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Oh, a petition!

Or maybe not...

Go to the CAIR website. On the left sidebar, click on "Challenging Hate", and then select "Not In The Name Of Islam" Campaign.

You'll see this:

http://www.cair.com/default.asp?page=notislampetition

I guess they don't have a problem with anything currently going on in the name of Islam...

That's a lovely blank page ya got there.

Oh, a petition!

Or maybe not...

Go to the CAIR website. On the left sidebar, click on "Challenging Hate", and then select "Not In The Name Of Islam" Campaign.

You'll see this:

http://www.cair.com/default.asp?page=notislampetition

I guess they don't have a problem with anything currently going on in the name of Islam...

No doubt proof of a vast anti-american conspiracy.

Hey! What's this shit? They don't hate christians? Everyone knows that every single Christian on the planet earth is an abortion clinic bombing, stem-cell research opponent, homosexual lynching, cross burning, cross loving, arrogant jerk hopped up on jesus juice.

Now do you see why it's silly to act like it's a religion that causes a lot of problems? The religion just makes it easier to convince people to commit crimes.

No doubt proof of a vast anti-american conspiracy.

No.

It's proof that CAIR doesn't have a problem with any terrorist activites around the world done in the name of Islam.

And this is........?

News Releases
Thursday, July 28, 2005
CAIR backs Fatwa against Terror
English, Arabic, Urdu radio anti-terror PSAs released

(Washington, D.C., 7/28/05) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today offered its support for a fatwa, or Islamic religious ruling, against terrorism and extremism issued by the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) and endorsed by more than 120 U.S. Muslim groups, leaders and institutions. (The term "fiqh" refers to Islamic jurisprudence.) The fatwa, released during a news conference this morning at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., states in part:

"Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians' life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram – or forbidden - and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not martyrs ... In the light of the teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah we clearly and strongly state: 1. All acts of terrorism targeting civilians are haram (forbidden) in Islam. 2. It is haram for a Muslim to cooperate with any individual or group that is involved in any act of terrorism or violence. 3. It is the civic and religious duty of Muslims to cooperate with law enforcement authorities to protect the lives of all civilians. We issue this fatwa following the guidance of our scripture, the Qur’an, and the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad – peace be upon him."

http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1675&theType=NR

And this is........?

Obviously, very old news from 2005.

The link I posted is their current view on "Not In The Name of Islam"

A fucking blank.

No.

It's proof that CAIR doesn't have a problem with any terrorist activites around the world done in the name of Islam.

A blank page, which could well be a technical issue?

Troll troll is trolling.

A blank page, which could well be a technical issue?

Troll troll is trolling.

Apparently it's not a technical issue. It's been like that for months.

http://www.kscakes.com/LolCats/LolCatRenderer2.aspx?top=I'M+ON+UR+INTERNETZ&bottom=DUMBING+UR+BRAINZ!!1!&size=60&imagename=Cat+with+too+much+time.jpg&front=%23FFFFFF&back=%23000000&opacity=255&fontfamily=Impact&dropshadow=False&outline=True&motivational=False&bold=False&underline=False&italic=False&imagesize=default&topalign=Left&bottomalign=Right

Apparently it's not a technical issue. It's been like that for months.


And you ignore the "Fatwa on Terror" because......?

People, don't bother defending CAIR. They're just as dodgy as sheik al-Hilaly here in Aus.

Obviously, very old news from 2005.

The link I posted is their current view on "Not In The Name of Islam"

A fucking blank.

Or they just haven't fot the petition together yet.

But that's not good trolling, amirite?

And you ignore the "Fatwa on Terror" because......?

Because it's old news.

Obviously they don't have the petition they claim to have in the menu, and probably never did.

Oh, and CAIR doesn't really represent Muslims the way they claim (and the way news organizations claim). They are a small number of people financed by a handful of rich Arabs.

It's obviously a front organization.

Their claims:

Other civil rights organizations effectively advocate on behalf of their constituents, in part, because they have a large membership base. The ACLU has over 400,000 members and donors. The NAACP has over 500,000 members. These members give strength and respect to their organizations. It is simple - when a congressman, media, or any group, know that CAIR has a large membership base, they quickly respond to our needs and address our concerns.

For the past decade, CAIR has been working hard to defend the rights of Muslims in the U.S. and Canada and in promoting understanding. Since we opened our doors in 1994, CAIR has grown into the largest mainstream Muslim civil rights and advocacy group in America. There are over 30 CAIR chapters nationwide and in Canada helping to protect the civil rights of Muslims all around North America and helping to promote a good understanding of Islam.

Their actual membership:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070611-034232-5919r.htm

According to tax documents obtained by The Times, the number of reported members spiraled down from more than 29,000 in 2000 to less than 1,700 in 2006, a loss of membership that caused the Muslim rights group's annual income from dues to drop from $732,765 in 2000, when yearly dues cost $25, to $58,750 last year, when the group charged $35.
The organization instead is relying on about two dozen individual donors a year to contribute the majority of the money for CAIR's budget, which reached nearly $3 million last year.

An inspection of CAIR’s most recent publicly available IRS Form 990 (2004) shows for that year they received $119,029 in membership dues for that year (line 3). But at $25 per membership (the current rate is $35), that would mean that in 2004, CAIR only had 4,761 dues-paying members – less than 5,000 members out of 8 million Muslims in America. This would mean that CAIR only represents 1 out of every 1,680 Muslims. Even if a lower 6 million Muslim population figure were assumed, CAIR would still only be able to claim representation for 1 out of every 1,260 Muslims for that year.

Anyone can get a copy of the IRS Form 990 for this organization.

It puts CAIR on the same level as the University of Texas Longhorn Band, in terms of membership.

Or they just haven't fot the petition together yet.

But that's not good trolling, amirite?

They have had their website petition in that condition for over six months.

It's not trolling if it's true.

They didn't even have any obligation to even make that page. You're trying to insinuate they're terrorists because they have a blank page on a site? Or because they don't spend every fucking waking moment yelling "I'm not at their side" whenever a terrorist blows something up? Did YOU yell "I'm not at their side" every waking moment through the Gitmo and Abu Ghraib scandals? You didn't. You have no right to demand the same from Muslims. But you try to anyways in order to further your hate-filled agenda. Are you white? You'll now have to spend every waking moment yelling out "the KKK didn't do it in my name" or else you're a hypocrite. Are you black? "I don't support slave trade in Africa" it is. Russian? "I don't support Kosovo.". Every. Waking. Moment. Or else you're "not condemning them enough" and, thus, condoning them.

By YOUR thought process. Remember, if you don't spend your life condemning atrocities done by other people, you agree with them.

Grow up, I-can't-believe-it's-not-Kimchi. This kind of hat trick doesn't work anymore.

When will I ever get a respectable opponent?

People, don't bother defending CAIR. They're just as dodgy as sheik al-Hilaly here in Aus.

They, nay, the WORLD, must be defended from the likes of you.

That blank page is the worldwide stance of the Islamofascist conspiracy!

Once again, you're distorting what I'm saying by posting bullshit.

I'm saying that CAIR is a fake front organization with scant membership, with no real intention of opposing terrorism, and certainly not putting up the petition they claim to have put up over six months ago.

They have had their website petition in that condition for over six months.

It's not trolling if it's true.

That blank page is the worldwide stance of the Islamofascist conspiracy!

Once again, you're distorting what I'm saying by posting bullshit.

I'm saying that CAIR is a fake front organization with scant membership, with no real intention of opposing terrorism, and certainly not putting up the petition they claim to have put up over six months ago.

Oh my God! They don't spend every waking moment excusing themselves for the actions of others! They must condone them! :eek:

Yawn.

time warps are cool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations

Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant, he said. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth. - Omar Ahmad, CAIR co-founder.

Once again, RO proves that if it's not on the internet, it doesn't exist.

http://www.kscakes.com/LolCats/Uploads/Saved/this-thread-is-worthless.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations

Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant, he said. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth. - Omar Ahmad, CAIR co-founder.

From the very page you quote:

"...the Council on American-Islamic Relations has received public recognition and endorsement by prominent public figures, including President George W. Bush and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi..."

and

"CAIR claims that Ahmad was misquoted by a local newspaper and has requested a retraction which the paper has refused to do."

Now either fight well or get out of the battlefield, kiddo.

I say we find all the radical fringe Muslims and Christians and cannibalize them, and then this country will be better :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PUQATCcQ0A

edit: I'm not talking about moderate Christians or Muslims

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations

Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant, he said. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth. - Omar Ahmad, CAIR co-founder.

Do you really want me to dig up the incredibly long list of Christians who've said the same shit? Do you?


Before you start stupid shit about someone else's religion make a fucking effort to understand the bullshit your own condones.

From the very page you quote:

"...the Council on American-Islamic Relations has received public recognition and endorsement by prominent public figures, including President George W. Bush and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi..."

Ya, and sheik al-Hilaly got praise from the Prime Minister. Your point?

"CAIR claims that Ahmad was misquoted by a local newspaper and has requested a retraction which the paper has refused to do."

Now either fight well or get out of the battlefield, kiddo.

So you believe an organisation that pretended to raise money for 9/11 victims and then used said money to fund a terrorist group, over a regular newspaper?

You must be fucking shitting me. This is stupid even for RO.

Do you really want me to dig up the incredibly long list of Christians who've said the same shit? Do you?

1) How many of those are in a position that they claim to represent an entire Christian population?
2) Christians say it majority Christian countries at least.

Before you start stupid shit about someone else's religion make a fucking effort to understand the bullshit your own condones.

I'm not Christian.

Ya, and sheik al-Hilaly got praise from the Prime Minister. Your point?



So you believe an organisation that pretended to raise money for 9/11 victims and then used said money to fund a terrorist group, over a regular newspaper?

So, you're saying that Bush actually praised a group that did that. You either think him much more incompetent than I do or you claim he's in league with them. You're handpicking who you believe in in order to further "prove" to yourself your own beliefs. You can do it without the help of anyone here, kiddo, but you're at least smart enough to feel insecure about it, thus having the need to try to convince us (by arguing poorly) so you have people to condone your... peculiar... views.

Furthermore: Prove that they "pretended to raise money for 9/11 victims and then used said money to fund a terrorist group" (if they did they'd be history now and you know it) and prove that the regular newspaper isn't as full of crap as you are.

Until then, kid, excuse me, as I have a life and you're just too easy.

An inspection of CAIR’s most recent publicly available IRS Form 990 (2004) shows for that year they received $119,029 in membership dues for that year (line 3). But at $25 per membership (the current rate is $35), that would mean that in 2004, CAIR only had 4,761 dues-paying members – less than 5,000 members out of 8 million Muslims in America. This would mean that CAIR only represents 1 out of every 1,680 Muslims. Even if a lower 6 million Muslim population figure were assumed, CAIR would still only be able to claim representation for 1 out of every 1,260 Muslims for that year.

Anyone can get a copy of the IRS Form 990 for this organization.

It puts CAIR on the same level as the University of Texas Longhorn Band, in terms of membership.

They have had their website petition in that condition for over six months.

It's not trolling if it's true.If their membership is down, perhaps they can't find anyone to fix their website?

1) How many of those are in a position that they claim to represent an entire Christian population?

How many Muslims can claim they represent an entire Muslim population :headbang:
2) Christians say it majority Christian countries at least.
What?

They have had their website petition in that condition for over six months.
And the petition was posted in May 2004. Point?

Obviously, very old news from 2005.

The link I posted is their current view on "Not In The Name of Islam"

A fucking blank.

Wait wait so you are taking what you imply a blank page means over something they actually wrote ... wow :rolleyes:

Edit: Specially when the link you posted is older then the written document you slammed for being old?

Because it's old news.

Obviously they don't have the petition they claim to have in the menu, and probably never did.

Oh, and CAIR doesn't really represent Muslims the way they claim (and the way news organizations claim). They are a small number of people financed by a handful of rich Arabs.

It's obviously a front organization.

Their claims:



Their actual membership:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070611-034232-5919r.htm



An inspection of CAIR’s most recent publicly available IRS Form 990 (2004) shows for that year they received $119,029 in membership dues for that year (line 3). But at $25 per membership (the current rate is $35), that would mean that in 2004, CAIR only had 4,761 dues-paying members – less than 5,000 members out of 8 million Muslims in America. This would mean that CAIR only represents 1 out of every 1,680 Muslims. Even if a lower 6 million Muslim population figure were assumed, CAIR would still only be able to claim representation for 1 out of every 1,260 Muslims for that year.

Anyone can get a copy of the IRS Form 990 for this organization.

It puts CAIR on the same level as the University of Texas Longhorn Band, in terms of membership.

Would you look at that, membership in an openly muslim organization dropped severely after 9-11. I wonder why that could happen? It couldn't be that American politics made these people think having their names on a membership list could be dangerous, could it?

But then again, such fears are obviously unfounded, because it couldn't happen here... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment)

Furthermore: Prove that they "pretended to raise money for 9/11 victims and then used said money to fund a terrorist group" (if they did they'd be history now and you know it) and prove that the regular newspaper isn't as full of crap as you are.

It was in Wikipedia. "Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, CAIR's website solicited donations for what it called the "NY/DC Emergency Relief Fund."[19] However, clicking on the donation link led to the web site for Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF)."

So basically, they said "Click here to donate to help victims of 9/11", and it linked to a group that's now considered to be a terrorist group.

It was in Wikipedia. "Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, CAIR's website solicited donations for what it called the "NY/DC Emergency Relief Fund."[19] However, clicking on the donation link led to the web site for Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF)."

So basically, they said "Click here to donate to help victims of 9/11", and it linked to a group that's now considered to be a terrorist group.

And on the same page it shows how CAIR ended support for Hamas and Hezbolla after they started using car bombs and terrorist tactics.

Plus all the other links they have condemning terrorism and hate. They also end support for any group that is deemed a terrorist organization by others. If CAIR was pro-terrorist and provided material support, wouldn't they be on teh choppign block by now?

Plus all the other links they have condemning terrorism and hate. They also end support for any group that is deemed a terrorist organization by others. If CAIR was pro-terrorist and provided material support, wouldn't they be on teh choppign block by now?

Like they're now an unindicted co-conspirator with Hamas?

Like their membership they initially claimed was in the millions is now a few thousand? Funded largely by less than 12 people? Some of whom are citizens of Dubai?

They haven't ended their support for Hamas...

Like they're now an unindicted co-conspirator with Hamas?

Like their membership they initially claimed was in the millions is now a few thousand? Funded largely by less than 12 people? Some of whom are citizens of Dubai?

They haven't ended their support for Hamas...

woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, slow down, Senator McCarthy, they never claimed membership was in the millions, and those 12 people who fund them are oil barons who want to make Islam a more recognised religion which dictates peace, so that little trolling 'mummy and daddy accidents' can grow up, and understand that Islam isnt about 'bl0wing t3h self up!!!111!!!In t3h name of teh Allah!!111!!!'

And whats wrong with Dubai, Mr McCarthy?

Because it's old news..

Well the petition was launched in 2004, and that Fatwa says 2005, so doesnt that mean what you're on about is actually "old news"?

So unless you update complete and total condemnations, they have no meaning?

Just as a matter of interest, doesnt that render the whole ten commandments defunct by about 2-3 millenia?


Obviously they don't have the petition they claim to have in the menu, and probably never did...

"probably never did" eh? And lets say that for whatever reason it never was there....how does that invalidate the other condemnations on the site?




It's obviously a front organization.
.

Why and who for?

Like they're now an unindicted co-conspirator with Hamas?


"unidicted" being the operative word there.

Tell me, more than one of AIPACs members have been involved in Espionage. Why doesnt that make them automatically a front for foreign backed Espionage on US soil?

"unidicted" being the operative word there.

Tell me, more than one of AIPACs members have been involved in Espionage. Why doesnt that make them automatically a front for foreign backed Espionage on US soil?

I dont think we should forget the fact that the CIA was found guilty of torturing prisoners on British soil a few days ago.

Yet we dont go around proclaiming 'CIA IS TEH EBIL!!11!!!'

I dont think we should forget the fact that the CIA was found guilty of torturing prisoners on British soil a few days ago.

Yet we dont go around proclaiming 'CIA IS TEH EBIL!!11!!!'

Course not. They have the old stars n stripes boxer shorts, not like these BEARDED BLOODRINKERS!!!!!!1!!!!!

Everybody knows CAIR is the public relations wing for Sunni Islamic supremacist terrorism.

EDIT: From looking over this thread a bit it seems I was wrong. Not everybody knows it.

Course not. They have the old stars n stripes boxer shorts,

You know, those can fall under flag desecration laws in some states. Seriously.

You know, those can fall under flag desecration laws in some states. Seriously.
Do you know which?

Do you know which?

Let me guess...erm...all the southern backwards ones?

You know, those can fall under flag desecration laws in some states. Seriously.


I thought that was all dealt with re our old topic "flag burnin"...On another note I see the usual suspect has left the 'building'.....

Everybody knows CAIR is the public relations wing for Sunni Islamic supremacist terrorism.

EDIT: From looking over this thread a bit it seems I was wrong. Not everybody knows it.

Even if they are the blank page literally says nothing, assuming intent from that is just silly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations

Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant, he said. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth. - Omar Ahmad, CAIR co-founder.


Yeah so? Of course a Muslim wants the Qur'an(not koran you twerp) to be the highest authority, no matter where they live. Of course they want kufir and PoB to revert to Islam. You don't think that Christian wouldn't want the same(convert all the peoeple to xtianity)? You say it as if there is some secret they are hiding.

Do you know which?

I know my state for a while had a very vague flag law...It just got struck down though, judge said it was unconstitutional because it was so vague.

Even if they are the blank page literally says nothing, assuming intent from that is just silly

Yeah, I know.

A group opposed hatred in the name of islam, therefore they support hatred in the name of islam?


Typical RO, the topic and the source are not connected at all.

A group opposed hatred in the name of islam, therefore they support hatred in the name of islam?


Typical RO, the topic and the source are not connected at all.

No: "A group opposed hatred in the name of Islam, then forgot to upload an extra page, which means they support hatred in the name of Islam because "they didn't oppose it long enough"".

You know, the same kind of demand he'd make no OTHER religion whatsoever, by the way, Christians, the fact that you're breathing instead of yelling about how evil the Crusades were tells me you would like them to happen again. And whoever failed to realize this is sarcasm isn't a bright person.

Everybody knows CAIR is the public relations wing for Sunni Islamic supremacist terrorism.

EDIT: From looking over this thread a bit it seems I was wrong. Not everybody knows it.

How come when you say it, everyone respects you, but when I say it, it's like I burned down an orphanage?

I get the feeling that if I condemned the Nazis, everyone would become skinheads.

How come when you say it, everyone respects you, but when I say it, it's like I burned down an orphanage?

I get the feeling that if I condemned the Nazis, everyone would become skinheads.

Not the brightest spark, are we....

No.

It's proof that CAIR doesn't have a problem with any terrorist activites around the world done in the name of Islam.

Or maybe, just maybe, they have a problem with the page coding.

Nah, that seems downright plausible.

Would you look at that, membership in an openly muslim organization dropped severely after 9-11. I wonder why that could happen? It couldn't be that American politics made these people think having their names on a membership list could be dangerous, could it?

But then again, such fears are obviously unfounded, because it couldn't happen here... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment)

I prefer McArthy for the example, actually.

How many Muslims can claim they represent an entire Muslim population
How about the man who said those statements which were "misquoted"?

I know my state for a while had a very vague flag law...It just got struck down though, judge said it was unconstitutional because it was so vague.
Not unlike the laws against 'self pollution' and 'the abominable crime against nature.'