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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

The situation just keeps getting worse. I'm not the biggest fan of Fatah, but under Abbas they are at least willing to seriously talk about peace and coexistence.

I guess Fatah is learning the same lesson the Israelis have learned. Hamas will never honor a cease-fire.

I really hope Fatah can survive this, but I doubt they will. If they fall, you can kiss any chance of peace goodbye unless another party rises from the ashes.

The Palestinians just aren't ready for peace, I guess.

Too bad they (Fatah) get no real outside help then, innit.

The Palestinians just aren't ready for peace, I guess.

They've never been ready for peace. They aren't a real people.

They've never been ready for peace. They aren't a real people.

:rolleyes:

They've never been ready for peace. They aren't a real people.

...lol wut

No, really, explain the 'they aren't a real people' crack please.

I'm really interested in how you worked that one out. I'm sitting looking at my Grandad's campaign medal. It says "PALESTINE" on it. He got it for being in, oh yeh, Palestine... but that's not a real place, is it, because after all, the people aren't real, so DUH, the place can't exist. Clearly it was an anti-semitic neo-nazi plot to label all the maps 'PALESTINE' and to cast medals with 'PALESTINE' on and tell people they were going to Palestine, and all that.

Though in fairness, Israel doesn't follow ceasefires either.

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http://static.flickr.com/6/69250266_8c1f5c979c.jpg

Fuck.

Fuck.

Indeed. The worst is that Fatah won't ask for, nor would they accept, intervention from Israel, the UN or other Middle Eastern countries, because they have to show to the Palestinian people they can stand on thier own two feet. It would be a propaganda coup for Hamas if Fatah had to rely on exterior force in order to maintain power. That and Fatah wouldn't want to feel indebted to Israel either.

http://static.flickr.com/6/69250266_8c1f5c979c.jpg

I propose a motion to ban all use of that image from now on. And to establish a committee to make/find a better/new one.

I propose a motion to ban all use of that image from now on. And to establish a committee to make/find a better/new one.

I would second this motion except the irony of a hugely over used image being used to complain about having to see the same shit again is too good to lose.

I would second this motion except the irony of a hugely over used image being used to complain about having to see the same shit again is too good to lose.

Good point. Motion removed.

Good point. Motion removed.

Though if you do, I suggest to have the "Not this shit again..." written over the poster for the third Pirates of the Caribbean movie.

Ethnically cleanse everyone in the Middle East and repopulate it with the Swiss. They never make trouble for anyone now, do they? :)

Ethnically cleanse everyone in the Middle East and repopulate it with the Swiss. They never make trouble for anyone now, do they? :)

You win the thread. Best solution EVAR

Though if you do, I suggest to have the "Not this shit again..." written over the poster for the third Pirates of the Caribbean movie.

I'm assigning this to you. Then we'll try it out on RO's next thread.

I propose a motion to ban all use of that image from now on. And to establish a committee to make/find a better/new one.

fine

http://www.strangepersons.com/images/content/8531.jpg

They've never been ready for peace. They aren't a real people.At least they're not some weirdo religious group pretending to be a people.

At least they're not some weirdo religious group pretending to be a people.

Damn right! Let's expose them for the space lizards that they really are

fine

http://www.strangepersons.com/images/content/8531.jpg

That is the second picture that you saw on google. You are going to have to try a little harder. Maybe the 7th picture that you see would do.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

The situation just keeps getting worse. I'm not the biggest fan of Fatah, but under Abbas they are at least willing to seriously talk about peace and coexistence.

I guess Fatah is learning the same lesson the Israelis have learned. Hamas will never honor a cease-fire.

I really hope Fatah can survive this, but I doubt they will. If they fall, you can kiss any chance of peace goodbye unless another party rises from the ashes.

This has nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with the Zionists. Hamas agrees to a coalition government, and the west and zionists continue with economic restrictions. Its not a shock there's problems.

They've never been ready for peace. They aren't a real people.

I think you just summed up the IDF/USMC/MTAE/FAG position quite nicely, well done.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

The situation just keeps getting worse. I'm not the biggest fan of Fatah, but under Abbas they are at least willing to seriously talk about peace and coexistence.



I guess Fatah is learning the same lesson the Israelis have learned. Hamas will never honor a cease-fire.

I really hope Fatah can survive this, but I doubt they will. If they fall, you can kiss any chance of peace goodbye unless another party rises from the ashes.


it is really sad about the poor innocents cringing in their homes or getting caught in the crossfire.
i feel really bad for the kids that are bearing witness to this nightmare.

they are getting so disgusting that they are tossing people off roofs(ala saddam) it appears,throwing a bound human being off a roof is the epitomy of evil and disgusting.

i have more support for fatah then i have ever had for hamas.
i was tepmted to say...so what,let them kill themselves off,no great loss losing insane murders to themselves,but of coarse,they cant fight it out like me,they have to involve women and children in their slaughter.

truly saddening and disgusting.

and to what end,at least fatah was willing to talk to isreal,hamas is so fucking blinded by hate they will destroy their own cause.and hopefuly themselves in the process.

http://static.flickr.com/6/69250266_8c1f5c979c.jpg
I propose a motion to ban all use of that image from now on. And to establish a committee to make/find a better/new one.
Tish and pish!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/Aw_Jeez.jpg

Make your own - I thought you Marines were supposed to be self-reliant an' all.

Indeed. The worst is that Fatah won't ask for, nor would they accept, intervention from Israel, the UN or other Middle Eastern countries, because they have to show to the Palestinian people they can stand on thier own two feet. It would be a propaganda coup for Hamas if Fatah had to rely on exterior force in order to maintain power. That and Fatah wouldn't want to feel indebted to Israel either.

good point,not to mention that by taking aid from ,say the west, would really infuriate the radicals and they would redouble their efforts against them,as they would be seen as sellouts..which of coarse they would not be.
but in the black and white picture most of the crazies see things as...i suppose they would be correct.and i mean that about all sides of the issue.

peace will not come from the barrel of a gun..it cant...victory over your enemy may..but peace...not if they have to live together.

i blame iran i hate to say..they are really stirring the fucking pot over there these days.
for political gain..scumbags abiding kids seeing death to further their political agenda...disgusting

They've never been ready for peace. They aren't a real people.

Really? They've been referring to themselves as a distinct entity since at least 1910/11, so what gives you that idea?

Seeing as they have more in common than the various disparate groups that make up Israel, what is it that makes Israel a nation that they lack? Whiter skin, perhaps?


It would be a propaganda coup for Hamas if Fatah had to rely on exterior force in order to maintain power..

Like taking US funds during the elections, the Weapons the US got for them and the training in Egypt, travel to and from which was facilitated by Israel? I'd imagine explaining that at the first meeting of the "unity Government" was fun......

Mr de Soto reveals that after Hamas won elections last year it wanted to form a broad coalition government with its more moderate rivals, including Fatah, run by the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. But the US discouraged other Palestinian politicians from joining. "We were told that the US was against any 'blurring' of the line dividing Hamas from those Palestinian political forces committed to the two-state solution," Mr de Soto writes. It was a year before a coalition government was finally formed.

The US, he argues, was clearly pushing for a confrontation between Fatah and Hamas but Washington misjudged Mr Abbas, who he argues had wanted to co-opt rather than defeat Hamas. Fighting between Fatah and Hamas has intensified in recent months. He quotes an unnamed US official as saying earlier this year: "I like this violence ... It means that other Palestinians are resisting Hamas." Since December at least 600 Palestinians have been killed in factional battles.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2101630,00.html

Really? They've been referring to themselves as a distinct entity since at least 1910/11, so what gives you that idea?

Seeing as they have more in common than the various disparate groups that make up Israel, what is it that makes Israel a nation that they lack? Whiter skin, perhaps?The religion-based belief of being a nation.

I have to say I support Fatah/PLO in this, Hamas have been nothing but stupid since they got to power, what the Palestinian people need is a cool-headed and non-violent government that get foreign support for consolidating a Palestinian state and ensuring the struggle against the regime occupying Jerusalem is not in vein. Every time I turn on the tv and see some random hamas militant shooting a rocket into an Israeli town I think how stupid it is, it will accomplish absolutely nothing, and the Palestinians will continue to suffer for it. It's obviously hamas cannot control their militants, and I honestly hope they are ousted from power, they are progressing the struggle in any meaningful way.

I think you just summed up the IDF/USMC/MTAE/FAG position quite nicely, well done.

You're really one to talk when you are a fucking Nazi.

You're really one to talk when you are a fucking Nazi.

can we have one fucking thread without you calling people nazi?

just one?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

The situation just keeps getting worse. I'm not the biggest fan of Fatah, but under Abbas they are at least willing to seriously talk about peace and coexistence.

I guess Fatah is learning the same lesson the Israelis have learned. Hamas will never honor a cease-fire.

I really hope Fatah can survive this, but I doubt they will. If they fall, you can kiss any chance of peace goodbye unless another party rises from the ashes.

Too bad Israel created such a sad problem.

can we have one fucking thread without you calling people nazi?

just one?


Nope, its his only argument. In fact, its the militant Zionist's only argument.

Just heard this on NPR. I really hold no opinion. I don't understand what is happening over there. As much as I try, I just don't get it. But I sat in my car a little longer when this guy started talking.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11022501

You're really one to talk when you are a fucking Nazi.

You mean hes.......http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305808120.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Nope, its his only argument. In fact, its the militant Zionist's only argument.

Hes not that bad. He just doesnt stay too civil when he reckons somebody 'marches with the knees stiff'.

can we have one fucking thread without you calling people nazi?

just one?
Can we have a thread where OD, Soviestan, and AP don't post?

Notice I only call a select few group of retards Nazis.

I have the posts to prove they are anti-semitic. Do you want me to pull them out?

I have the posts to prove they are anti-semitic. Do you want me to pull them out?

Please do. :D

Please do. :D


The Zionists probably want to replace it with a military base, or a Synagogue that couples as a Bank too.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12338929&postcount=2

If it happened, where exactly did it happen?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12493449&postcount=82



Historical persecution is not an excuse for an ultranationalist group to annex territory and oppress a population using the 'Holocaust' and other perceived injustices as pretext.



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12493428&postcount=78

IMO can Zionist supporter is a legitimate target for helping such an ethnic-ultranationalist demagogy in it's terrible deeds.

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12297251&postcount=116

Well when most Israel/Palestine stories have a pro-Israel slant on them, an 'exaggerated' source is the only way to get anywhere close to the reality of the story. The Pro-Israel lobby in the west after all does have alot of money.

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12222529&postcount=63

So the murder of millions of WWII civilians is questionable, but the murder of 7 million Jews is not? I think all historical information should always be challenged and debated, it's a shame such a taboo has been put over a minority number of those murdered in WWII.

http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12347986&postcount=140



because the Jewish lobby Pwns the US media.

thats why.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9065937&postcount=43

Another OD example is here in the OP

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=529549

You mean hes.......http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305808120.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


I have to see that film. No excuses will be suffered :cool:

I just saw something amazing on the news in relation to this. There was footage of civilians whom ran into gun battles, attempting to stop the fighting. One man even tried to wrestle an AK-47 from some militant.

I just saw something amazing on the news in relation to this. There was footage of civilians whom ran into gun battles, attempting to stop the fighting. One man even tried to wrestle an AK-47 from some militant.

Yeh, the civilians are really fucked off with it all. Lots of women have been having peace marches and things. This is a Good Sign. :D

PS - IDF - lol at those posts. :D

Yeh, the civilians are really fucked off with it all. Lots of women have been having peace marches and things. This is a Good Sign. :D

PS - IDF - lol at those posts. :D

Actually, what really surprised me was that a lot of these protesters were men. Mostly older men, but a few younger ones, too.

Women as well, I meant...

Women as well, I meant...

Oh, okay. Let's hope they keep marching. Maybe they'll get the point across.

Hooray for the peace-minded Palestinian people!

Those people aren't people and they don't want peace [/kneejerk Zionist argument]

....sigh....

Who needs Israeli gunships when you have Palestinians to dismantle the Palestinian cause?

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Yes, you don't want it brought up that Palestinians are violent people.

Here's today's example. Oh, and Gravlen, I told you they would stoop to this.

Just imagine what Hamas would do if they could defeat Israel - they are executing Palestinians one by one.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8POLAD02&show_article=1

After the rout at the Preventive Security headquarters, some of the Hamas fighters kneeled outside, touching their foreheads to the ground in prayer. Others led Fatah gunmen out of the building, some shirtless or in their underwear, holding their arms in the air. Several of the Fatah men flinched as the crack of gunfire split the air.

A witness, who identified himself only as Amjad, said men were killed as their wives and children watched.

"They are executing them one by one," Amjad said in a telephone interview, declining to give his full name for fear of reprisals. "They are carrying one of them on their shoulders, putting him on a sand dune, turning him around and shooting."

Fatah officials said Hamas shot and killed seven of its fighters outside the Preventive Security building. A doctor at Shifa Hospital, said he examined two bodies that had been shot in the head at close range. The officials and the doctor spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

Yes, you don't want it brought up that Palestinians are violent people.


People are violent. They don't have to be belonging to any particular group - its a common link across borders and races.

Actually, what really surprised me was that a lot of these protesters were men. Mostly older men, but a few younger ones, too.

Why are you surprised at that?

Yes, you don't want it brought up that Palestinians are violent people.

Here's today's example. Oh, and Gravlen, I told you they would stoop to this.

Just imagine what Hamas would do if they could defeat Israel - they are executing Palestinians one by one.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8POLAD02&show_article=1

As Israelis and Americans and the Germans, Palestinians are a violent people. Not to mention Somalians, Ethiopians, Peruvians, Vietnamese... etc etc.

And I have no doubt Hamas could do the same as the Israelis could do if the situation was reversed.

As Israelis and Americans and the Germans, Palestinians are a violent people. Not to mention Somalians, Ethiopians, Peruvians, Vietnamese... etc etc.

And I have no doubt Hamas could do the same as the Israelis could do if the situation was reversed.

When was the last time that the US marched out people who surrendered, and shot them in the head in front of their families?

Would we have to go back to the incident at Wounded Knee in the 19th century?

When was the last time that the US marched out people who surrendered, and shot them in the head in front of their families?

Would we have to go back to the incident at Wounded Knee in the 19th century?

Vietnam war?

EDIT: Sorry, I went too far back. I should have said "Iraq war, the current one - see for example Haiditha".

Vietnam war?

Ah yes. My Lai. I seem to recall a prosecution. Do you think that Hamas will prosecute anyone for this?

When was the last time that the US marched out people who surrendered, and shot them in the head in front of their families?

Would we have to go back to the incident at Wounded Knee in the 19th century?Haditha?

Ah yes. My Lai. I seem to recall a prosecution. Do you think that Hamas will prosecute anyone for this?

I seem to see a changing of the goal posts again... http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/gen017.gif

Ah yes. My Lai. I seem to recall a prosecution.

And one conviction. He served a day, then house arrest for 3 and half years.

You never get too bothered when the IDF do this kind of thing....wonder why.....

Ah yes. My Lai. I seem to recall a prosecution. Do you think that Hamas will prosecute anyone for this?
The letter 'a' being important in that sentence.

When was the last time that the US marched out people who surrendered, and shot them in the head in front of their families?

Would we have to go back to the incident at Wounded Knee in the 19th century?

I'd give you 20-1 that if all were known, it has happened in the last year in Iraq.

Also, if we didn't pretend that there is a moral difference between shooting people and blowing them up, the point would be moot to begin with.