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Political correctness has a bad rap. It is apparently responsible for such evils as turning men into 'womenly men (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12759796&postcount=89)', turning women into lesbians, making it uncool to use racial slurs (even when we all know those jokes are true), and turning kids (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12756896#post12756896) into fat, idiotic wimps. It's all a left-wing plot of course, and we all hate it.

So when you want to bitch and moan about something, just blame it on the PC movement! Then everyone will ignore the stupid things you are saying, and join you in bashing everything PC!

Oh, and I dedicate this thread to Eutrusca, PC's #1 enemy.

Political correctness has a bad rap. It is apparently responsible for such evils as turning men into 'womenly men (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12759796&postcount=89)', turning women into lesbians, making it uncool to use racial slurs (even when we all know those jokes are true), and turning kids (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12756896#post12756896) into fat, idiotic wimps. It's all a left-wing plot of course, and we all hate it.

So when you want to bitch and moan about something, just blame it on the PC movement!

*Dressed like a redneck*

Them PC librulz r allowin the illegal imm'grants to taek urr jerbz! [/IGNROANT_REDNECK_ANTI-IMM]

PC movement i don't think we have one or they have very very little power that you don't hear of them

PC movement i don't think we have one or they have very very little power that you don't hear of them

It's an American thing, mostly.

I've noticed the people that bitch about "PC" are the idiots that are sad that they are nowadays seen as idiots.

It's an American thing, mostly.

And it's horrible! It means you can't say '******' even though it's clearly NOT a racial slur anymore...it means you can't pat the female secretary on the ass anymore, even though the slut clearly wants you too...it means you can't beat up gay men for shits and giggles and get away with it...

Seriously, Australia...stay FAR away from PC!

I've noticed the people that bitch about "PC" are the idiots that are sad that they are nowadays seen as idiots.

Interesting analysis. Too bad I can't ignore it, and simply attack your character using words that have been banned by the PC brigade...so instead I shall bitch and moan about how the thought police have intellectually castrated right thinking people everywhere.

And it's horrible! It means you can't say '******' even though it's clearly NOT a racial slur anymore...it means you can't pat the female secretary on the ass anymore, even though the slut clearly wants you too...it means you can't beat up gay men for shits and giggles and get away with it...

Seriously, Australia...stay FAR away from PC!
I can't say ******? *tests* Your are full of shit, as I just said ******.

It's an American thing, mostly.

better stay that way or when i have kids i'll be knocking out some other Parents lights out if they try to tell me what to do

You mean people have to acknoweldge that everyone one else has feelers and they should watch their mouths?

Terrible!

Interesting analysis. Too bad I can't ignore it, and simply attack your character using words that have been banned by the PC brigade...so instead I shall bitch and moan about how the thought police have intellectually castrated right thinking people everywhere.

Your intellectual balls, my playthings! Cock and ball torture, anyone?

I can't say ******? *tests* Your are full of shit, as I just said ******.

What? Oh, you just wait...the PC police will be banging on your door and dragging you off to jail...

And it's horrible! It means you can't say '******' even though it's clearly NOT a racial slur anymore...it means you can't pat the female secretary on the ass anymore, even though the slut clearly wants you too...it means you can't beat up gay men for shits and giggles and get away with it...

Seriously, Australia...stay FAR away from PC!

PC, like every other f*cking belief system on the planet, has its crazies, so...

Not to mention the problems with freedom of speech et al. should it become law.

better stay that way or when i have kids i'll be knocking out some other Parents lights out if they try to tell me what to do

I know! It's terrible having a complete stranger react in disgust when you make a racist joke! I mean...the nerve!

You mean people have to acknoweldge that everyone one else has feelers and they should watch their mouths?

Terrible!

Um, ever heard of freedom of speech? PC is nothing but censorship!

I know! It's terrible having a complete stranger react in disgust when you make a racist joke! I mean...the nerve!
Wait, they do what? Is disgust a synonym for laughter?

Also you seem weird today, is it your time of the month?

Your intellectual balls, my playthings! Cock and ball torture, anyone?

I lack the necessary appendages. Ha, in every sense!

no there is no PC crew out to get you and I find it weird how America has this issue, but I must say allot of comedians do get allot of crap for what they say (don't get my wrong Jim Davidson is crap) which I find weird

I have a problem with PCness when something like a preacher calling homosexuality a sin, gets jail time for "hate crime". Like wise, i'd be pissed to see someone protesting against a christian calling them an idiot or something, get jail time for being intolerant. If someone calls you a bad name, guess what? Its just a bad name. What happened to sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Of course, i don't advocate people going around calling black people N*ggers, hispanics spics, or gays being called something derogatory.

I lack the necessary appendages. Ha, in every sense!

Oh, my, false Christian God! That is so PC!

The problem isn't political correctness. Political correctness is a good thing, a lot of the time.

The problem is who PC is associated with: soccer moms who would ban and burn beautiful paintings like The Birth of Venus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_Venus_%28Bouguereau%29) or the works of John Collier (painter of Lilith) in the name of protecting the eyes of their dear little childrens. The rednecks who argue against PC while affixing ropes to their rear bumpers are wrong, but there is still a danger in people deeming things offensive, and allowing social pressure to give these people power to destroy those things.

See Pleasantville (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleasantville_%28film%29) for a better illustration of this...

PC, like every other f*cking belief system on the planet, has its crazies, so...

Not to mention the problems with freedom of speech et al. should it become law.

And like any other belief system on the planet, the crazies get all the attention, and the people who want to discredit it pretend that the crazies are actually representative of the movement as a whole.

PC takes away my God-given right to be offensive!

I know! It's terrible having a complete stranger react in disgust when you make a racist joke! I mean...the nerve!

no it be more likely my kid said F off when they told they can't do something that was ok the week before

I have a problem with PCness when something like a preacher calling homosexuality a sin, gets jail time for "hate crime". Can you give me a link to a case where this has actually happened? Thanks.

And like any other belief system on the planet, the crazies get all the attention, and the people who want to discredit it pretend that the crazies are actually representative of the movement as a whole.

Yeah, just about.

Same with Communists (It's an economic system, not f*cking Stalin), Islam (terrorists =/= religious leaders), Anarchists (not all anarchists wanna run around blown' shit up all day), pagans (no devil-worship here), satanists? (i think it's actually a belief system concerning self-advancement as opposed to bowing before God), Mormons (not all of them are polygamous crazies)...

I don't like broccoli. Can I call broccoli PC? :)

Mormons (not all of them are polygamous crazies)...

No, some of them are just monogamous crazies.

Can you give me a link to a case where this has actually happened? Thanks.

It happened in sweden.


http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/12/92005f.asp


After reading that ,it looks like he was acquitted actually. But the article says that saying something negative about someone's sexual preference can be sentenced with 4 years in prison. I believe this is why fred phelps made Godhatessweden.com :p

PC takes away my God-given right to be offensive!

I think that PC at its core is more of a suggestion...

If not, then it's bad.

Wait, they do what? Is disgust a synonym for laughter?

Also you seem weird today, is it your time of the month?

The nerve! The unadulterated NERVE to ask me about my menses, and then include the insinuation that such a natual event would incite a weirdness in me! You sexist pig!

Um, ever heard of freedom of speech? PC is nothing but censorship!

Only if I have you ARRESTED for being a dipshit, rather than just calling you a dipshit and firing you from the job you hold at a private institution.

I don't like broccoli. Can I call broccoli PC? :)

Yes. Broccoli is a plot by the PC brigade to replace bolgna. Sweet bologna, I yearn for your freedom!

The nerve! The unadulterated NERVE to ask me about my menses, and then include the insinuation that such a natual event would incite a weirdness in me! You sexy pimp!
Fixed.

Only if I have you ARRESTED for being a dipshit, rather than just calling you a dipshit and firing you from the job you hold at a private institution.

Are you calling me a dipshit?

Fixed.

You've been hanging around in Fort Mac too long :D

Yes. Broccoli is a plot by the PC brigade to replace bolgna. Sweet bologna, I yearn for your freedom!

lol

I think that PC at its core is more of a suggestion...

If not, then it's bad.

Sorry, my bad for not putting the sarcasm smilie in my post.

Sorry, my bad for not putting the sarcasm smilie in my post.

Oh, OK then...

*whispers* The core of PC isn't a mandate, right?

Sorry, my bad for not putting the sarcasm smilie in my post.

I don't know why people think they should be using sarcasm via a medium that quite obviously is incapable of conveying it properly! It's confusing to those of us who take your words at face value, and I think it should be stopped.

It happened in sweden.
After reading that ,it looks like he was acquitted actually.

So, it didn't happen at all, then? He was never jailed. You lied.

But the article says that saying something negative about someone's sexual preference can be sentenced with 4 years in prison

Bullshit.

So, it didn't happen at all, then? He was never jailed. You lied.



Bullshit.

Actually, I looked up on wiki, and he served a month.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85ke_Green

I don't like PCs either, Apple is a much nicer computer

Are you calling me a dipshit?

No, I'm calling anyone who goes around calling Jews "kykes", homosexuals "faggots", slaps their female secretaries behind, etc. dipshits.

I don't like PCs either, Apple is a much nicer computer

Saying things like 'nicer' or 'better' imply that the object or person you are comparing is inferior. Stop it.

Actually, I looked up on wiki, and he served a month.

You still lie. He didn't serve any sentence.

Actually, I looked up on wiki, and he served a month.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85ke_Green

No, it says he was SENTENCED to one month, but that the sentence was overturned on appeal.

Um, ever heard of freedom of speech? PC is nothing but censorship!

I agree 100%.

Interesting analysis. Too bad I can't ignore it, and simply attack your character using words that have been banned by the PC brigade...so instead I shall bitch and moan about how the thought police have intellectually castrated right thinking people everywhere.

The thought police (they are better known as the news media)HAVE "intellectually castrated right thinking people everywhere".

PC movement i don't think we have one or they have very very little power that you don't hear of them

Yes we DO have one (it is commonly called the news media), and they are VERY powerful. TOO powerful, in fact.

I have a problem with PCness when something like a preacher calling homosexuality a sin, gets jail time for "hate crime". Like wise, i'd be pissed to see someone protesting against a christian calling them an idiot or something, get jail time for being intolerant. If someone calls you a bad name, guess what? Its just a bad name. What happened to sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Ditto here: the beneficiaries of political correctness (women, blacks, "gays", liberal Democrats, welfare recipients, illegal immigrants, Muslims, atheists, rebellious wives, effeminate males, pretty much anyone who is not a WASP, heterosexual, Bible-believing male) are so thin-skinned and hypersensitive that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING "offends" them, and they want to censor anyone who dares to challenge their perverted viewpoints. Sticks and stones may break their bones, but if names do worse than that to them, then they are too feminine and hypersensitive and they need to get over themselves and stop trying to take away the rights of those of us who do not wish to be PC!

And jailing a preacher for calling homosexuality a sin? THAT makes me mad; that's an unconstitutional infringement on freedom of religion, or rather it would be if it happened in the USA.

PC takes away my God-given right to be offensive!

Well, I don't know about it being GOD-given, but it certainly is Constitution-given in the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof, nor of abridging of freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

No, I'm calling anyone who goes around calling Jews "kykes", homosexuals "faggots", slaps their female secretaries behind, etc. dipshits.

Well I think that's uncalled for. You can't tell anything about a person's intelligence by the people he or she likes to fondle, or call names. Sheesh.

You still lie. He didn't serve any sentence.

Oh poop. I fail at reading. :( Please forgive me almighty Fass.:rolleyes:

You've been hanging around in Fort Mac too long :D
Meh, at least I will be able to afford university. This wouldn't be a problem if Campbell didn't remove the tuition freeze (which he reinstated after tuition prices skyrocketed).

Saying things like 'nicer' or 'better' imply that the object or person you are comparing is inferior. Stop it.

I'm a PCist, what can I say, I think they should be sent back to where they came from.

I don't like PCs either, Apple is a much nicer computer
Apple makes Adolf Hitler look like Wayne Brady. Unfortunately, Microsoft makes Joseph Stalin look like Wayne Brady.

Ditto here: the beneficiaries of political correctness (women, blacks, "gays", liberal Democrats, welfare recipients, illegal immigrants, Muslims, atheists, rebellious wives, effeminate males, pretty much anyone who is not a WASP, heterosexual, Bible-believing male) are so thin-skinned and hypersensitive that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING "offends" them, and they want to censor anyone who dares to challenge their perverted viewpoints. Sticks and stones may break their bones, but if names do worse than that to them, then they are too feminine and hypersensitive and they need to get over themselves and stop trying to take away the rights of those of us who do not wish to be PC!



-sigh- that's not what I meant, and you know it. Who gives a fuck if someone came up to me and said "hey you fucking loser honkey piece of shit?" I'd look at them for a minute and just walk away. How fucking hard is it to walk away? Only idiots get made over what other idiots say.

Oh poop. I fail at reading. :( Please forgive me almighty Fass.:rolleyes:

I guess you'll just have to find another country to lie about so you can feed your "woe us Christians" persecution complex.

Ditto here: the beneficiaries of political correctness (women, blacks, "gays", liberal Democrats, welfare recipients, illegal immigrants, Muslims, atheists, rebellious wives, effeminate males, pretty much anyone who is not a WASP, heterosexual, Bible-believing male) are so thin-skinned and hypersensitive that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING "offends" them, and they want to censor anyone who dares to challenge their perverted viewpoints. Sticks and stones may break their bones, but if names do worse than that to them, then they are too feminine and hypersensitive and they need to get over themselves and stop trying to take away the rights of those of us who do not wish to be PC!

I think that sums up the PC movement nicely. Feminine and hypersensitive.

Feminine is bad for obvious reason. And hypersensitive...well shit. I mean seriously people, grow a thicker skin! What...we enslaved your ancestors? Yeah, but a LONG time ago. We massacred your people, attempted to destroy their culture and moved them onto Reservations? Yeah, but a LONG time ago! What the hell are you people still bitching about? Bitches got the vote, what more do they want? I mean...seriously.

Oh poop. I fail at reading. :( Please forgive me almighty Fass.:rolleyes:

Save the sarcasm, you got served.

I mean...is it too much to ask that you actually read your own source? Or in PC fashion, should we pat you on the head and praise you for being able to turn the computer on in the first place?

I guess you'll just have to find another country to lie about so you can feed your "woe us Christians" persecution complex.

Even still, to be charged, and sentenced, for saying something like that is a pile of bullshit.

Oh there are plenty of places where Christians are being persecuted. How about Burma/Mynamar? China? Most middle eastern countries? Christians are the most persecuted group in the history of mankind. To believe other wise, as your statement would suggest, is plain idiotic. But that doesn't surprise me coming from you. They could be burning Christians outside your home, and you'd say it was just.

Save the sarcasm, you got served.

I mean...is it too much to ask that you actually read your own source? Or in PC fashion, should we pat you on the head and praise you for being able to turn the computer on in the first place?

-sigh- see, folks, this is what I am talking about. Instead of replying to her in a mean, callous way. I'm just going to walk away. Its easy!:)

Political correctness has a bad rap. It is apparently responsible for such evils as turning men into 'womenly men (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12759796&postcount=89)', turning women into lesbians, making it uncool to use racial slurs (even when we all know those jokes are true), and turning kids (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12756896#post12756896) into fat, idiotic wimps. It's all a left-wing plot of course, and we all hate it.

So when you want to bitch and moan about something, just blame it on the PC movement! Then everyone will ignore the stupid things you are saying, and join you in bashing everything PC!

Oh, and I dedicate this thread to Eutrusca, PC's #1 enemy.

I completely agree. Especially when 'everyday' people use it to explain things they don't understand or have no knowledge of. For example earlier this year at a concert in Australia the promoters didn't want people to bring the Australian flag because people the year before had used it as gang colours to join up and beat up foreign-looking people. Of course, lots of people who for whatever reason didn't know better just blamed this on 'political correctness'.

And it also makes me laugh when people disguise the intolerance of racism (which I find hard not to see as a virtue) as an offshoot of political correctness. Like, on movie forums for something like Birth of a Nation people will say, "man, they wouldn't make this movie these days because of all the PC losers". Happens all the time for other openly racist and bigoted works. It is such an easy thing to rally people up against and get them on your side, even if your side is grossly racist.

-sigh- see, folks, this is what I am talking about. Instead of replying to her in a mean, callous way. I'm just going to walk away. Its easy!:)

*pats on head*

Good boy!

Even still, to be charged, and sentenced, for saying something like that is a pile of bullshit.

Oh there are plenty of places where Christians are being persecuted. How about Burma/Mynamar? China? Most middle eastern countries? Christians are the most persecuted group in the history of mankind. To believe other wise, as your statement would suggest, is plain idiotic. But that doesn't surprise me coming from you. They could be burning Christians outside your home, and you'd say it was just.
Um, Jews.

Even still, to be charged, and sentenced, for saying something like that is a pile of bullshit.

The only pile of bullshit is the Christian nonsense he regurgitated.

Christians are the most persecuted group in the history of mankind.

Bwahahahahaha! Yeah, when will you Christians ever catch a break? You're not even allowed to kill my kind any more! Let alone heretics and pagans! You poor people, you. It must be so hard not to get to commit genocide...

They could be burning Christians outside your home, and you'd say it was just.

Payback's a bitch.

And it's horrible! It means you can't say '******' even though it's clearly NOT a racial slur anymore...it means you can't pat the female secretary on the ass anymore, even though the slut clearly wants you too...it means you can't beat up gay men for shits and giggles and get away with it...

Seriously, Australia...stay FAR away from PC!

This is plainly false.

The first example is covered by simple decency - no decent person says "******" to begin with.

The second is covered by sexual harassment law, which has nothing to do with political correctness.

The third has to do with assault / battery laws. Nothing in the world to do with political correctness. Equal protection under law also plays in here, but not PC.


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On the other had, political correctness is actually, in the real world, aimed at using the measure of touchy feelings and emotion to change language.

For instance, it isn't PC to call a black person black - rather, "african american."

A retarded child retarded, rather "developmentally disabled," a stupid child stupid, an intelligent child intelligent, rather "gifted."

PC is in reality just an annoyance, something to pay lip service to for out-of-touch academics and activists, women, and panderers.

Apple makes Adolf Hitler look like Wayne Brady. Unfortunately, Microsoft makes Joseph Stalin look like Wayne Brady.

Is there any electronics company that doesn't make someone (excepting Wayne Brady), somewhere, look like Wayne Brady?

The only pile of bullshit is the Christian nonsense he regurgitated.



Bwahahahahaha! Yeah, when will you Christians ever catch a break? You're not even allowed to kill my kind anymore! You poor people, you.



Payback's a bitch.

So, because what people have done in the western church, it makes it right for good christians world wide to be persecuted? and look at the persecution complex now; "my people hurt your people" Who are my people? Who are yours?

You have to be the biggest hypocrite I know on this damn site. On one hand you mock people that disagree with PCness towards certain groups, yet when it comes to Christianity, you could care less. Fass, you seriously need to grow up and quit being a bitch.

The only pile of bullshit is the Christian nonsense he regurgitated.

And the fact that the judge even CONSIDERED a legal prosecution in violation of the First Amendment valid.


Payback's a bitch.

Life isn't some f*cking game of tag to be played over the centuries, punishing innocent people for what other assholes in the 1200s did. Thus, your retort is made of phail.

*pats on head*

Good boy!


Don't I get a dog biscuit?

Um, Jews.

Oh, they're just a bunch of "Christ killers" that don't count to Zilam. No, the Christians are the victims! Oh, the pogroms they had to enact... I mean, endure.

And it's horrible! It means you can't say '******' even though it's clearly NOT a racial slur anymore...it means you can't pat the female secretary on the ass anymore, even though the slut clearly wants you too...it means you can't beat up gay men for shits and giggles and get away with it...

Seriously, Australia...stay FAR away from PC!

Considering Australia has John Howard and Potato Factory, I think it's doing a terrific job of staying away from PC.

Is there any electronics company that doesn't make someone (excepting Wayne Brady), somewhere, look like Wayne Brady?
Yes, there are some.

The Swedish constitution doesn't have amendments. Get an education.

Oh... Oops, I saw stupidity and thought it was a US case. Sorry, force of habit.

1200's? More like the 1940s.

Does it matter?

Oh, they're just a bunch of "Christ killers" that don't count to Zilam. No, the Christians are the victims! Oh, the pogroms they had to enact... I mean, endure.


when did I call Jews Christ killers? And its a statistical proof that Christians have been the most persecuted group on earth.

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/17916.htm

-snippet from article-
There are now more than 300 million Christians who are either threatened with violence or legally discriminated against simply because of their faith - more than any other religion. Christians are no longer, as far as I am aware, thrown to the lions. But from China, North Korea and Malaysia, through India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, they are subjected to legalised discrimination, violence, imprisonment, relocation and forced conversion. Even in supposedly Christian Europe, Christianity has become the most mocked religion, its followers treated with public suspicion and derision.

And the fact that the judge even CONSIDERED a legal prosecution in violation of the First Amendment valid.

The Swedish constitution doesn't have amendments. Get an education.

Life isn't some f*cking game of tag to be played over the centuries, punishing innocent people for what other assholes in the 1200s did.

1200's? More like the 1940s.

Payback's a bitch.

And utterly irrational and morally wrong. There is no moral balance sheet that allows the repression and murder of innocent people as some kind of perverted repayment for past crimes.

So, because what people have done in the western church, it makes it right for good christians world wide to be persecuted?

Oh, yeah, "persecuted". What, they don't get to be dominant? How awful. Boo-fucking-hoo.

You have to be the biggest hypocrite I know on this damn site. On one hand you mock people that disagree with PCness towards certain groups, yet when it comes to Christianity, you could care less. Fass, you seriously need to grow up and quit being a bitch.

Yeah, I couldn't give a fuck about Christians, that's true. That's sort of what I do with people who follow a book that says I should be killed. Aren't I the awful person for not standing for that? Please, Zilam, will you ever forgive me for me not thinking it's OK for your religion to want me dead? I am so mean, that way. You poor Christians, it must be so hard for you that I object to propaganda aimed at ending my life.

This is plainly false. You are so out of touch...

]The first example is covered by simple decency - no decent person says "******" to begin with. They call each other that all the time! It has obviously lost any sort of negative connotation...so why the hell can't we say it? I mean...okay fine, it meant something bad a long time ago, but things change, you know? Now it's like...a term of endearment. My ******!

The second is covered by sexual harassment law, which has nothing to do with political correctness. Oh right, PC had nothing to do with those laws? How is it sexual harrassment when that slut of a secretary shows up in a barely-there mini skirt and practically BEGS for male attention...then turns around and uses this PC bullshit to enrich herself when she actually GETS that attention? I mean...really.

The third has to do with assault / battery laws. Nothing in the world to do with political correctness. Equal protection under law also plays in here, but not PC. Okay, fine, I suppose assault is not something we want to encourage.



On the other had, political correctness is actually, in the real world, aimed at using the measure of touchy feelings and emotion to change language.

For instance, it isn't PC to call a black person black - rather, "african american." That just irks me. I mean...look, they've all got black skin, right? Or, well, sort of browny skin. But anyway, they are all clearly the same kind of people...so black works fine! Who cares if they're from Africa or not? Next thing you know, they'll expect us to say things like Somali-American, or Jamaican-American...like it matters where one darky comes from as compared to another.

A retarded child retarded, rather "developmentally disabled," That is totally crazy. Are we trying to make the retards think they AREN'T retarded or something? Yes, they SHOULD be ashamed for being so fricking...retarded!



a stupid child stupid, an intelligent child intelligent, rather "gifted." I know, as a teacher it enraged me that we couldn't just acknowledge the true intellectual capacity of our students more honestly. The stupid kids should be in the stupid class, and the smart kids in the smart class. Plus, everyone knows that stupid kids are hard to teach, and it's not really worth it anyway.

PC is in reality just an annoyance, something to pay lip service to for out-of-touch academics and activists, women, and panderers.
What is WITH those people?

Oh, yeah, "persecuted". What, they don't get to be dominant? How awful.



Yeah, I couldn't give a fuck about Christians, that's true. That's sort of what I do with people who follow a book that says I should be killed. Aren't I the awful person for not standing for that? Please, Zilam, will you ever forgive me for me not thinking it's OK for your religion to want me dead? I am so mean, that way. You poor Christians, it must be so hard for you that I object to propaganda aimed at ending my life.

Oi. if you even knew anything about Christianity, you'd know the words of Christ, such as judge not, lest ye be judged. Did I ever once say i want to kill you? did my congregation? did any of my christian friends? Did Jesus say that we should kill homosexuals? No. If you you knew anything, you'd realize that true Christians were to be accepting of sinners, as all sin is equal in the eyes of God. Its too bad that your blind hatred has made you look like a fool.

1200's? More like the 1940s.

The date is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it happened in 1207 or 2007... innocent people do not deserve to suffer repression because of the actions of others. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just another part of the same pantheon of hatred that has dogged human civilization since its inception.

There is no moral balance sheet that allows the repression and murder of innocent people as some kind of perverted repayment for past crimes.

We could devise one… :rolleyes:

Well I think that's uncalled for. You can't tell anything about a person's intelligence by the people he or she likes to fondle, or call names. Sheesh.

Yes i can, and indeed I just did.

Just for kicks and giggles, I once read a book called Politically Correct Fairy Tales. Trust me, if anything can demonstrate the complete shredding of culture and intelligent thought inherent in "let's make everyone happy and walk on eggshells" political correctness, it's that book. I also call to the stand Fahrenheit 451 as a witness to what overused political correctness and the whole "let's make everyone happy" mindset can eventually lead to. It's just stupid, folks, and it weakens us.

We could devise one… :rolleyes:

Terrifyingly, yes we can. Human lives weighed against each other as if they are a commodity in some twisted game of retribution. Gods help us if we ever go that far because we are lost as a species and as a civilization.

Yes i can, and indeed I just did.

Well it's not very nice.

I have a problem with PCness when something like a preacher calling homosexuality a sin, gets jail time for "hate crime". Like wise, i'd be pissed to see someone protesting against a christian calling them an idiot or something, get jail time for being intolerant. If someone calls you a bad name, guess what? Its just a bad name. What happened to sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Of course, i don't advocate people going around calling black people N*ggers, hispanics spics, or gays being called something derogatory.

I blame shrinks, if it wasn't for shrinks people who can be hurt by words wouldn't survive long enough to be a problem.

Oi. if you even knew anything about Christianity, you'd know the words of Christ, such as judge not, lest ye be judged. Did I ever once say i want to kill you? did my congregation? did any of my christian friends? Did Jesus say that we should kill homosexuals? No. If you you knew anything, you'd realize that true Christians were to be accepting of sinners, as all sin is equal in the eyes of God. Its too bad that your blind hatred has made you look like a fool.

Poppy-fuckin'-cock. Your holy book says that I should be killed, and no matter how much you'd like to pretend that it doesn't and fool people into it that won't change anything, because it still says so, as a matter of freaking law. So I work to marginalise your religion and make people realise what a bunch of crap it is. It's far, far nicer than what your lot would do to me if you got what you wanted.

Poppy-fuckin'-cock. Your holy book says that I should be killed, and no matter how much you'd like to pretend that it doesn't and fool people into it that won't change anything, because it still says so, as a matter of freaking law. So I work to marginalise your religion and make people realise what a bunch of crap it is. It's far, far nicer than what your lot would do to me if you got what you wanted.

I guess the fact that Christ came to fulfill the law, effectivly negating the old law(the part with killing homosexuals, prostitutes and so one) means nothing to you? Those rules don't apply to Christians anymore. Unfortunatly there are dumbasses in and out of the church that like to believe other wise.

You are so out of touch...

They call each other that all the time! It has obviously lost any sort of negative connotation...so why the hell can't we say it? I mean...okay fine, it meant something bad a long time ago, but things change, you know? Now it's like...a term of endearment. My ******!

Oh right, PC had nothing to do with those laws? How is it sexual harrassment when that slut of a secretary shows up in a barely-there mini skirt and practically BEGS for male attention...then turns around and uses this PC bullshit to enrich herself when she actually GETS that attention? I mean...really.
Okay, fine, I suppose assault is not something we want to encourage.

That just irks me. I mean...look, they've all got black skin, right? Or, well, sort of browny skin. But anyway, they are all clearly the same kind of people...so black works fine! Who cares if they're from Africa or not? Next thing you know, they'll expect us to say things like Somali-American, or Jamaican-American...like it matters where one darky comes from as compared to another.
That is totally crazy. Are we trying to make the retards think they AREN'T retarded or something? Yes, they SHOULD be ashamed for being so fricking...retarded!

I know, as a teacher it enraged me that we couldn't just acknowledge the true intellectual capacity of our students more honestly. The stupid kids should be in the stupid class, and the smart kids in the smart class. Plus, everyone knows that stupid kids are hard to teach, and it's not really worth it anyway.

What is WITH those people?

1) That doesn't address the fact that decent people don't say "******." You can say it if you want, but I wont. And it isn't because of political correctness.

2) Where is the PC here? Sexual harassment is a form of harassment, if people are to be treated equally, then women should have legal recourse if harassed on the job.

3) This reasoning would be honest if I (or anyone else) insisted that white people be separated and referred to based on where their ancestors were from, specifically. This isn't the case though, of course. If "white" works for people with (gasp) white skin, then "black" works for people with (Save me jesus!) black skin. Black Americans aren't "African Americans," they are Americans who happen to be black. Imagine that. :rolleyes:

4) Changing "retarded" to whatever the nom du jour is (and lord knows it changes, I have an elementary school teacher in the family) doesn't change any facts, and doesn't change how anyone is treated.

5) If you believe that then its probably better you aren't a teacher anymore, isn't. I'll do you the favor of taking what you write at face value, instead of imagining some sinister, hidden, code-worded, invisible evil motivations. Maybe you can try the same some day? Being civil, you know.

Just for kicks and giggles, I once read a book called Politically Correct Fairy Tails. Trust me, if anything can demonstrate the complete shredding of culture and intelligent thought inherent in "let's make everyone happy and walk on eggshells" political correctness, it's that book. I also call to the stand Fahrenheit 451 as a witness to what overused political correctness and the whole "let's make everyone happy" mindset can eventually lead to. It's just stupid, folks, and it weakens us.

The funniest thing about Politically Correct Fairy Tales? It was a bullshit strawman built by people who oppose PCism...and then attacked by those self-same people as though the PC brigade themselves had written it!

Look ma, look at what I built! A man out of straw! I'll call him Jebediah, and I'm going to whack 'em ma! Whack 'em good! That'll teach all those Jebediahs out there!

Poppy-fuckin'-cock. Your holy book says that I should be killed, and no matter how much you'd like to pretend that it doesn't and fool people into it that won't change anything, because it still says so, as a matter of freaking law. So I work to marginalise your religion and make people realise what a bunch of crap it is. It's far, far nicer than what your lot would do to me if you got what you wanted.

Well, Fass, let's see these verses and analyze them accordingly. Rather than just continue to repeat the mantra, let's have some evidence and move forward from there. We can bring up the verses, examine them in a critical light, and see what they are really saying. Plenty of theologians have written on the Bible, and I am sure the resources are available to analyze them in depth.

And, of course, you forget the fact that the largest denomination of Christianity does not espouse sola scriptura and that their religious tradition does not consider homosexuality a crime punishable of death. Now, if you want to ignore the beliefs of over one billion people, so be it, but don't paint Christians with a broad brush without considering all of the facts.

The date is irrelevant.

Tell that to the survivors.

It doesn't matter if it happened in 1207 or 2007... innocent people do not deserve to suffer repression because of the actions of others. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just another part of the same pantheon of hatred that has dogged human civilization since its inception.

Oh, cry me a river. "Innocent people suffering", my ass - if Christians got their way - like they used to - then we'd talk about innocent people suffering. The sheer gall of Zilam to claim that Christians were "the most persecuted people in history" is a fucking loogey to face of all the people that have suffered real persecution, and especially that at the hands of "the religion of love".

You are so out of touch...

They call each other that all the time! It has obviously lost any sort of negative connotation...so why the hell can't we say it? I mean...okay fine, it meant something bad a long time ago, but things change, you know? Now it's like...a term of endearment. My ******!

Reminds me of a Jackie Chan film… (possibly Rush Hour?) :rolleyes:

That just irks me. I mean...look, they've all got black skin, right? Or, well, sort of browny skin. But anyway, they are all clearly the same kind of people...so black works fine! Who cares if they're from Africa or not? Next thing you know, they'll expect us to say things like Somali-American, or Jamaican-American...like it matters where one darky comes from as compared to another.

Yeah, clearly all the same sort of people… not like us, anyway… :rolleyes:

That is totally crazy. Are we trying to make the retards think they AREN'T retarded or something? Yes, they SHOULD be ashamed for being so fricking...retarded!

Because it's totally their fault… :rolleyes:

I know, as a teacher it enraged me that we couldn't just acknowledge the true intellectual capacity of our students more honestly. The stupid kids should be in the stupid class, and the smart kids in the smart class. Plus, everyone knows that stupid kids are hard to teach, and it's not really worth it anyway.

Hurrah for equal opportunity! :rolleyes:
Actually, that makes no sense whatsoever. The whole point of equal opportunity in education is that one can say "Well, we tried". If you don't bother trying to teach the stupid, erm, 'lower grade average' kids, the problem becomes equally your fault. I mean, honestly: "Yeah, we noticed this kid didn't seem too smart, so instead of trying to help him, we just ignored him and hoped that he would go away."

You've earned my most scornful applause.

I guess the fact that Christ came to fulfill the law, effectivly negating the old law(the part with killing homosexuals, prostitutes and so one) means nothing to you? Those rules don't apply to Christians anymore. Unfortunatly there are dumbasses in and out of the church that like to believe other wise.

Unfortunately, some of those dumbasses get into high positions within the various Churches. Some of those dumbasses also get into important political positions.

So when that happens, yes, it makes your faith look bad. That's a battle for you to wage then, within your faith. You don't get to speak for all Christianity, any more than they do.

I guess the fact that Christ came to fulfill the law, effectivly negating the old law(the part with killing homosexuals, prostitutes and so one) means nothing to you?

You're not fooling anyone with that bit but yourself. If such denial is what you need to stoop to to be able to continue being a Christian... well, it's quite telling, really.

You don't get to speak for all Christianity, any more than they do.

Nor do you get to speak for all non-Christians.

Tell that to the survivors.



Oh, cry me a river. "Innocent people suffering", my ass - if Christians got their way - like they used to - then we'd talk about innocent people suffering. The sheer gall of Zilam to claim that Christians were "the most persecuted people in history" is a fucking to face of all the people that have suffered real persecution, and especially that at the hands of "the religion of love".

I suppose that being crucified, feed to lions, being burned alive, stoned, and so on is not a form of real persecution? Furthermore, don't look at Christians as an example of how a christian should be. God knows that man has faults. Look at Christ. That is how we are supposed to live. But once again, you'd rather plug your ears, go "nah nah nah, i can't hear you" and ignore reality.

And, of course, you forget the fact that the largest denomination of Christianity does not espouse sola scriptura and that their religious tradition does not consider homosexuality a crime punishable of death. Now, if you want to ignore the beliefs of over one billion people, so be it, but don't paint Christians with a broad brush without considering all of the facts.

I mean, really Fass...you should be happy that most Christians don't actually want you dead. They just know you're going to roast in eternal hellfire when you die, and wish to deny you basic human rights while you live.

The funniest thing about Politically Correct Fairy Tales? It was a bullshit strawman built by people who oppose PCism...and then attacked by those self-same people as though the PC brigade themselves had written it!

Look ma, look at what I built! A man out of straw! I'll call him Jebediah, and I'm going to whack 'em ma! Whack 'em good! That'll teach all those Jebediahs out there!Actually, I liked that book because I understood it was a stark parody. I have a few friends who read the book and called me saying "I can't believe those stupid PC people actually wrote this! Do they not understand the horrors they have wrought on our childhood memories???", and I have to explain to them the concept of a parody.

Kudos on the Jebediah illustration, by the way! Classic!

Nor do you get to speak for all non-Christians.

What? I didn't get THAT memo?

Non-Christians of the world...UNITE!

I mean, really Fass...you should be happy that most Christians don't actually want you dead.

Yeah, right.

They just know you're going to roast in eternal hellfire when you die, and wish to deny you basic human rights while you live.

Yeah, what a **** I am for finding objection with that!

Unfortunately, some of those dumbasses get into high positions within the various Churches. Some of those dumbasses also get into important political positions.

So when that happens, yes, it makes your faith look bad. That's a battle for you to wage then, within your faith. You don't get to speak for all Christianity, any more than they do.

Oh I know all this to be true. I also know that I am not the best to be speaking for my faith to non believers, especially since I am quick to temper, curse, and so on. But hey, I'm trying, and thats all that matters.

Tell that to the survivors.

Tell it to the Christian survivors of repression at the hands of repressive regimes. They have suffered just as bad as anyone else.

Oh, cry me a river. "Innocent people suffering", my ass - if Christians got their way - like they used to - then we'd talk about innocent people suffering. The sheer gall of Zilam to claim that Christians were "the most persecuted people in history" is a fucking to face of all the people that have suffered real persecution, and especially that at the hands of "the religion of love".

Oh, so the people beheaded and imprisoned in Middle Eastern countries, tortured, worked like slaves and killed by the NKVD under Stalin, butchered by genocidal warlords and dictators in the Sudan and jailed and fined in China and executed in North Korea even in present have not suffered real persecution? Pray tell, Fass, what is real persecution?

Actually, I liked that book because I understood it was a stark parody. I have a few friends who read the book and called me saying "I can't believe those stupid PC people actually wrote this! Do they not understand the horrors they have wrought on our childhood memories???", and I have to explain to them the concept of a parody. Well, once again, that's the problem with parody, satire and sarcasm. Too often it flies right over people's heads.

The book did drag on a little long though...one story was enough to get the point across :D

Kudos on the Jebediah illustration, by the way! Classic!
What...that isn't a rural pastime where you're from?

You've earned my most scornful applause.

I just don't understand why you keep rolling your eyes at me like that. You aren't even considering how it's hurting my feelings.

Tell it to the Christian survivors of repression at the hands of repressive regimes. They have suffered just as bad as anyone else.



Oh, so the people beheaded and imprisoned in Middle Eastern countries, tortured, worked like slaves and killed by the NKVD under Stalin, butchered by genocidal warlords and dictators in the Sudan and jailed and fined in China and executed in North Korea even in present have not suffered real persecution? Pray tell, Fass, what is real persecution?

oh come on Vetalia! You know that persecution can only happen to people of non hetereosexual, non european, non religious status! :rolleyes:

Yay for sarcasm working both ways!

Tell it to the Christian survivors of repression at the hands of repressive regimes. They have suffered just as bad as anyone else.

And would make anyone else suffer if they had gotten to run the shots.

Oh, so the people beheaded and imprisoned in Middle Eastern countries, tortured, worked like slaves and killed by the NKVD under Stalin, butchered by genocidal warlords and dictators in the Sudan and jailed and fined in China and executed in North Korea even in present have not suffered real persecution? Pray tell, Fass, what is real persecution?

Ah, so that's the new "Christian pogroms" they've invented? My, my, they're really stoking up that complex.

Oh I know all this to be true. I also know that I am not the best to be speaking for my faith to non believers, especially since I am quick to temper, curse, and so on. But hey, I'm trying, and thats all that matters.

I'd like you to consider how you'd react, if I, as an atheist, went around calling all non-atheists 'believers'.

Bunch of bunged up believers...

(say it really fast and it sounds like beavers...neato!)

I'd like you to consider how you'd react, if I, as an atheist, went around calling all non-atheists 'believers'.

Bunch of bunged up believers...

(say it really fast and it sounds like beavers...neato!)


It wouldn't bother me. Who am I to judge who is a believer and who isn't?

Besides a believer can mean anything. A believer of karma, Islam, capitalism, etc.

(Beaver is funny word..I had this picture of this cop car,from a town called beaver, and it said Beaver Police..Oh how i laughed :D)

I just don't understand why you keep rolling your eyes at me like that. You aren't even considering how it's hurting my feelings.

Yeah, like this: Yes, they SHOULD be ashamed for being so fricking...retarded! isn't going to harm the self-esteem of anyone.

I just don't understand why you keep rolling your eyes at me like that. You aren't even considering how it's hurting my feelings.

Ugh, you're discussing your feelings now? Evidently the PC bug has got the better of you, "comrade". The sooner we weed out these so-called people who flaunt their emotions wantonly in public, the better we'll all undoubtedly be.

I think.

Did I do that right?

And would make anyone else suffer if they had gotten to run the shots.

Oh, really? I'd like to see proof that these people would do the same thing...I'm really curious to see how you can see in to the minds of all these people and determine that they would behead or torment their fellow citizens if given the opportunity to do so. Fass, provide the evidence.

Ah, so that's the new "Christian pogroms" they've invented? My, my, they're really stoking up that complex.

So you dismiss their suffering and ignore the evidence? Your irrational hatred blinds you just like any fanatic.

Did I do that right?

Yes… yes I believe you did.

It wouldn't bother me. Who am I to judge who is a believer and who isn't?

Besides a believer can mean anything. A believer of karma, Islam, capitalism, etc.

(Beaver is funny word..I had this picture of this cop car,from a town called beaver, and it said Beaver Police..Oh how i laughed :D)

So what am I not believing, when you label me a non-believer?

I believe in the power of pixie dust and good thoughts.

I believe that Spam should never be consumed by humans.

I believe that Stephen Harper is actually a giant boil that separated from Dubya's ass.

How am I a non-believer?

Oh, really? I'd like to see proof that these people would do the same thing...I'm really curious to see how you can see in to the minds of all these people and determine that they would behead or torment their fellow citizens if given the opportunity to do so. Fass, provide the evidence.

Their holy book and history is all the evidence needed. "Fool me once, shame on you. Try to fool me a second time, and I'll tell you to fuck off."

So you dismiss their suffering and ignore the evidence? Your irrational hatred blinds you just like any fanatic.

Oh, yes, "the evidence" of how they're "the most persecuted in the history of the world". Yes, I ignore this "evidence". And, yes, I do hate people who think that a movement that wants me dead is peachy. I'm not ashamed of that in the least.

Ugh, you're discussing your feelings now? Evidently the PC bug has got the better of you, "comrade". The sooner we weed out these so-called people who flaunt their emotions wantonly in public, the better we'll all undoubtedly be.

I think.

Did I do that right?
Beautifully:)

It's true. Feminisation and think-skinned hysteria...watch out, it'll get YOU next!

So what am I not believing, when you label me a non-believer?

I believe in the power of pixie dust and good thoughts.

I believe that Spam should never be consumed by humans.

I believe that Stephen Harper is actually a giant boil that separated from Dubya's ass.

How am I a non-believer?

Well, I could refer to you a non believer of Christian theology, but damn, that requires me to type extra! :p

Yeah, like this: isn't going to harm the self-esteem of anyone.

They're retarded. Like they'd notice.

I'd like you to consider how you'd react, if I, as an atheist, went around calling all non-atheists 'believers'.

Hmm, the phrase 'non-believer' typically carries negative connotations (ie "Shun the…"), whereas believer implies condonement… so they probably really would not mind.

They're retarded. Like they'd notice.

Possible conversation:
"You're retarted!"
"Guh?"

I suppose it could happen.

Oh, really? I'd like to see proof that these people would do the same thing...I'm really curious to see how you can see in to the minds of all these people and determine that they would behead or torment their fellow citizens if given the opportunity to do so. Fass, provide the evidence. How many out of the 50 states in the US allow gay people to get married? How many of them allow a common-law set-up?

Political will is a messy thing, but it pretty accurately portrays the morals and beliefs of the majority. How many 'Christian' nations give the same rights to homosexuals as heterosexuals?

Hmm, the phrase 'non-believer' typically carries negative connotations (ie "Shun the…"), whereas believer implies condonement… so they probably really would not mind.

Yeah, I considered that. But then, I thought...what if we only referred to religious folks by HUMMING the tune to "I'm a a believer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji_ubelO0Ow)"? Trust me, that'd get annoying real quick.

Yeah, I considered that. But then, I thought...what if we only referred to religious folks by HUMMING the tune to "I'm a a believer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji_ubelO0Ow)"? Trust me, that'd get annoying real quick.

Yeah, but that would be annoying for everyone, not just people who are religious.

How many out of the 50 states in the US allow gay people to get married? How many of them allow a common-law set-up? and the US is the shining beacon of Christianity since when?



Political will is a messy thing, but it pretty accurately portrays the morals and beliefs of the majority. How many 'Christian' nations give the same rights to homosexuals as heterosexuals?

I believe Europe is considered Christian, culturally anyways, and isn't there laws protecting marriage for gays there?

Their holy book and history is all the evidence needed. "Fool me once, shame on you. Try to fool me a second time, and I'll tell you to fuck off."

So, you have no evidence? I thought so. Just a vague dodge and nothing more. Let's examine the fact that there are over 2 billion Christians dominating the cultures of a significant portion of the world and they have not used their power for repression in decades, even centuries. In fact, many of the most developed, peaceful nations in the world with a wide variety of personal freedoms have significant Christian populations and they are in a position to wield power, and yet they do nothing wrong.

If you're going to make up broad smears without evidence, go ahead, but don't try to argue that your position is rational or even remotely justified. Irrational hatred is irrational hatred.

Oh, yes, "the evidence" of how they're "the most persecuted in the history of the world". Yes, I ignore this "evidence". And, yes, I do hate people who think that a movement that wants me dead is peachy. I'm not ashamed of that in the least.

I'm not talking about "the most persecuted", I'm talking about the fact that they are being persecuted. Now, answer the evidence I have provided: are Christians being persecuted in many parts of the world?

And again with the "they want me dead" part...I guess you just ignore the teachings of the Catholic Church and many of the others out there, and you ignore Zilam's comments on the role of Jesus in changing the laws of the Old Testament.

Fass, you have no argument.

Yeah, but that would be annoying for everyone, not just people who are religious.

Damn.

Bunch of non-atheists!

I have nothing against politeness - it's when someone gets fired or expelled from a school for using a word instead of its "PC" synonym that I get annoyed. When the thought or idea is acceptable, but the specific way you said it is the problem.

How many out of the 50 states in the US allow gay people to get married? How many of them allow a common-law set-up?

Political will is a messy thing, but it pretty accurately portrays the morals and beliefs of the majority. How many 'Christian' nations give the same rights to homosexuals as heterosexuals?

Allowing gays to marry isn't the same thing as cutting heads off or jailing people for their beliefs. I agree that that is wrong, but it's nowhere near the same as the genocide in the Sudan or slavery in North Korea. And don't forget the fact that all of the officially atheist regimes in history also outlawed gay marriage; in fact, they punished homosexuality far worse than any modern Christian regime and still do. Morals in this case appear to have little correlation to religious belief.

Damn.

Bunch of non-atheists!

You mean theists?

Well it's not very nice.

The truth isn't always nice.

I have nothing against politeness - it's when someone gets fired or expelled from a school for using a word instead of its "PC" synonym that I get annoyed. When the thought or idea is acceptable, but the specific way you said it is the problem.

Agreed. Politeness has its many social and moral advantages, but there are limits. We polite people should content ourselves with :rolleyes:

and the US is the shining beacon of Christianity since when? It's not a theocracy, by any means. But the majority of people in your nation are still of the Chrisitan faith. Now tell me that doesn't eke into your politics. Tell me, so I can laugh.

The majority of Christian countries (culturally Christian) are slowly, very slowly emerging into the 21st century when it comes to equal rights for homosexuals. Argentina, for example, allows civil unions for gays, in Buenos Aires...but no adoption. Hey, homosexuality was even LEGALISED in Chile in 1998! Wow! Then again, that same country removed a Supreme Court judge from his position when it was found out he went to a gay sauna.

Most of Latin America is 'Christian'. That faith has set up huge roadblocks when it comes to homosexual equality...and denying it would really give me a chuckle. It's not the law, necessarily, that are the real problem. It's the attitudes. "Don't want a fag teaching my son!"

"Don't ask, don't tell!"

"Ok fine, but raising children? That's just...wrong."

It's not a theocracy, by any means. But the majority of people in your nation are still of the Chrisitan faith. Now tell me that doesn't eke into your politics. Tell me, so I can laugh.

The majority of Christian countries (culturally Christian) are slowly, very slowly emerging into the 21st century when it comes to equal rights for homosexuals. Argentina, for example, allows civil unions for gays, in Buenos Aires...but no adoption. Hey, homosexuality was even LEGALISED in Chile in 1998! Wow! Then again, that same country removed a Supreme Court judge from his position when it was found out he went to a gay sauna.

Most of Latin America is 'Christian'. That faith has set up huge roadblocks when it comes to homosexual equality...and denying it would really give me a chuckle. It's not the law, necessarily, that are the real problem. It's the attitudes. "Don't want a fag teaching my son!"

"Don't ask, don't tell!"

"Ok fine, but raising children? That's just...wrong."

I'll give you Latin America, to an extent. I think that both rightest and leftist dicatorships in their history, have more to do with that though.

I'll give you Latin America, to an extent. I think that both rightest and leftist dicatorships in their history, have more to do with that though.

Many Latin American countries are categorized as "nominally Christian" according to our own State Department though, remember. Basically means that people identify themselves as Christian despite their lack of any real devotion or even knowledge of the basic tenets of the religion in many cases.

Many Latin American countries are categorized as "nominally Christian" according to our own State Department though, remember. Basically means that people identify themselves as Christian despite their lack of any real devotion or even knowledge of the basic tenets of the religion in many cases.

The Mexicans are more Catholic than the pope.

Then again, they have a nice mix of indigenous beliefs in there.

But whatever. Christian discussions are boring.

Political correctness has a bad rap. It is apparently responsible for such evils as turning men into 'womenly men (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12759796&postcount=89)', turning women into lesbians, making it uncool to use racial slurs (even when we all know those jokes are true), and turning kids (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12756896#post12756896) into fat, idiotic wimps. It's all a left-wing plot of course, and we all hate it.

So when you want to bitch and moan about something, just blame it on the PC movement! Then everyone will ignore the stupid things you are saying, and join you in bashing everything PC!

Oh, and I dedicate this thread to Eutrusca, PC's #1 enemy.
Quality.

The Mexicans are more Catholic than the pope.

Then again, they have a nice mix of indigenous beliefs in there.

But whatever. Christian discussions are boring.

I agree with all of the above.

The Mexicans are more Catholic than the pope.

Then again, they have a nice mix of indigenous beliefs in there.

But whatever. Christian discussions are boring.

Tell it to the State Dept. I guess. :p

I'm with you on the boringness of it all though.

Political correctness has a bad rap. It is apparently responsible for such evils as turning men into 'womenly men (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12759796&postcount=89)', turning women into lesbians, making it uncool to use racial slurs (even when we all know those jokes are true), and turning kids (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12756896#post12756896) into fat, idiotic wimps. It's all a left-wing plot of course, and we all hate it.

So when you want to bitch and moan about something, just blame it on the PC movement! Then everyone will ignore the stupid things you are saying, and join you in bashing everything PC!

Oh, and I dedicate this thread to Eutrusca, PC's #1 enemy.
Of course. We can blame words and ideas, and pretty soon, all those pesky ideas and such will be fancies of the past.

Of course. We can blame words and ideas, and pretty soon, all those pesky ideas and such will be fancies of the past.

It would be a little simpler, at least. :p

It would be a little simpler, at least. :p

If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. —Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000
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—Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000
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True enough in the literal sense of "easier" to accomplish things. The main (probably only) benefit of dictatorship. :p

True enough in the literal sense of "easier" to accomplish things. The main (probably only) benefit of dictatorship. :p

And then, of course, Special ("Executive") Order 66 can do the rest. *nods solemnly*

Fuck PC, we tell it like it is here. Like how those Indian kids in the TAFE don't do any work and just turn up to get visas into the country. And how one of them is a pedo and keeps looking at pics of little kids in class.

Fuck PC, we tell it like it is here. Like how those Indian kids in the TAFE don't do any work and just turn up to get visas into the country. And how one of them is a pedo and keeps looking at pics of little kids in class.

Where? And what's TAFE? If a kid's looking at kiddy porn in class, that's a crim and you might want to say something about it...

Where? And what's TAFE? If a kid's looking at kiddy porn in class, that's a crim and you might want to say something about it...

Swinburne TAFE, Vic. And it's not kiddy porn, but it's like Hot or Not with kids.

Anyway, not my problem. It's Australia's problem.

Swinburne TAFE, Vic. And it's not kiddy porn, but it's like Hot or Not with kids.

Anyway, not my problem. It's Australia's problem.

Oh, I know what you mean now, sorry. It's getting a bit late for my reading accuracy. :p

[re extremism within 'PC movement']

And like any other belief system on the planet, the crazies get all the attention, and the people who want to discredit it pretend that the crazies are actually representative of the movement as a whole.


Unfortunately, some of those dumbasses get into high positions within the various Churches. Some of those dumbasses also get into important political positions.

So when that happens, yes, it makes your faith look bad. That's a battle for you to wage then , within your faith. You don't get to speak for all Christianity, any more than they do.

I might be reading this wrong, but it appears as though you are setting a more favourable standard for how we should react to extremism from those we might identify as with the 'PC movement', than from extremism within christianity.

On the one hand, we are expected to overlook crazies within the 'PC movement', presumably as it is unreasonable to expect them to be representative. But on the other hand, in your view crazies within Christianity make Christianity as a whole look bad.

Even in supposedly Christian Europe, Christianity has become the most mocked religion,

Hang on, I thought you were supporting free speech? Free speech cuts both ways.

its followers treated with public suspicion and derision.

That's probably why the UK has Bishops in the House of Lords, why the majority of our state schools are run by Christian groups, why the government is planning to hand over welfare provision to faith groups (mainly Christians), and why the BBC is obliged to broadcast religious programming. Have you ever been to Europe?

I also call to the stand Fahrenheit 451 as a witness to what overused political correctness and the whole "let's make everyone happy" mindset can eventually lead to. It's just stupid, folks, and it weakens us.

Fahrenheit 451 has absolutely nothing to do with PC, I suggest you reread it.

Fahrenheit 451 has absolutely nothing to do with PC, I suggest you reread it.

It's a darn good read, though. I had no difficulty seeing myself as Guy Montag when I first read it as a kid.

Erm, wait I forgot - "these awful books do nothing but keep people from being truly productive members of society - and were it not for the cossetting of PC culture, we could dispose of these so-called 'literary'-types in the manner they so richly deserve - by making full-colour marketing flyers out of 'em!"

There. Fixed.

PC is often a tool used to bully others into submission. It's simply not applied equally to everyone. One can use it to get a shock jock fired, but never against a friendly minority weather man on a national TV show.

http://www.walkingaftermidnight.com/

I might be reading this wrong, but it appears as though you are setting a more favourable standard for how we should react to extremism from those we might identify as with the 'PC movement', than from extremism within christianity.

On the one hand, we are expected to overlook crazies within the 'PC movement', presumably as it is unreasonable to expect them to be representative. But on the other hand, in your view crazies within Christianity make Christianity as a whole look bad.

Being anti-homosexual is a principle tenant of Christianity.

The Christians who really, honestly and truly have no trouble with homosexuality are in the minority.

Anti-homosexual Christians are not the radical fringe. Perhaps you could label anti-homosexual Christians who actually want to KILL homosexuals the radical fringe. But your average, 'being gay is a sin' Christian? No. Sorry.

It seems to me the big problem is that the principles and aims of political correctness have been forgotten. Instead you get stupid middle-managers thinking that they aren't allowed to celebrate christmas and things.

In principle, I think political correctness is a good thing.

Oh, cry me a river. "Innocent people suffering", my ass - if Christians got their way - like they used to - then we'd talk about innocent people suffering.

Evidence, please.

It seems to me the big problem is that the principles and aims of political correctness have been forgotten. Instead you get stupid middle-managers thinking that they aren't allowed to celebrate christmas and things. I agree. It seems to me, the people apply political correctness, tend to be idiots who don't understand it.

There are legitimate reasons why having a huge Christmas celebration at your school, for example, when a large proportion of students don't celebrate that particular holiday, can be seen as exclusive. Bitching and moaning about how Christianity is under fire is totally missing the point. How about, fine, have your celebration...but also take into account the diversity present and do something about it? It's not really that hard.

Evidence, please.

Hmm. The Crusades? The Inquisition? The entire Conquest of the Americas in the name of the Christian Kings of Spain and Portugal etc? Too far back?

It's not to say that Christians haven't, or are not presently being persecuted (but forgive me for not shedding a tear for those whose feelings are hurt as opposed to those actually being murdered). But like any group, when Christians have been in power, they've been as small-minded and hateful of 'outsiders' as anyone else.

In terms of 'Christian nations' being more 'enlightened'....women didn't get the vote in the province of Quebec until the 40s. Why? The RC church opposed it. Power corrupts...and conservatism is always a force to fight.

In regards to people getting fired from their job for using a word deemed unacceptable by most people:

Should a person not understand the sensibilities of the people they work with?

Would you find it peachy to have a teacher call all the students in her special learning class "retards"?

Should there be no action taken if a boss gets angry at some gay man at her company and yells to him, "get out of my office faggot"?

Would it be unwarranted for a black guy to get upset if he overhears a coworker say "Those damn niggers are so lazy"?

This is my rule:

Is it designed to keep from offending a small minority? If yes, it's politically correct bullshit. Otherwise, it's just stupid, with no other attachments. Unless it's a good idea, of course. Precious few of those, these days.

This is my rule:

Is it designed to keep from offending a small minority? If yes, it's politically correct bullshit. Otherwise, it's just stupid, with no other attachments. Unless it's a good idea, of course. Precious few of those, these days.
So true...for example we should be able to tell racist and sexist jokes at work without fear or reprisal! I mean...not allowing that is just protecting a small minority. Screw all those bitches, kikes, niggers and fags who can't take a joke!

It's true...common sense isn't, and sadly, many pricks out there still need someone to remind them when they are behaving in an inappropriate manner. As was pointed out before, PC just means some people are now rightfully seen as the idiots they are...which of course must sting.

I agree. It seems to me, the people apply political correctness, tend to be idiots who don't understand it.

There are legitimate reasons why having a huge Christmas celebration at your school, for example, when a large proportion of students don't celebrate that particular holiday, can be seen as exclusive. Bitching and moaning about how Christianity is under fire is totally missing the point. How about, fine, have your celebration...but also take into account the diversity present and do something about it? It's not really that hard.


Yes it is. Thats some PC bullshit right there. This is a CHRISTIAN nation and therefore all those Jews are being assholes for crying about feeling left out.

"Political correctness" is an empty and meaningless term designed to distract people from the debate at hand.

Indeed, it's only used by some people to hide behind, as a kind of "wink wink, nudge nudge, you know what I mean ;)".

...


Was that too serious or too on topic?

Yes it is. Thats some PC bullshit right there. This is a CHRISTIAN nation and therefore all those Jews are being assholes for crying about feeling left out.

Those sexy ass jews don't need to feel left out when I'm around :D

So true...for example we should be able to tell racist and sexist jokes at work without fear or reprisal! I mean...not allowing that is just protecting a small minority. Screw all those bitches, kikes, niggers and fags who can't take a joke!

It's true...common sense isn't, and sadly, many pricks out there still need someone to remind them when they are behaving in an inappropriate manner. As was pointed out before, PC just means some people are now rightfully seen as the idiots they are...which of course must sting.


If people cry about other people calling them out on their racism/sexism/homophobia and work towards getting that behavior stopped, doesn't that just become another form of political correctness?

"Political correctness" is an empty and meaningless term designed to distract people from the debate at hand.

Indeed, it's only used by some people to hide behind, as a kind of "wink wink, nudge nudge, you know what I mean ;)".

...


Was that too serious or too on topic?

Yes.

But it was an excellent summation of the issue. And I agree completely. It's what you do when you've got nothing else to say...cry 'PC'!

Those sexy ass jews don't need to feel left out when I'm around :D

*converts to Judaism*

Wanna spin on my dreidel?

If people cry about other people calling them out on their racism/sexism/homophobia and work towards getting that behavior stopped, doesn't that just become another form of political correctness?

"We shouldn't offend the bigots!"

"Well, maybe we shouldn't call them bigots, for starters."

"Hmm...how does...racially-insensitive sound? And for the homophobes, well we could call them sexually-insecure?"

"Sounds about right!"

Yes it is. Thats some PC bullshit right there. This is a CHRISTIAN nation and therefore all those Jews are being assholes for crying about feeling left out.

Well they get included when its time to commemorate them killing Jesus don't they?

So true...for example we should be able to tell racist and sexist jokes at work without fear or reprisal! I mean...not allowing that is just protecting a small minority. Screw all those bitches, kikes, niggers and fags who can't take a joke!

I didn't say that racist or sexist jokes should be told at work...In fact, what part of "small minority" do you not understand.

Also, it's PC bullshit if it demonstrates a total ignorance of what is likely to offend people. (Remember when those school administrators changed the story of the three little pigs? Yeah, stuff like that.)

PC just means some people are now rightfully seen as the idiots they are...which of course must sting.

My problem is that I feel in some cases PC people are either:

1. Going too far and infringing on freedom of speech
OR
2. Focusing on the wrong issues.

I didn't say that racist or sexist jokes should be told at work...In fact, what part of "small minority" do you not understand. They part where you describe what a 'small minority' is, in your estimation, and what makes them unworthy of not being targeted for bigotry.

Being anti-homosexual is a principle tenant of Christianity.

No, it's not. It's a principle tenant of these bullshit politicized churches. I think it mentions homosexuality in the Bible ONCE, while it does condemn it, one mention is hardly a "principle tenant". Admittedly, bullshit politicized church describes probably 95% of churches in America (And many other places, for that matter.)

The Christians who really, honestly and truly have no trouble with homosexuality are in the minority.

I...I'm not really sure whether that's true or not...


Anti-homosexual Christians are not the radical fringe. Perhaps you could label anti-homosexual Christians who actually want to KILL homosexuals the radical fringe. But your average, 'being gay is a sin' Christian? No. Sorry.

Even if they are a minority, they're sure as hell not a small minority.

You're misinterpreting me totally. When I say "small minority" I mean "People who are offended by everything". Like when they attacked those Sony ads for the PSP in Europe? Anyone remember those? For the new white PSP? Or, more recently, that street racing commercial for the Xbox 360?

Or the Taco Bell dog?

EDIT: DOUBLE time-warp FTW!

They part where you describe what a 'small minority' is, in your estimation, and what makes them unworthy of not being targeted for bigotry.

You're misinterpreting me totally. When I say "small minority" I mean "People who are offended by everything". Like when they attacked those Sony ads for the PSP in Europe? Anyone remember those? For the new white PSP? Or, more recently, that street racing commercial for the Xbox 360?

So everyone here wants to restrict speech? I'll have to remember that.

I don't.

EDIT: Time-warped USMC again!

So everyone here wants to restrict speech? I'll have to remember that.

So everyone here wants to restrict speech? I'll have to remember that.



REally? Where do you see that? I think that we are just defending our right to call bigots "bigots" against the 'anti-PC' crowds wishes to just let them be.

Or the Taco Bell dog?

EDIT: DOUBLE time-warp FTW!

Exactly!

Although I didn't know anyone claimed the Taco Bell dog was offensive. A lot of the people who say something is "offensive" to a group aren't even members of that group. For example, a while back, some college group wanted to do a little thing to raise awareness about illegal immigration and organized a capture-the-flag game where the two sides were "Border Patrol" and "Illegal Immigrants". Naturally, several people got very riled up about this, calling it "offensive". The average person's reaction was more along the lines of "Sure it's tasteless, but it's FUNNY!". Nothing wrong with a little humor that offends people. Where would we be without George Carlin? I'll tell you where we'd be-WE'D HAVE LESS GREAT QUOTES! Also Soviet Russia would never have collapsed, nuclear war would've broken out, and radiation would mutate platypi into massive, monolithic monsters. On the plus side, however, the third "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie would've been great. So it's a trade-off.

So everyone here wants to restrict speech? I'll have to remember that.

Haven't you whined at us for "Failure to support the troops" for criticizing the Iraq war?

So everyone here wants to restrict speech? I'll have to remember that.

I seem to recall you suggesting that a politician whose name escapes me be charged with treason for saying the Iraq war would be unwinnable if you just "Stay The Course".

I seem to recall you suggesting that a politician whose name escapes me be charged with treason for saying the Iraq war would be unwinnable if you just "Stay The Course".

I think it was actually SL who suggested it, and he presumably supported it. And his name is Harry Reid or some such.

And actually, it doesn't negate his point. He said that everybody on here supports restricting freedom of speech, and he's included in everybody. I mean, reality negates his point, but what he said previously does not.

Curiously, Fass never responded to me. I suppose his bigoted tripe has finally been revealed to be the irrational hate it really is.

So everyone here wants to restrict speech? I'll have to remember that.

Memory is just another excuse for you rubes in the PC movement to curtail our God-given freedom to forget shit all the time. Say hello to your pal Trotsky for us there, "comrade".

Yes.

But it was an excellent summation of the issue. And I agree completely. It's what you do when you've got nothing else to say...cry 'PC'!

It was. And you're right (Though surprisingly active, sarcastic / ironic and amusing in this thread ;) )

It's just that I'm tired of everybody and their dog complaining about PC without clearly defining what exactly they're complaining about. And so, serious complaining about something being PC is most likely simple drivel.

Carry on though :fluffle:

I don't.

EDIT: Time-warped USMC again!

That's been happening a lot recently.

I seem to recall you suggesting that a politician whose name escapes me be charged with treason for saying the Iraq war would be unwinnable if you just "Stay The Course".

I don't want to threadjack but you started it:p. There is obviously a big difference in your rights while in the military or employed by the government at such a high level as opposed to when you are a civilian.

I don't want to threadjack but you started it:p. There is obviously a big difference in your rights while in the military or employed by the government at such a high level as opposed to when you are a civilian.

Untrue.

Memory is just another excuse for you rubes in the PC movement to curtail our God-given freedom to forget shit all the time. Say hello to your pal Trotsky for us there, "comrade".

Sign you've been on NSG too long #346: You actually had to consider for a second whether or not this post was a joke.

Yes, I seriously had to reread it a couple times...

Untrue.

Take a look at the Foreign Service for an example. They are not permitted to speak out against the government. When a military operation is involved, words need to be chosen more carefully.

Take a look at the Foreign Service for an example. They are not permitted to speak out against the government. When a military operation is involved, words need to be chosen more carefully.

Please, provide such an example about the foreign service.

When a military operation is involved, the same restrictions will apply for civilians and for people employed in the government.

Curiously, Fass never responded to me. I suppose his bigoted tripe has finally been revealed to be the irrational hate it really is.

Or MAYBE, because he was posting into the early morning his time, he is uninterested in further sleep interruptions to battle Christians who feel oh-so persecuted and upset that they can't gay bash freely?

When Christians champion gay rights to a noticeable extent, perhaps then Fass will feel that there is anything worth applauding. Until then...expect no accolades.

*converts to Judaism*

Wanna spin on my dreidel?

:D Assuredly!

Or MAYBE, because he was posting into the early morning his time, he is uninterested in further sleep interruptions to battle Christians who feel oh-so persecuted and upset that they can't gay bash freely?

No way! :eek:

Surely true generalites stay online 24/7, and if they do have to venture afk, they have an elaborate setup (MacGyverish, even! String, coconut, bucket of acid) so they still can post - or, failing that, at least some way of being warned when someone responds to your post so that they can run, RUN, to the nearest computer and post a response!

I know I do :)

No way! :eek:

Surely true generalites stay online 24/7, and if they do have to venture afk, they have an elaborate setup (MacGyverish, even! String, coconut, bucket of acid) so they still can post - or, failing that, at least some way of being warned when someone responds to your post so that they can run, RUN, to the nearest computer and post a response!

I know I do :)

You have much to learn little grasshopper. True Generalites post without using a computer. We transmit our nonsense direct from brain to interweb.

You have much to learn little grasshopper. True Generalites post without using a computer. We transmit our nonsense direct from brain to interweb.

I used to do that, but I transcended after I started getting headaches. And besides, contraptions involving sting and buckets of acid are always fun ;)

You have much to learn little grasshopper. True Generalites post without using a computer. We transmit our nonsense direct from brain to interweb.

That's because we have the wifi shoved up our backsides.

That's because we have the wifi shoved up our backsides.

Mmmm....it's warm and it tingles.:)

Political correctness is apparently responsible for turning women into lesbians,
Reeaalllyyyy?

I think this requires investigation.

Political correctness is why I don't get laid.

hmmm, once more intelligent discourse and debate is replaced by illusory humour and self-satisfied sarcasm. Has it ever occurred to the advocates of political correctness not only that limitation upon free speech allows for further subjective limitations to be placed upon it, but that one does not have a divine right not to be offended. One can be offended by anything; only the mature accept such offence, and, in the case of racial slurs and the like, accept that the illogicality of such slurs defeats them more than censorship is able to.

That's because we have the wifi shoved up our backsides.

Technology + lube=talking out of your ass with less effort than ever before!

Political correctness is why I don't get laid.

:D That's the spirit!

hmmm, once more intelligent discourse and debate is replaced by illusory humour and self-satisfied sarcasm. Has it ever occurred to the advocates of political correctness not only that limitation upon free speech allows for further subjective limitations to be placed upon it, but that one does not have a divine right not to be offended. One can be offended by anything; only the mature accept such offence, and, in the case of racial slurs and the like, accept that the illogicality of such slurs defeats them more than censorship is able to.

I wonder if it has ever occurred to the opponents of political correctness, that in fact the point is not to limit free speech, but rather to foster THINKING before speaking? That in fact, political correctness is simply the derogatory term for 'not reacting in habitual, bigoted ways' for fear of facing public ridicule? That perhaps, it is important to teach people that certain actions, words, or mannerisms are not simply offensive, but also perpetrate inequality and foster hatred among human beings? That really, when it comes down to it, any inconvenience a person might feel in being constrained to a sort of social politeness he or she may or may not actually be comfortable with, is offset by the fact that at least they are sparing many others the discomfort of being subjected to their idiocy?

Very little 'political correctness' is legislated. Unless you honestly believe that is the reason for things like human rights legislation, modernisation of sexual assault/rape laws etc. In which case, I could not fathom how you could oppose such a thing.

Please, provide such an example about the foreign service.
FSO's are not allowed to speak out publicly against the U.S. gov't or it's foreign policy. I'm not quite sure about the example that you're requesting.

Hmm. The Crusades? The Inquisition? The entire Conquest of the Americas in the name of the Christian Kings of Spain and Portugal etc? Too far back?

Oh, be fair. The Conquistadors weren't there because of religion, they were there to make money. They might have said it was for their beliefs, but everyone knew it wasn't, really. ;)

And the Crusades were just pastimes for the nobles… otherwise they might have gotten bored and done something constructive.

Oh, be fair. The Conquistadors weren't there because of religion, they were there to make money. They might have said it was for their beliefs, but everyone knew it wasn't, really. ;)

And the Crusades were just pastimes for the nobles… otherwise they might have gotten bored and done something constructive.

Like start civil war over steadily shrinking hereditary lands?

I don't agree that it was just to make money. That was a big part of it, but 'saving souls' was certainly a real goal. Sort of like stacking up funds in the afterlife...covering all your bases.

Oh, be fair. The Conquistadors weren't there because of religion, they were there to make money. They might have said it was for their beliefs, but everyone knew it wasn't, really. ;)

And the Crusades were just pastimes for the nobles… otherwise they might have gotten bored and done something constructive.

I really am hoping none of the above was even remotely sincere.

Being anti-homosexual is a principle tenant of Christianity.

I know plenty of people, Christian or whatever, who are homophobes: "So you see kids, no matter who you are or what you believe in, with a little practice you can still be an ignorant bigot!" ;)

I know plenty of people, Christian or whatever, who are homophobes

I know homophobic Christians, very gay-friendly Christians, and gay Christians.

It just seems to break some people's hearts that they can't go around freely calling people faggots or niggers or kikes, or feeling up random female co-workers any time they feel like it, like there is a need or justification for that kind of behavior anyway. :rolleyes:

I don't agree that it was just to make money. That was a big part of it, but 'saving souls' was certainly a real goal. Sort of like stacking up funds in the afterlife...covering all your bases.

Right. So the Conquistadors and colonists reasoned that since they couldn't take the real, tangible gold with them, they might as well prepare for a new currency in the afterlife.

I know homophobic Christians, very gay-friendly Christians, and gay Christians.

Sure. No matter who you are you can also not be an ignorant bigot… but my earlier statement still stands. It was more funny.

Oh, yeah, "persecuted". What, they don't get to be dominant? How awful. Boo-fucking-hoo.



Yeah, I couldn't give a fuck about Christians, that's true. That's sort of what I do with people who follow a book that says I should be killed. Aren't I the awful person for not standing for that? Please, Zilam, will you ever forgive me for me not thinking it's OK for your religion to want me dead? I am so mean, that way. You poor Christians, it must be so hard for you that I object to propaganda aimed at ending my life.

LOL if your behavior here re: Christians was the only example I had of how homosexuals treat others and behave, I'd probably have a strong dislike for them.

Fortunately, your behavior isn't.

It just seems to break some people's hearts that they can't go around… feeling up random female co-workers any time they feel like it
It broke mine…:(

Yeah, I couldn't give a fuck about Christians, that's true. That's sort of what I do with people who follow a book that says I should be killed. Aren't I the awful person for not standing for that? Please, Zilam, will you ever forgive me for me not thinking it's OK for your religion to want me dead? I am so mean, that way. You poor Christians, it must be so hard for you that I object to propaganda aimed at ending my life.

Fassigen, out of the strongly Christian people I know, one is a stereotypical conservative "religious right" homophobe, one is a 100% gay-friendly person, and one is my boyfriend. Christians are not all one way, fortunately.

Right. So the Conquistadors and colonists reasoned that since they couldn't take the real, tangible gold with them, they might as well prepare for a new currency in the afterlife.

Not to mention that the real tangible gold could be used to buy indulgences. When the coin in the coffer sings, then the soul to heaven springs.

Right. So the Conquistadors and colonists reasoned that since they couldn't take the real, tangible gold with them, they might as well prepare for a new currency in the afterlife.

Aye, with ALL those souls saved in the Americas, them Consquistadors were just minting Jesus Dollars.

You know what this would be a good time for? Tom Lehrer.

But during national brotherhood week, national brotherhood week,
Lena horne and sheriff clarke are dancing cheek to cheek.
Its fun to eulogize
The people you despise,
As long as you dont let em in your school.

I know homophobic Christians, very gay-friendly Christians, and gay Christians.

As do I. :)

"What? You didn't know today was St. Swithins day? St. Swithins is the saint famous for...."

Aye, with ALL those souls saved in the Americas, them Consquistadors were just minting Jesus Dollars.

Damn counterfeiters.

As do I. :)

"What? You didn't know today was St. Swithins day? St. Swithins is the saint famous for...."

Isn't he the guy who cursed England with perpetual rain because peasants had overthrown and broken the Egbert?

As do I. :)

"What? You didn't know today was St. Swithins day? St. Swithins is the saint famous for...."

*thanks St. Swithins for the ellipses*

*thanks St. Swithins for the ellipses*

I heard there's a St. Jude hospital somewhere.

St. Jude is the patron saint of lost causes, for those of you who are wondering.

Damn counterfeiters.

"Hey, this isn't real money, this was printed by the Montana militia…"
"It will be real soon enough!"

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"

That saying resumes what I think about P.C.

Or MAYBE, because he was posting into the early morning his time, he is uninterested in further sleep interruptions to battle Christians who feel oh-so persecuted and upset that they can't gay bash freely?

When Christians champion gay rights to a noticeable extent, perhaps then Fass will feel that there is anything worth applauding. Until then...expect no accolades.

Vetalia isn't a Christian. He's got too much faith in humanity to need religion.

I wonder if it has ever occurred to the opponents of political correctness, that in fact the point is not to limit free speech, but rather to foster THINKING before speaking? That in fact, political correctness is simply the derogatory term for 'not reacting in habitual, bigoted ways' for fear of facing public ridicule? That perhaps, it is important to teach people that certain actions, words, or mannerisms are not simply offensive, but also perpetrate inequality and foster hatred among human beings? That really, when it comes down to it, any inconvenience a person might feel in being constrained to a sort of social politeness he or she may or may not actually be comfortable with, is offset by the fact that at least they are sparing many others the discomfort of being subjected to their idiocy?

Very little 'political correctness' is legislated. Unless you honestly believe that is the reason for things like human rights legislation, modernisation of sexual assault/rape laws etc. In which case, I could not fathom how you could oppose such a thing.


It seems no 'anti-PC'er' wants to touch this post. Let's try getting it on the current page to see if anyone dares debate the merits of this perfectly stated argument.

Let's try getting it on

Woot!

When Christians champion gay rights to a noticeable extent, perhaps then Fass will feel that there is anything worth applauding. Until then...expect no accolades.

How about the Unitarian Church and the United Church of Christ? How about Coretta Scott King? All Christian supporters of gay rights and same-sex marriage.

Clearly this is a conspiracy by Apple

Clearly this is a conspiracy by Apple

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/kevorkian.jpg

Woot!

As if I really need to say it to make it known that I am down for that. :cool:

I heard there's a St. Jude hospital somewhere.

St. Jude is the patron saint of lost causes, for those of you who are wondering.

http://www.stjude.org/

It seems no 'anti-PC'er' wants to touch this post. Let's try getting it on the current page to see if anyone dares debate the merits of this perfectly stated argument.

It's hard to really back up a smokescreen, which is essentially what anti-PCism is all about.

Isn't he the guy who cursed England with perpetual rain because peasants had overthrown and broken the Egbert?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14357c.htm

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/kevorkian.jpg
I enjoyed this picture.

Political correctness has a bad rap. It is apparently responsible for such evils as turning men into 'womenly men (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12759796&postcount=89)', turning women into lesbians, making it uncool to use racial slurs (even when we all know those jokes are true), and turning kids (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12756896#post12756896) into fat, idiotic wimps. It's all a left-wing plot of course, and we all hate it.

So when you want to bitch and moan about something, just blame it on the PC movement! Then everyone will ignore the stupid things you are saying, and join you in bashing everything PC!

Oh, and I dedicate this thread to Eutrusca, PC's #1 enemy.

For the first time I agree with you. :eek:

It's true the liberals are trying to gain as much power as possible.

For the first time I agree with you. :eek:

It's true the liberals are trying to gain as much power as possible.

Your...opacity...astonishes me.

I've never heard it called that before.

I knew it would confuse him further.

Your...opacity...astonishes me.

I've never heard it called that before.

I knew it would confuse him further.

Well it hasn't. What's so opaque about disagreeing with you and acknowledging that the left is powermongering and is abusing the power they already possess. Or are you now the queen of the universe?

Well it hasn't. What's so opaque about disagreeing with you and acknowledging that the left is powermongering and is abusing the power they already possess. Or are you now the queen of the universe?

I always was.

Glad you could find a dictionary to help you out.

I always was.

Glad you could find a dictionary to help you out.

1) Don't worry the nurse will come with your meds soon

2)I didn't need one.

1) Don't worry the nurse will come with your meds soon

2)I didn't need one.

No…I pretty sure the rest of us don't want the queen of the universe on meds… reality could get kind of…odd…

No…I pretty sure the rest of us don't want the queen of the universe on meds… reality could get kind of…odd…

Are you KIDDING? Queen of the universe + drugs could lead her to accidentally breaking the stars, forcing us to shring to microsize and begin picking up objects with a magic sticky ball to increase its size to the level necessary to remake individual stars.

It'd be real life Katamari rolling!!! ^_^

Being anti-homosexual is a principle tenet of Christianity.

(Fixed; it was bothering me :)).

Being an Abrahamic religion and with all the baggage that entails, christianity has traditionally condemned homosexuality, that's true. But it is hardly what you'd call a 'central tenet'. Not all teachings (in what christians call) the old testament are recognised within christianity as applicable to christians today. The teachings of Jesus as described in the gospels form the central canon of christianity, and to the best of my knowledge Jesus didn't mention homosexuality at all.

Anti-homosexual Christians are not the radical fringe. Perhaps you could label anti-homosexual Christians who actually want to KILL homosexuals the radical fringe. But your average, 'being gay is a sin' Christian? No. Sorry.

I don't think it's news that there is much homophobia within the ranks of christianity (though particularly today, there are plenty of exceptions as people here have shown). I was more interested in whether you were tolerating a double standard where extremism within a religion such as christianity (not necessarily mandated in doctrine) could be held to be representative, while extremism within the ranks of a political movement such as PC could not. If that is not your position, that's fine.

It seems no 'anti-PC'er' wants to touch this post. Let's try getting it on the current page to see if anyone dares debate the merits of this perfectly stated argument.
"Anti-PC" = "I should get to call people 'niggers,' but nobody should be allowed to call me 'racist.'"

I wonder if it has ever occurred to the opponents of political correctness, that in fact the point is not to limit free speech, but rather to foster THINKING before speaking?

*Shrugs* I certainly have no problem with being careful not to offend someone while speaking. However, people who grumble about PC generally object to what they see as its excesses. For example, I'm reasonably confident that most people could see that "retard" or "spastic" can be construed as a offensive terms. Requesting that "manhole covers" be henceforth be known as "person-hole covers", however, is a different matter (and yes, there have been calls in the past for such changes).

But there's another worry that I have about PC. The reason why I went to the trouble of quoting two separate posts of yours earlier is because I have a suspicion that the broad cluster of beliefs and attitudes loosely referred to as "political correctness" creates a secondary effect to the one intended to reduce offensive discourse. Because the "care" is primarily taken to protect nominated vulnerable groups, I see a risk that the very principle of care is becoming divorced from being a universal good, into one where it becomes a tool in a sort of social utilitarian calculus. One in which moral agency is held in the actions of groups rather than individuals. Under this scenario, it is no longer sufficient to ask "what was done?"; but also, "which group did it, and to whom?". I would be interested in seeing people's thoughts on that.

I, as always, want to see Fred Phelps eating a shrimp cocktail while holding a sign that says "God Hates Fags"

I think all people should think before they speak. I really wish though, that we didn't have to outline "rules" for idiots.

Part of the problem is that I get yelled at for saying things I didn't even think were "bad".........like I am supposed to know that instead of calling a child paraplegic I am supposed to say "differently abled", it's not like I called him a handicap, or a cripple, or disabled, or anything else that I can totally see as jerky..........

oh, and then my mom who has bipolar disorder (see how I said she has it and not that she "is bipolar"? see? I can think before I speak) apparently I am not supposed to refer to her mental illness as an illness.......apparently she isn't ill. Her brain is just "different", fine it's different I get that, believe me, she is ill, otherwise what's up with all the medication?

FSO's are not allowed to speak out publicly against the U.S. gov't or it's foreign policy. I'm not quite sure about the example that you're requesting.
Examples. You know, quote/link to laws, rules and/or regulations?

I wonder if it has ever occurred to the opponents of political correctness, that in fact the point is not to limit free speech, but rather to foster THINKING before speaking? That in fact, political correctness is simply the derogatory term for 'not reacting in habitual, bigoted ways' for fear of facing public ridicule? That perhaps, it is important to teach people that certain actions, words, or mannerisms are not simply offensive, but also perpetrate inequality and foster hatred among human beings? That really, when it comes down to it, any inconvenience a person might feel in being constrained to a sort of social politeness he or she may or may not actually be comfortable with, is offset by the fact that at least they are sparing many others the discomfort of being subjected to their idiocy?

Very little 'political correctness' is legislated. Unless you honestly believe that is the reason for things like human rights legislation, modernisation of sexual assault/rape laws etc. In which case, I could not fathom how you could oppose such a thing.
:fluffle: <- PC fluffle

Examples. You know, quote/link to laws, rules and/or regulations?


:fluffle: <- PC fluffle

You're being an ass.

It's called Article 88, Contempt toward officials, Article 89, Disrespect toward superior commissioned officer. This includes insulting or disparaging anyone in the chain of command, which includes the President of the United States.

I also remember numerous unprosecuted violations of Article 94, Mutiny or Sedition (plenty of openly seditious talk during the Clinton Administration by many senior officers).

Oh, and they usually tack on Article 134, Conduct unbecoming of an officer

Gravlen, technically, no officer can advocate publicly the surrender of Iraqi territory to the insurgents.

ART. 100. SUBORDINATE COMPELLING SURRENDER

Any person subject to this chapter who compels or attempts to compel the commander of any place, vessel, aircraft, or military property, or of any body of members of the armed forces, to give it up to an enemy or to abandon it, or who strikes the colors or flag to any enemy without proper authority, shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.