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Apparently, his latest movie, "Sicko" is now available for free on the Internet.

He's now in the position of trying to convince people that they should go to a movie theater and pay for something that's now available for nothing.

Sure, plenty of people will see the movie. Yet I wonder if he'll make as much money as he had planned.

I guess I won't have to pay him in order to see it.

Meh I wouldn't want to watch his crap either way. Maybe if he paid me instead

Um...where have you been? Pretty much any 'new' movie is available, for free, on the internet. Yet some of us still go to the theatre. Why? To get out, eat some of that crazy popcorn, and maybe get jiggy at the back of the theatre.

isn't every movie leaked nowadays?

How is this issue of piracy different then any other works issue of piracy?



Oh, right. Moore makes you wet your bed at night. Forgot.

Um...where have you been? Pretty much any 'new' movie is available, for free, on the internet. Yet some of us still go to the theatre. Why? To get out, eat some of that crazy popcorn, and maybe get jiggy at the back of the theatre.

Too expensive. I just get jiggy in the back of my living room with a pirated copy on and my flatmates in attendance :p

I guess I won't have to pay him in order to see it.

Don't let me catch you going "piracy is theft" Mr Deep Remote Online Eve Observer Kimchi and whatever other incarnations you've had before.

Too expensive. I just get jiggy in the back of my living room with a pirated copy on and my flatmates in attendance :p

More comfortable that way.

More comfortable that way.

Well maybe not so much for the flatmates but yeah for me its good

How is this issue of piracy different then any other works issue of piracy?



Oh, right. Moore makes you wet your bed at night. Forgot.

What sort of wet is that? I can think of two possibilities, both equally unpleasant to imagine.

What sort of wet is that? I can think of two possibilities, both equally unpleasant to imagine.

Hadn't thought about that, but now that you bring it up, it's hard to say...

http://adage.com/article?article_id=117350

Apparently, his latest movie, "Sicko" is now available for free on the Internet.

He's now in the position of trying to convince people that they should go to a movie theater and pay for something that's now available for nothing.

Sure, plenty of people will see the movie. Yet I wonder if he'll make as much money as he had planned.

I guess I won't have to pay him in order to see it.

Ummm...Every movie is pirated nowadays?

There are still people who go to the theatre to hang out with friends & family in a delightful atmosphere. Its why people go out to eat instead of staying in.

I think you should see it any way you want to, but if you like the whole 'Movie Theatre Experience' you should go see it in theaters.

isn't every movie leaked nowadays?

Apparently not as far in advance as this one.

Oh, and I'm not big on "piracy is theft". I think the movie and music industry is humping the wrong business model with that one.

You can download movies... for free? From the internet??

Heavens! Why hasn't anybody ever told me? Next thing you know, they'll say that you can download music too, and that'll kill the music industry overnight!

:rolleyes:

...so does this mean that all the Michael Moore haters who had never gone to see it in the first place will download it and see it, while the Moore-supporters will pay to see it?

i.e. his message will reach more people? Hmm....

I am guessing that a lot of his supporters will download it and watch it, then tell people "I paid to see his movie so I could support him..."

You can download movies... for free? From the internet??
:eek:
Heavens! Why hasn't anybody ever told me? Next thing you know, they'll say that you can download music too, and that'll kill the music industry overnight!

:rolleyes:




...so does this mean that all the Michael Moore haters who had never gone to see it in the first place will download it and see it, while the Moore-supporters will pay to see it?

i.e. his message will reach more people? Hmm....

I am guessing that a lot of his supporters will download it and watch it, then tell people "I paid to see his movie so I could support him..."
Suuuuuuuure. http://www.obsession2speed.com/forums/images/smilies/pat9xu.gif

Apparently not as far in advance as this one.

Two-three weeks?

Uh... everything makes it to the internet. Just the way it is.

When I originally saw this thread...I thought you meant it had been legally released on the internet. then the op would make sense.

however...since it's been pirated, I don't see what the big surprise is over.

It's interesting to me that no one appreciates anything anymore, at least not enough to pay some money for it. No wonder there are a million terrible movies, a million terrible albums, a million terrible books...we're spoiled, rotten little brats.

It's interesting to me that no one appreciates anything anymore, at least not enough to pay some money for it. No wonder there are a million terrible movies, a million terrible albums, a million terrible books...we're spoiled, rotten little brats.

Movies, Music, and books were horrible and uninspired long before the internet was even a twinkle in Al Gore's eye. Or are you going to blame Howard The Duck on the evil interwebs?

It's interesting to me that no one appreciates anything anymore, at least not enough to pay some money for it. No wonder there are a million terrible movies, a million terrible albums, a million terrible books...we're spoiled, rotten little brats.

You think if we had the internet 50, 100 years ago that the same thing wouldn't be happening today? We have more options with technology, that our ancestors lacked. I hardly think this advantage makes us spoiled, rotten or makes us brats, little or not. It is simply human nature to avoid paying for something if you don't have to and people that came before us wouldn't be any different.

Why would any people pay $7+ each to see a movie that they could watch for 4 dollars, as many times as they want, later on DVD?

If you don't understand why, you might be mentally defective.

Why is Moore making another movie anyways, did he finally run out of Mc. Donalds Big Mac? If you've seen one Moore movie, you've seen them all, you know, half truth, creative editing, and flashy graphics to wrap around the turd.

As some people have already pointed out, ALL movies are free: just download a torrent. It's common practice, difficult to be prosecuted for, and it's so easy a child could do it. Hell, there are people with MySpace accounts who know how to do it.

But I think "Sicko" will actually be one of those rare movies I will bother to pay for.

I'd pay to see it. Heard there wasn't much in it for people to hate him to use against him, as well. Well, maybe except the praising of European health care but I heard that part didn't take up too much time.

Movies, Music, and books were horrible and uninspired long before the internet was even a twinkle in Al Gore's eye. Or are you going to blame Howard The Duck on the evil interwebs?

Nobody is to blame for Howard the Duck. It was the perfect movie.

As some people have already pointed out, ALL movies are free: just download a torrent. It's common practice, difficult to be prosecuted for, and it's so easy a child could do it. Hell, there are people with MySpace accounts who know how to do it.

But I think "Sicko" will actually be one of those rare movies I will bother to pay for.

Don't bother, here, I'll now do the NSG interpretations of "Sicko"

Enter Moore Fat Head
Moore tries to buy prescription drugs realize that they are expensive as hell (which in reality wouldn't bother him since he's well rich)
Stab at Conservative
Show some poor downtrodden black woman who can't afford to pay for the 20 kids meds that has 20 different dads
Stab at Bush
Moore sucks Canada's dick for their NHS (nothing against Canada or Canadians)
stab at Republicans
Half truth about rich Republicans (pot meet Kettle)
Creative graphics to entertain the idiots
Half truth about the cost of NHS in the USA
Creative editing done with interview with Surgeon General
The End.

As some people have already pointed out, ALL movies are free: just download a torrent. It's common practice, difficult to be prosecuted for, and it's so easy a child could do it. Hell, there are people with MySpace accounts who know how to do it.

But I think "Sicko" will actually be one of those rare movies I will bother to pay for.

I lol'd. GG

It's interesting to me that no one appreciates anything anymore, at least not enough to pay some money for it. No wonder there are a million terrible movies, a million terrible albums, a million terrible books...we're spoiled, rotten little brats.

Yeah, because there were no absolutely horrible, embarassingly shitty movies in the 70's and 80's, before online piracy.

Oh wait.

Suuuuuuuure. http://www.obsession2speed.com/forums/images/smilies/pat9xu.gif

I just saw your Bill Hicks quote in your sig.

I'm giving you a small red thing. It is a piece of my heart. Do with it what you will.

Don't bother, here, I'll now do the NSG interpretations of "Sicko"

Enter Moore Fat Head
Moore tries to buy prescription drugs realize that they are expensive as hell (which in reality wouldn't bother him since he's well rich)
Stab at Conservative
Show some poor downtrodden black woman who can't afford to pay for the 20 kids meds that has 20 different dads
Stab at Bush
Moore sucks Canada's dick for their NHS (nothing against Canada or Canadians)
stab at Republicans
Half truth about rich Republicans (pot meet Kettle)
Creative graphics to entertain the idiots
Half truth about the cost of NHS in the USA
Creative editing done with interview with Surgeon General
The End.

To the blue: Why wouldn't we want to see that?

To the red: I lol'd at how bad that makes you look. =)

To the blue: Why wouldn't we want to see that?

To the red: I lol'd at how bad that makes you look. =)

To the Blue: Because after seeing it in every movie, it gets old, trust me Moore is a one note guy, he has the same format for every movie.

To the Red: Eh I don't care, but Moore does do that in every movie, finds some minority to share their heart breaking story to tug at our heart string, and idiots lap it up like sheeps and goat lap up Anti-Freeze. Oh, and Moore will leave out the "20 dad" part, and not include all 20 kids, he'd probably only show 3-4.

Moore is a fat ass hypocrite who's so full of himself that honestly, if that isn't thousands of Big Mac in his body, it's probably shit. He tries to portray himself as an "Average American" and yet, he's rich, got his own private land and he does most of his filming in Canada to skirt the labor laws here in the USA.

Apparently this movie is actually quite a lot better then his other two, without so many flaws.

To the Blue: Because after seeing it in every movie, it gets old, trust me Moore is a one note guy, he has the same format for every movie.

To the Red: Eh I don't care, but Moore does do that in every movie, finds some minority to share their heart breaking story to tug at our heart string, and idiots lap it up like sheeps and goat lap up Anti-Freeze. Oh, and Moore will leave out the "20 dad" part, and not include all 20 kids, he'd probably only show 3-4.

Moore is a fat ass hypocrite who's so full of himself that honestly, if that isn't thousands of Big Mac in his body, it's probably shit. He tries to portray himself as an "Average American" and yet, he's rich, got his own private land and he does most of his filming in Canada to skirt the labor laws here in the USA.

My favorite part about this Moore movie is this:

"The filmmaker also sent $12,000 anonymously (well, not any more; it's in the movie) to a Moore-hating blogger who was going to shut down his site to pay for his wife's hospital bills." http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1623337,00.html

I know that that will be my favorite part without even seeing the movie.

Apparently, his latest movie, "Sicko" is now available for free on the Internet.Coming to a theater near you?

All those movies make it to da Interwebs.. even some movies that never make it to your local theaters are in da Intewebs.

a torrent of movies if u kno wat I mean

Coming to a theater near you?

All those movies make it to da Interwebs.. even some movies that never make it to your local theaters are in da Intewebs.

a torrent of movies if u kno wat I mean

and don't forget, the Interwebs is a series of tubes!

http://lolcats2.com/full/inurtube.jpg

Apparently this movie is actually quite a lot better then his other two, without so many flaws.

It would have to be one hell of an improvement to make it worthwhile

It would have to be one hell of an improvement to make it worthwhile

It's not a Michael Moore film then?! :eek:

just watched it legally, paid for Michael Moore to show me and everything...

it made me feel silly even as a Brit, I now want to move to France where daycare is outrageously cheap and they have doctors who you can call to do house visits at anytime for any problem at all.

also a good bit is when they go to Cuba to buy the same meds as in the US, at this point my brain melted and I just felt like doing a humanitarian mission to the US

just watched it legally, paid for Michael Moore to show me and everything...

it made me feel silly even as a Brit, I now want to move to France where daycare is outrageously cheap and they have doctors who you can call to do house visits at anytime for any problem at all.

also a good bit is when they go to Cuba to buy the same meds as in the US, at this point my brain melted and I just felt like doing a humanitarian mission to the US

Cuba does have an amazing healthcare system. I'm always impressed by it although it probably wouldn't work in larger countries

Show some poor downtrodden black woman who can't afford to pay for the 20 kids meds that has 20 different dads


She would likely be on medicaid, so she wouldn't need to afford medication for kids.

She would likely be on medicaid, so she wouldn't need to afford medication for kids.

Another fact that Moore will conviently leave out or say "Medicare doesn't cover all of her expenses, and thus have to work three jobs to pay the rest, blah blah blah".

Cuba does have an amazing healthcare system. I'm always impressed by it although it probably wouldn't work in larger countries

actually its not to do with Cuba at all, the drug companies can sell the drugs for however much they want and the hospital gets to be the middle man

so basically this woman was paying $1000-ish (it was 5 mins ago:p) when in Cuba it was going for 50 cents

She would likely be on medicaid, so she wouldn't need to afford medication for kids.

spoilers below:
or gets thrown out of a taxi outside a shelter where they try to get her medical treatment somewhere

or has to move in with her daughter

or doesn't get preventive medicine or even the health checkups for it

or the doctors say she doesn't have an illness

I now want to move to France where daycare is outrageously cheap and they have doctors who you can call to do house visits at anytime for any problem at all.


That was apparently one of the few flaws of the system, apparently thats just a load of crap (from what I heard on the radio from people who actually know about this sort of thing, and also from t3h french people themselves).

Personally I thought the film was a hell of a lot better than his last outing which was a little too partisan for my taste.

That was apparently one of the few flaws of the system, apparently thats just a load of crap (from what I heard on the radio from people who actually know about this sort of thing, and also from t3h french people themselves).

but I watched a doctor go visit people in his little blue car :confused:

edit: and I want to see Michael Moore take on Scientology :D

but I watched a doctor go visit people in his little blue car :confused:

Well you know Moore, he does like to... fake stuff. I mean apparently he even praised our health service as being amazing, so I don't think he's that trustworthy.

When I originally saw this thread...I thought you meant it had been legally released on the internet. then the op would make sense.

however...since it's been pirated, I don't see what the big surprise is over.

Knowing Moore, he probably released it himself.

Knowing Moore, he probably released it himself.

You wish, at the end of the day, Moore is only about one thing, hard cold cash.

To the red: I lol'd at how bad that makes you look. =)

Really, Wilgrove, he does have a point. It makes you look rather racist.

Well you know Moore, he does like to... fake stuff. I mean apparently he even praised our health service as being amazing, so I don't think he's that trustworthy.

pfft if we went about throwing old ladies in the street with broken ribs and collar bones I think the wheel would be pretty awesome to us

Really, Wilgrove, he does have a point. It makes you look rather racist.

In F 9/11: Moore shows downtrodden poor family 'having' to sign up to the militatry in order to make a living.

In Bowling for Columbine: Moore shows a black teacher talking about how one of her black students got shot in a school shooting, he talks about the same girl to Charles Heston.

Never saw Roger & Me

Trust me, this is the stuff that Moore does to tug at the heart string of the people watching the movie to get them on his side, it's void of any logic and relies on emotion only, because hey, you want to help the poor downtrodden people don't you, and you want to help the poor black mother don't you? If you don't you're an evil white conservative bastard who should die.

You wish, at the end of the day, Moore is only about one thing, hard cold cash.
And look at all this publicity he is getting.

Also note, he gave $12 million anonymously to keep an anti-Moore site running (which he features in Sicko). Publicity = asses in seats.

In F 9/11: Moore shows downtrodden poor family 'having' to sign up to the militatry in order to make a living.

In Bowling for Columbine: Moore shows a black teacher talking about how one of her black students got shot in a school shooting, he talks about the same girl to Charles Heston.

Never saw Roger & Me

Trust me, this is the stuff that Moore does to tug at the heart string of the people watching the movie to get them on his side, it's void of any logic and relies on emotion only, because hey, you want to help the poor downtrodden people don't you, and you want to help the poor black mother don't you? If you don't you're an evil white conservative bastard who should die.

I actually meant the bit about her being black and having twenty kids with twenty different fathers, not just because you specified that she was black.

I actually meant the bit about her being black and having twenty kids with twenty different fathers, not just because you specified that she was black.

I also mentioned that Moore will only show 3-4 of the kids. I was trying to point out that Moore will not show the entire picture of WHY this woman is poor, and WHY she can't afford the meds.

And look at all this publicity he is getting.

Also note, he gave $12 million anonymously to keep an anti-Moore site running (which he features in Sicko). Publicity = asses in seats.

Ok, if he wanted to do it anonymously, then WHY did he put it in the film? Unless, he only wanted to kept it hush hush until people saw it in the film and THEN trot it out so he can 'prove' to people that he's not just a hypocrite fat guy who only tells half truth and makes bad documentaries.

And look at all this publicity he is getting.

Also note, he gave $12 million anonymously to keep an anti-Moore site running (which he features in Sicko). Publicity = asses in seats.

$12 thousand

I also mentioned that Moore will only show 3-4 of the kids. I was trying to point out that Moore will not show the entire picture of WHY this woman is poor, and WHY she can't afford the meds.

Umm...That doesn't change the fact that you basically just acted like black woman are stupid and slutty.

In F 9/11: Moore shows downtrodden poor family 'having' to sign up to the militatry in order to make a living.

In Bowling for Columbine: Moore shows a black teacher talking about how one of her black students got shot in a school shooting, he talks about the same girl to Charles Heston.

Never saw Roger & Me

Trust me, this is the stuff that Moore does to tug at the heart string of the people watching the movie to get them on his side, it's void of any logic and relies on emotion only, because hey, you want to help the poor downtrodden people don't you, and you want to help the poor black mother don't you? If you don't you're an evil white conservative bastard who should die.

Oh my god! He shows black people in his movies...hide the womanfolk!

Oh my god! He shows black people in his movies...hide the womanfolk!

Umm...That doesn't change the fact that you basically just acted like black woman are stupid and slutty.

Ok, so I could've worded that better, or left that part out completely and just go with:

this is the stuff that Moore does to tug at the heart string of the people watching the movie to get them on his side, it's void of any logic and relies on emotion only, because hey, you want to help the poor downtrodden people don't you, and you want to help the poor black mother don't you? If you don't you're an evil white conservative bastard who should die.

But I still stand by the above statement, but I do retract the black mom with 20 kids with 20 different dads comment.

Ok, if he wanted to do it anonymously, then WHY did he put it in the film? Unless, he only wanted to kept it hush hush until people saw it in the film and THEN trot it out so he can 'prove' to people that he's not just a hypocrite fat guy who only tells half truth and makes bad documentaries.
The site is in the film, not the contribution. Of course it was all for a point - the site was going to be shut down because the guy running it couldn't afford his wife's medical bills. And the only one being a "hypocrite fat guy" around here is you. Moore has an agenda, you're just being an asshat.

Yeah $12k, I was wrong. Dunno why I said mil.

The site is in the film, not the contribution. Of course it was all for a point - the site was going to be shut down because the guy running it couldn't afford his wife's medical bills. And the only one being a "hypocrite fat guy" around here is you. Moore has an agenda, you're just being an asshat.

Yeah $12k, I was wrong. Dunno why I said mil.

1. I am not fat.

2. I may be an asshole, I may word things wrong from time to time and I may be a bit mean, but I'm not a hypocrite. A hypocrite is advocating for unions, and yet shoot your 'documentary' in Canada so you don't have to put up with the pesky union laws here in the state. A hypocrite would come out against big business like big oil, and yet have stocks in the same business that he criticizes. Being a hypocrite is saying that you're for the average American, and yet you live in a mansion on a private and secluded area with more land than I own. Say that you love America and trying to change it, but go to other parts of the world and call us idiots, well you're just an asshole at that point.

1. I am not fat.

2. I may be an asshole, I may word things wrong from time to time and I may be a bit mean, but I'm not a hypocrite. A hypocrite is advocating for unions, and yet shoot your 'documentary' in Canada so you don't have to put up with the pesky union laws here in the state. A hypocrite would come out against big business like big oil, and yet have stocks in the same business that he criticizes. Being a hypocrite is saying that you're for the average American, and yet you live in a mansion on a private and secluded area with more land than I own. Say that you love America and trying to change it, but go to other parts of the world and call us idiots, well you're just an asshole at that point.

So in order to be for the average american you have to limit your earning potential?

So in order to be for the average american you have to limit your earning potential?

No, but I doubt that the rich like Bill Gates (who does great charity work BTW) are somewhat disconnected from Average Americans.

No, but I doubt that the rich like Bill Gates (who does great charity work BTW) are somewhat disconnected from Average Americans.

But if you come from average american stock and grew up in that way of life you know a lot about the experiences people have. Oh and your sentence seems to say the opposite of what you wanted

But if you come from average american stock and grew up in that way of life you know a lot about the experiences people have. Oh and your sentence seems to say the opposite of what you wanted

Eh it depends on how long ago that was. Sure some people do know the experience, but others seem to forget where they came from and think they grew up rich.

Eh it depends on how long ago that was. Sure some people do know the experience, but others seem to forget where they came from and think they grew up rich.

But what is to stop them being "for" a particular group. Its not like they're saying they're still in that group but that they want to make things easier and better for those who they grew up among

But what is to stop them being "for" a particular group. Its not like they're saying they're still in that group but that they want to make things easier and better for those who they grew up among

Touche, ok so Michael Moore may be for the average American, but to try to pass himself off as one, yea, good luck buddy.

Don't let me catch you going "piracy is theft" Mr Deep Remote Online Eve Observer Kimchi and whatever other incarnations you've had before.
You forgot Sierra BHTP, and Whispering Legs.

I am sure there are dozens of others. :eek:

I find it interesting that DK admits that he will at least watch the movie. :)

So lets revue.

If you're overweight, you don't have a valid argument.

If you're successful, you don't have a voice.

If you're unsuccessful, you have a voice but no one can hear it.

If you show the plight of people affected by what it is you're trying to expose, you're point is invalid. Especially if those people are 'black' or poor. But remember, you only have integrity if you're poor, so sort that one out.

Moore makes documentaries about America and fills his movies with mostly Americans, so I'm going to have to see this Canada thing that keeps getting tossed about. Did he build a Flint, Michigan set in Canada? Or a Columbine one? Did he visit Heston's Canadian house? Go to the Canadian headquarters of GM? Was he asking Canadian senators if they read the Patriot Act? I'm not saying he doesn't make movies in Canada (Canadian Bacon, perhaps, but it doesn't take a genius to see why that might have been filmed in Canada...), I'm just saying that I'm going to have to see something other than the constant claim that he makes his movies in Canada, because I've seen all of them and there is very little Canada in any of them.

Ditto on the stocks claim. Not saying he doesn't, but you'll excuse me if I need more than your 'say so'.

If you promote your message, then you don't have a message. Apparently you're suppose to wait at home for someone to come by and ask if you have a message. Or maybe just post it on public forums and hope that's enough, because if it actually reaches more people it's not valid.

Yeah...that looks like a steaming load. Nice job.

So lets revue.

If you're overweight, you don't have a valid argument.

Weight got nothing to do with it, it was a personal attack.

If you're successful, you don't have a voice.

Well I doubt he's doing these documentaries for the fun of it. If his first one failed, I doubt he would've made anymore.

If you show the plight of people affected by what it is you're trying to expose, you're point is invalid. Especially if those people are 'black' or poor. But remember, you only have integrity if you're poor, so sort that one out.

No, you have integrity if you present things in it's entirety, don't use special editing and show the whole story then yea you got integrity.

To see how much Moore edits his film, look at all the things that he took out of context in "Bowling for Columbine."

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Moore makes documentaries about America and fills his movies with mostly Americans, so I'm going to have to see this Canada thing that keeps getting tossed about. Did he build a Flint, Michigan set in Canada? Or a Columbine one? Did he visit Heston's Canadian house? Go to the Canadian headquarters of GM? Was he asking Canadian senators if they read the Patriot Act? I'm not saying he doesn't make movies in Canada (Canadian Bacon, perhaps, but it doesn't take a genius to see why that might have been filmed in Canada...), I'm just saying that I'm going to have to see something other than the constant claim that he makes his movies in Canada, because I've seen all of them and there is very little Canada in any of them.

But Moore does his film production in Canada to avoid paying union scale and threatened to fire half of his TV show's writing staff when they wanted to join a union, reviewer David Forsmark reports after reading Schweizer’s book.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/21/101857.shtml

Ditto on the stocks claim. Not saying he doesn't, but you'll excuse me if I need more than your 'say so'.

Moore owns Halliburton stocks as well as Defense stocks.

Filmmaker Michael Moore has made a career out of trashing corporations and said he doesn't own any stocks due to moral principle.

How then did author Peter Schweizer uncover IRS documents showing that Moore's very own foundation has bought stocks in some of America's largest corporations – including Halliburton, other defense contractors and some of the same companies he has attacked?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/3/150518.shtml

Newsmax? Surely you can do better.

EDIT: I'm going to have to come back to this, running late.

Newsmax? Surely you can do better.

EDIT: I'm going to have to come back to this, running late.

Another article about Moore owning Halliburton Stocks.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20518

Another article about Moore owning Halliburton Stocks.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20518

Interesting site. I particualrly enjoyed their "Jihad Watch" page, complete with ads for Islam-bashing books. :rolleyes: Strike two. Care to try again?

Interesting site. I particualrly enjoyed their "Jihad Watch" page, complete with ads for Islam-bashing books. :rolleyes: Strike two. Care to try again?

Yet ANOTHER one.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/021105ownsstock.htm

Face it, Michael Moore IS a hypocrite.

Yet ANOTHER one.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/021105ownsstock.htm

Face it, Michael Moore IS a hypocrite.
Michael Moore has an agenda. Michael Moore realizes you have to make money in order to make movies that inform people about this kind of crap.
Water is wet. Wind is windy. Ice is cold.

Yet ANOTHER one.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/021105ownsstock.htm

Face it, Michael Moore IS a hypocrite.

OK, now how about a link to a news source? Moore may very well have done what you allege (in fact I wouldn't be very surprised), but until you can provide a link to a real, legitimate news outlet I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. A real source this time. I wouldn't insult your intelligence by claiming Air America as an unbiased source, don't insult mine with these.

If his first one failed, I doubt he would've made anymore.
Your logic is mind boggling!!! :p

Wouldn't pay to see the film, definitely wouldn't steal to see it.

I would speculate it would cost about the same amount to see it at the cinemas as buying a band aid in the private health system.

You can buy, like, thirty band-aids for 99 cents at Walgreens.

Show some poor downtrodden black woman who can't afford to pay for the 20 kids meds that has 20 different dads
You are trying to condemn Moore's vision of America yet you wrote the above words.......

You lose!!

I would speculate it would cost about the same amount to see it at the cinemas as buying a band aid in the private health system.

Apparently not as far in advance as this one.
That just shows you how behind the times you are. I've watched DVD quality movies weeks before they've been released in the theatres. They're not that hard to find.

Another article about Moore owning Halliburton Stocks.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20518

Yet ANOTHER one.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/021105ownsstock.htm

Face it, Michael Moore IS a hypocrite.

Would you accept Michael Moore as a source?


Then why should I accept these kinds of sites?

I am guessing that a lot of his supporters will download it and watch it, then tell people "I paid to see his movie so I could support him..."

You proceed from false assumption. You cheap bastard.

"Sure he lies sometimes, but he lies for a good cause," to paraphrase a Democrat-voting friend, talking about Moore's last movie before Election '04. :p Much funnier after having the last laugh though, I'd guess. ;)

"Sure he lies sometimes, but he lies for a good cause," to paraphrase a Democrat-voting friend, talking about Moore's last movie before Election '04. :p Much funnier after having the last laugh though, I'd guess. ;)

Looking at Bush, your last laughs suck.

Why does the right insist on spreading lies about Moore?



Oh, yeah, it's 'cause he holds on to his ideals. The right cant stand people like that.

Why does the right insist on spreading lies about Moore?



Oh, yeah, it's 'cause he holds on to his ideals. The right cant stand people like that.
No no, I'll give them a little benefit of the doubt that they're going to pull a source out that isn't at least half as biased and unreliable as they claim Moore is.

I do find it entertaining, and more than a little telling, that they go through what Moore says with a fine tooth comb, that they hold him to a stricter standard than they do the administration, or even something like Fox News. Imagine if they turned that laser like focus on someone or something that mattered, why, we might actually have accountability...

I can dream...

I'll see it. Something to do.

Why does the right insist on spreading lies about Moore?



Oh, yeah, it's 'cause he holds on to his ideals. The right cant stand people like that.

Nah I just take exception to some of his ideas (although i'm not on the right) but then i'm not gonna spread lies about him I suppose

No, but I doubt that the rich like Bill Gates (who does great charity work BTW) are somewhat disconnected from Average Americans.
Bill Gates came from a very wealthy family, so I'd say he'd have very little idea of what an 'Average' American liked/dislikes.

Also, his charity work isn't that great. Your saying that just shows your research skills are limited to what Fox tells you. His charitable education programs for eg insist on all computers being pcs with only Microsoft products being installed - thus he is buying his products through his charity pushing up his share options and, as it's a charity, he doesn't have to pay taxes on them.

Bill Gates came from a very wealthy family, so I'd say he'd have very little idea of what an 'Average' American liked/dislikes.

Also, his charity work isn't that great. Your saying that just shows your research skills are limited to what Fox tells you. His charitable education programs for eg insist on all computers being pcs with only Microsoft products being installed - thus he is buying his products through his charity pushing up his share options and, as it's a charity, he doesn't have to pay taxes on them.

I don't see a problem with that. It produces the same result in the end. Should he deny improving his lot for no reason?

moore should be shot

Shut up.

This is the calmest but least organized troll I've ever seen.

:p

moore should be shot

Shut up.

Bill Gates came from a very wealthy family, so I'd say he'd have very little idea of what an 'Average' American liked/dislikes.

Also, his charity work isn't that great. Your saying that just shows your research skills are limited to what Fox tells you. His charitable education programs for eg insist on all computers being pcs with only Microsoft products being installed - thus he is buying his products through his charity pushing up his share options and, as it's a charity, he doesn't have to pay taxes on them.


No matter what his reasons, it is still getting funding where it is needed. I remember reading that he pledged about $4 Billion towards Africa to help with vaccines.
I think there is too much worrying about who benefits and if we all think that rich people or states give because they want to are going to be disapointed.

I do find it entertaining, and more than a little telling, that they go through what Moore says with a fine tooth comb, that they hold him to a stricter standard than they do the administration, or even something like Fox News. Imagine if they turned that laser like focus on someone or something that mattered, why, we might actually have accountability...

I can dream...

I love the double-standard. Like how if Moore makes a mistake that causes some small, passing bit of embarrassment to the Bush administration he's a treasonous islamofascist sympathizer, BUT: If the Bush administration makes a whole series of whopping great blunders that cost thousands of lives, it's somehow all our fault for completely & unfairly casting light on their entirely reasonable total fucking incompetence.

I love the double-standard. Like how if Moore makes a mistake that causes some small, passing bit of embarrassment to the Bush administration he's a treasonous islamofascist sympathizer, BUT: If the Bush administration makes a whole series of whopping great blunders that cost thousands of lives, it's somehow all our fault for completely & unfairly casting light on their entirely reasonable total fucking incompetence.

Bush is our Fearless Leader, trying to rid the world of our terrorist enemies, through any means necessary. Therefore any criticism towards him implicitly means you support those islamofascist bastards. And Bush doesn't make "mistakes". What looks like blunders to us is actually a brilliant plan to put the radicals in a false sense of security while Bush then launches what will win the war on terror. So doubting him is wrong as he actually knows what he is doing and guys like Moore should shut up before they give everything away to the enemy.

Or something like that, trying to get into the head of a Fox News pundit hurts my head.

Anybody download and watch it yet? :p

Or something like that, trying to get into the head of a Fox News pundit hurts my head.

Yeah, trying to get your head that big can hurt sometimes. Seriously, this guy I know knows this guy who tried it and his ego burst from the strain of it being so huge.

Um...where have you been? Pretty much any 'new' movie is available, for free, on the internet. Yet some of us still go to the theatre. Why? To get out, eat some of that crazy popcorn, and maybe get jiggy at the back of the theatre.

Mmmmm, jiggyness....

1. I am not fat.

You're big-boned, right?

You're big-boned, right?

No no no he bubbly personality is the correct term :p

Bush is our Fearless Leader, trying to rid the world of our terrorist enemies, through any means necessary. Therefore any criticism towards him implicitly means you support those islamofascist bastards. And Bush doesn't make "mistakes". What looks like blunders to us is actually a brilliant plan to put the radicals in a false sense of security while Bush then launches what will win the war on terror. So doubting him is wrong as he actually knows what he is doing and guys like Moore should shut up before they give everything away to the enemy.

Or something like that, trying to get into the head of a Fox News pundit hurts my head.

I'm really trying to work IOKIYAR into the lexicon--"It's OK If You're A Republican." It seems to fit so many different situations.

1) Not planning on watching it anyway.
2) What's the big deal? Now everyone in the world can see the gospel according to Moore. Doesn't he care? Doesn't he WANT everyone to know the truth? ;)

1) Not planning on watching it anyway.
2) What's the big deal? Now everyone in the world can see the gospel according to Moore. Doesn't he care? Doesn't he WANT everyone to know the truth? ;)

With his last movie he did actually invite people to pirate it if necessary as long as they saw it, so I'd say yeah. Sort of deflates the 'all about the Benjamins' characterizations, but you know...it is amusing watching them try to decide if he's an idealouge (Firefox spell check failed me) or an opportunist.

With his last movie he did actually invite people to pirate it if necessary as long as they saw it, so I'd say yeah. Sort of deflates the 'all about the Benjamins' characterizations, but you know...it is amusing watching them try to decide if he's an idealouge (Firefox spell check failed me) or an opportunist.

It's one of those situations where it's a "heads they win, tails you lose" when it comes to Moore. He helps out the guy who runs the anti-Moore site and Moore's a bastard because he was only doing it for publicity. Even if it were only for publicity, does that negate the goodness of the act? For fuck's sake--the guy did a good thing for someone who makes a life bashing him--think O'Reilly would do something like that?

It's one of those situations where it's a "heads they win, tails you lose" when it comes to Moore. He helps out the guy who runs the anti-Moore site and Moore's a bastard because he was only doing it for publicity. Even if it were only for publicity, does that negate the goodness of the act? For fuck's sake--the guy did a good thing for someone who makes a life bashing him--think O'Reilly would do something like that?
You don't need to stray from the thread for something like that-
Bill Gates came from a very wealthy family, so I'd say he'd have very little idea of what an 'Average' American liked/dislikes.

Also, his charity work isn't that great. Your saying that just shows your research skills are limited to what Fox tells you. His charitable education programs for eg insist on all computers being pcs with only Microsoft products being installed - thus he is buying his products through his charity pushing up his share options and, as it's a charity, he doesn't have to pay taxes on them.

I don't see a problem with that. It produces the same result in the end. Should he deny improving his lot for no reason?
Setting up a charity to buy your own product, good.

Paying the medical bills of a critic of yours (but having the audacity to put it in a movie your making about the inadequacies of the health care system, bad.

(to be fair-ish, both sentiments aren't coming from the same person, I don't think, I didn't really look that hard. But it did seem amusing.)

(to be fair-ish, both sentiments aren't coming from the same person, I don't think, I didn't really look that hard. But it did seem amusing.)

Yeah thats the problem in it. My opinion holds for both situations

Yeah thats the problem in it. My opinion holds for both situations

Wilgrove hasn't been back yet to comment on the Gates thing yet, so you had to do. But he is the one who disapproved of Moore using the donation and praised Gates (who is richer than Moore by leaps and bounds and is inarguably all about the Benjis, so huh?) so your comment had to do. I caveatted.

In F 9/11: Moore shows downtrodden poor family 'having' to sign up to the militatry in order to make a living.

In Bowling for Columbine: Moore shows a black teacher talking about how one of her black students got shot in a school shooting, he talks about the same girl to Charles Heston.

Never saw Roger & Me

Trust me, this is the stuff that Moore does to tug at the heart string of the people watching the movie to get them on his side, it's void of any logic and relies on emotion only, because hey, you want to help the poor downtrodden people don't you, and you want to help the poor black mother don't you? If you don't you're an evil white conservative bastard who should die.

You must be a bigg moore fan I have yet to see one of his documentaries

Should be a good film. Moore is a great documentary-maker-person-thing.

Should be a good film. Moore is a great documentary-maker-person-thing.

A producer, maybe? Or a director... I think he counts as both, unless I'm very much mistaken.

A producer, maybe? Or a director... I think he counts as both, unless I'm very much mistaken.

Generally you just say 'documentary filmmaker.' Though 'filmmaker' is applied willy nilly (even the lowliest of crew members will call themselves filmmakers in certain situations) with documentary filmmakers it's the most appropriate, since there is often a single author who writes, directs, at least shares in producing, and often shoots and edits, packages and promotes all by themselves. Moore is big enough to get budgets that allow him to not have to be a one man band like most documentary filmmakers, but he is still the primary, and really should be considered the soul author of the film. So Documentary filmmaker is appropriate.

EDIT: Now that I've 'said' 'filmmaker' a few times in row I realize how silly that word is. Cakemaker. Chairmaker. Bah, you'd think something better could have been come up with.

I just hope he doesn't ruin his point this time with stupid editing tricks and inaccuracies (maybe lies, i don't know).

To get out, eat some of that crazy popcorn, and maybe get jiggy at the back of the theatre.

WooT!
Wait, while Moore's looking on?
Even for me, that's a little too phreaky.