NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok, so as you all know, America health care system is probably one of the best in the world, but it's expensive as hell, mainly because for people like me, not only are we paying for our private health care but also paying for Medicare/Medicaid in taxes. Sooner or later the health care system is going to have to go either full private or full public.

Now if we go full private, there will be alot of people who can't afford it and well they will die or go broke trying to pay for the bills and really to be honest, I don't know if the private sector can handle this, I mean there aren't low cost private health insurance NOW so should we really expect it if the health care system go full private?

If the system go full public, then it's going to be an increase 10% in taxes, which alot of Americans are balking at, because well, like me, we hate to have our taxes raised, we hate having the government take more and more money out of our pocket and paycheck etc. So, after talking to my mom (who is an administrator for Hospice in the area), I think I got a way for America to get full public health care, and keep the don't raise our taxes people happy.

Basically my idea is this.

1. This is Basic Health Care, which means we'll pay for anything that you need to keep you alive, and well, but that's pretty much it. All cosmetic or non-essential items/procedure/surgery will not be funded by the system.

2. Before the system go full public, we pass the Fair Tax Plan, which will ease the burden of the current tax system on the taxpayers.

3. THEN have the health service go full public in the USA.

The Conservative/Libertarian/Republican will get their Fair Tax Plan put into place, and the others will get a NHS in America, which I think is a fair compromise.

What do you guys think?

i dont want either a flat tax or an NHS-america.

Ok, once again Fair Tax =/= (that means NOT) Flat Tax.

i dont want either a flat tax or an NHS-america.

Though an advocate of fully privatised healthcare myself, provided the state regukated prices, and raised the minimum wage, so as to allow the poor and elderly to recieve healthcare, the composite system proposed seems acceptable.

i dont want either a flat tax or an NHS-america.

Ditto. Expand medicare if it's necessary - we don't need a new megabureaucracy that will probably spend what we currently pay as a nation just in operating costs. I say "no, thanks" to that.

its like some kind of horrible nightmare where both conservative and socialists lose!

also I'd like to know where you pulled this 10% figure from seeing as how it saves the government money and all

"2. Before the system go full public, we pass the Fair Tax Plan, which will ease the burden of the current tax system on the taxpayers."

I'm sorry, what? That kinda blindsided me there.


Incidentally, I'm curious as to how this....fair tax idea creates money somehow?

...and keep the don't raise our taxes people happy.

Are they related to those NIMBY bastards? We're particularly concerned about these folks?

its like some kind of horrible nightmare where both conservative and socialists lose!

also I'd like to know where you pulled this 10% figure from seeing as how it saves the government money and all

it cant save the government money since it involves expanding the governments spending on health care.

in theory (bullshit) it will save the citizens money because it will remove the profit now going to private health insurance, doctors and medical facilities.

Or, y'know, we go along with the majority of Americans who are willing to pay more taxes for universal health care, and ignore the regressive "Fair" tax. We already pay to "keep people alive" and we lose so much money on it because we aren't paying for preventative care.

it cant save the government money since it involves expanding the governments spending on health care.

and thus saving what it pays on emergency operations (which if you can't afford to go to the doctor about your heart) happens, sick leave etc

in theory (bullshit) it will save the citizens money

in theory as in everyone else does it?

Or, y'know, we go along with the majority of Americans who are willing to pay more taxes for universal health care, and ignore the regressive "Fair" tax. We already pay to "keep people alive" and we lose so much money on it because we aren't paying for preventative care.

Never try to justify anything by suggesting that democratic consensus renders it "right". It rarely does.

Ok, so as you all know, America health care system is probably one of the best in the world

lol

, but it's expensive as hell, mainly because for people like me, not only are we paying for our private health care but also paying for Medicare/Medicaid in taxes.

Medicare is 1.45%. In terms of tax dollars or percentage of overall tax paid by average americans, that's nothing. We pay far, far, far more for defense, but since that's in FICA instead of having it's own section no one seems to mind so much.

So here we have long complaints about a 1.45% medicare tax but that half-trillion dollars to kill Iraqis? Oh, nevermind that there, it's public health care that's the evil bit!