.org/NewMM-8.jpg
http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/pubs/adanews/images/050818_closeup02.jpg
http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/web/1924_web.jpg
http://www.anti-meth.org/sitebuilder/images/crystal_meth_1-150x135.jpg

Not just Brits or inbreeding.

I've heard about meth mouth of course, but it's supposedly due to the lack of saliva produced and the lack of fluids consumed while high - kind of like Extasy with dehydration - it's a bad thing, but not a necessary result of taking the drug.

You take meth, you stop producing saliva.
You take Extasy, you overheat.

How is that not a result of the drug?

The drug obviously does bad things, but in ways other than what the ad campaigns point out, largely, it seems.

Meth addicts have been known to remain awake for weeks without a minute sleep. That alone causes massive brain damage. I'm not even going to go into liver damage.

:p I've seen drunks with broken noses from falling down, but that doesn't mean alcohol breaks your nose, etc. ;)

Terrible analogy.

You drink alcohol, your motor skills become impaired, which MAY lead to a fall.
You take meth, you stop producing saliva, which WILL erode your fucking teeth.

You take meth, you stop producing saliva.
You take Extasy, you overheat.

How is that not a result of the drug?

It's not a necessary result of the drug (meth mouth) because you can prevent it by drinking fluids. Same with Extasy - most users know the risk and drink water, problem solved.

Meth addicts have been known to remain awake for weeks without a minute sleep. That alone causes massive brain damage. I'm not even going to go into liver damage.

I never disputed this. ;)

quite. i was going to fetch an article from my biology class, but if i had, i just would've been repeating you.
I thought you'd disappeared...

Tobacco smoke contains phenols, cyanates, polycyclic amines, nickel, etc as far as I remember which cause damage to the lungs by paralysing the cilia (allowing carcinogens to lie in contact with the lung for longer periods of time) and the alveolar macrophages. They inhibit alpha-1 antiproteases which tips the balance in favour of proteolysis resulting in the lung parenchyma being damaged which causes the development of emphysema. There is an increased mucus production in response to the irritant smoke leading to smokers cough, etc. It is a risk factor for atherosclerosis due to its effects on the components of Virchows Triad, etc.

The two examples cannot be compared

quite. i was going to fetch an article from my biology class, but if i had, i just would've been repeating you.

Meth also suppresses appetite and thirst. Alcohol doesn't increase gravi...o wait. :D

I don't think Pete ever disagreed over the harm meth caused... did he? I think the consensus on that point has been pretty much unanimous.

It's not a necessary result of the drug (meth mouth) because you can prevent it by drinking fluids. Same with Extasy - most users know the risk and drink water, problem solved.

Meth also suppresses appetite and thirst. Alcohol doesn't increase gravi...o wait. :D

you can combat not producing saliva, by drinking water! Proper dental hygiene goes along way to prevent tooth damage like that. And ecstasy doesn't make you overheat, its mainly the fact that people on it are generally at clubs full of people and dancing and moving all night long and don't realize how hot they are getting.
Not true. That exaggerates it, because XTC is primarily a party drug. It does cause dehyrdation and hyperthermia, which, even if enough water is consumed, can result in water toxicity.
Source:
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA)

Meth I will exclude because I have never claimed it to be anything other than an abomination. Inhaling Carbon Dioxide is not bad for you, unless you were to shut yourself up in a room full of it until you died, which would be stupid. Cocaine and other drugs you smoke, undoubtedly cause damage to the respiratory system, and injected drugs likely as well. But, other than tobacco, which is a known carcinogen, these drugs are no more harmful than our general environment, ie. The heavy metals, and pesticides we eat, the car exhaust we breath, the perfume we inhale. It is possible to vaporise (rather than burn) most drugs, which is harmless to the lungs. However, try going your whole life without inhaling car exhaust.

no, you mean Carbon Dioxide isn't FATAL unless you were to shut yourself up in a room full of it until you died. and it would not necessarily be stupid. it has happened because of unforeseeable events

and now that you can think of things that are valid to compare to the harmful effects of meth, it makes your comparison of smoking to eating even less reasonable.

injected drugs cause veins to collapse. tobacco is more than a known carcinogen, but i believe there is a post about that elsewhere in this thread.
oh and yes they are. those things that you mentioned, with the possible exclusion of car exhaust, those things are taken in small-ish doses at a time.

but enough nit-picking

"drugs" i.e. those you would use recreationally, are large doses and not generally diluted to any great degree. that is why the average meth smoker is worse off than the average new yorker.

and now that you can think of things that are valid to compare to the harmful effects of meth, it makes your comparison of smoking to eating even less reasonable.

injected drugs cause veins to collapse. tobacco is more than a known carcinogen, but i believe there is a post about that elsewhere in this thread.
oh and yes they are. those things that you mentioned, with the possible exclusion of car exhaust, those things are taken in small-ish doses at a time.

"drugs" i.e. those you would use recreationally, are large doses and not generally diluted to any great degree. that is why the average meth smoker is worse off than the average new yorker.


There are plenty of drug users who use small doses and/or use them infrequently to allow their body time to recover from the experience. Not every user binges on high doses for days, those are just the ones that receive the most attention to scare people.

and now that you can think of things that are valid to compare to the harmful effects of meth, it makes your comparison of smoking to eating even less reasonable.

injected drugs cause veins to collapse. tobacco is more than a known carcinogen, but i believe there is a post about that elsewhere in this thread.
oh and yes they are. those things that you mentioned, with the possible exclusion of car exhaust, those things are taken in small-ish doses at a time.

"drugs" i.e. those you would use recreationally, are large doses and not generally diluted to any great degree. that is why the average meth smoker is worse off than the average new yorker.

'Smallish' doses at a time over an entire lifetime, versus 'Largish doses' over short periods? You also failed to address vaporisation. Any drug that can be smoked or injected can also be vaporised. You have also consistently ignored other points I have made throughout the thread. Also, you insist on bringing Meth into our argument! I have stated innumerable times I think it is harmful. Enough of the fucking straw man - you are attempting to pigeonhole me into a box with meth, and having me defend it. I will have none of it. Answer all my points, and stop using logical fallacies.

Not very many threads, it appears, seem to escape the circumstance of coming to blows.
I really didn't expect it on this one, though. :(

There are plenty of drug users who use small doses and/or use them infrequently to allow their body time to recover from the experience. Not every user binges on high doses for days, those are just the ones that receive the most attention to scare people.

I've NEVER met a recreational heroine addict, and my sister OD'ed on that shit.

Eventually you build a tolerance to whatever you're taking, and you require more of it to get high, so yes you WILL eventually binge on it.

I've NEVER met a recreational heroine addict, and my sister OD'ed on that shit.

Eventually you build a tolerance to whatever you're taking, and you require more of it to get high, so yes you WILL eventually binge on it.

Addiction ? recreational

If you give yourself enough time between uses, you can prevent tolerance from building, and you're also letting your body recover. Just because someone uses a drug does not mean they will go an abuse it.

no, you mean Carbon Dioxide isn't FATAL unless you were to shut yourself up in a room full of it until you died. and it would not necessarily be stupid. it has happened because of unforeseeable events


No, I mean exactly what I said. Carbon Dioxide enters the blood stream, and then leaves it. Any dose large enough to kill you results from extenuating circumstances - and the very fact you are even introducing such shows how weak your argument is. Yes, Carbon Dioxide as a result of a house fire or such can kill, and yes, as logically follows, a person trapped in a burning house full of burning smoke or any other such bizarre circumstance would likely die. You haven't proved anything.

Also, you insist on bringing Meth into our argument!

Take a look at the title of the thread genius.

That there is what I like to call a topic.

It would appear that Meth isn't just harmless fun, per OP.

Take a look at the title of the thread genius.

That there is what I like to call a topic.
Take a look at what we're arguing about. If you want to call the argument done based on being off topic, so be it. But meth has no place in this argument. We both have stated we are against it. But he insists on trying to trip me with it. Besides, this is a debate forum, and there is no debate happening about meth, so there is nothing wrong with extrapolating to a slightly different subject.

It would appear that Meth isn't just harmless fun, per OP.

it would be easier if people didn't put so much emotion into the argument, people seem to think that if they do something it automatically makes it right.

Not debating what's right or wrong, if you were going to classify things into harmless, neutral, or harmful, meth would definitely be in the harmful column. The question as to whether or not people should be legally allowed to harm themselves is out of the scope of this thread I believe.

it would be easier if people didn't put so much emotion into the argument, people seem to think that if they do something it automatically makes it right.
Well, experience quantifies facts (or appearance of such), quantifies knowledge (*), quantifies opinion, and if you only do things one way .....

Just kinda weird that people are getting pissed at each other about this. :(

'Smallish' doses at a time over an entire lifetime, versus 'Largish doses' over short periods? You also failed to address vaporisation. Any drug that can be smoked or injected can also be vaporised. You have also consistently ignored other points I have made throughout the thread. Also, you insist on bringing Meth into our argument! I have stated innumerable times I think it is harmful. Enough of the fucking straw man - you are attempting to pigeonhole me into a box with meth, and having me defend it. I will have none of it. Answer all my points, and stop using logical fallacies.

here's an idea. perhaps i used "Meth" as an example because it was the first thing that i could think of off of the top of my head (besides cigarettes and weed) that you smoke. I WONDER WHY?

it was a fucking example.

aw look. now i'm all mad and shit.

here's an idea. perhaps i used "Meth" as an example because it was the first thing that i could think of off of the top of my head (besides cigarettes and weed) that you smoke. I WONDER WHY?

it was a fucking example.

aw look. now i'm all mad an dshit.

Fine... well, since people seem to think we're out of line, want to call an end?

Besides, this is a debate forum, and there is no debate happening about meth, so there is nothing wrong with extrapolating to a slightly different subject.
quite right about that, at least.

i mean if you want to compare smoking to eating.... SURE! GREAT ARGUMENT!

just can't get over that one.... sorry

^^^^

Fine... well, since people seem to think we're out of line, want to call an end?

That's pretty cool of you, actually. *bows*

i mean if you want to compare smoking to eating.... SURE! GREAT ARGUMENT!

just can't get over that one.... sorry

That's pretty cool of you, actually. *bows*
Thanks... :(

It would appear that Meth isn't just harmless fun, per OP.

The poll probably bears that out, too. ;)

Fine... well, since people seem to think we're out of line, want to call an end?

NEVER SURRENDER!!!!!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!

yeah. bite this argument. we're both right and wrong. there were two people in an argument about communism in my English class once. they sounded like us :( it was quite ridiculous.

NEVER SURRENDER!!!!!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!

yeah. bite this argument. we're both right and wrong. there were two people in an argument about communism in my English class once. they sounded like us :( it was quite ridiculous.
Pretty cool of you as well. :)
*bows*

Dammit! I hit the "I haven't used it and don't think it's dangerous" instead of the "I think it's dangerous" by mistake!

Apparently Portland, Oregon has a terrible meth problem. I'm glad I didn't see any meth addicts myself (I stayed out of downtown at night) cause I heard they pick at themselves and make awful wounds all over their bodies.

I live in Portland, and I can tell you, it is a big problem. I have several (Former) friends who have used and still used meth, and watched it tear their lives apart. I am talking successful people with families turning into criminals stealing the siding off bridges so they can buy their next hit. Meth provides more of a hit than crack and heroin, and it is dirt cheap, and hard to control.

Every other week there is a news story about a meth lab being busted, and kids being found inside the areas where they make it.

Dammit! I hit the "I haven't used it and don't think it's dangerous" instead of the "I think it's dangerous" by mistake!

Don't worry - the poll results are pretty clear regardless. :p

Just kinda weird that people are getting pissed at each other about this. :(

i get seriously pissed off in all arguments. that's how i show that i am into it.

if my arguments are bad, it is because i really only argue with the sheep in my English and Civics classes. I've got to participate here more.

Dammit! I hit the "I haven't used it and don't think it's dangerous" instead of the "I think it's dangerous" by mistake!

now we know where the one vote in the most retarded option came from :):)

**EDIT: oh wait. never mind

Methamphetamine's addictive potential is largely effected by how one consumes it. Smoking or injecting will make one more likely to become addicted then snorting or taking pills. If you're taking it as for medical reasons(ADD, narcolepsy) and supervised by professionals you're less likely to have problems then if you're smoking it to stay up and fuck all weekend.

Crystal methamphetamine is a preperation of methamphetamine, whereas meth itself is much less dangerous. "Ice" is fucked. Meth like MDMA (Methyldioxymethamphetamine, ecstacy) however, is wayyy safer. The government is definitely fucking lying about that. I love it, will always love it, and no, it's not hard to quit unless you just take things overboard :P

I'm a hippie, I'm a pothead, and I love to trip. But I know better than to take Meth. :p

See, I have this thing about combustible chemicals. I don't put them inside of me.

You don't put oxygen inside you?

You don't put oxygen inside you?

Ah, forgot about that one. :p

You don't put oxygen inside you?


lol...thank you..i just spit beer on my keyboatrd..that was priceless.:fluffle:

There are plenty of drug users who use small doses and/or use them infrequently to allow their body time to recover from the experience. Not every user binges on high doses for days, those are just the ones that receive the most attention to scare people.

ummm what you said

lol...thank you..i just spit beer on my keyboatrd..that was priceless.:fluffle:

*bows*

Thank you, thank you. :D

ummm what you said

Pretty much. Too bad the government doesn't like to level with us in its ad campaigns, instead exploiting our vanity with meth-mouth. :p Although it makes sense - most people probably care more about their external appearance than whether their heart's about to explode. :p

it would be easier if people didn't put so much emotion into the argument, people seem to think that if they do something it automatically makes it right.

Not debating what's right or wrong, if you were going to classify things into harmless, neutral, or harmful, meth would definitely be in the harmful column. The question as to whether or not people should be legally allowed to harm themselves is out of the scope of this thread I believe.

pretty accurate assessment of the situation,but i would like to add..the debate was not if it was legal or not,it was is it harmful,i have done it and as i tried to say...it helped me and hurt me..so the jury is out...but i would lean in the thought it is bad for you from lifes exsperiance,and seeing my friends go to shit.
and someone wrote about smoking it..never did that..so i cant say,but i did shoot the shit,to get ready for the weekend....but the was long ago,i cant say that their argument has any veracity,asi stopped on my own and i think i mentioned i am a tad different when it comes to drugs.
do i suggest you go boot some ice..hell know...probably the worst thing you will ever do,just saying everyone is different.

Pretty much. Too bad the government doesn't like to level with us in its ad campaigns, instead exploiting our vanity with meth-mouth. :p Although it makes sense - most people probably care more about their external appearance than whether their heart's about to explode. :p

true and not true..i seen a friend almost die on my doorstep from a heroin od,and this guy was pimp...stocky and good looking...people have problems,,we gave him a shot to the heart and it did not work,then we put him on the train tracks so he would get run over....but security people found him and to this day is alive and well....go figure....and he is clean..but i will never forget when he did the header on heroin off my porch and i told my friends..get him outta here now!
people either wake up to how they are losing or they dont...

You don't put oxygen inside you?

...Do you want some?
*pimps*
:D

true and not true..i seen a friend die on my doorstep from a heroin od,and this guy was pimp...stocky and good looking...people have problems,,we gave him a shot to the heart and it did not work,then we put him on the train tracks so he would get run over....but security people found him and to this day is alive and well....go figure....and he is clean..but i will never forget when he did the header on heroin off my porch and i told my friends..get him outta here now!
people either wake up to how they are losing or they dont...

I know most people don't have a death wish - it's just the ad campaigns that seem to imply it, focusing on how you look while using drugs rather than what it's doing to your innards. ;)

true and not true..i seen a friend die on my doorstep from a heroin od,and this guy was pimp...stocky and good looking...people have problems,,we gave him a shot to the heart and it did not work,then we put him on the train tracks so he would get run over....but security people found him and to this day is alive and well....go figure....and he is clean..but i will never forget when he did the header on heroin off my porch and i told my friends..get him outta here now!
people either wake up to how they are losing or they dont...

Wait... why'd you put him on train tracks? :confused:

i get seriously pissed off in all arguments. that's how i show that i am into it.

if my arguments are bad, it is because i really only argue with the sheep in my English and Civics classes. I've got to participate here more.

Ah no worries, at least, don't worry about my sensitivities. I hadn't expected this particular thread nature to turn that way, and that's my fault for thinking it.

Wait... why'd you put him on train tracks? :confused:

Presumably to destroy the evidence. I think.

someone OD's on your property the cops come looking for your stash.

Well, yeah, obviously. I can understand taking him off your property... but why the train tracks?

Presumably to destroy the evidence. I think.

How disturbing...

Wait... why'd you put him on train tracks? :confused:

someone OD's on your property the cops come looking for your stash.

Well, yeah, obviously. I can understand taking him off your property... but why the train tracks?

if someone gets run over by a train, there really isn't much point in looking into why they died, if someone over doses elsewhere cops ask questions.

true and not true..i seen a friend almost die on my doorstep from a heroin od,and this guy was pimp...stocky and good looking...people have problems,,we gave him a shot to the heart and it did not work,then we put him on the train tracks so he would get run over....but security people found him and to this day is alive and well....go figure....and he is clean..but i will never forget when he did the header on heroin off my porch and i told my friends..get him outta here now!
people either wake up to how they are losing or they dont...

Holy shit! LOL

Glad the dude is doing alright now.

someone OD's on your property the cops come looking for your stash.

something like that,but it came out horribly wrong.

he was a decent fellow,an acquaintence if you will.we tried to revive him..but to no avail...then we tried to put his heavy limp ass in my friends truck to take to the hospital.
ever try to carry an unconscious person?
my kids were in the house and were daddy..whats going on?
and this fucker od'd on my front porch,i knew him and liked him..but still...thats kinda shitty to do a bag full of dope then od in front of my kids and my neighbors.
so i said get him out of here..i tried to put him in the truck and send them on there way...and yes we had drugs around so in responce i did not want cops there..
i tried to help and at the same time keep my kids from seeing this nightmare.
but whose fault is it really?
i knew the guy and he comes to my house and falls down the steps od'ing...it was funny at first,his guitar clanging and breaking on the sidewalk,then i see he is convulsing,so what should i do.i tell my kids to go inside,and then try to put him in the truck..the neighbors are all looking..so i said get rid of him...my friend took it as "get rid of him"
not my intent..but they layed him out on the trqin traqks so he would get chopped up....not my intent..i just wanted the problem gone..
luckily the security people found him and gave him a shot of adrenaline to the heart..i guess we missed..lol...but he is alive and well,and we are friends to this day.

I know most people don't have a death wish - it's just the ad campaigns that seem to imply it, focusing on how you look while using drugs rather than what it's doing to your innards. ;)


Yeah that bothers me too. I watched a special on A&E about meth. And part of it dealt with the anti-drug campaigns .. commercials etc. Like the "This is your brain (egg) ...this is your brain on meth (Smashes the egg and everything in the kitchen with a cast iron skillet)". They did a study on high school students and found those commercials weren't taken seriously. And why should they be? It's stupid. I mean c'mon .. if they wanted to .. they could do much better than that crap. So young people seeing pictures of how shitty it might make them look after using it for 6 months probably does have more of an impact than the other stuff out here now.



I'm rolling reading your post Secret aj man. LOL - You are a trip, very open and honest. Of course if the guy wasn't alive, well and clean I know it'd be different. But he is. So ..funny as hell.

Yeah that bothers me too. I watched a special on A&E about meth. And part of it dealt with the anti-drug campaigns .. commercials etc. Like the "This is your brain (egg) ...this is your brain on meth (Smashes the egg and everything in the kitchen with a cast iron skillet)". They did a study on high school students and found those commercials weren't taken seriously. And why should they be? It's stupid. I mean c'mon .. if they wanted to .. they could do much better than that crap. So young people seeing pictures of how shitty it might make them look after using it for 6 months probably does have more of an impact than the other stuff out here now.



I'm rolling reading your post Secret aj man. LOL - You are a trip, very open and honest. Of course if the guy wasn't alive, well and clean I know it'd be different. But he is. So ..funny as hell.


ever see a before and after pic of a meth head..pretty sobering to me.

and i am glad i amuse you...it is nice that someone reads my inane posts..ty

i dont mean it in a bad way..but trust me,i aint taken too seriously here...so be fore warned.
i have had mad exsperiance in life,and i can and will always extend my hand.

Oh yeah saw some from a link in this thread actually.. which lead me to look for more. Some were unbelievable changes. On one of the 10 mug shot pics I thought the above 5 were a different lady then the below five. Then I realized it was the same woman. I was seriously shocked. I feel for anyone dealing with an addiction like that. It would be a living hell.

Oh yeah saw some from a link in this thread actually.. which lead me to look for more. Some were unbelievable changes. On one of the 10 mug shot pics I thought the above 5 were a different lady then the below five. Then I realized it was the same woman. I was seriously shocked. I feel for anyone dealing with an addiction like that. It would be a living hell.

i bet your a caring person,but please you dont know me.

you have probably seen waht i see every day,and i aint a cop...i try to help people.

i bet your a caring person,but please you dont know me.

I wasn't talking about you. I meant the photos of the people I saw and in general. What are you talking about?

I wasn't talking about you. I meant the photos of the people I saw and in general. What are you talking about?


lol..i bet you saw the pics of meth heads and how they turn to dust overnight.
good thing to show our kids what not to do.
and i was being a wiseass,sorry..just messin with you a bit.

you seem likie a great person and if i offended..i am sorry.

luckily the security people found him and gave him a shot of adrenaline to the heart..i guess we missed..lol...but he is alive and well,and we are friends to this day.

When someone overdoses on heroin or other opioids what they need is a shot of opioid antagonists anywhere, and not the scene from Pulp Fiction.

When someone overdoses on heroin or other opioids what they need is a shot of opioid antagonists anywhere, and not the scene from Pulp Fiction.

i am not going to argue with you,but the guys in the ambuylance gave him a shot...we tyried to give him our own version..ala pulp fiction...but the guys in the ambulance gave him some type of adrenakine,,cause he came back to my house all juiced the fuck up..my ex was drooling all over him...i went to bed.

i am not going to argue with you,but the guys in the ambuylance gave him a shot...we tyried to give him our own version..ala pulp fiction...but the guys in the ambulance gave him some type of adrenakine,,cause he came back to my house all juiced the fuck up..my ex was drooling all over him...i went to bed.

I think it would have been nalaxone (sp?) they would use