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Which world culture is the most perverted. The Japanese culture seems to throw itself at me, with its Hentai, and lolicon among many other things. But which culture do you think is the most perverted?

Which world culture is the most perverted. The Japanese culture seems to throw itself at me, with its Hentai, and lolicon among many other things. But which culture do you think is the most perverted?

Its a deadlock between Japanese, Germans, & Americans.

Maybe this is on my mind because I taught the Marge Piercy poem "The Moon Is Always Female" today, but any culture that requires a clitoridectomy (female genital mutilation) has to be high on the list.

Culture debates piss me off.

*is mad*

Vatican city.


1) Kinky S&M style torture during the inquisition.
2) World's largest porn archive.
3) Caught diddling kids? Don't worry, just relocate.

Japan, the nation where serial rape gets you a pat a back (unless you're a foreigner) and you're considered weird if you haven't ever jacked off to a twelve-year old.

did you know america spends more on porn than the entire national debt of sub-saharan africa? just thought id throw that in, often things dont seem as bad when theyre normal, so id say western culture

Japan, the nation where serial rape gets you a pat a back (unless you're a foreigner) and you're considered weird if you haven't ever jacked off to a twelve-year old.

You're not exaggerating are you?

did you know america spends more on porn than the entire national debt of sub-saharan africa? just thought id throw that in, often things dont seem as bad when theyre normal, so id say western culture

Sure, but do we spend more per capita than other cultures?

It's hard to argue with Japan. Even if they don't spend as much... that's some seriously fucked-up shit.

You're not exaggerating are you?

God, I hope so.

Sure, but do we spend more per capita than other cultures?

It's hard to argue with Japan. Even if they don't spend as much... that's some seriously fucked-up shit.

QFT. That is some bizarre porn. You've convinced me. Japan gets it.

God, I hope so.

Would you like to cite some examples of these serial rapists getting a pat on the back? I'm genuinely interested/horrified by this if it is true...

It depends on your level of tolerance for this kind of thing. Then it becomes simply a matter of opinion based on the facts. So, no one culture would in essence be more perverted than any other.

A broader, more unbiased view of the adult themes of Japan, from our good friend wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_porn

Japan is definitely high on my list. What other culture that would invent bukkake and tentacle rape but "fuzz" out any view of genitals in their porn. Germany is also high up on my list with their bathroom fetishes but number one has to be the US. Any culture that combines this...
did you know america spends more on porn than the entire national debt of sub-saharan africa? just thought id throw that in, often things dont seem as bad when theyre normal, so id say western culture
... with this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18663903/
is perverse in the nth degree!

And here is a cool link on porn statistics: http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html?

the ones that find violence more acceptable than porn...

though Japan still wins

Japan, the nation where serial rape gets you a pat a back (unless you're a foreigner) and you're considered weird if you haven't ever jacked off to a twelve-year old.

He may have had a point about the rape thing.

Link:

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUST17815620070515?feedType=RSS

Sure, but do we spend more per capita than other cultures?

It's hard to argue with Japan. Even if they don't spend as much... that's some seriously fucked-up shit.

Fact: More Americans look at nasty Japanese porn than Japanese. So who's the more perverse?

It's kind of like how even though I produce shit with my ass, most of it goes into the sewer system and I clean myself pretty good. Hence the sewer is dirtier than my ass.

And yes, I just compared Japan to an asshole and America to a sewer.

Japan is in my mind the second most perverted modern society.

America is number 1 because we BUY it.

Ancient society.. Greek or Roman.

america has culture?


/jk :p

The Internet is the most perverted. We invented 4chan. End of story.

The Internet is the most perverted. We invented 4chan. End of story.
But are we truly a culture? Anyway, I'm going to indict The Patriarchy. Pretty much covers it all, neh?

With completely anecdotal evidence, I'd say Americans are more perveted that Japanese people.

Arab nations... I mean, apparently arab men are so horny that women need to hide themselves in burqas and the like or arab men will rape them\end{sarcasm}\end{cynism}

Fact: More Americans look at nasty Japanese porn than Japanese. So who's the more perverse?

It's kind of like how even though I produce shit with my ass, most of it goes into the sewer system and I clean myself pretty good. Hence the sewer is dirtier than my ass.

And yes, I just compared Japan to an asshole and America to a sewer.

Sure, but there are a lot more Americans than there are Japanese. Again, it's a question of per capita figures.

USA

Althrough Japan has stuff like Bukake and other things, USA has sex with animals, fist fucks, black huge guys on small blond girls, and tons other stuff.

USA

Althrough Japan has stuff like Bukake and other things, USA has sex with animals, fist fucks, black huge guys on small blond girls, and tons other stuff.

Most of which happens in the South; for one reason:


(Christian families indoctrinate their kids that everything they do is a sin, they are wholely impure and will never be good spirited. So with an ironic sense of reverse psycology[spelling] the children revolt against the indoctrination and end up having sex with animals and the like. Really wierd stuff! Prime example, my conservative christian Grandmother, told my aunt her whole life that sex was painful and evil!- as soon as my aunt entered highschool, she was riding every penis she could find.)

Japan, the nation where serial rape gets you a pat a back (unless you're a foreigner) and you're considered weird if you haven't ever jacked off to a twelve-year old.

"To" or "on"?

Because honestly, neither would surprise me.

"To" or "on"?

Because honestly, neither would surprise me.

Both.

He may have had a point about the rape thing.

Link:

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUST17815620070515?feedType=RSS

God damn it.

Maybe this is on my mind because I taught the Marge Piercy poem "The Moon Is Always Female" today, but any culture that requires a clitoridectomy (female genital mutilation) has to be high on the list.

Hell, any one that REQUIRES a male circumcision isn't exactly high on the list of nice cultures.

Hell, any one that REQUIRES a male circumcision isn't exactly high on the list of nice cultures.

Well, at least that pain isn't permanent.

Fact: More Americans look at nasty Japanese porn than Japanese. So who's the more perverse?

It's kind of like how even though I produce shit with my ass, most of it goes into the sewer system and I clean myself pretty good. Hence the sewer is dirtier than my ass.

And yes, I just compared Japan to an asshole and America to a sewer.
Excellent point.

Also explains why this:
Germany is also high up on my list with their bathroom fetishes
is something I have exclusively come across on English-language internet sites...

Being German, I really don't have the impression that people here even know they're supposed to have those fetishes...

I'd be interested if there is even any foundation to the generally accepted (again, on English-language internet sites) "fact" that most of such porn is produced by German companies.

Excellent point.

Also explains why this:

is something I have exclusively come across on English-language internet sites...

Being German, I really don't have the impression that people here even know they're supposed to have those fetishes...

I'd be interested if there is even any foundation to the generally accepted (again, on English-language internet sites) "fact" that most of such porn is produced by German companies.

It's just one of those stereotypes.

Being German, I really don't have the impression that people here even know they're supposed to have those fetishes...

I'd be interested if there is even any foundation to the generally accepted (again, on English-language internet sites) "fact" that most of such porn is produced by German companies.

Well, all I know is, it's called a Cleveland Steamer, not for example a Saarland Scheisswurst.

I'd wager that even if Germans produce that kind of pr0n, we in America do what we historically tend to do when it comes to manufacturing - make it in much greater quantities!

Newsflash: all that weird kinky things you say X nationality does... people in every nation does it. It is funny to think that any one culture has some monopoly on certain fetishes. It is like teenagers thinking they invented sex.

The only difference is in how culturally acceptable it is for these things to be discussed in public. The US has the greatest freedom to express your kinkiness (despite also having some of the most prudish laws in some jurisdictions - just the wild contradictions of this nation) and as such, most kinky things are more publicized here.

Japan has little shame about prostitution or of young girls, but they are not really all that kinky. They are probably best known for young girls and bondage - both of which are very much present in every culture (what do you think that whole thing about catholic schoolgirl uniforms is about?).

If you really want to blow your mind, find some vintage porn - they were doing the most bizarre things hundreds of years ago.

The whole german scat porn meme is just a joke - it is actually more prevalent among the french in my experience. In any case - everyone everywhere gets up to kinky fun. You dont tend to hear about the Iranian leather parties, but believe me, they happen.

Which world culture is the most perverted. The Japanese culture seems to throw itself at me, with its Hentai, and lolicon among many other things. But which culture do you think is the most perverted?

"Perversion" is a highly relative term, and is meaningless especially when applied to a whole culture.

Folks, we don't especially mind a discussion of porn, but for Pete's sake ...

Don't post porn links.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator
The One-Stop Rules Shop

Japan, the end.
If this was the most self-repressed, it would be the Americans.

Well, all I know is, it's called a Cleveland Steamer, not for example a Saarland Scheisswurst.:p

Being German, I really don't have the impression that people here even know they're supposed to have those fetishes...
Trust me, they do. And it's not a pretty thought. ;)

You're not exaggerating are you?
Yes, he is.

There's some crazy stuff over here and the views on sex and sexuality are very different from Western culture, but it isn't THAT bad.

I would definitely say Japan simply for the sheer variety of fetishes and paraphilias there as well as the fact that many, such as lolicon and sadomasochism are well in the mainstream. Sure, such fetishists have their devotees in other countries, but only in Japan could a publishing company of any kind turn a major profit from lolicon, to say nothing of the even more bizarre fetish material that nonetheless sells well enough to be commercially viable.

When will you learn...
Japan invests in its peculiar culture because they have reached the end of human achievement. They have ascended into a higher state of being. They are...Star-Children.
But it's true, their popular culture is screwy.

Trust me, they do. And it's not a pretty thought. ;)

:eek:

The Japanese are no more perverted than the Americans, they just don't try to pretend that they don't like their porn. Sure they use Hentai instead of real people, and to Westerners, that's really fucked up.

There's almost no doubt in my mind that America watches more porn and what not. All we do is use the internet, porno shops with the black plastic bags, and act like we did about sex in the 50s.

So in short, America probably watches more porn, we just try to cover our tracks while the Japanese don't think anything of it.

The question isn't the amount of porn but the actual contents of it. In terms of sheer volume, America might well have Japan beat, but the vast majority of that is pretty run-of-the-mill (or vanilla as perverts often say). In Japan, however, paraphilic (that is, fetishistic and kinky) pornography is a big business, a viable and thriving commercial enterprise.

Take a lucky guess where the porn industry first launched off? :p

The Japanese are no more perverted than the Americans, they just don't try to pretend that they don't like their porn. Sure they use Hentai instead of real people, and to Westerners, that's really fucked up.

There's almost no doubt in my mind that America watches more porn and what not. All we do is use the internet, porno shops with the black plastic bags, and act like we did about sex in the 50s.

So in short, America probably watches more porn, we just try to cover our tracks while the Japanese don't think anything of it.

The question isn't the amount of porn but the actual contents of it. In terms of sheer volume, America might well have Japan beat, but the vast majority of that is pretty run-of-the-mill (or vanilla as perverts often say). In Japan, however, paraphilic (that is, fetishistic and kinky) pornography is a big business, a viable and thriving commercial enterprise.

Hell, any one that REQUIRES a male circumcision isn't exactly high on the list of nice cultures.

Well, at least that pain isn't permanent.

And it doesn't result in a complete loss of sensation in the region. Hell, I'm circumcised, and if I were any more sensitive, I'd never have successful sex. ;)

Well, at least that pain isn't permanent.

I can attest to that. It is female circumsicion which is the bad type.

As for 'perverted' porn I would say Japan is pretty high up: Tubgirl anyone?

Take a lucky guess where the porn industry first launched off? :p

Greece. The term Pornography is originally from Ancient greek meining: Writing about prostitutes.

Isn't "Perverted Culture" an oxymoron? Surely perversion is, by definition, deviation from socially accepted standards?

Isn't "Perverted Culture" an oxymoron? Surely perversion is, by definition, deviation from socially accepted standards?

Bam!

Excellent point.

Also explains why [supposed German fecal fetishes]

is something I have exclusively come across on English-language internet sites...

Being German, I really don't have the impression that people here even know they're supposed to have those fetishes...

I'd be interested if there is even any foundation to the generally accepted (again, on English-language internet sites) "fact" that most of such porn is produced by German companies.

Seconded! I've also only encountered this whole "Schiesse-Film", as it was often so cutely called, thing on Anglophone websites. And no, I've yet to have heard the very word, let aone a discussion/mentioning on/of it in German/-y.

Trust me, they do. And it's not a pretty thought. ;)

I'll ignore this and file it under "unsignificant dissenting opinion".

Seriously? I really wouldn't know / be surprised.

I can attest to that. It is female circumsicion which is the bad type.

As for 'perverted' porn I would say Japan is pretty high up: Tubgirl anyone?

Tubgirl is not porn.



At least, I hope it's not.

Which world culture is the most perverted. The Japanese culture seems to throw itself at me, with its Hentai, and lolicon among many other things. But which culture do you think is the most perverted?

Ummm what is perversion?

Tubgirl is not porn.
It's certainly obscene.

One tubgirl pic was enough for me.

Folks, we don't especially mind a discussion of porn, but for Pete's sake ...

Don't post porn links.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator
The One-Stop Rules Shop

Especially "that" kind. Put you off the choccie bars fer life that would...

Which world culture is the most perverted. The Japanese culture seems to throw itself at me, with its Hentai, and lolicon among many other things. But which culture do you think is the most perverted?

by this, you focus on the Sexual definition of Perverted...

I don't say Japan then. sure they have Hentai, but alot of countries has Porn and all have laws to regulate them...

Me, I say places like... was it Sweden that has the school for prostitution?

Not only is it legal, but it's now a course to be taken!

Hmm... I wonder... for a child attending such a school, what would be worse for the parent: getting a note that your child is flunking out... or that your child made the Dean's List?

Errr... from whose perspective?

Indian Culture may be utterly abominable to Japanese Culture, which in turn may be deeply offensive to that of the Middle East, etc. etc.

Most of which happens in the South; for one reason:


(Christian families indoctrinate their kids that everything they do is a sin, they are wholely impure and will never be good spirited. So with an ironic sense of reverse psycology[spelling] the children revolt against the indoctrination and end up having sex with animals and the like. Really wierd stuff! Prime example, my conservative christian Grandmother, told my aunt her whole life that sex was painful and evil!- as soon as my aunt entered highschool, she was riding every penis she could find.)
I think you forgot about that guy who got fucked to death by a horse last year... that was in Washington, which isn't a southern state if I'm not mistaken...

I would definitely say Japan simply for the sheer variety of fetishes and paraphilias there as well as the fact that many, such as lolicon and sadomasochism are well in the mainstream. Sure, such fetishists have their devotees in other countries, but only in Japan could a publishing company of any kind turn a major profit from lolicon, to say nothing of the even more bizarre fetish material that nonetheless sells well enough to be commercially viable.
Um... honestly, lolicon and S&M aren't mainstream here in Japan.

Um... honestly, lolicon and S&M aren't mainstream here in Japan.

They aren't? Well, I keep reading that 40% of Japanese engage in S&M and that the age of consent there is 12, which always seems a strong indicator even if the claims are suspicious. However, I'm simply astounded by the sheer volume of fetishistic or paraphilic porn, and don't see how it could be economically viable to make so much (or to make it at all, really) unless there were huge numbers of consumers for it.

I think America tries to be perverted, but it will take another decade or two to get on level with some other cultures. After all, it was founded by prudes.

that 40% of Japanese engage in S&M I dont think so.
do have a Link to support such a wild statement?

that the age of consent (in Japan) is 12.That is the equivalent to say the US age of consent is 0. (or something like that)

You are going from wild.. to spaced out.

No wonder... misinformed peoples voted for the first Poll option.
The average Age of consent in Japan is ~15-17

No wonder... misinformed peoples voted for the first Poll option.BTW.. A friend living in Japan told me it is illegal to have -in your possession- naked body pictures with a vagina.. or something like that.

Admittedly, I do not quite remember where I read it, so understandably, I don't necessarily believe it. However, no one can deny the apparent profusion of unusual pornography in Japan as compared to the US and other nations.

They aren't? Well, I keep reading that 40% of Japanese engage in S&M
I'd love to see such a link because honestly I think you're getting that from WaiWai, which is not a bastion of journalistic truth.

and that the age of consent there is 12, which always seems a strong indicator even if the claims are suspicious.
The age of consent is... complicated actually. But where the 12 comes from is Meiji era law (so waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the 1800's) where women were married off to cement alliances between families and arranged marriages were the norm. Japan just has never gotten around to updating the laws (Which isn't surprising, Japan almost never updates its laws).

However, I'm simply astounded by the sheer volume of fetishistic or paraphilic porn, and don't see how it could be economically viable to make so much (or to make it at all, really) unless there were huge numbers of consumers for it.
*sighs* What you are seeing is the hentai problem. People think that hentai is the bulk of anime because that's what they see in the US. Most anime is not hentai, but the bulk of anime stays in Japan and is never seen in the US. Most Porn in Japan is pretty standard non-fetish, but the stuff that sells in the US is... the fetish stuff.

That, and remember, what is fetishistic to YOU is not the same for the Japanese.

BTW.. A friend living in Japan told me it is illegal to have -in your possession- naked body pictures with a vagina.. or something like that.
Kind of... Technically speaking it is illegal for pornography to show genitalia without some kind of block, usually our friend the mosaic or a simple black bar (Japan has FINALLY allowed pubic hair to be shown). The reality of the situation is far more complex and depends a great deal upon what's going on in the world in relation to Japan (Any time Japan hosts anything major, it cracks down on the pink trade) or current the political situation (AKA, I'm going to clean up *Insert red light district here*), so it fluctuates as to what you can actually show or have. Usually the porn makers push the boundaries and the government lets them get away with it, and then slams back when something happens and the cycle restarts again.

Admittedly, I do not quite remember where I read it, so understandably, I don't necessarily believe it. However, no one can deny the apparent profusion of unusual pornography in Japan as compared to the US and other nations.
Again, you're looking at unusual from your point of view, not the Japanese point of view. I've known some Japanese who have been pretty confused at US porn as well.

*looks up "perverted" and "sexual perversion"*

Given the OP and general trend on this thread, I'll assume that we're referring to sexually perverted. Anyway, here's the problem: to be perverted in this manner, the culture either has to go about it "incorrectly" or in an unusual fashion. Who is to say what is an incorrect or unusual sexual practice? What is the norm? What is the right way to go about it? These are all subjective, cultural things, so the culture cannot be perverted unless something too undeniably wrong (like FGM or rape - and no, in porn doesn't count) is involved.

So I guess a culture in which FGM or rape is an encouraged practice.

When I here the word culture I reach for my sidearm.

I'm all for talking about the debauchery here in America as the next social conservative, but Europe definitely has this place beat. The Netherlands and Germany in particular. The only reason America is ranked number 2 is because of anti-American sentiment. Come on, we all saw EuroTrip.

Tubgirl is not porn.



At least, I hope it's not.

haha you can read about people who like that stuff on wikipedia. awkwarrrrrrrd.

[...]and that the age of consent there is 12, which always seems a strong indicator even if the claims are suspicious. However, I'm simply astounded by the sheer volume of fetishistic or paraphilic porn, and don't see how it could be economically viable to make so much (or to make it at all, really) unless there were huge numbers of consumers for it.The theoretically possible minimum is 13 - however, as its the prefectures who have the last say on the matter, and as these prefectures generally set it significantly above the minimum age, it usually varies between 16- 18, depending on the prefecture (Of course, as usual, adventurous teenagers don't care much about the law).

It is also worth noting that a lot of the Japanese pornography market is caused by the relative repression Japan features in this regard - as a result, desires you cannot hope to fulfill in your 'Normal' life (It's not like they're illegal - just socially unacceptable to a degree that makes the problems, lets say, a spanking enthusiast or submissive man might've if these things become known to his colleagues at work look positively laughable) have to be catered to in another way. In this regard, Japan's - to us - odd pornographic industry is actually indicative of things being quite a bit less 'Interesting' in reality than they are in fiction.

As far as the sheer volume of the fetishistic pornography coming from Japan goes, well, a few things - the Japanese have a very... liberal point of view when it comes to debts, they do actually have considerable budgets available, they've an astoundingly large number of single men (And women), and they've a huge export market (As a rule of thumb, the quality you get from Japan & Korea beats Western productions by about an order of magnitude not just as far as catering to niche markets goes, but also in terms of acting (I'm serious), in terms of the sheer looks of the actors, and so on).

Or so I've heard.

<.<

*sighs* What you are seeing is the hentai problem. People think that hentai is the bulk of anime because that's what they see in the US. Most anime is not hentai, but the bulk of anime stays in Japan and is never seen in the US. Most Porn in Japan is pretty standard non-fetish, but the stuff that sells in the US is... the fetish stuff.

I understand that, but they make highly profitable porn in Japan that simply wouldn't be commercially viable in the US, even with its much larger population. Say what you will, but I really doubt some of the more extreme forms of hentai would make any profit in the US.

They aren't? Well, I keep reading that 40% of Japanese engage in S&M and that the age of consent there is 12, which always seems a strong indicator even if the claims are suspicious. However, I'm simply astounded by the sheer volume of fetishistic or paraphilic porn, and don't see how it could be economically viable to make so much (or to make it at all, really) unless there were huge numbers of consumers for it.

Why do you assume that the 'economic viabiliy' is an internal factor?

What we see in the west is only what we see in the west.. it doesn't necessarily have any relation to what is produced for Japanese consumers.

Also, am I the only person who finds it immensely hypocritical for America to talk about the Lolita fixations of other nations... whilst at the same time embracing 'cheerleaders', which are basically sexually-packaged schoolgirls?

I understand that, but they make highly profitable porn in Japan that simply wouldn't be commercially viable in the US, even with its much larger population. Say what you will, but I really doubt some of the more extreme forms of hentai would make any profit in the US.

I wonder what you mean by 'hentai'? The misappropriated western usage of it to basically mean 'tentacle porn'?

Or do you mean some of the 'fetishy' material... do you maybe think Americans don't like panties? Schoolgirls? Don't have foot fetishes?

I wonder if you can find any statistical (or otherwise) evidence that suggests anything like your assertion that "more extreme forms of hentai would make any profit in the US"... or if it is pure prejudice?

(And before you get bent out of shape by the use of the word prejudice, as others have when I've used it in debate, if you don't think I'm using it appropriately, look it up).

Especially "that" kind. Put you off the choccie bars fer life that would...What, Caddyshack wasn't enough?

I understand that, but they make highly profitable porn in Japan that simply wouldn't be commercially viable in the US, even with its much larger population. Say what you will, but I really doubt some of the more extreme forms of hentai would make any profit in the US.
Which ones? Honestly, I've been in some of the more extreme stores and I didn't find anything that I couldn't or wouldn't find back at home.

I wonder what you mean by 'hentai'? The misappropriated western usage of it to basically mean 'tentacle porn'?

Or do you mean some of the 'fetishy' material... do you maybe think Americans don't like panties? Schoolgirls? Don't have foot fetishes?

I wonder if you can find any statistical (or otherwise) evidence that suggests anything like your assertion that "more extreme forms of hentai would make any profit in the US"... or if it is pure prejudice?

(And before you get bent out of shape by the use of the word prejudice, as others have when I've used it in debate, if you don't think I'm using it appropriately, look it up).

Hentai = animated porn

Also, am I the only person who finds it immensely hypocritical for America to talk about the Lolita fixations of other nations... whilst at the same time embracing 'cheerleaders', which are basically sexually-packaged schoolgirls?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169547/

Root beer is nummy.

Hentai = animated porn

No, hentai is the Japanese word for pervert that has been used in the West as referring to Japanese-made animated pornography when it is really an inappropriate term to use.

And, as someone else said, perverted culture is an oxymoron: by definition, perversion is something which goes against the accepted cultural norm.

No, hentai is the Japanese word for pervert that has been used in the West as referring to Japanese-made animated pornography when it is really an inappropriate term to use.

As far as I am concerned, meaning of a word is derived from its most common usage in the relevant context, ergo my definition was apt.

As far as I am concerned, meaning of a word is derived from its most common usage in the relevant context, ergo my definition was apt.

You were wrong. It's quite simple.

Hentai has it's most common usage, as a native word to the Japanese. You are trying to argue that the western misappropriation by SOME people, somehow overcomes both native usage, and the correct usage by foreigners.

The same sort of people that use 'hentai' to mean porn, also call anime 'japanimation', and use the terms manga and anime as though they were the same.

To pick the most correct usage, would be to pick a meaning referring to 'perversion'. To pick the most common usage, would be to look at the Japanese usage - meaning 'perversion'.

Only if you choose to overlook the native use AND the most correct use, can you arrive at a conclusion that hentai means 'anime porn'. You have to wilfully overlook all correct usage to hold that view... but knock yourself out.

Of course, if I debate the issue with you, I will correct your error every time you make it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169547/

Root beer is nummy.

Great movie. :)

As far as I am concerned, meaning of a word is derived from its most common usage in the relevant context, ergo my definition was apt.
Sorry, but there's at least 125 million folks who would disagree with you. Since I strongly doubt that the number of Western anime fans who use hentai to refer to animated pornography comes anywhere close to the total population of Japan...

Great movie. :)
I don't get as choked up anymore over flicks, but i reacted strongly to a few sequences in it.
I suppose the music helped. :)

Sorry, but there's at least 125 million folks who would disagree with you. Since I strongly doubt that the number of Western anime fans who use hentai to refer to animated pornography comes anywhere close to the total population of Japan...

What is the proper Japanese term for animated pornography? I want to say ecchii but I know that's not correct. (And it's probably misspelled, too.)

Perverted culture?

I'd say, the American culture,... it's a perversion of European culture. And by perversion I mean deviating from it's original.

What is the proper Japanese term for animated pornography? I want to say ecchii but I know that's not correct. (And it's probably misspelled, too.)
Simple, anime. Japan really doesn't have a special term any more than the US does (Think about it, normally they would just be called adult cartoons).

Ecchi (you did spell it right BTW) means lewd, pervert(ed). or sex(y). It's the Japanese pronunciation of H... which is the roman character that starts off hentai.

I'd think the Japanese were the most perverted, simply from what I've heard. That's not to say that the average Japanese is a pervert, but - you get the idea. ;)

Simple, anime. Japan really doesn't have a special term any more than the US does (Think about it, normally they would just be called adult cartoons).

Ecchi (you did spell it right BTW) means lewd, pervert(ed). or sex(y). It's the Japanese pronunciation of H... which is the roman character that starts off hentai.

Ah. Well, thank you for that bit of education and insight into Japanese culture.

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Sorry, but there's at least 125 million folks who would disagree with you. Since I strongly doubt that the number of Western anime fans who use hentai to refer to animated pornography comes anywhere close to the total population of Japan...

I didn't mean to suggest more people world-wide use 'hentai' to mean animated pornography. But in the context that the word had been used in the post that I was referring to originally, it did indeed mean this. I think it's a valid concept and agrees with C. S. Peirce's model of sign and meaning.

Which ones? Honestly, I've been in some of the more extreme stores and I didn't find anything that I couldn't or wouldn't find back at home.

Where in the west can I find videos depicting violent rape of underage-looking girls? Or bestiality, with no attempts to hide the identities of the people involved? Heck, bestiality is illegal in the US and many other countries. What about random people picked up from the street to urinate on a tied up girl? People having sex covered in worms and cockroaches? Running the cockroaches in a blender and then play with and drink that mix? Insertion of live octopi and eels?

Sure, the west has picked up things like bukkake, but they don't go nearly as far as many Japanese ones. They have us all beat. That doesn't mean that the average Japanese is any more perverted than, say, an American, but there are surprisingly large groups of Japanese that do crave all kinds of weird fetish porn.

Errr, the U.S does have its share of bestiality people *points to the story of a horse diddling a guy to death*

Sorry, but there's at least 125 million folks who would disagree with you. Since I strongly doubt that the number of Western anime fans who use hentai to refer to animated pornography comes anywhere close to the total population of Japan...

I'm not denying that the number of people on earth who use hentai to mean 'pervert' is much, much higher than the number who use it to mean animated porn, but in context of my post the definition was completely apt. It doesn't matter that more people think it means one thing than others who think it means another thing; the meaning of a word is defined by the intent of the speaker as far as I'm concerned. And since in the West and more specifically the poster/s I was talking to hentai was and is a word that means animated porn, thus it does mean animated porn, despite what you think.

People having sex covered in worms and cockroaches? Running the cockroaches in a blender and then play with and drink that mix? Insertion of live octopi and eels?


Dude. :eek:
Before the lock ... i've seen the octopi and the eels done.
Never the cockroaches & worms though.

Dude. :eek:
Before the lock ... i've seen the octopi and the eels done.
Never the cockroaches & worms though.

You have much to learn:
*link removed: find it yourself*

You have much to learn: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/horrors-of-porn/bug-eater-prayingmantis.php

I can understand the idea of humping a handful of worms, and i've even have the thought occur to me without much help, but roaches, notsomuch.

I'm kinda :eek: -ing about the imminent threadlock.

I can understand the idea of humping a handful of worms, and i've even have the thought occur to me without much help, but roaches, notsomuch.

I'm kinda :eek: -ing about the imminent threadlock.

You can? :eek: I feel so innocent in comparison

You have much to learn: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/horrors-of-porn/bug-eater-cockroach.php

....................wow. Uhhhh. I have no response.

Errr, the U.S does have its share of bestiality people *points to the story of a horse diddling a guy to death*

My mom-in-law's bf was keen on that, and Pit Bull Terrier stuff. Permeated her computer.
Had to find out why codec stuff kept popping up, and what was on a video playlist (trying to find a music video).
Thusly, little bro-in-law (14 at the time) got a huge eyeful of horses and dogs doing people.

I can understand the idea of humping a handful of worms, and i've even have the thought occur to me without much help, but roaches, notsomuch.

I'm kinda :eek: -ing about the imminent threadlock.

Shit, that didn't occur to me. I won't get banned or something will I? Meh, I'm removing the link.

Shit, that didn't occur to me. I won't get banned or something will I? Meh, I'm removing the link.
And two of us quoted you. :eek:

The mods haven't jumped a lot of anything today, it seems, but the past week or two they've been more on top of that.
I can deal with the concepts and mass perversion, as evidenced by my posthistory, but i tend to hold short from links.
:)

Dude. :eek:
Before the lock ... i've seen the octopi and the eels done.
Never the cockroaches & worms though.

If they'd lock a thread for what I wrote, I could edit it. I just wanted to give some examples of why Japanese porn goes further, and in stranger directions, than probably any other culture's, because it didn't seem like people had any idea that these things existed. Good thing, I guess, that I didn't mention the things that REALLY disturb me...

If they'd lock a thread for what I wrote, I could edit it. I just wanted to give some examples of why Japanese porn goes further, and in stranger directions, than probably any other culture's, because it didn't seem like people had any idea that these things existed. Good thing, I guess, that I didn't mention the things that REALLY disturb me...And you made a good and pretty graphic point, mmhmm! :)

So the things that REALLY disturb you ... anyway to do that without breaking modrules?

And you made a good and pretty graphic point, mmhmm! :)

So the things that REALLY disturb you ... anyway to do that without breaking modrules?

Nah, they're mostly not any more possibly rule-breaking than anything else I wrote. Probably less.

One thing is vomit porn. I just don't get it. And I find it very, very disgusting. I'll leave it up to your imagination what they do with the vomit.

Another is underage gravure. Gravure is modeling in skimpy outfits, typically with a lot of posing and smiling and relaxing music to accompany it. So, it's not porn. But I don't want to know what kind of creeps it is that buys movies where girls below ten years of age, dressed in things like bathing suit or shirt/gym shorts plays around in front the camera. Or who makes them. Or what parents let their children do it. :(

Sorry, but there's at least 125 million folks who would disagree with you. Since I strongly doubt that the number of Western anime fans who use hentai to refer to animated pornography comes anywhere close to the total population of Japan...

And lots of Wewstern anime fans are wary about using words like 'otaku' or 'hentai', just because we realise they are not being used appropriately.

The other poster is mistaking the attempt to make japanese animation a crass commercial crossover, with the actual 'fan' proportion of the Western market.

I don't get as choked up anymore over flicks, but i reacted strongly to a few sequences in it.
I suppose the music helped. :)

I think Thora Birch was very good. Once I got past the 'ah - little girl from Hocus Pocus' hurdle.

I think Thora Birch was very good. Once I got past the 'ah - little girl from Hocus Pocus' hurdle.

...and then, right into the 'ah - little girl from Ghost World' hurdle :eek:

I can attest to that. It is female circumsicion which is the bad type.1. The consequences depend on the type of circumcision.

2. All genital mutilation without consent is equally evil.

Where in the west can I find videos depicting violent rape of underage-looking girls?
Just about any "Teen" video with (pick one or mix and match) Catholic school girls, cheerleaders, naughty teens, etc.

Or bestiality, with no attempts to hide the identities of the people involved? Heck, bestiality is illegal in the US and many other countries.
Er, most beastiality I've ever run across (Admitidly I don't go looking for the stuff) has been US produced.

What about random people picked up from the street to urinate on a tied up girl?
S&M +golden shower. Sorry, been there done that. Saw the vids at Suzzies.

People having sex covered in worms and cockroaches? Running the cockroaches in a blender and then play with and drink that mix? Insertion of live octopi and eels?
You do have me there, namely because I wouldn't even bother going to go look for it.

Sure, the west has picked up things like bukkake, but they don't go nearly as far as many Japanese ones. They have us all beat. That doesn't mean that the average Japanese is any more perverted than, say, an American, but there are surprisingly large groups of Japanese that do crave all kinds of weird fetish porn.
See, that's the problem.. It's not large groups of Japanese. I've been to Aki-town and I've wandered the backstreets. Heck, I LIVE in Japan and I haven't seen this stuff in some of the weirder parts of the country. There's some strange stuff, but it sure as heck ain't mainstream or large groups of Japanese guys.

I'm not denying that the number of people on earth who use hentai to mean 'pervert' is much, much higher than the number who use it to mean animated porn, but in context of my post the definition was completely apt. It doesn't matter that more people think it means one thing than others who think it means another thing; the meaning of a word is defined by the intent of the speaker as far as I'm concerned. And since in the West and more specifically the poster/s I was talking to hentai was and is a word that means animated porn, thus it does mean animated porn, despite what you think.
No, it doesn't. Your 'speaker' might take it to mean such, but that meaning is much mistaken. It would be the same as if I misused a word (ala President Bush), just because I meant to say something else does not make the usage correct. The word does not mean animated porn, it means pervert(ed).

And it's not what I think, it's the Japanese language. If you have an issue with that, take it up with them. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to go through the kanji and history of the word with you.

No, it doesn't. Your 'speaker' might take it to mean such, but that meaning is much mistaken. It would be the same as if I misused a word (ala President Bush), just because I meant to say something else does not make the usage correct. The word does not mean animated porn, it means pervert(ed).

And it's not what I think, it's the Japanese language. If you have an issue with that, take it up with them. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to go through the kanji and history of the word with you.

My point is completely different than claiming that somebody saying "wail" when they mean "mail" means that wail does mean mail, but I've lost interest in this and will agree to disagree. If you're interested though I suggest reading up on the different theories of how meaning is attached to words.

Vatican city.


1) Kinky S&M style torture during the inquisition.
2) World's largest porn archive.
3) Caught diddling kids? Don't worry, just relocate.

Don't forget all-male priesthood. :p

It would be the same as if I misused a word (ala President Bush), just because I meant to say something else does not make the usage correct.

Nukyalur?
Misunderestimated?
Peace?
Mission accomplished?
Decider?

Just about any "Teen" video with (pick one or mix and match) Catholic school girls, cheerleaders, naughty teens, etc.
Yeah. The difference is that in the west, the catholic school girls are the same porn stars we see in every other movie and we know are really 27 years old. And I've yet to see the brutal (though similated of course) rape of them in an American movie.

Er, most beastiality I've ever run across (Admitidly I don't go looking for the stuff) has been US produced.
The point of it wasn't as much the bestiality, it was that it gets boxed up in proper DVD boxes, with a nice cover with the girl and her (stage) name, and sold openly. According to wikipedia at least (yeah, yeah, wikipedia) that would be illegal in the US.

S&M +golden shower. Sorry, been there done that. Saw the vids at Suzzies. With random people? Seriously, I saw the strangest movie a while ago, where they pick up two strangers from the street to urinate in a bowl and have the star of the movie drink it. Then they had managed to gather a whole lot of fat, middle-aged women to urinate on her while they were using vibrators all over her tied up body. This just doesn't happen in the west.

You do have me there, namely because I wouldn't even bother going to go look for it.
I'm not trying to say that Japan is unique in what kind of fetish porn they produce, but rather that they tend to go further than others, and do it in their own, very perverted ways. A movie made in the US might feature squirting during a sex scene. A japanese one I saw had one scene where the two girls sat down, were stimulated, squirted and then a man appeared and measured who squirted the longest. I wish I knew Japanese right then, because they had a lot to say about the results, and there were no subtitles.

See, that's the problem.. It's not large groups of Japanese. I've been to Aki-town and I've wandered the backstreets. Heck, I LIVE in Japan and I haven't seen this stuff in some of the weirder parts of the country. There's some strange stuff, but it sure as heck ain't mainstream or large groups of Japanese guys.

If there is no (comparatively) large group of customers for these movies, how come they're made? And in such quantities? Don't say they're sold mostly outside Japan, because they're plainly not; the studios' websites are almost always only in Japanese, and many web stores refuse to sell to people outside Japan.

My point is completely different than claiming that somebody saying "wail" when they mean "mail" means that wail does mean mail, but I've lost interest in this and will agree to disagree. If you're interested though I suggest reading up on the different theories of how meaning is attached to words.
That's the issue though, the speaker has attached a meaning that misuses that word. It doesn't mean animated porn and if used to refer to such to a speaker of Japanese it will cause misunderstandings the same way that the Japanese tendecy to borrow English words and misuse them as well. The meanings may have changed, but that doesn't mean that they are a correct usage.

Or to put it another way, my students will often say, "Don't mind" after a classmate makes a mistake. The meaning is very different than normal English, but it would cause problems saying that to a native speaker.

Why do you assume that the 'economic viabiliy' is an internal factor?

Economic viability is the cornerstone of market economics, the basis by which businessmen make their decisions. If a product costs more to make than it brings in, the firm making it typically decides to throw it out. Think of how they cancel unpopular television shows and so on. Likewise, no businessman would think of selling a form of pornography that cost more than it brought in, not for any length of time and regardless of their nationality.

Yeah. The difference is that in the west, the catholic school girls are the same porn stars we see in every other movie and we know are really 27 years old. And I've yet to see the brutal (though similated of course) rape of them in an American movie.
I hate to tell you this, but those schoolgirls in the Japanese porn are also well over 18 years old. Underage porn is illegal in Japan as well (And Japan is fnally getting serious about it).

The point of it wasn't as much the bestiality, it was that it gets boxed up in proper DVD boxes, with a nice cover with the girl and her (stage) name, and sold openly. According to wikipedia at least (yeah, yeah, wikipedia) that would be illegal in the US.
Um... you need to read that better. It depends upon the state. States where it's not illegal... Well, you can get it.

With random people? Seriously, I saw the strangest movie a while ago, where they pick up two strangers from the street to urinate in a bowl and have the star of the movie drink it. Then they had managed to gather a whole lot of fat, middle-aged women to urinate on her while they were using vibrators all over her tied up body. This just doesn't happen in the west.
A lot of those folks really aren't random, it's make believe, it's no more real than the "I tricked this woman into having sex with me and filmed it" that you see in the US. Most of the time they are actors and partners within the setting.

I'm not trying to say that Japan is unique in what kind of fetish porn they produce, but rather that they tend to go further than others, and do it in their own, very perverted ways. A movie made in the US might feature squirting during a sex scene. A japanese one I saw had one scene where the two girls sat down, were stimulated, squirted and then a man appeared and measured who squirted the longest. I wish I knew Japanese right then, because they had a lot to say about the results, and there were no subtitles.
Meh... I'm still saying that it isn't mainstream, which is the point.

If there is no (comparatively) large group of customers for these movies, how come they're made? And in such quantities? Don't say they're sold mostly outside Japan, because they're plainly not; the studios' websites are almost always only in Japanese, and many web stores refuse to sell to people outside Japan.
Because they aren't THAT expensive to produce! It's not Titanic by any streach of the imagination. All you need is a camera, a willing girl, and a way to burn disks. All of which can be gotten rather cheaply. I can walk into Tsutaya (Japanese version of Blockbuster or Hollywood Video) and not see any of the more extreme forms. I have to go hunting to find them in Akihabara or Shinjuku and Kabuki-cho, which are the heart of this stuff. I'm not saying it isn't out there, but honestly, when I wander into the adult sections anywhere I'm more likely to find standard stuff. Usually just girl and guy with pretty straitforward sex scenes.

Economic viability is the cornerstone of market economics, the basis by which businessmen make their decisions. If a product costs more to make than it brings in, the firm making it typically decides to throw it out. Think of how they cancel unpopular television shows and so on. Likewise, no businessman would think of selling a form of pornography that cost more than it brought in, not for any length of time and regardless of their nationality.
The point being though that it doesn't take that much money to make. These aren't Hollywood block busters with SFX that cost millions of dollars a peice.

Meh... I'm still saying that it isn't mainstream, which is the point.
Is it? Believe it or not, but I'm fully aware that this isn't mainstream by any stretch of imagination, just as I know that switching on a TV in Japan doesn't give you a constant stream of the wackiest things you see on youtube that's taken from Japanese television.

The point, my point at least, is that Japan seems to produce quite a bit more of the weird stuff than any other country, and I'm really not hearing you disputing this.

German, but only because of the online video in "South Park: Bigger Longer Uncut"

The point, my point at least, is that Japan seems to produce quite a bit more of the weird stuff than any other country, and I'm really not hearing you disputing this.
Well, not knowing the porn output of every other country makes that harder to argue, knowing somewhat os the US makes me dispute that Japan does produce quite a bit more.

The issue I have is that the most extreme stuff from Japan is shown outside of Japan and people tend to think of that as a good representation of the whole of Japan instead of a smaller segment. This is orientalism in action, the "Weird Japan". Japan does have its strange side, quite a bit of it, but I would hold that it isn't all THAT much stranger than the US. Hell, some of my stories from home makes the Japanese think that we are all quite weird.

I hate to tell you this, but those schoolgirls in the Japanese porn are also well over 18 years old. Underage porn is illegal in Japan as well (And Japan is fnally getting serious about it).
So does that mean they are eliminating lolicon as well, or does this only target the live-action stuff? (Which is the stuff that should be banned.)

So does that mean they are eliminating lolicon as well, or does this only target the live-action stuff? (Which is the stuff that should be banned.)
As with all things Japan, it's complicated. Right now they have adjusted the laws to make making, distrabution, and ownership of child pornography (which is considered any underage child in sexual situations) illegal.

The key word is sexual. There's a lot of wiggle room in that people are taking advantage of.

Having said that, the whole lolicon thing is a bit overblown and has to do more with some very conservative notions about women (which are very slowly changing) and the weird 'No pubic hair' law which more or less required AV stars to not show how old they were.

As with all things Japan, it's complicated. Right now they have adjusted the laws to make making, distrabution, and ownership of child pornography (which is considered any underage child in sexual situations) illegal.

The key word is sexual. There's a lot of wiggle room in that people are taking advantage of.
Right...so that's a no, then.

Having said that, the whole lolicon thing is a bit overblown and has to do more with some very conservative notions about women (which are very slowly changing) and the weird 'No pubic hair' law which more or less required AV stars to not show how old they were.
That would explain that really odd set of doujins I came across while doing some research on Japanese animated porn that was basically all about various shots of women with obvious pubic hair. :confused:

Because they aren't THAT expensive to produce! It's not Titanic by any streach of the imagination.

A Titanic porno... Brilliant!

The characters and plot will suck as much as the overpriced film!

A Titanic porno... Brilliant!

The characters and plot will suck as much as the overpriced film!

Well, that depends...are we talking about porn involving the people on the ship, or the ship itself?

Right...so that's a no, then.
That's more a... maybe, depends on the police in the area and if they really feel like it along with how much heat Japan is getting at the time for child porn.

That would explain that really odd set of doujins I came across while doing some research on Japanese animated porn that was basically all about various shots of women with obvious pubic hair. :confused:
During the 70's-80's there are one AV actress who grew underarm hair for ONE arm, she was considered very errotic at the time due to the prohibition on pubic/body hair (and no, I am not making this up). There's a mindset even today that drawing in the hair really elevates something into the extreme.

A Titanic porno... Brilliant!

The characters and plot will suck as much as the overpriced film!
Oh dear God! I've created a monster!

Well, that depends...are we talking about porn involving the people on the ship, or the ship itself?

http://i11.tinypic.com/54apw7c.gif

I think we could make something work out well for both groups.

That's more a... maybe, depends on the police in the area and if they really feel like it along with how much heat Japan is getting at the time for child porn.
Ah. Well, whatever the case, I'm sure plenty of filesharing sites will distribute the stuff nonetheless...


During the 70's-80's there are one AV actress who grew underarm hair for ONE arm, she was considered very errotic at the time due to the prohibition on pubic/body hair (and no, I am not making this up). There's a mindset even today that drawing in the hair really elevates something into the extreme.
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How odd. But, it also makes sense. Whatever is taboo or rare tends to attract people more. I, for instance, have been exposed to large-breasted women most of my life so I find large breasts disgusting and prefer smaller breasts.

...

Maybe it's not the same thing, but I'm pretty sure that's a good analogy, right?

How odd. But, it also makes sense. Whatever is taboo or rare tends to attract people more.

Just like Iran's thriving dvd/cd porn black market...

One thing is vomit porn. I just don't get it. And I find it very, very disgusting. I'll leave it up to your imagination what they do with the vomit.I remember some of it. They picked through it and found choice bits to do things with.

Another is underage gravure. Gravure is modeling in skimpy outfits, typically with a lot of posing and smiling and relaxing music to accompany it. So, it's not porn. But I don't want to know what kind of creeps it is that buys movies where girls below ten years of age, dressed in things like bathing suit or shirt/gym shorts plays around in front the camera. Or who makes them. Or what parents let their children do it. :(I ain't even the *least* bit titillated by that kind of thing. I don't understand, i guess, how anyone else can be. It's not bizarre as an image, it's bizarre as a situation. Bizarre images fascinate me, for sake of wrapping my understanding or cognitive displacement around/through them, but gravure itself is useless to me, since it's just disproportionate and ill-fitting.
*shrug*

Or underage drinking/smoking in the U.S., or marijuana smoking, or prostitutes, or what have you. It's illegal/taboo/restricted, so there's the extra thrill that makes it even better.

Though the Iranian one is funnier.

EDIT: My first time warp! Now that I have had a time warp I feel like I am finally an acceptable part of NSG.

Let's do the time warp again...

Just like Iran's thriving dvd/cd porn black market...

Or underage drinking/smoking in the U.S., or marijuana smoking, or prostitutes, or what have you. It's illegal/taboo/restricted, so there's the extra thrill that makes it even better.

but gravure itself is useless to me, since it's just disproportionate and ill-fitting.
*shrug*

Personally, I think that's one of their better inventions. Not the underage stuff, of course, which is about the creepiest thing I've ever seen. Filming the cameltoe on a seven-year-old? *shivers*

Gravure of course relies on a pretty woman who knows how to act naturally in front of a camera to be good. Just like with everything else, most is crap, but when you find a good one you've struck gold. What's not to like about a pretty girl doing nice things?

I'm hoping the ISO of Sayuri Ohtomo I'm currently downloading will be worth it. She's really cute, but you can never be sure how it'll work out in video form until you've seen it.

Personally, I think that's one of their better inventions. Not the underage stuff, of course, which is about the creepiest thing I've ever seen. Filming the cameltoe on a seven-year-old? *shivers*

Gravure of course relies on a pretty woman who knows how to act naturally in front of a camera to be good. Just like with everything else, most is crap, but when you find a good one you've struck gold. What's not to like about a pretty girl doing nice things?

I'm hoping the ISO of Sayuri Ohtomo I'm currently downloading will be worth it. She's really cute, but you can never be sure how it'll work out in video form until you've seen it.I'd meant the underage aspect. Not my bag.
So how about "Calendar Girls"?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337909/

The point being though that it doesn't take that much money to make. These aren't Hollywood block busters with SFX that cost millions of dollars a peice.

Ah, but how does that account for cases like the Urotsukidouji OVAs, which clearly made quite a profit since they spawned several sequels, and which span almost three hours or something? The creators surely would have expended a lot of money for something that long and with that amount of detail. It's not as though they film such porn with home movie cameras in cramped make-shift studios with a small group of friends or something. I know a major commercial project when I see it.

Yeah. The difference is that in the west, the catholic school girls are the same porn stars we see in every other movie and we know are really 27 years old.so..
when you see a picture of someone.. you can guess her age?

heck.. sometimes Its difficult to guess even if the girl is in front of you.

Ah, but how does that account for cases like the Urotsukidouji OVAs, which clearly made quite a profit since they spawned several sequels, and which span almost three hours or something? The creators surely would have expended a lot of money for something that long and with that amount of detail. It's not as though they film such porn with home movie cameras in cramped make-shift studios with a small group of friends or something. I know a major commercial project when I see it.
Still not all that expensive when compared to a major motion picture.

The point being Letila, it's still not all that mainstreme. Look, if you walk into the adult section of a Japanese video store, you'll find the naughty tenticles, but that's more dealing with anime (which goes for distance anyway given that it can), but the bulk of what you're going to see is plain, straight forward porn. Heck, most of the anime porn is pretty straight forward. Some of the more extreme examples that have been listed here are a little hard to find without hunting (Actually, I think you'd have to hunt Aki-Town to find Urotsukidouji).

Awwww, but I wanted be keep my stereotype of Japanese culture.

At least I can keep the Japanese Tourist stereotype *Does something that is considered a stereotype of Aus culture*.

perversion itself is in the eye of the beholder to some extent. i would define perversion as the degree of tolerance, not for unusual sexual preferances, but for the causing of suffering and the conditions that cause suffering.

on that basis, of the options listed, i would have to say my own america, and that japan, from what little i know of it, and yes, i'm quite familiar with what the backwardheadedness of the dominant culture in america CALLS its, and other places', "perversion", isn't even in the running, when it comes to perversion at all. if anything, it is one of the few remaining bastions of the minimum of it. again of course, that is on the basis of how i would define perversion, NOT as is appearantly popular to in the u.s.

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