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http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2104310,00.html

So, a terrorist organization now has full control of the Gaza strip. How will the world respond? How will Israel respond?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2104310,00.html

So, a terrorist organization now has full control of the Gaza strip. How will the world respond? How will Israel respond?

Much the same way they have before, because really its up to America, and imagination there is lacking.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2104310,00.html

So, a terrorist organization now has full control of the Gaza strip. How will the world respond? How will Israel respond?

It was either one terrorist organization or another terrorist organization. I will react by having a Diet Coke.

Much the same way they have before, because really its up to America, and imagination there is lacking.

That I have to agree with. But they're a non-factor in the short run anyhow, and so is the so called "Quartet", which hasn't the will to pursue this issue. That doesn't mean Israel will wait for them to act.

How will Israel respond?
By going in a huff.

That I have to agree with. But they're a non-factor in the short run anyhow, and so is the so called "Quartet", which hasn't the will to pursue this issue. That doesn't mean Israel will wait for them to act.

They have the will, but again, the imagination is lacking. "Only" an embargo...

The Palestinians are fucked (well, more fucked than they were before).

Israel won't do anything immediately. The instant Qassams are fired, there will be hell to pay and rightfully so.

If Hamas doesn't fire Qassams, then Israel won't get involved. Israel has already publicly stated they want no part in it. They have asked the UN to intervene.

Now what the takeover means is that the Palestinians are split into two separate entities with two separate governments. Hamas has Gaza and Fatah has the West Bank.

The two entities won't recognize each other's government and they will be independent of each other.

Much the same way they have before, because really its up to America, and imagination there is lacking.

If Hamas declared themselves to be anti-communist that would really confuse matters: the US wouldn't know whether to fund them or bomb them.

Like Jon Stewart said, seems we now need a Three State solution.

Israel won't do anything immediately. The instant Qassams are fired, there will be hell to pay and rightfully so.

I doubt they'll do anything direct, but it wouldn't surprise me if they funded anti-Hamas groups in Gaza.

By going in a huff.

That is so adorable.

I doubt they'll do anything direct, but it wouldn't surprise me if they funded anti-Hamas groups in Gaza.

You mean more than they are at the moment, given the money thats been supplied to Fatah.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1578039,00.html


But they're a non-factor in the short run anyhow, and so is the so called "Quartet", which hasn't the will to pursue this issue. That doesn't mean Israel will wait for them to act..

Everything the US does is counterproductive - destructive, but counterproductive. This started with them telling Barghouti that if he ran as an alternative Fatah candidate to Abbas and won, they would not deal with him. Abbas thus won the presidency, paving the way for Hamas to win the parliamentary elections.

The quartet is a joke, as again the US is the predominant influence.

As for the Israelis - they control all access to Gaza, and have it under constant intense and advanced surveillance. Why would they bother going in? The worst thing that can come out of there is an overgrown firecracker. They'll just continue building in the West Bank.

If Hamas declared themselves to be anti-communist that would really confuse matters: the US wouldn't know whether to fund them or bomb them.

Remembering Iran-Iraq and Iran contra, plus the 'bleeding heart liberals' which can apparently still be found on occassion in the state department, its entirely possible that they can fund, bomb, genuinely sympathise with and condemn all at the same time.

That is so adorable.
It's cuter when Ehud Olmert makes puppy-dog eyes at you.

Remembering Iran-Iraq and Iran contra, plus the 'bleeding heart liberals' which can apparently still be found on occassion in the state department, its entirely possible that they can fund, bomb, genuinely sympathise with and condemn all at the same time.

And that way everyone's happy. :)

It's cuter when Ehud Olmert makes puppy-dog eyes at you.

Not even OcceanDrive could sustain that level of cuteness!

Not even OcceanDrive could sustain that level of cuteness!
:p

Not many can.

Not while screaming about Zionist conspiracies they can't.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2104310,00.html

So, a terrorist organization now has full control of the Gaza strip. How will the world respond? I will react by having an iced 7upyourz ;)

Not even OcceanDrive could sustain that level of cuteness!:p

Not many can.

Not while screaming about Zionist conspiracies they can't.LOL..

You guys are killing me. :p

I will react by having an iced 7upyourz ;)
:p

Edgy!

(I haven't had a 7up in aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages.)

:p

Edgy!

(I haven't had a 7up in aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages.)enjoy.. my treat :D

isn't hamas the majority party anyway? so really they should be in charge. i know they're distinctly unpopular with everyone else but they were elected democratically, weren't they?

isn't hamas the majority party anyway? so really they should be in charge. i know they're distinctly unpopular with everyone else but they were elected democratically, weren't they?that too many pragmatic facts inside one lone thread. Its going to hurt the Eyes of the Anti-arab posters ;)
Of course you are right.

We still have the options of just wiping out the entire Middle East and just turning it into the world's biggest Wal-Mart.

isn't hamas the majority party anyway? so really they should be in charge. i know they're distinctly unpopular with everyone else but they were elected democratically, weren't they?
But democratically elected governments are only legitimate if they support the West, silly.

While most 20th century civil wars were between a left, mostly socialist, side and an extreme right wing side (like civil war in russia, spain, etc..) it seems civil wars in the 21th century are gonna be between Religious fanatics and right wing nationalist extremists.
Hamas and Fatah fighting is basiclly like saying Osama BinLadin VS Moussilini

While most 20th century civil wars were between a left, mostly socialist, side and an extreme right wing side (like civil war in russia, spain, etc..) it seems civil wars in the 21th century are gonna be between Religious fanatics and right wing nationalist extremists.
Hamas and Fatah fighting is basiclly like saying Osama BinLadin VS Moussilini

Hamas are nothing like Al Qaeda. Having a position that says "We want the right to govern ourselves" is not right wing extremism, nationalist or otherwise.

They are the "Kill the Infidels! Let non-believers burn in hell" kind of people
They are someplace between Iran and Al-Quida, yes they are that extreme
The desire for self-government doesnt contradict extremism

They are the "Kill the Infidels! Let non-believers burn in hell" kind of people
They are someplace between Iran and Al-Quida, yes they are that extreme
The desire for self-government doesnt contradict extremismAren't they more like the "Kill the Israelis! Let Jews burn in hell" kind of people?

No sir, even nowdays when they fight against Fatah- Hamas are using the methodology of calling Fatah "Inifidels" and "Enemies of Islam"
I remind you that last year there was a failed terrorist attack attempt in Canada, when asked "Why Canada? They are not in any muslim nation nor have a side in any of those conflicts" , Hamas officials said "Because no government is legitimate but an Islamic government"

I oppose Hamas in every way possible, I think they will do no good for the Palestinians, they will just shoot more rockets at Israel and get bombed, the Fatah/PLO alliance has been fighting the regime occupying Jerusalem for decades, and then some crazy religious sect gets elected and screws everything up. Being Fatah is not being pro-West or subservient to America, it is building up Palestine and creating a Palestinian state that can be equal with Israel and the world, with strong trade and an economy, without civil strife, to concentrate peacefully at first in stopping the creeping tide of settler imperialism in the West Bank and the endless Israeli bombings, to have Jerusalem as the capital and peace in the region. Fatah/PLO, and especially Arafat, have been working towards it, and hamas has screwed it all up, Fatah fights - but it fight smart. God I hope hamas don't annex the West Bank, it will be the end for the Palestinian people if they do.

Who would have thought electing terrorists to run a government could cause all this grief...

I believe that this is all a result of an ingenious Israli plot or insidious Iranian one.

For the Isralis it is a matter of divide and conquer. Now their enemy is essentially isolated. Israel can address the more reasonable palestinians and eventually develop a more positive relationship with them. Meanwhile they also will respond with force against Hamas if required and it will no longer have the same effect - if not opposite - on their relations with Fatah as it once did. So long as Hamas and Fatah are fighting one another they cannot expend the same energy fighting Israel. We've already seen the loosening of aid for Fatah from the international community. Hamas is screwed.

However - Iran wants nothing more than a war against Israel. We also know that Iran funds Hamas. They may decide to expand their reach next into Lebanon. They may claim Hamas Palestine to be their own territory then use that as an excuse to 'respond' to an Israli attack. That could easily expand into a nuclear exchange and/or even a third world war...

Who would have thought electing terrorists to run a government could cause all this grief...You are talking about the Iraqi's grief and the Americans electing their current government, aren't you?

You are talking about the Iraqi's grief and the Americans electing their current government, aren't you?
I like the way you think. :lol:

Let them fight it out, and when the dust settles, open diplomatic relations with whomever's left. Interfering with governments never works.

You are talking about the Iraqi's grief and the Americans electing their current government, aren't you?

talk about a desperate reach to make an irrelevant point. Makes me feel more sorry for you than anyone else.

talk about a desperate reach to make an irrelevant point. Makes me feel more sorry for you than anyone else.You know, when pointing fingers at others and calling them terrorists one should not forget who really creates terror and for what reasons. Hamas at least fights for something while the US invasion of Iraq was just for a president's private fun.

You know, when pointing fingers at others and calling them terrorists one should not forget who really creates terror and for what reasons. Hamas at least fights for something while the US invasion of Iraq was just for a president's private fun.

My you are bitter person. It must be miserable to live with such bitterness. I really do feel sorry for you.

My you are bitter person. It must be miserable to live with such bitterness. I really do feel sorry for you.Save your sorry for christians.

My you are bitter person. It must be miserable to live with such bitterness. I really do feel sorry for you.

Looked like a fair enough comment to me. Iraq was a pointless escapade while Hamas want to end an occupation.

My you are bitter person. It must be miserable to live with such bitterness. I really do feel sorry for you.LOL
this Mystical Skeptic is ridicule.

When he dont know what else to say.. he says things like.. "such bitterness"..."you are a bitter person"... "Bitterness will devour you" :D

and he closes his "bitterness" charades with "I feel sorry for you." :p
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12777188&postcount=31

I ve seen pathetic.. but this Mystical Skeptic guy is a total loser.
and his sig is so telling "If you have a job thank a capitalist." :D

Why has this thread degenerated into a mud fight?

Why has this thread degenerated into a mud fight?
because of the abundance of mud

Israel shouldn't be getting involved. All of its previous meddling in Palestinian governance has ended in disaster. Funding islamists instead of terrorists, bringing arafat back, now funding fatah instead of the islamists that turned into terrorists...it just needs to stop. Israel can't complain that they have nobody to talk to (although...they often truly don't) when they are continuously meddling with the politics.

...mud fight?ok :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kno2C8nSJok&mode=related&search=

Why has this thread degenerated into a mud fight?

because of the abundance of mud

LMAO!!! :D

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2104310,00.html

So, a terrorist organization now has full control of the Gaza strip. How will the world respond? How will Israel respond? High yield explosives.

How will Israel respond?As they always respond? With bulldozing more Palestinian homes while the world focuses elsewhere?

It mean Hamas fought better than Fatah and won territory.

It mean Hamas fought better than Fatah and won territory.

As is proper.

Jesus Christ, you claim to be one with your Muslims brothers and this is how you show sympathy to a portion of that brotherhood torn apart by civil war, with some dismissive "might makes right" bullshit?

As is proper.

Jesus Christ, you claim to be one with your Muslims brothers and this is how you show sympathy to a portion of that brotherhood torn apart by civil war, with some dismissive "might makes right" bullshit?

Ok...

A. Simmer down
2. All I was doing was stating the obvious as a semi-attempt at humour. You read too far in to my post.
3. don't lecture me on unity of the Ummah, not all members of Fatah are Muslim, and the ones that are are secular nationalists that pander to the west.

Ok...

A. Simmer down
I'm far from simmered.
2. All I was doing was stating the obvious as a semi-attempt at humour. You read too far in to my post.
That's very easy to say after the fact.

3. don't lecture me on unity of the Ummah, not all members of Fatah are Muslim, and the ones that are are secular nationalists that pander to the west.

Not Muslim as in, they don't self-identify as Muslims, or not Muslim as in, Soviestan doesn't think them proper Muslims because they don't want to create an Islamic government?

Believe it or not, a Muslim can believe in secular government without "pandering to the West." Liberalism is not exclusive to our hemisphere.

Something about Fatah consolidation in the West Bank, and so on and so forth.

ok :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kno2C8nSJok&mode=related&search=

Those are very dirty girls.


But I still liked it!

It means that the Gaza Strip is completely fucked and is going to collapse.

On the other hand, the West Bank might well be better off.

dont think this will not spread to westbank and lebanon, maybe jordan as well

dont think this will not spread to westbank and lebanon, maybe jordan as well

It can spread to the West Bank, but Fatah is far more likely to win there.

The West Bank will improve in many ways. The US, EU, and any group that cut aid to the Palestinians will now send it to the West Bank. Gaza won't get any of the benefits of the aid. They are now under the control of a terrorist organization. Even Israel has said they will send aid to the West Bank.

Expect the Fatah government to have talks with Israel. Without Hamas to fuck it up, Abbas will be successful. I expect much of the West Bank to become a Palestinian State in the next 5 years. Gaza on the other hand will spiral out of control as Hamas continues to fire rockets on Israel.

When the people of Gaza see an independent state in the West Bank, they will overthrow the Hamas government. They might get their own tiny state or have unification with the West Bank.

(watch how right I am on this one) As much as the fundies might like Hamas, they won't be able to convince the people that it's the way to go when they see a successful West Bank.

Israel should do nothing.
Hamas has been elected by the palestinians in the Gaza strip, and they should deal with their choises.

It means Hamas got its on hands on weapons and intelligence

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=190976

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56139

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2007/june/06_15_1.html