NationStates Jolt Archive

How do you run a workplace with unmarried and unrelated men and women working side by side? Not very easily, if you're a strict Muslim.


But there's a work-around.

You get the women to breast-feed the men. This (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/world/middleeast/12fatwa.html?_r=3&hp=&oref&oref=slogin&oref=slogin) isn't from the Onion, so it may be true. The urine thing just doesn't click at all, though.


CAIRO, June 11 — First came the breast-feeding fatwa. It declared that the Islamic restriction on unmarried men and women being together could be lifted at work if the woman breast-fed her male colleagues five times, to establish family ties. Then came the urine fatwa. It said that drinking the urine of the Prophet Muhammad was deemed a blessing.

For the past few weeks, the breast-feeding and urine fatwas have proved a source of national embarrassment in Egypt, not least because they were issued by representatives of the highest religious authorities in the land.


Now why was it the Muslims were all pissed off over some cartoons? Seems like they just bend over backwards to provide even more material.

Okay, religion has no place in the workplace. Christian bullshit doesn't have a place in the workplace, neither does Muslim bullshit. End of story.

Muslim thing or egyptian thing?

Muslim thing or egyptian thing?

Egyptian Muslim thing. Egyptian Muslim thing forced upon Egyptian Muslims by theocrats with political influence.

Makes me wonder... whatever those Egyptian mullahs are into it must be something kinky.:eek:

Okay, religion has no place in the workplace. Christian bullshit doesn't have a place in the workplace, neither does Muslim bullshit. End of story.

::is wondering exactly what "Christian Bullshit" Zarakon feels is comparable to breast feeding co-workers and urine fatwahs::
:confused:

::is wondering exactly what "Christian Bullshit" Zarakon feels is comparable to breast feeding co-workers and urine fatwahs::
:confused:

Constant, 24/7 spewing of hatred towards many groups.

Constant, 24/7 spewing of hatred towards many groups.

Even Fred Phelps doesn't advocate breastfeeding of adult men, or drinking urine.

Egyptian Muslim thing. Egyptian Muslim thing forced upon Egyptian Muslims by theocrats with political influence.

Almost. Correct answer: Neither, really.

Sheik Ali issued the urine fatwa, now notorious, in a book, “Religion and Life.” It was published six years ago and told the story of a woman who drank the prophet’s urine. He had his own book taken off the shelves, and said the controversial statement was not a fatwa but his opinion, which was offered in response to a question.
“Breast-feeding an adult puts an end to the problem of the private meeting, and does not ban marriage,” wrote the scholar, Izat Atiyah. “A woman at work can take off the veil or reveal her hair in front of someone whom she breast-fed.”

The ruling was mocked on satellite television shows around the region, and was quickly condemned at home. Mr. Atiyah was suspended from his job, mocked in newspapers and within days issued a retraction, saying it was a “bad interpretation of a particular case.”

Good article on the problem of over-producing fatwas though. Too bad it only focused on Egypt, and not go into the "unathorized" fatwas of Bin Laden & Co. But I guess that's another story.

Well, I am thirsty..

*converts*

meh, no more silly than coming up with other loopholes for other faiths.

Even Fred Phelps doesn't advocate breastfeeding of adult men, or drinking urine.

Umm...

Yeah...

Who cares? It's just silly advice I bet 90% of Muslims won't follow. It's no less creepy then the belief that communion wafers and wine turn to actually flesh and blood just before consumption. In fact, in my opinion, it's significantly less creepy.

Umm...

Yeah...

Who cares? It's just silly advice I bet 90% of Muslims won't follow. It's no less creepy then the belief that communion wafers and wine turn to actually flesh and blood just before consumption. In fact, in my opinion, it's significantly less creepy.

Most Christians don't believe in transubstantiation.

Apparently, the guy who wrote the fatwa still defends it, and includes piss, shit, spit, and anything else that came from the body of the Prophet as holy and pure.

I don't see any Christian literature that says that the Apostles ate the shit of Jesus...

Even Fred Phelps doesn't advocate breastfeeding of adult men, or drinking urine.

and even osama bin laden doesn't advocate cannibalism or drinking the blood of your god.

What's your point?

Umm...

Yeah...

Who cares? It's just silly advice I bet 90% of Muslims won't follow. It's no less creepy then the belief that communion wafers and wine turn to actually flesh and blood just before consumption. In fact, in my opinion, it's significantly less creepy.

Are you kidding? Cannibalism is the only reason I still go to church. :p

I'm confused, are they talking about drinking Prophet Muhammad’s urine?

He's been dead for over a thousand years :confused:

and even osama bin laden doesn't advocate cannibalism or drinking the blood of your god.

What's your point?

Only the Catholics advocate transubstantiation. What's your point?

Most Christians don't believe in transubstantiation.

And most muslims don't believe that mohammad's urine was holy. Again, what's your point?

I don't see any Christian literature that says that the Apostles ate the shit of Jesus...

I see plenty of christian literature that says that we should eat his flesh and drink his blood though. I fail to see the difference.

Most Christians don't believe in transubstantiation.

And most muslims probably don't believe that drinking prophet piss is a holy act.

Hey...Prophet Piss would be a good name for either a band or an energy drink...

Hey...So was Jesus like morbidly obese, or what? I mean, you'd think he'd run out of flesh and blood by now.

Only the Catholics advocate transubstantiation. What's your point?

that only a subgroup of christians advocate transubstantiation and only a subgroup of muslims advocate that the prophet's bodily fluid was holy.

Again I don't see how that is any different.

I'm confused, are they talking about drinking Prophet Muhammad’s urine?

He's been dead for over a thousand years :confused:

An excellent question:

Who actually saved some? :confused:

Most Christians don't believe in transubstantiation.


Most Muslims don't believe in the stuff in that article

And most muslims don't believe that mohammad's urine was holy. Again, what's your point?

I see plenty of christian literature that says that we should eat his flesh and drink his blood though. I fail to see the difference.

Catholic literature. Not any Protestant literature, that's for sure.

So you won't see Fred Phelps arguing to eat Christ.

It makes him seem far more reasonable (in fact, it makes Jerry Falwell's church seem reasonable by comparison).

You can't paint Protestants with the brush of urine, shit, and nose pickings.

Apparently, Muslims are bound to believe a fatwa. If they don't, they're in trouble.

Which brings up the fact that apparently, some imam came up with the bright idea that maybe, just maybe, the imams should all agree on a fatwa before someone opens his yap and says they should eat the shit of the Prophet.

Apparently, Muslims are bound to believe a fatwa. If they don't, they're in trouble.

According to the catholic church, people are bound to believe catholic dogma or they go to hell.

As typical for you RO, big on rhetoric, short on brains.

Catholic literature. Not any Protestant literature, that's for sure.


Don't the Episcopalians believe that?

As far as I know, quite a few protestant churches have communion. Methodists do, at least at the place I was subjected to...

You can't paint Protestants with the brush of urine, shit, and nose pickings.

But you can paint Muslims with the same brush

I'm doing this in real life > :headbang:

Don't the Episcopalians believe that?

As far as I know, quite a few protestant churches have communion. Methodists do, at least at the place I was subjected to...

Yes, to communion. No, to transubstantiation (which is the blood and flesh thing).

If you went to church, you would know this.

Apparently, the guy who wrote the fatwa still defends it
The guy who said that it wasn't a fatwa?

Don't the Episcopalians believe that?

As far as I know, quite a few protestant churches have communion. Methodists do, at least at the place I was subjected to...

For them, it's representative. They're approximating the last supper but never claim that it becomes the literal blood and body of Christ. Interestingly enough, A catholic can receive communion at an Episcopalian church, but an episcopalian can't receive communion at a Catholic church.

Damn you RO beating me to the punch.

The guy who said that it wasn't a fatwa?

Yes. He's gone back and forth over the past few days, defending it and not defending it.

Get out and read more.

Yes. He's gone back and forth over the past few days, defending it and not defending it.

Get out and read more.
Why? Nobody really cares about it anyway.

And I'm sure you can back that up...

Not a good title for the thread, seeing as how probably .0000001% of the whole Muslim population practices this.

Still... that's REALLY fucked up.

I still want to know where they get the urine from

I don't see any Christian literature that says that the Apostles ate the shit of Jesus...

They sprouted enough of it not to have to eat any.

Most Christians don't believe in transubstantiation.

Most Christians are Roman Catholics (1.1 billion of 2 billion Christians). Catholics do believe in transubstantiation. Add to that the other churches that also do so (Eastern Catholic, Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East). Thus, most Christians do indeed believe in it.

Most Christians are Catholics (1.1 billion of 2 billion Christians). Catholics do believe in transubstantiation. Thus, most Christians do indeed believe in it.

Most Christians over here are not Catholics, and do not believe in transubstantiation.

They sprouted enough of it not to have to eat any.

QFT

if people keep making threads and posts generalizing all Muslims I’m going to make a thread about how all Christians are racist and screwed up Africa and South America (slavery, genocide, destroying native cultures)

Not to mention cathlics and protestants killing each other and blowing up abortion clinics

Only the Catholics advocate transubstantiation. What's your point?

Oh you mean the LARGEST sect of Christianity in fact do they not hold majority status?

Most Christians over here are not Catholics, and do not believe in transubstantiation.

Over where? not the USA RC has a majority status over here I believe they are by far the largest

Most Christians over here are not Catholics, and do not believe in transubstantiation.

That's not what you wrote. You wrote that "most Christians" don't believe in transubstantiation, and that is patently false and if you continue to claim it, a shameless lie. Most Christians do believe in it. I don't give a fuck that most where you live don't (where ever that is), because worldwide you are a minority among Christians.

Over where? not the USA RC has a majority status over here I believe they are by far the largest

Apparently not anymore. Bigger than any *single* church, but not bigger than Protestantism collectively.

If you're going to count heads for transubstantiation, it's a minority in the US.

Apparently not anymore. Bigger than any *single* church, but not bigger than Protestantism collectively.

If you're going to count heads for transubstantiation, it's a minority in the US.

Seems to be going the other way actually ....



From 1972 to 1993, the General Social Survey of the National Opinion Research Center found that Protestants constituted about 63% of the population. This declined to 52% in 2002. Protestants are believed to have slipped to a minority position between 2004 and 2006. 11


http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm

Seems to be going the other way actually ....

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm

Yes. You should see the figures for Protestantism in Africa and Central and South America though.

The Catholic Church is dying.

So that's a "no" I take it...

*Stays in to read more*

An excellent question:

Who actually saved some? :confused:

Not me, I definitely haven't got any, and if you searched my basement you certainly wouldn't find barrels full of prophetic urine, stacked in chronological order...








:eek:

I've said too much!

*flees thread*

So that's a "no" I take it...

*Stays in to read more*

So that's a Protestants are still a majority... who don't believe in eating Christ.

So that's a Protestants are still a majority... who don't believe in eating Christ.

And most Christians still do believe in eating Christ. Is it so hard for you to admit you lied?

And most Christians still do believe in eating Christ. Is it so hard for you to admit you lied?

I'll take a few slices off the flank. :)

Constant, 24/7 spewing of hatred towards many groups.

:rolleyes:

painting with a rather broad brush, are we?

(and what job has people working 24/7 that they COULD do that?)

So that's a Protestants are still a majority... who don't believe in eating Christ.

Nono, I was talking about the link you've forgotten to find :)

Nono, I was talking about the link you've forgotten to find :)
Someone else in the thread already found a link with percentages.

Someone else in the thread already found a link with percentages.

So, you're still not going to admit that you lied?

So, you're still not going to admit that you lied?

The link showed that Protestants are a majority in the US, as I said.

Someone else in the thread already found a link with percentages.

Nono, the On-topic link that proved that it was a Fatwa, and that the guy writing the book six years ago had gone back and forth and still defended his fatwa to this day despite saying a short time ago that it wasn't a fatwa, but only his opinion. I'll wait :)

And most Christians still do believe in eating Christ. Is it so hard for you to admit you lied?

Jesus H. Christ Fass! Give the guy a break. In the US, Protestants have historically been the majority group of not only Christianity, but of the entire field of religions. If you look at what he said in the context of the US (which is invariably what RO cares about) he didn't lie.

Upward Thrust, I think you might want to look at your numbers and analyze the data a little more. Protestants are converting to Catholicism, they're losing religion entirely.

The link showed that Protestants are a majority in the US, as I said.

Don't play (?) dumb with me. You lied when you said that most Christians do not believe in transubstantiation, and you're still refusing to admit that most Christians do believe in it.

Jesus H. Christ Fass! Give the guy a break.

No, because he's a liar.

In the US, Protestants have historically been the majority group of not only Christianity, but of the entire field of religions. If you look at what he said in the context of the US (which is invariably what RO cares about) he didn't lie.

That's not what he wrote. He wrote: "Most Christians do not believe in transubstantiation." He lied. Outright.

Don't play (?) dumb with me. You lied when you said that most Christians do not believe in transubstantiation, and you're still refusing to admit it that most Christians do believe in it.

I don't believe most Christians believe it. Certainly not in the US, as the link proved.

Certainly no longer in Central or South America, where Protestants now outnumber Catholics.

No Protestant believes it.

No, because he's a liar.



That's not what he wrote. He wrote: "Most Christians do not believe in transubstantiation." He lied. Outright.

You're a liar Fass, he never wrote anything. He typed! Liar liar pants on fire!:rolleyes:

Now after that, have we really gotten anywhere?

No, because he's a liar.

That's not what he wrote. He wrote: "Most Christians do not believe in transubstantiation." He lied. Outright.

Most Christians in the US, Central and South America, and Africa don't believe in transubstantiation.

I can't speak for Sweden, because their church doesn't even pass for a religion.

:rolleyes:

painting with a rather broad brush, are we?


That was the point. The people I were refuting were acting as though all Muslim's attitudes were predictable by what a small minority says, and my statement was meant to point out that it's stupid to do so.

I don't believe most Christians believe it.

You are wrong - the figures and facts that show that a majority of Christians belong to denominations that believe in transubstantiation - that preach it as a dogma, and consider the denial of it anathema - prove you wrong. And you continue to refuse to accept it, but instead squirm like a worm with irrelevant data about the USA and Latin America.

Certainly no longer in Central or South America, where Protestants now outnumber Catholics.

You lie again. Catholics outnumber Protestants in Latin America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Catholic_population.png). When will you stop?

No Protestant believes it.

You lie, again. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation#Anglicanism)

Most Christians in the US,

Which is not what you what you wrote. You lied about all Christians.

Central and South America,

Again you lie. Most people in those places are Roman Catholic.

Now after that, have we really gotten anywhere?

Business as usual.

I don't believe most Christians believe it. Certainly not in the US, as the link proved.

Certainly no longer in Central or South America, where Protestants now outnumber Catholics.

No Protestant believes it.

The bolded claim is wrong. Protestants make up a tiny percent of the Latin American population.

http://www.providence.edu/las/Statistics.htm#tab7

EDIT: Beaten to it by the doctor...

The bolded claim is wrong. Protestants make up a tiny percent of the Latin American population.

http://www.providence.edu/las/Statistics.htm#tab7

Sorry, not the stats I've been seeing myself at church.

Sorry, not the stats I've been seeing myself at church.

So, you won't even admit to your new lie?

Sorry, not the stats I've been seeing myself at church.

Show them

Sorry, not the stats I've been seeing myself at church.

Perhaps you were looking at statistics comparing the rise of different religions rather than number of believers, as many Protestant movements are growing rapidly in Latin America, while the RC is waning in power.

The link showed that Protestants are a majority in the US, as I said.

No you first said that most Christians don't believe in transubstantiation, then you found out that you were wrong and moved the goalposts to just the united states ... which I showed to be wrong as well (Catholics are believed to have taken over the majority between 2004 and 2006)

And even if they were not a technical majority (though they are as shown over and over) what it shows about your original point is still valid that over a billion Christians in this world believe they are eating the flesh of their god and that is personally more disturbing then sucking on a breast for purification

Sorry, not the stats I've been seeing myself at church.

Yeah because some idiot sitting in church is a real valid statistical sampling method :rolleyes: This is even more bullshit then usual

Hey...So was Jesus like morbidly obese, or what? I mean, you'd think he'd run out of flesh and blood by now.
He wasn't obese. He was/is just a giant cancerous tumor that grows back as quick as you can cut bits out.
mmmm....taste that meaty cancerous goodness. The flavour grows on you!

So, you won't even admit to your new lie?
Fass - haven't you learned by now? No-one ever admits to lying on the internet because no-one ever lies on the internet. We all just misinterpret or misquote what they're saying.

typical interweb interaction:
"The sky is purple!"
F: "no, it's not. It's blue. Why do you think it's purple?"
"I never said it was purple"
F: "yes you did, you liar!"
"No I didn't! stop misinterpreting what I said! lalalalalalala I can't hear you!"
F: "look, here's your exact words: 'The sky is purple!'."
"lalalalala. Stop misquoting me! I meant purply-bluey-thing."
F: "But that's not what you said."
"lalalalalalala. Statistics (pulledfrommybutt. com) show it is purple."
F: "but it isn't"
"You just hate Protestants, don't you?"
F: "I give up"
"Ha! I win!"

Fass - haven't you learned by now? No-one ever admits to lying on the internet because no-one ever lies on the internet. We all just misinterpret or misquote what they're saying.

typical interweb interaction:
"The sky is purple!"
F: "no, it's not. It's blue. Why do you think it's purple?"
"I never said it was purple"
F: "yes you did, you liar!"
"No I didn't! stop misinterpreting what I said! lalalalalalala I can't hear you!"
F: "look, here's your exact words: 'The sky is purple!'."
"lalalalala. Stop misquoting me! I meant purply-bluey-thing."
F: "But that's not what you said."
"lalalalalalala. Statistics (pulledfrommybutt. com) show it is purple."
F: "but it isn't"
"You just hate Protestants, don't you?"
F: "I give up"
"Ha! I win!"

It...um...it actually is purple. Our eyes are just more sensitive to the blue wavelengths.

It...um...it actually is purple. Our eyes are just more sensitive to the blue wavelengths.
Stop misquoting me!!!!

I don't believe most Christians believe it. Certainly not in the US, as the link proved.

I was under the impression that Baptists and non-denominational churches were the only major groups that rejected the whole eating Jesus thing.

Kimchi might not believe that wafer and wine literally turns into flesh and blood, but as a Pentecostal doesn't he pray to Cardboard Dubya constantly to turn the United States into a "Christian Nation?"

That and his (North) Korean claims would explain his propensity to worship Dear Leader though.

"Man cannot live on bread alone, but [insert whatever appeals to you/makes your point]."


Fatwa is such a funny word.
Fatwa... ha... you are all a bunch of fatwas.
I should use this in a common conversation...
"Ahem, can you please pass the salt, and some of that Fatwa?"