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You know - the Palestinians killing each other.

The media seems to be constantly calling it an "ongoing truce" with "a tenuous ceasefire", while you can read almost everyday about Hamas and Fatah killing each other left and right.

Yesterday, they were throwing each other off the tops of tall buildings.
Today, they're shooting the wounded in the hospital beds.
Dragging each other's members out of their houses and riddling them with bullets.

It only took a few such incidents for the media to declare that there was a civil war going on in Iraq (and that made sense).

Why is the media softpedaling this? Why won't they call it a civil war - because that's exactly what it is - Hamas and Fatah engaged in a civil war for control of the Palestinian government.

You know - the Palestinians killing each other.

The media seems to be constantly calling it an "ongoing truce" with "a tenuous ceasefire", while you can read almost everyday about Hamas and Fatah killing each other left and right.

Yesterday, they were throwing each other off the tops of tall buildings.
Today, they're shooting the wounded in the hospital beds.
Dragging each other's members out of their houses and riddling them with bullets.

It only took a few such incidents for the media to declare that there was a civil war going on in Iraq (and that made sense).

Why is the media softpedaling this? Why won't they call it a civil war - because that's exactly what it is - Hamas and Fatah engaged in a civil war for control of the Palestinian government.

[lame joke]...because there's nothing civil about war?[/lame joke]

Dunno, why don't they refer to Iraq as a civil war?

[lame joke]...because there's nothing civil about war?[/lame joke]

Calling is a lame joke is praising it! It's so old it's growing copies of the Old Testament! :p

Uhmmm... I dunno? Ask them...

Dunno, why don't they refer to Iraq as a civil war?

They do, and they have.

You know - the Palestinians killing each other.

The media seems to be constantly calling it an "ongoing truce" with "a tenuous ceasefire", while you can read almost everyday about Hamas and Fatah killing each other left and right.

Yesterday, they were throwing each other off the tops of tall buildings.
Today, they're shooting the wounded in the hospital beds.
Dragging each other's members out of their houses and riddling them with bullets.

It only took a few such incidents for the media to declare that there was a civil war going on in Iraq (and that made sense).

Why is the media softpedaling this? Why won't they call it a civil war - because that's exactly what it is - Hamas and Fatah engaged in a civil war for control of the Palestinian government.

I'd imagine it's because while there's a Palestinian government, there's no recognized Palestinian nation (I may be wrong about this, I've never really given a rats ass about that corner of the Middle East). I'd also imagine you need a nation to have a civil war, but I could be wrong about that too.

Because everybody knows the real enemy is Israel. And the United States. And the Western infidels. And the Vulcans. And the Wookies. Nope, nothing wrong with Palestine!

Because you have to be a country before you can have a civil war.[/thread]

For the same reason Iraq isn't a Civil War. To have a civil war, you need to have two (or more) factions, both of which have significant public support. In this case, I'm reasonably sure that the average Palestinian doesn't support either of these fruitcake organizations.

They probably supported Fatah back when Yassir Arafat was in charge, as he had the charisma, and the history, and seemed to have a plan, or at least an agenda. His followers, however, have lost any real claim to credibility and authority, even among their putative supporters.

I don't know. But I'm sure the joos have something to do with it.

I don't know. But I'm sure the joos have something to do with it.

Well, you have to admit it's an interesting tactic.

Withdraw from Gaza. Put up a fence.

Throw some guns in, and wait.

It's like pulling the pin out of a grenade. With so many militants in one place, with no outlet for their "one size fits all" philosophy of killing to obtain political gain (whether it's against the Jews or otherwise), they start killing each other wholesale inside of a year.

And that seems to be what happened.

Well, you have to admit it's an interesting tactic.

Withdraw from Gaza. Put up a fence.

Throw some guns in, and wait.

It's like pulling the pin out of a grenade. With so many militants in one place, with no outlet for their "one size fits all" philosophy of killing to obtain political gain (whether it's against the Jews or otherwise), they start killing each other wholesale inside of a year.

And that seems to be what happened.

I knew it! Now the Palestinians can concentrate on killing each other instead of bombing Israel. Absolutely brilliant.

I knew it! Now the Palestinians can concentrate on killing each other instead of bombing Israel. Absolutely brilliant.

So it IS the 3bil joooz!

Here's an example of how upset they are with each other...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6744713.stm

Down the page...

The fighting has been intense and brutal with few places considered to be safe and with hospitals becoming battlegrounds, he says.

In one incident, a senior member of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, linked to Fatah, was shot 41 times while in a hospital bed in the town of Beit Hanoun.

The International Committee of the Red Cross said it was "deeply disturbed by the events in Gaza over the last two days, particularly the attacks in and around two hospitals in the northern part of the Gaza Strip".

41 times. That must have been a real mess...

Who is on brain detail?

There goes the Jewish Media conspiracy theory down the toilet. It's those Palestinians that control what we think after all.

[lame joke]...because there's nothing civil about war?[/lame joke]Eh? I thought you misquoting/paraphrasing Guns N' Roses.

They probably supported Fatah back when Yassir Arafat was in charge, as he had the charisma, and the history, and seemed to have a plan, or at least an agenda. His followers, however, have lost any real claim to credibility and authority, even among their putative supporters.


Not according to the polls and election results.

The latest.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL1163917020070612?src=061207_1145_TOPSTORY_brutal_gaza_violence

The violence, described by Gazans as more brutal than in the past, has included a shootout in a hospital, dropping foes to their deaths from high-rise buildings and the execution-style slaying of a Fatah field commander outside his home.

Of course, this thread is useless without pics. But, according to the terms of service, we can't bring you the pics, so you'll just have to use your imagination.

Because, like Iraq, it isn't one yet? No war at this time in Gaza.

And most of the articles I see about Iraq doth proclaim that there is a danger (imminent, serious, real, et al.) of the violence turning into a civil war.

One possibility with chronic inter-communal violence like this is not that it leads to civil war, in which it is possible for one side to defeat the other in battle, but instead to a complete breakdown of social order so that there is no effective government at all.

By the way, how did the civil war in Northern Ireland end in 1994?

It only took a few such incidents for the media to declare that there was a civil war going on in Iraq (and that made sense).
Are they saying that? Really?

Why is the media softpedaling this? Why won't they call it a civil war - because that's exactly what it is - Hamas and Fatah engaged in a civil war for control of the Palestinian government.

Is no war, is peace, plusgood! War IS peace. Stop ref unexist event. You duckspeak eurasian prop ungood. Psychocrime transf Miniluv.

;)

Why won't the media call it a civil war?

Because the liberal news media wants to undermine US troops because they're politically correct so that they can blame Bush because they hate America and root for the terrorists to win and love Muslims and hate Jews and Christians so they show an Anti-American bias and a pro-Terrorist bias because in the end they actually hate America for our freedoms.

Did I get it right?
;)

Because the liberal news media wants to undermine US troops because they're politically correct so that they can blame Bush because they hate America and root for the terrorists to win and love Muslims and hate Jews and Christians so they show an Anti-American bias and a pro-Terrorist bias because in the end they actually hate America for our freedoms.

Did I get it right?
;)

No.

I think it's because the media wants the unity government to succeed - so they're cutting them a break on calling it as bad as it is.

Rather than tell the truth, that there is no way out other than massive bloodshed because their leaders are violent freaks, and their politics based solely on armed conflict, the media is rooting for the underdog (as compared to Israel).

Well the BBC has been claiming Iraq is on the verge of civil war for how long...four years??? Kinda makes you wonder about the judgement and motivations of those writing the headlines.
Yet, we hear nothing about the fact the north of Iraq is practically normal, with people going grocery shopping in newly built supermarkets (how normal and boirng is that???) etc. etc.
Bu then again that would mean that Satan was right...oh, sorry I meant GWB...the hippy-media has demonised him so much I confuse him with the Dark Prince sometimes.

Not according to the polls and election results.

Eh? I didn't say that. :confused:

That was Dodecapod.

Not according to the polls and election results.

Are they voting for Fatah or against worse?

Well whaddaya know...

On TV just now, on the news, did they just say "The Palestinian situation is as close as it's ever been to civil war"?

My, they did.

See RO? The liberal jewish media conspiracy is listening to you! Make more threads about things that irk you, and you'll see they'll change things as you wish :p

Here they said it's descending into a civil war. So there.

Well, you have to admit it's an interesting tactic.

Withdraw from Gaza. Put up a fence.

Throw some guns in, and wait.

It's like pulling the pin out of a grenade. With so many militants in one place, with no outlet for their "one size fits all" philosophy of killing to obtain political gain (whether it's against the Jews or otherwise), they start killing each other wholesale inside of a year.

And that seems to be what happened.

And don't mention boycotting the elected government, funding one side and giving them arms and training through Egypt, at all, whatever you do....

I knew it! Now the Palestinians can concentrate on killing each other instead of bombing Israel. Absolutely brilliant

Brilliant on behalf of the Americans, perhaps, as it was they who led the moves to boycott Hamas and financed what I mentioned above.


41 times. That must have been a real mess...

Who is on brain detail?.

Well presumably they'd require somebody with the wherewithal to recognise one if they saw one....I'd just turn off the mobile and charge it, were I you.

No.

I think it's because the media wants the unity government to succeed - so they're cutting them a break on calling it as bad as it is.

Rather than tell the truth, that there is no way out other than massive bloodshed because their leaders are violent freaks, and their politics based solely on armed conflict, the media is rooting for the underdog (as compared to Israel).

More in depth analysis there....How deep did you have to reach into your bowel to pull that out, I wonder. Check your watch is still there by the way.

Its not called a "civil war" yet, because the faction fighting has not extended to the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem or the camps in Jordan or Lebanon, nor have the all of other factions joined in.