NationStates Jolt Archive

Is this really the place where you want to get an answer to that question?

Hello, I need some social-skills help. I was asked today by a 22-year old single girl if I would like to be friends with her. As a 24-going-on-25-year-old-on-Thursday who has a boyfriend and an ill-disguised girl-phobia, I am excited to have the chance to try again at having a friend who is not an idiot friend of my boyfriend.

However, I seem to have misplaced my knowledge of what girlfriends do. Back in high school I guess we'd just hang out at each other's houses and...I don't know, talk about stuff? Watch TV? I guess we went out to eat a fair amount. Should I get an Xbox or take up scrapbooking or something? Seriously, I don't even know. I don't want to be a lame girlfriend. What do girls/women our age do with each other when they are friends?

Try to keep the pity to a minimum, thank you.

Drink coffee and bitch about what assholes their boyfriends are. :p

Nude pillow fights.

Nude pillow fights.

With cameras *nods*

Nude pillow fights.You forget the part 'and afterwards they post the movie and pictures on teh intarwebs'.

My observations have led me to suspect that they spend their time shopping and overusing the phrase "Oh my god".


*mans surveillance post*

things your boyfriend won't do, or doesn't want to do

go to chick movies
go eat at those restaurants with tiny portions and 5 different kinds of tea
go to art festivals and Shakespeare in the park
go shopping

etc.

basically anything you want to do, but don't want to force your boy to do is a good use for a female friend.

;)

I don't know, I guess I always assumed they did basically the same things that guys do...

Go to a freeparty and take psychedelic drugs.

she really asked you if you wanted to be her friend?

i find that strangely creepy.

she's the one who wants to be friends, take your cues from her.

Is this really the place where you want to get an answer to that question?

As obvious as the answer "no" may be, I have precious few other people to ask. And nice job with the thread-stealing, by the way. :p

You forget the part 'and afterwards they post the movie and pictures on teh intarwebs'.

I thought that was a given?!

Drink coffee and bitch about what assholes their boyfriends are. :p

She's single! See how complicated this is?!

You could do what Lynne and Tessa do (look for them on YouTube), except that you could do it naked...

One does different things with guy and girl friends? Oh.

*goes off to muse about whether there is any truth after all to the much-made statement that she is too pushy and authorative and forces her will to do what she wants to do too much on her friends*

I thought that was a given?!But Ilie didn't know.:p

Well, speaking about men is ok.

I have several female friends. Of course, we all have something in common. I am 27 years old, and they are either older (28-30), or younger (23-28). Some of them are coworkers, others are former lasses from the university, or ex girlfriends of friends.

Do you have something in common with her? A hobby, work, classes?

We usually go out, and drink a lot. I'm a fan of red wines, and I go out tasting when it is "all girl's night".

I go to watch those french or author movies that guys doesn't like.

The coffee part is interesting, as long as you have something in common to talk about.

Art, shopping...Just anything your boyfriend doesn't like to do.

I do the videogames part, but sadly, most of my female friends just suck at it, and get bored easily, so I prefer to do it with my male friends.

Of course, I am single, so I also gather a pack to go hunting.

things your boyfriend won't do, or doesn't want to do

go to chick movies
go eat at those restaurants with tiny portions and 5 different kinds of tea
go to art festivals and Shakespeare in the park
go shopping

etc.

basically anything you want to do, but don't want to force your boy to do is a good use for a female friend.

;)

Cut out the go shopping and errmmm I do all of those...

I imagine that you shouldn't have any problems Ilie. Just be your nice old self... freind do what freinds do and you do different things with different freinds. Some freinds play card games (I think Bridge is popular with women these days) some just drink coffee and talk, some shop, etc. Everyone has thier own tastes, and each freindship should be tailored around those tastes.

Nude pillow fights.

See, I think I'm going to have to "lead up" to that. This is more of a "what do I do with a friend until we're comfortable enough to have nude pillow fights" thread. Thanks though.

See, I think I'm going to have to "lead up" to that. This is more of a "what do I do with a friend until we're comfortable enough to have nude pillow fights" thread. Thanks though.

Wet t-shirt contests??

What do girls/women our age do with each other when they are friends?



According to a number of German language films, you'd start off by staying and watching a raunchy DVD. Not long into it, one of you will say "You know what I need right now?" and it sort of progresses from there....

My observations have led me to suspect that they spend their time shopping and overusing the phrase "Oh my god".


*mans surveillance post*

Do I seem like that kind of person to you? Well...shopping, maybe.

One does different things with guy and girl friends? Oh.

*goes off to muse about whether there is any truth after all to the much-made statement that she is too pushy and authorative and forces her will to do what she wants to do too much on her friends*

most of my male friends have been effiminant. so I basically did girl friend stuff with them, the only one that wasn't quit being my friend when I got married and the stuff I did with him I now do with hubby.

things your boyfriend won't do, or doesn't want to do

go to chick movies
go eat at those restaurants with tiny portions and 5 different kinds of tea
go to art festivals and Shakespeare in the park
go shopping

etc.

basically anything you want to do, but don't want to force your boy to do is a good use for a female friend.

;)

Oh, hey...yeah! Like that Poe festival he didn't want to do...or the outdoor movies Little Italy does in the summer that he hates...or pretty much any place to eat that isn't the diner! Awesome!

Wow, if this is true, then my life is about to get a lot better.

Oh, hey...yeah! Like that Poe festival he didn't want to do...or the outdoor movies Little Italy does in the summer that he hates...or pretty much any place to eat that isn't the diner! Awesome!

Wow, if this is true, then my life is about to get a lot better.

:p he will like it too most likely.

he doesn't have to feign interest in things he doesn't like, and also, he will get more boy time.

One does different things with guy and girl friends? Oh.

*goes off to muse about whether there is any truth after all to the much-made statement that she is too pushy and authorative and forces her will to do what she wants to do too much on her friends*

Hm? Are you saying I do that? Or you do that? If you do, don't take it as a bad thing. Pretty much the worst thing is a group of people who refuse to decide on something to do because nobody wants to force their will on anyone else, so they just wander around haphazardly until somebody gets mad and goes home.

Oh, and I forgot. She is either needy, or want some sweet lovin'

I would stay way fro her. I guess you are not interesting in girl love.

And well, I just hate sycophants, if someone asks me "Can I be your friend?", I would retort something along the line of "Are we 12 or something, or do you consider me your natural leader?"

Party drunk with her a lot and then try to get her to come home with you to have fun with your boyfriend, if you know what I mean. I'll check in later for the thanks from your man.

Hello, I need some social-skills help. I was asked today by a 22-year old single girl if I would like to be friends with her. As a 24-going-on-25-year-old-on-Thursday who has a boyfriend and an ill-disguised girl-phobia, I am excited to have the chance to try again at having a friend who is not an idiot friend of my boyfriend.

However, I seem to have misplaced my knowledge of what girlfriends do. Back in high school I guess we'd just hang out at each other's houses and...I don't know, talk about stuff? Watch TV? I guess we went out to eat a fair amount. Should I get an Xbox or take up scrapbooking or something? Seriously, I don't even know. I don't want to be a lame girlfriend. What do girls/women our age do with each other when they are friends?

Try to keep the pity to a minimum, thank you.
Don't pick your friends based on gender, and for pity's sake don't assume that a person's interests and hobbies will be defined by which set of genitals they have.

The people who are my friends are my friends because we share similar interests or senses of humor or personality types or whathaveyou. They're not my friends because I needed some Token Female Friend or something.

Most of my friends don't share ALL my interests in common. I have friends who I play video games with when we hang out, and other friends who are more my going-to-the-pub crowd. I've got friends who like being comic book geeks with me, and other friends who prefer to talk politics. I've got a few Sports Buddies, but I've also got friends who will give you a blank stare if you comment about the way the Twins have a depressing habit of dying after the All-Star break.

The best thing about making new friends is that you get to know a whole new person. Don't assume all sorts of bullshit stereotypes. Instead, GET TO KNOW THEM! Find out what interests you share!

As a girl, you should know that girls are actual people and are different individuals, not some homogeneous hive mind. "Girls our age" do all kinds of different things with their friends. Generalizations won't help you. It's like asking what white people do with their white friends.

just ask her what she wants to do ...
if she doesn't have any ideas just go shopping or to a club or whatever you like, you're both girls why wouldn't you like the same stuff.
Oh, and why don't you have any girlfriends?


I am 27 years old, and they are either older (28-30), or younger (23-28).

you don't have friends who are both older and younger :( ?

Well, speaking about men is ok.

I have several female friends. Of course, we all have something in common. I am 27 years old, and they are either older (28-30), or younger (23-28). Some of them are coworkers, others are former lasses from the university, or ex girlfriends of friends.

Do you have something in common with her? A hobby, work, classes?

We usually go out, and drink a lot. I'm a fan of red wines, and I go out tasting when it is "all girl's night".

I go to watch those french or author movies that guys doesn't like.

The coffee part is interesting, as long as you have something in common to talk about.

Art, shopping...Just anything your boyfriend doesn't like to do.

I do the videogames part, but sadly, most of my female friends just suck at it, and get bored easily, so I prefer to do it with my male friends.

Of course, I am single, so I also gather a pack to go hunting.

Well, here's where it actually gets funny...I have no idea if we have things in common (besides karaoke) because I met her in a bar. Maybe she will like video games...Animal Crossing is pretty low-key, doesn't take too much skill. Maybe I WILL get an Xbox.

Well, here's where it actually gets funny...I have no idea if we have things in common (besides karaoke) because I met her in a bar. Maybe she will like video games...Animal Crossing is pretty low-key, doesn't take too much skill. Maybe I WILL get an Xbox.

(!)

Well, looks like she wants a piece of you, if you know what I mean.

At least, that would be the thing I would think if I was you. You were being hit, dear sweet Ilie.

According to a number of German language films, you'd start off by staying and watching a raunchy DVD. Not long into it, one of you will say "You know what I need right now?" and it sort of progresses from there....

Sounds good, uh, but I don't want her to think I only like her for her body. :D Maybe if we've hung out a few times first.

One does different things with guy and girl friends? Oh.

I don't know, the only difference between the way I treat male friends and female friends is I tend to insult them (the female friends) less and compliment them more.

Hm? Are you saying I do that? Or you do that? If you do, don't take it as a bad thing. Pretty much the worst thing is a group of people who refuse to decide on something to do because nobody wants to force their will on anyone else, so they just wander around haphazardly until somebody gets mad and goes home.

I do that, don't worry.

And no, I don't think it's a bad thing, either. In fact, I haven't even really thought about it at all, much. I have a rather even split in men/women with my friends, and there are some activities I do more with person A and others I do more with person B.. but that boils down to individual preferences, and I can't see any gender-related pattern. That I don't really have any gender-stereotyped preferences as far as pastimes go probbaly helps, too.

And yeah, I'm 21 and I assume my friends to be adults and to be able to successfully partake in adult decision-making processes, which includes saying "no" if they don't feel like doing what I propose, and/or actively making suggestions themselves if they have something they'd like.

things your boyfriend won't do, or doesn't want to do

go to chick movies
go eat at those restaurants with tiny portions and 5 different kinds of tea
go to art festivals and Shakespeare in the park
go shopping

etc.

basically anything you want to do, but don't want to force your boy to do is a good use for a female friend.


Cut out the go shopping and errmmm I do all of those...

I imagine that you shouldn't have any problems Ilie. Just be your nice old self... freind do what freinds do and you do different things with different freinds. Some freinds play card games (I think Bridge is popular with women these days) some just drink coffee and talk, some shop, etc. Everyone has thier own tastes, and each freindship should be tailored around those tastes.

Since my post seems to have sent itself flying up tot he annals of not where is should be.

I guess I'm kind of afraid of girls.

I don't know, some people are just plain scary as fuck. Maybe you just live in creepy female central.

just ask her what she wants to do ...
if she doesn't have any ideas just go shopping or to a club or whatever you like, you're both girls why wouldn't you like the same stuff.
Oh, and why don't you have any girlfriends?

Well, the last girlfriend I had was pretty much in high school. We sort of stayed friends, but we are pretty much a study in awkward. At irregular intervals (between 3 months and 3 years, roughly) we go out and have lunch and try to catch up with each other's lives, and we do a lot of "huh, wow, how about that!" and there are long silences, and that's that. I guess I'm kind of afraid of girls.

you don't have friends who are both older and younger :( ?

Close ones, no. Well, my dad is 70 and he is truly my friend. My brother is 22 and he is also my friend. Some of my brother's friends, who are a bit younger are also my friends, but I tend to patronize them a bit. (Yeah, I shouldn't, but I don't want them to get a wrong idea, already happened once).

Some of my coworkers reach 40, or even 50, or the students, who hardly reach 20. I get along with them, but they aren't my CLOSE friends, just friendly coworkers or employees.

I don't want to be a lame girlfriend. What do girls/women our age do with each other when they are friends?

Try to keep the pity to a minimum, thank you.

... from what I understand... and from those rumors I hear...

they like to talk and to have someone who will really listen to what they say.

Well, the last girlfriend I had was pretty much in high school. We sort of stayed friends, but we are pretty much a study in awkward. At irregular intervals (between 3 months and 3 years, roughly) we go out and have lunch and try to catch up with each other's lives, and we do a lot of "huh, wow, how about that!" and there are long silences, and that's that. I guess I'm kind of afraid of girls.

girls are basically boys without penises. ;) (or boys are girls with penises, I can't figure out which)

anyway, there isn't any reason to be afraid, find something you want to go do, invite her, if she says yes then go, if she says no, then try something else.

if she invites you to go somewhere, go if you wanna, don't if you don't.

see? just like with boys!

(!)

Well, looks like she wants a piece of you, if you know what I mean.

At least, that would be the thing I would think if I was you. You were being hit, dear sweet Ilie.

Good assumption, but it was the other way around. I pretty much tried to go home with her the night we met. ;) I want to shag her, but she said she isn't comfortable with that since I'm in a relationship with somebody. But she did say she really would like to be friends (and the way she said it didn't sound like she was blowing me off, either) so I am going to have to live with that.

Do I seem like that kind of person to you? Well...shopping, maybe.

There are different kinds of people?

I'll have to greatly expand my operation.

I don't know, the only difference between the way I treat male friends and female friends is I tend to insult them (the female friends) less and compliment them more.

Haha, I do that too. :D

Good assumption, but it was the other way around. I pretty much tried to go home with her the night we met. ;) I want to shag her, but she said she isn't comfortable with that since I'm in a relationship with somebody. But she did say she really would like to be friends (and the way she said it didn't sound like she was blowing me off, either) so I am going to have to live with that.

Either I didn't grab the sarcasm...Or I am missing something.

But really, if a woman I've just met in a bar tells me "I want to be your friend, what about you?", I would extract THAT wrong conclusion. I guess it is due to y own experience, when I end with a woman that wants to be that special friend that gets intimacy.

-snip-
You are making way too much sense, as usual. Cut those long rants and rather go shopping and say "Oh my god!" instead, okay? ;P

you're both girls why wouldn't you like the same stuff.

Here, you've got it straight fro the horse's mouth, we all like the same things because we do have a hive mind after all. Silly we didn't recognize it yet..


It's like asking what white people do with their white friends.
Well, what do they do? Except for crowd visits to the tanning studio to do something about that whitey bit?

I do that, don't worry.

And no, I don't think it's a bad thing, either. In fact, I haven't even really thought about it at all, much. I have a rather even split in men/women with my friends, and there are some activities I do more with person A and others I do more with person B.. but that boils down to individual preferences, and I can't see any gender-related pattern. That I don't really have any gender-stereotyped preferences as far as pastimes go probbaly helps, too.

And yeah, I'm 21 and I assume my friends to be adults and to be able to successfully partake in adult decision-making processes, which includes saying "no" if they don't feel like doing what I propose, and/or actively making suggestions themselves if they have something they'd like.

Sounds good! I wish I could be friends with you.

Sounds good, uh, but I don't want her to think I only like her for her body. :D Maybe if we've hung out a few times first.

Strangely enough that never seemed to happen....

And don't answer the door by the way, it can get fairly convoluted after that....

Haha, I do that too. :D

Oh, I also listen to them a bit more (Not by much, though), and talk about more serious topics with them.

Cut out the go shopping and errmmm I do all of those...

I imagine that you shouldn't have any problems Ilie. Just be your nice old self... freind do what freinds do and you do different things with different freinds. Some freinds play card games (I think Bridge is popular with women these days) some just drink coffee and talk, some shop, etc. Everyone has thier own tastes, and each freindship should be tailored around those tastes.

Thank you sweetie. (Bridge? Maybe I should take up Mah Jongg.) ;)

Nude pillow fights.

With cameras *nods*

You forget the part 'and afterwards they post the movie and pictures on teh intarwebs'.

Wet t-shirt contests??

Sounds good, uh, but I don't want her to think I only like her for her body. :D Maybe if we've hung out a few times first.

www.naughtyNSGers.com:D

www.naughtyNSGers.com:D

I'm not clicking that link.

Thank you sweetie. (Bridge? Maybe I should take up Mah Jongg.) ;)

Spice it up. Strip bridge.

Sounds good! I wish I could be friends with you.

May I quote the sticker that's on the uni locker next to mine - "Fuck you - I've enough friends" - or do I need to take more care of your sensitive ego and feelings and all? ;P

Nah, seriously, thanks for the compliment. And, umm, if you regularly ask random females for a shag at karaoke nights - I do have that SingStar event scheduled at my place in a few weeks.. ;P

Either I didn't grab the sarcasm...Or I am missing something.

But really, if a woman I've just met in a bar tells me "I want to be your friend, what about you?", I would extract THAT wrong conclusion. I guess it is due to y own experience, when I end with a woman that wants to be that special friend that gets intimacy.

Okay, I didn't tell the whole story. I gave this girl my number when I met her, and she never called. So I finally found her on myspace, and here is what she wrote me:

hi Ilie (she used my real name),

this is quite a story - andrew's friend found your post, told andrew, and then andrew told me. i didn't call you because i didn't want to be ROMANTICALLY/PHYSICALLY involved with someone who is already in a relationship - but i could totally use a gal pal to go out drinking and hang out downtown or whatnot. or you know. whatever other things people do.

anyway.
i feel lame being like DO YOU WANT TO BE MY FRIEND, but hey, do you?

- laura

I guess it is due to y own experience, when I end with a woman that wants to be that special friend that gets intimacy.

...?

Thank you sweetie. (Bridge? Maybe I should take up Mah Jongg.) ;)

Mah Jhong is a lot more fun

...?

I think what he means is when he meets someone in a bar of the female persuasion, and they want to be his friend they want to be a friend of the harder/faster kind, not the drinking/talking kind.

Okay, I didn't tell the whole story. I gave this girl my number when I met her, and she never called. So I finally found her on myspace, and here is what she wrote me:

hi Ilie (she used my real name),

this is quite a story - andrew's friend found your post, told andrew, and then andrew told me. i didn't call you because i didn't want to be ROMANTICALLY/PHYSICALLY involved with someone who is already in a relationship - but i could totally use a gal pal to go out drinking and hang out downtown or whatnot. or you know. whatever other things people do.

anyway.
i feel lame being like DO YOU WANT TO BE MY FRIEND, but hey, do you?

- laura

Laura? Is her last name Haynes??

Okay, I didn't tell the whole story. I gave this girl my number when I met her, and she never called. So I finally found her on myspace, and here is what she wrote me:

hi Ilie (she used my real name),

this is quite a story - andrew's friend found your post, told andrew, and then andrew told me. i didn't call you because i didn't want to be ROMANTICALLY/PHYSICALLY involved with someone who is already in a relationship - but i could totally use a gal pal to go out drinking and hang out downtown or whatnot. or you know. whatever other things people do.

anyway.
i feel lame being like DO YOU WANT TO BE MY FRIEND, but hey, do you?

- laura

By any chance is she Nigerian?



:p

Mah Jhong is a lot more fun

Yes.

What do girls do?

Hmm, going by me and my friends, here are 5 of our favourite things (not in order):

1. Go swimming and dry in the sun on the beach while watching any beefcake walking by.

2. Search the internet for naked guys' pictures and then comment on how silly penises can look but how the rest of the guy can be really 'yummy'.

3. Watch movies from DVD (recent ones including 'Tremors', 'Snakes on a Plane', 'Casino Royale', 'The Rock' and 'Happy Feet') with self-created commentary of the character stupidity while eating chips, candy and drinking soda - which leads to belching contests more often than not.

4. Come up with strange words and word combinations from the license plates of cars driving past while walking somewhere, and then laughing hardest at the sleaziest ones. (This tends to cause insecure people to change to the other side of the street.)

5. Play computer games via Internet or LAN, and board, card and dice games in person while snacking on something, chatting of whatever (usually something sleazy, no surprise there) we can think of, and competing whose farts stink up the house worst. XD

Yes, we're all single, but when compared to what our non-single friends tell us, we're the happiest too. ;)

By any chance is she Nigerian?



:p

+1 for cross-thread reference, but wasn't her name Lisa?


;P

+1 for cross-thread reference, but wasn't her name Lisa?


;P

It was, but what kind of noob doesn't change her name in between scams?

Shoping, drinking, and...

*** Remembers Sex in the City ***

talk about the guy you´re having sex with and how bad he sucks at it.

Anyway, women have it easy. They can get a friend and go do anything. If you´re a guy and goes around with other guys, you either have to go in groups or go drinking, to a soccer match or something equaly "manly". The max you can do is to get some friends and go watch a movie, but that is something like a last resort, since youre suposed to go with your girlfriend to stuff like that.

Ooooh, I just got it. So you're bisexual! Yes, it makes sense now.

By any chance is she Nigerian?



:p

Thats hurts...

It was, but what kind of noob doesn't change her name in between scams?

Damnit, I knew I was doing something wrong.

*re-enters thread*

Hello, my name is BriLiBi, pleased to meet you.

girls are basically boys without penises. ;) (or boys are girls with penises, I can't figure out which)

Boys are girls with penises, because all embryos start out as females and without the influence of testosterone, they turn out physically female, even if their genetics said they should be male. ;)

Boys are girls without penises, because all embryos start out as females and without the influence of testosterone, they turn out physically female, even if their genetics said they should be male. ;)

Boys are girls without penises?

Hunm, somewhat I feel what I believed my entire life was wrong...

WITH! XDXDXD

Sorry.... XDXDXD

I knew that watching TV while writing on NSG was a bad idea, but I tend to learn only _after_ making the blunder. :D

Boys are girls without penises, because all embryos start out as females and without the influence of testosterone, they turn out physically female, even if their genetics said they should be male. ;)

I do admit that this is a feature I don't pay all too much attention to (therefore the chances of me getting the empirical data wrong are substantial), but: (Most) boys are without penises? I daresay you don't make awfully much sense.

ETA: Alright, but it is sooo much fun to make fun of typos.. damn.

(Most) boys are without penises?

Well, if you count the fact that a guy with a big penis should be self-confident, then most of the guys I know have no penises. :p

ETA: Alright, but it is sooo much fun to make fun of typos.. damn.

I know. :D And feel free - I typo so often that they're fair game to anyone that catches them. XD

Boys are girls with penises, because all embryos start out as females and without the influence of testosterone, they turn out physically female, even if their genetics said they should be male. ;)

Actually the sexual organ starts off indifferentiated and then becomes either male or female.

Actually the sexual organ starts off indifferentiated and then becomes either male or female.

Yes, but if testosterone is missing (there are many ways for that to happen even if the genome was XY) from the equation, they differentiate into female ones.

Rob a bank.

Just do what the guys did in LA in '97, but have a better gettaway plan.

Close ones, no. Well, my dad is 70 and he is truly my friend. My brother is 22 and he is also my friend. Some of my brother's friends, who are a bit younger are also my friends, but I tend to patronize them a bit. (Yeah, I shouldn't, but I don't want them to get a wrong idea, already happened once).

Some of my coworkers reach 40, or even 50, or the students, who hardly reach 20. I get along with them, but they aren't my CLOSE friends, just friendly coworkers or employees.

oh i just quoted that piece of post because i found it funny that all your friends were either older or younger, it seemed kind of obvious to me

sorry :(

I guess I'm kind of afraid of girls.

as a guy i can't say i don't know the feeling :p

Here, you've got it straight fro the horse's mouth, we all like the same things because we do have a hive mind after all. Silly we didn't recognize it yet..

i always knew...

Yes, but if testosterone is missing (there are many ways for that to happen even if the genome was XY) from the equation, they differentiate into female ones.

Isn't the SRY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY) gene that determines your sex?

Yeah, getting caught is so unfashionable! :cool:

Isn't it the SRY gene that determines your sex?

Sshh, I'm trying to keep it simple and understandable by all. ;)

Sshh, I'm trying to keep it simple and understandable by all. ;)

ok, I just had an exam about that kind of stuff and I think I failed, just wanted to show I'm not complete shit when it comes to genetics :p

By any chance is she Nigerian?



:p

No I mean seriously that was hitting a bit below the belt right now... I really thought she was someone I could get too like. :(

just wanted to show I'm not complete shit when it comes to genetics :p

Hehehe, no you're not. I'm a biotech nerd myself, but I try to keep in mind that most people aren't. *high-five with fellow nerd* :D

Okay, I didn't tell the whole story. I gave this girl my number when I met her, and she never called. So I finally found her on myspace, and here is what she wrote me:

hi Ilie (she used my real name),

this is quite a story - andrew's friend found your post, told andrew, and then andrew told me. i didn't call you because i didn't want to be ROMANTICALLY/PHYSICALLY involved with someone who is already in a relationship - but i could totally use a gal pal to go out drinking and hang out downtown or whatnot. or you know. whatever other things people do.

anyway.
i feel lame being like DO YOU WANT TO BE MY FRIEND, but hey, do you?

- laura

*smacks ilie upside the head*

STEP BACK!

she doesnt want to be your friend.

you dont want to be HER friend.

think about how this started and read between the lines.

When I hang out with my friend, we have Pokemon battles and post on forums together. I think we're in a different age group than you though...

Hehehe, no you're not. I'm a biotech nerd myself, but I try to keep in mind that most people aren't. *high-five with fellow nerd* :D

I totally wasn't talking about genetics. ;)

Hehehe, no you're not. I'm a biotech nerd myself, but I try to keep in mind that most people aren't. *high-five with fellow nerd* :D

*high-fives back*

i study medicine, and it was one of the more interesting courses we had to learn, although it got boring fast. I really really hope a miracle happens and i don't have to redo the exam.

What do you like to do? Do you go dancing? Shopping? Hang out at the arcade? Take her along and find out what she likes to do.

I totally wasn't talking about genetics. ;)

Don't you know that on NSG anything can turn into anything, whether you mean it or not? :D

With cameras *nods*

Seconded!!

:D

Isn't the SRY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY) gene that determines your sex?

Yes. But during the growth inside the womb, most hormones the child receive come from the mother, not his own body.

A female child could receive a lot of male hormones and end up with a "male" body and brain. A male child could receive a lot of female hormones and end up with "female" body and brain.

The Y cromossome is only a recepy: if it doesnt work properly, a man could have a lot of female characteristics.

Rob a bank.

Just do what the guys did in LA in '97, but have a better gettaway plan.

yea...do this...

http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/bandidas/bandidas-poster01.jpg

:p

*high-fives back*

i study medicine, and it was one of the more interesting courses we had to learn, although it got boring fast. I really really hope a miracle happens and i don't have to redo the exam.

How deep have you studied it? Enough to recognize diseases and syndromes or something deeper? Do you guys study anything related to genetic engeniering and possible future uses? How deep is it?

***Tries to hijack the thread***

However, I seem to have misplaced my knowledge of what girlfriends do. Back in high school I guess we'd just hang out at each other's houses and...I don't know, talk about stuff? Watch TV? I guess we went out to eat a fair amount. Should I get an Xbox or take up scrapbooking or something? Seriously, I don't even know. I don't want to be a lame girlfriend. What do girls/women our age do with each other when they are friends?

Try to keep the pity to a minimum, thank you.

I guess the same as you do with your guy frinds? :)

Talk about random stuff, everything and nothing, you boyfriend, her potential ones, politics, work, how NSG gets on your nerves, how geeky in a lovable way you must be to let an internet forum get on your nerves, movies, music, sports, everything ;)

Then go to movies and concerts and stand-up shows together, go out for coffee once in a while, get dinner together etc etc. Shouldn't be big trouble.

You still get a fluffle, whether you like it or not! :fluffle:

... from what I understand... and from those rumors I hear...

they like to talk and to have someone who will really listen to what they say.

I can do that. :) Thank you.

girls are basically boys without penises. ;) (or boys are girls with penises, I can't figure out which)

anyway, there isn't any reason to be afraid, find something you want to go do, invite her, if she says yes then go, if she says no, then try something else.

if she invites you to go somewhere, go if you wanna, don't if you don't.

see? just like with boys!

Makes sense! I guess I'm more concerned about MY invites to HER. I can't just wait for her to invite me someplace all the time.

You are making way too much sense, as usual. Cut those long rants and rather go shopping and say "Oh my god!" instead, okay? ;P



Here, you've got it straight fro the horse's mouth, we all like the same things because we do have a hive mind after all. Silly we didn't recognize it yet..



Well, what do they do? Except for crowd visits to the tanning studio to do something about that whitey bit?

I guess white people listen to Dave Matthews Band a lot? Maybe that was more in the '90s. ;)

Strangely enough that never seemed to happen....

And don't answer the door by the way, it can get fairly convoluted after that....

Oh lord, yeah, I'm not ready for the pizza guy. ;)

May I quote the sticker that's on the uni locker next to mine - "Fuck you - I've enough friends" - or do I need to take more care of your sensitive ego and feelings and all? ;P

Nah, seriously, thanks for the compliment. And, umm, if you regularly ask random females for a shag at karaoke nights - I do have that SingStar event scheduled at my place in a few weeks.. ;P

Too bad you probably live in Belgium or Texas or something.

Spice it up. Strip bridge.

I have played strip Mario Tennis, although that was back in the day.

Ilie, take me to Hooters and buy me some wings.

Why?

Ilie, take me to Hooters and buy me some wings.

I think what he means is when he meets someone in a bar of the female persuasion, and they want to be his friend they want to be a friend of the harder/faster kind, not the drinking/talking kind.

Aloisia is a girl, though. And I think she's straight...?

Laura? Is her last name Haynes??

I don't know. Why, you know a Laura in Ellicott City, Maryland?

By any chance is she Nigerian?



:p

Hahahaha! No, I don't think so...she lives about 10 minutes from my house. I'll start worrying if she asks me to transfer some money for her to her contact in Chile, Mr. Sunday Anthony. ;)

I have played strip Mario Tennis, although that was back in the day.

Pics or it never happened.

Pics or it never happened.

Dude, I did that back in freshman year of college, like 6 years ago. Not only do I not have pictures, I don't care whether you think it happened or not! :p

I have also played strip Apples to Apples, which is a really fun board game and I highly recommend it, whether or not you intend to strip.

Ilie, take me to Hooters and buy me some wings.

do you think the plan will work

Hmm, going by me and my friends, here are 5 of our favourite things (not in order):

1. Go swimming and dry in the sun on the beach while watching any beefcake walking by.

2. Search the internet for naked guys' pictures and then comment on how silly penises can look but how the rest of the guy can be really 'yummy'.

3. Watch movies from DVD (recent ones including 'Tremors', 'Snakes on a Plane', 'Casino Royale', 'The Rock' and 'Happy Feet') with self-created commentary of the character stupidity while eating chips, candy and drinking soda - which leads to belching contests more often than not.

4. Come up with strange words and word combinations from the license plates of cars driving past while walking somewhere, and then laughing hardest at the sleaziest ones. (This tends to cause insecure people to change to the other side of the street.)

5. Play computer games via Internet or LAN, and board, card and dice games in person while snacking on something, chatting of whatever (usually something sleazy, no surprise there) we can think of, and competing whose farts stink up the house worst. XD

Yes, we're all single, but when compared to what our non-single friends tell us, we're the happiest too. ;)

Sounds like fun! Although #2 seems a little...young. I don't have a problem with penises. :D

Boys are girls with penises, because all embryos start out as females and without the influence of testosterone, they turn out physically female, even if their genetics said they should be male. ;)

True! I saw that great episode of House, too...anybody else see that, where she turns out to be a guy? She was hot, too.

as a guy i can't say i don't know the feeling :p

Glad I'm not alone on that one.

girls are basically boys without penises. ;) (or boys are girls with penises, I can't figure out which)


Rather the second one, since the first thought grosses me out :P

Dude, I did that back in freshman year of college, like 6 years ago. Not only do I not have pictures, I don't care whether you think it happened or not! :p
Awwww :(

I have also played strip Apples to Apples, which is a really fun board game and I highly recommend it, whether or not you intend to strip.

Apples to apples?
*looks up on teh wiki*

Are you saying they don't just have huge orgies?

No I mean seriously that was hitting a bit below the belt right now... I really thought she was someone I could get too like. :(

And let that be a lesson to you. 'A shut mouth catches no flies' etc.

It depends on the girl.

I would generally like to go out to bars (not clubs, bars) and maybe hang out at a friend's house, possibly drinking and possibly watching television... preferebly TLC when they have What Not To Wear and Take Home Chef and the like... but I don't really have many female friends so I usually end up doing guy things with guy friends, i.e., going to the bar, watching sports, playing sports et c. but yeah, I'd basically do the same with girls only watch shows that the guys don't want to watch.

If you're compatible and meant to be friends, things to do should flow naturally. Go out and get a bite to eat and talk, see if you have any common interests. It's not rocket science. I think you might be overanalyzing things. Just go with the flow; one cannot force friendship.

Yes. But during the growth inside the womb, most hormones the child receive come from the mother, not his own body.

A female child could receive a lot of male hormones and end up with a "male" body and brain. A male child could receive a lot of female hormones and end up with "female" body and brain.

The Y cromossome is only a recepy: if it doesnt work properly, a man could have a lot of female characteristics.

hmmm, wouldn't the hormones a baby gets from a mother be quite stable? (unless she takes them in pills or something)

How deep have you studied it? Enough to recognize diseases and syndromes or something deeper? Do you guys study anything related to genetic engeniering and possible future uses? How deep is it?

***Tries to hijack the thread***

well, it's my first year :p

so we only studied general sciences (chemistry and physics) and physiology, biochemics, some genetics, molecular biology, and a little bit first aid, communication, ethics, psychology, sociology, antropology and probably some other stuff i'm forgetting.
in molecular biology there was a part about recombinant DNA technology (PCR etc) but it was mostly about how DNA is transcribed and translated and pathways controling apoptosis and the cell cycle. Genetics was more on genetic diseases and cancer. This could be interesting, but it's not that interesting to learn all the names of the enzymes etc. I hope it gets more interesting soon, because right now I'm considering to study something else (this might or might not be due to the fact that my exams aren't going as good as my previous ones, other courses are probably as boring, or even worse)

Pics or it never happened.

My two favorite things: Mario Tennis and naked girls.

Good assumption, but it was the other way around. I pretty much tried to go home with her the night we met. ;) I want to shag her, but she said she isn't comfortable with that since I'm in a relationship with somebody. But she did say she really would like to be friends (and the way she said it didn't sound like she was blowing me off, either) so I am going to have to live with that.

You're near Charm City. Go down to the Inner Harbor and pick something fun to do -- even if it's getting on the Ducks and pretending to be from Podunk and quacking at the locals. ;)

No I mean seriously that was hitting a bit below the belt right now... I really thought she was someone I could get too like. :(

We know honey, Ifreann is sorry. Isn't he?

*smacks ilie upside the head*

STEP BACK!

she doesnt want to be your friend.

you dont want to be HER friend.

think about how this started and read between the lines.

:( Well, I guess that's the end of the thread, then.

Too bad you probably live in Belgium or Texas or something.

Umm.. close? At least with one of them.. I'm one of those Germans haunting these boards. ;]

Hello, I need some social-skills help. I was asked today by a 22-year old single girl if I would like to be friends with her. As a 24-going-on-25-year-old-on-Thursday who has a boyfriend and an ill-disguised girl-phobia, I am excited to have the chance to try again at having a friend who is not an idiot friend of my boyfriend.

However, I seem to have misplaced my knowledge of what girlfriends do. Back in high school I guess we'd just hang out at each other's houses and...I don't know, talk about stuff? Watch TV? I guess we went out to eat a fair amount. Should I get an Xbox or take up scrapbooking or something? Seriously, I don't even know. I don't want to be a lame girlfriend. What do girls/women our age do with each other when they are friends?

Try to keep the pity to a minimum, thank you.

it doesn't matter what girls do. it matters what you and her do that you have in common. most of my friends are girls, and while all the ones in edinburgh are fairly consistent (they are all friends too) my other friends are so unlike them it's hard to really believe they have anything in common, let alone genitalia.

I'd opt for a friendly game of chess or try to troubleshoot my friends computer. Perhaps go down the park and throw a ball around.

But then, I'm obviously a guy. We have less imagination :p

Oh, hey...yeah! Like that Poe festival he didn't want to do...or the outdoor movies Little Italy does in the summer that he hates...or pretty much any place to eat that isn't the diner! Awesome!

Wow, if this is true, then my life is about to get a lot better.

I think you've got it and I hope your life does get better! :fluffle:

Don't pick your friends based on gender, and for pity's sake don't assume that a person's interests and hobbies will be defined by which set of genitals they have.

The people who are my friends are my friends because we share similar interests or senses of humor or personality types or whathaveyou. They're not my friends because I needed some Token Female Friend or something.

The best thing about making new friends is that you get to know a whole new person. Don't assume all sorts of bullshit stereotypes. Instead, GET TO KNOW THEM! Find out what interests you share!

As a girl, you should know that girls are actual people and are different individuals, not some homogeneous hive mind. "Girls our age" do all kinds of different things with their friends. Generalizations won't help you. It's like asking what white people do with their white friends.

This is the most - *five-minute pause while I think of the word I am looking for* - sensible? down-to-earth? reasonable? I'm not completely sure of the word I'm looking for, but it beats everything else I've read on here so far, and I like the idea of not generalizing, not stereotyping, not making assumptions, that sort of thing.

This is the most - *five-minute pause while I think of the word I am looking for* - sensible? down-to-earth? reasonable? I'm not completely sure of the word I'm looking for, but it beats everything else I've read on here so far, and I like the idea of not generalizing, not stereotyping, not making assumptions, that sort of thing.

Yeah and that's typical for Bottle. That's why I say she's my hero. You have to admire someone with that much common sense.

This is the most - *five-minute pause while I think of the word I am looking for* - sensible? down-to-earth? reasonable? I'm not completely sure of the word I'm looking for, but it beats everything else I've read on here so far, and I like the idea of not generalizing, not stereotyping, not making assumptions, that sort of thing.

see, that's what i said too, but bottle's got this tendency to be even more right even when she's said the same thing as someone else. (yeh, i know she said it first, but still... *shakes fist* :p)

What do girls do? Well, I have it on good authority that they spend thier daylight hours discussing shoes, looking at shoes, and buying shoes. At night however, they congregate in their giant Shoe temple and celebrate in an orgy of shoe worship. The High Queen slips into the ceremonial shoe, and women everywhere line up shaking dollars at it.

I trust my sources.

She's single! See how complicated this is?!

You then bitch about how much the ex-boyfriend was an asshole. As far as Smunkee's advice that was right on. Another note to the thread stealer. This is a prefect place to ask this kind of question. There are years and years of experience on these boards. Of course you have to wade through the young kids saying nude pillow fights. ;) PS: don't forget to give us the web addy for the pics. ;)

You then bitch about how much the ex-boyfriend was an asshole. As far as Smunkee's advice that was right on. Another note to the thread stealer. This is a prefect place to ask this kind of question. There are years and years of experience on these boards. Of course you have to wade through the young kids saying nude pillow fights. ;) PS: don't forget to give us the web addy for the pics. ;)

Well I too, endorse the nude pillow fight scenario, and I ain't such a young kid anymore.

*awaits addy*

Hello, I need some social-skills help. I was asked today by a 22-year old single girl if I would like to be friends with her. As a 24-going-on-25-year-old-on-Thursday who has a boyfriend and an ill-disguised girl-phobia, I am excited to have the chance to try again at having a friend who is not an idiot friend of my boyfriend.

However, I seem to have misplaced my knowledge of what girlfriends do. Back in high school I guess we'd just hang out at each other's houses and...I don't know, talk about stuff? Watch TV? I guess we went out to eat a fair amount. Should I get an Xbox or take up scrapbooking or something? Seriously, I don't even know. I don't want to be a lame girlfriend. What do girls/women our age do with each other when they are friends?

Try to keep the pity to a minimum, thank you.OK i ll try to keep da pity hog-tied.

Tell her your name is Lisa and tell her about your huge Nigerian penis.. Laura is going to love it. Trust me.

PS the XBOX is a great idea too. Use maximum vibration. ;)

This is the most - *five-minute pause while I think of the word I am looking for* - sensible? down-to-earth? reasonable? I'm not completely sure of the word I'm looking for, but it beats everything else I've read on here so far, and I like the idea of not generalizing, not stereotyping, not making assumptions, that sort of thing.

You'll get tired of it pretty soon when you realize this is just another fad of Bottle's, her going on being all stereotypically sensible and all that crap all the time, you know, she's decided that this reasonable thing is what she's gonna believe now at some time and from then on she never once wavered an iota from it, but just keeps on drilling that common sense into us in every and any thread. It's getting old and uncreative after a while.

;P

I think what he means is when he meets someone in a bar of the female persuasion, and they want to be his friend they want to be a friend of the harder/faster kind, not the drinking/talking kind.

I'm a she, a girl, a woman, with ambiguous and variable love interests, although right now I am feeling straight.

But well, Ilie, after reading the letter...I have no idea.

Go out for a coffee or an ice cream and see how that goes. Perhaps you could end with a nice friend, perhaps you could end in a torrid love affair, or perhaps nothing happens. Up to you.

Umm.. close? At least with one of them.. I'm one of those Germans haunting these boards. ;]

Oh, you sneaky Germans. ;)

What do girls do? Well, I have it on good authority that they spend thier daylight hours discussing shoes, looking at shoes, and buying shoes. At night however, they congregate in their giant Shoe temple and celebrate in an orgy of shoe worship. The High Queen slips into the ceremonial shoe, and women everywhere line up shaking dollars at it.

I trust my sources.

Hmph. I buy my shoes on Zappos and it frees up a lot of my time.

I think you've got it and I hope your life does get better! :fluffle:

Where do you live again? ;)

Tell her your name is Lisa and tell her about your huge Nigerian penis.. Laura is going to love it. Trust me.

Come on now, that hurts SaintB's feelings.

I'm a she, a girl, a woman, with ambiguous and variable love interests, although right now I am feeling straight.

But well, Ilie, after reading the letter...I have no idea.

Go out for a coffee or an ice cream and see how that goes. Perhaps you could end with a nice friend, perhaps you could end in a torrid love affair, or perhaps nothing happens. Up to you.

Well, that is a change from the "BACK OFF YOU ARE NOT FRIENDS" speech. I'll just wait to see if she messages me back again, after I said "great let's be friends." If I don't get another message, I'll assume she was blowing me off and trying to be nice about it.

I don't know. Why, you know a Laura in Ellicott City, Maryland?

I might? I went to college with a Laura Haynes we took the same class and she was part of the reason I met one of my ex girlfreinds (they were lovers at the time). She was a true hardcore lesbian, she wasn't a fem-nazi but she liked women, not men.

Well, that is a change from the "BACK OFF YOU ARE NOT FRIENDS" speech. I'll just wait to see if she messages me back again, after I said "great let's be friends." If I don't get another message, I'll assume she was blowing me off and trying to be nice about it.

I highly recommend the ice cream, if you are into it. A bar seems to be too much up close. You need a daylight encounter. Movies are fine, as long as you can find one that works for the two of you. A Poe poetry (lovely word game) encounter seems to be lovely too, if your friend wannabe is into it.

I'm a she, a girl, a woman

And a bit redundant!

:p

Aloisia is a girl, though. And I think she's straight...?

I dunno, I was just posting what I got out of that post...It looks like I terminally misinterpreted it.

True! I saw that great episode of House, too...anybody else see that, where she turns out to be a guy? She was hot, too.

Yes...If I remember right, a couple straight guys I know decided they didn't care she was a guy...

I might? I went to college with a Laura Haynes we took the same class and she was part of the reason I met one of my ex girlfreinds (they were lovers at the time). She was a true hardcore lesbian, she wasn't a fem-nazi but she liked women, not men.

This girl is not hard-core lesbian. She is like me I guess.

I highly recommend the ice cream, if you are into it. A bar seems to be too much up close. You need a daylight encounter. Movies are fine, as long as you can find one that works for the two of you. A Poe poetry (lovely word game) encounter seems to be lovely too, if your friend wannabe is into it.

Yeah, well, she hasn't messaged me back yet. Anyway, I could use some ice cream right now, with or without somebody present. Frankly, I'd rather be eating ice cream alone since I'd prefer not to have a witness to the amount of ice cream I want to eat right now.

Yes...If I remember right, a couple straight guys I know decided they didn't care she was a guy...

Indeed! She (he) was HOT.

girls are basically boys without penises. ;) (or boys are girls with penises, I can't figure out which)


Boys are girls with penises... genetically speaking, anyway.

Why does everyone seem to be telling me I'm not allowed to like art, Shakespeare, Poe, or foreign movies? :(

Curse you, stupid penis! I always knew you'd get me in trouble!

Hello, I need some social-skills help. I was asked today by a 22-year old single girl if I would like to be friends with her. As a 24-going-on-25-year-old-on-Thursday who has a boyfriend and an ill-disguised girl-phobia, I am excited to have the chance to try again at having a friend who is not an idiot friend of my boyfriend.

However, I seem to have misplaced my knowledge of what girlfriends do. Back in high school I guess we'd just hang out at each other's houses and...I don't know, talk about stuff? Watch TV? I guess we went out to eat a fair amount. Should I get an Xbox or take up scrapbooking or something? Seriously, I don't even know. I don't want to be a lame girlfriend. What do girls/women our age do with each other when they are friends?

Try to keep the pity to a minimum, thank you.

Threesomes are always good to keep the fires of passion in full flame ;)

Either that or have an lesbian (insurance) relationship in case you get sick of the b/f. Dr. Phil says its ok...

Boys are girls with penises... genetically speaking, anyway.

Why does everyone seem to be telling me I'm not allowed to like art, Shakespeare, Poe, or foreign movies? :(

Curse you, stupid penis! I always knew you'd get me in trouble!

You're allowed to like whatever you want! In fact, it will make you more popular with the women-folk.

Boys are girls with penises... genetically speaking, anyway.

Why does everyone seem to be telling me I'm not allowed to like art, Shakespeare, Poe, or foreign movies? :(

Curse you, stupid penis! I always knew you'd get me in trouble!

on the plus side, the penis gives you the power to crush beer cans on your forehead and to talk at great length about obscure sports trivia that nobody cares about

Boys are girls with penises... genetically speaking, anyway.

Why does everyone seem to be telling me I'm not allowed to like art, Shakespeare, Poe, or foreign movies? :(

Curse you, stupid penis! I always knew you'd get me in trouble!

sucks, eh?

i'm apparently not allowed to like clothes or kylie or dislike football because of mine. or at least, i'm not allowed to do this while also liking girls.

sucks, eh?

not on its own

not on its own

i just knew someone was going to take up that pun :p

This girl is not hard-core lesbian. She is like me I guess.

I just wanted to know... and give you a warning if you're not into that. I'd also ask you to say hi to her for me :p

Why does everyone seem to be telling me I'm not allowed to like art, Shakespeare, Poe, or foreign movies? :(

Curse you, stupid penis! I always knew you'd get me in trouble!

Well, you are allowed with me. So when will you come over and see a foreign movie with me?

/this woman can't stand to go to museums (unless they are science museums, which rock) or literary events (unless it's poetry slam of the humorous persuasion, which rock)

i just knew someone was going to take up that pun :p

it's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it

Well, that is a change from the "BACK OFF YOU ARE NOT FRIENDS" speech. I'll just wait to see if she messages me back again, after I said "great let's be friends." If I don't get another message, I'll assume she was blowing me off and trying to be nice about it.

are you in denial or what?

you dont want to be her friend. you tried to pick her up.

she doesnt want to be your friend. you dont take up a friendship with someone who tried to pick you up.

if she is so freaking concerned about you having a boyfriend, she wouldnt lead you on. if she wasnt intrigued by the idea of taking you up on your offer, she would have said that she isnt interested in women.

what "do you want to be my friend?" means is that she hadnt really taken your offer seriously and now she would like to get to know you better to see if she might take you up on it.

so stop pretending that you have any interest in being friends with this woman. this whole thread is disingenuous. it never had anything to do with friendship. you set up a pretense by leaving out the very important detail of trying to pick her up.

are you in denial or what?

you dont want to be her friend. you tried to pick her up.

she doesnt want to be your friend. you dont take up a friendship with someone who tried to pick you up.

if she is so freaking concerned about you having a boyfriend, she wouldnt lead you on. if she wasnt intrigued by the idea of taking you up on your offer, she would have said that she isnt interested in women.

what "do you want to be my friend?" means is that she hadnt really taken your offer seriously and now she would like to get to know you better to see if she might take you up on it.

so stop pretending that you have any interest in being friends with this woman. this whole thread is disingenuous. it never had anything to do with friendship. you set up a pretense by leaving out the very important detail of trying to pick her up.

you know Ilie, I hate to say it but Ashmoria is right about almost everything all the time. She has been around a lot longer than I have, and I would at least think on any advice she has.

(not trying to say you are old Ash, just that you are wise.;))

Talk about clothes/fashion/things that no man could discuss without ripping off his ears.

Any other Seinfeld fans immediately think "We just tease someone until they develop an eating disorder" upon reading the title?

you know Ilie, I hate to say it but Ashmoria is right about almost everything all the time. She has been around a lot longer than I have, and I would at least think on any advice she has.

(not trying to say you are old Ash, just that you are wise.;))

my 50th bday is next week.

then you can consider me old.

my 50th bday is next week.

then you can consider me old.

you are younger than my mom, and 4x as wise! ;)

dp

Come on now, that hurts SaintB's feelings.Nah.. he is too busy having wet dreams about his favorite hardcore lesbian...
He should call her.. instead of playing with himself and the keyboard.

you are younger than my mom, and 4x as wise! ;)

thank you!

We know honey, Ifreann is sorry. Isn't he?

But of course.

Nah.. he is too busy having wet dreams about his favorite hardcore lesbian...
He should call her.. instead of playing with himself and the keyboard.

can't you just be nice for once? really? (I know, it's not fun...)

can't you just be nice for once? really? (I know, it's not fun...) OK.

only because its Wesnesday.

*thinks about something nice to post.. about giving advice to Illie on how can she get on the pants of Laura*

hmmm
hmmm
err

damn its harder than what I tough..

Nude pillow fights.

sorry but it has to be said
this is pointless without links to a vid...
(just skimmed over thread so don't rant endlessly if it has been said before >__>)

OK.

only because its Wesnesday.

*thinks about something nice to post.. about giving advice to Illie on how can she get on the pants of Laura*

hmmm
hmmm
err

damn its harder than what I tough..

it's Tuesday here......I think......right?

*checks*

right?

oh, and good effort!

you get a cookie!

http://sendthemcookies.com/s/images/chocolate_chip_cookie_bitten.jpg

sorry but it has to be said
this is pointless without links to a vid...
(just skimmed over thread so don't rant endlessly if it has been said before >__>)
Dont worry.. given the OP.. it is an obvious reflex to think about a webcam..

If I didnt know Illie better.. I would guess that is the kind of response she was anticipating.. ;)

its all good.. its all fun. :D

it's Tuesday here......I think......right?

*checks*

right?no wonder.. :D
Ill try again tomorrow.. i am a good sport ;)

Well, that is a change from the "BACK OFF YOU ARE NOT FRIENDS" speech.

That was Ashmoria, not Aelosia.

I just wanted to know... and give you a warning if you're not into that. I'd also ask you to say hi to her for me :p

I'll tell her anyway. "SaintB says hi." "What?"

are you in denial or what?

you dont want to be her friend. you tried to pick her up.

she doesnt want to be your friend. you dont take up a friendship with someone who tried to pick you up.

if she is so freaking concerned about you having a boyfriend, she wouldnt lead you on. if she wasnt intrigued by the idea of taking you up on your offer, she would have said that she isnt interested in women.

what "do you want to be my friend?" means is that she hadnt really taken your offer seriously and now she would like to get to know you better to see if she might take you up on it.

so stop pretending that you have any interest in being friends with this woman. this whole thread is disingenuous. it never had anything to do with friendship. you set up a pretense by leaving out the very important detail of trying to pick her up.

Excuse me, you are assuming that all I wanted to do was sleep with this girl, and it's simply not true. Why would I start a thread about this if I didn't give a shit about being friends with her? Hey, if she doesn't want to be friends and her message was a nice way of blowing me off, okay. I have no idea. But I find it presumptuous that you think I'm pretending to do anything. I have no reason to lie to a forum, for crying out loud.

That was Ashmoria, not Aelosia.

I figured that out with Ashmoria's follow-up rant. I like how he (she?) is so angry because this is a "disingenuous" thread. It's kind of weird, frankly.

you know Ilie, I hate to say it but Ashmoria is right about almost everything all the time. She has been around a lot longer than I have, and I would at least think on any advice she has.

(not trying to say you are old Ash, just that you are wise.;))

I definitely thought on it, and I can't deny that she may be right about how this other girl feels, but I DO want to be friends with her. I am tired of people telling me what I am thinking and feeling.

my 50th bday is next week.

then you can consider me old.

That's funny, my 25th birthday is Thursday. So I will be exactly half as old as you. Weird!

<3 Happy Birthday and I appreciate the advice might I add.

OK.

only because its Wesnesday.

*thinks about something nice to post.. about giving advice to Illie on how can she get on the pants of Laura*

hmmm
hmmm
err

damn its harder than what I tough..

Not only am I not trying to get in Laura's pants, at this point I am sick of thinking about her at all. Blargh!

Dont worry.. given the OP.. it is an obvious reflex to think about a webcam..

If I didnt know Illie better.. I would guess that is the kind of response she was anticipating.. ;)

its all good.. its all fun. :D

Yeah, I figured the title would lure in lots of you perverted types. But then again, it's also intriguing enough to get the girls in here to give me advice too, which it did. So it is a pleasant mix of real advice and spam, which is just how I like my threads. :D

Yeah, I figured the title would lure in lots of you perverted types. But then again, it's also intriguing enough to get the girls in here to give me advice too, which it did. So it is a pleasant mix of real advice and spam, which is just how I like my threads. :Dand we "perverted types".. do thank you for spicing up our imagination with hot lesbian sex fantasies.. :fluffle:

please do it again.. and do it often.
BTW i am UPSing 2 web-cams to Laura.. :D

Firtsly, don't you think we'd be out doing something better if we knew?:D

Secondly, I can't really speak in regard to "friends". I find it's that frustratingly depressing stage either side of a failed relationship.

Incidentally, for the female members of NSG, what, in girlspeak, does "I don't know what I want" actually mean?

Incidentally, for the female members of NSG, what, in girlspeak, does "I don't know what I want" actually mean?
It means "I don't know what I want."

Stop thinking of girls as aliens. Stop assuming girls speak some foreign language. Leave the cooties mindset on the playground.

It means "I don't know what I want."

Stop thinking of girls as aliens. Stop assuming girls speak some foreign language. Leave the cooties mindset on the playground.

You mean they're human? Bugger me with a kipper, whatever next!:D

Firtsly, don't you think we'd be out doing something better if we knew?:D

Secondly, I can't really speak in regard to "friends". I find it's that frustratingly depressing stage either side of a failed relationship.

Incidentally, for the female members of NSG, what, in girlspeak, does "I don't know what I want" actually mean?

"I'm really confused about how I a feeling", most likely, although I hate that phrase. I prefer to use the one I'm posting here, although I haven't been involved in more than one night stands for a while.

on the plus side, the penis gives you the power to crush beer cans on your forehead and to talk at great length about obscure sports trivia that nobody cares about

I don't drink beer (well, Guinness maybe), and I'd rather have my tonsils removed twice a day than even watch sports... let alone discuss the trivia thereof. Can't win either way.

You're allowed to like whatever you want! In fact, it will make you more popular with the women-folk.

I'm way over six feet (Jocabia can now verify this), and I'm an Englishman living in America. If I get any more "popular with the women-folk", they'll have to clone me. :D

I'm way over six feet (Jocabia can now verify this), ...Jocabia is taking you "measures" ?? :D

Well, you are allowed with me. So when will you come over and see a foreign movie with me?

/this woman can't stand to go to museums (unless they are science museums, which rock) or literary events (unless it's poetry slam of the humorous persuasion, which rock)

Next time I'm in Germany, we'll go see a foreign movie. (Which will raise the inevitable and unanswerable question of what counts as foreign...).

I agree that science museums rock, but - if Shakespeare live performances count as 'literary events' then I have to split with you on that one. :)

I'm way over six feet (Jocabia can now verify this), and I'm an Englishman living in America. If I get any more "popular with the women-folk", they'll have to clone me. :D

Maybe it would help to work on your modesty.

:p Kidding, kidding...

Jocabia is taking you "measures" ?? :D

It's a vicious rumour!

Maybe it would help to work on your modesty.

:p Kidding, kidding...

I didn't say I was attractive, charming, cool or incredibly intelligent - just that I've already got that department covered through factors not of my own invention.

Obviously I am attractive, charming, cool and incredibly intelligent - but my awe-inspiring modesty forbids me from saying so.

I didn't say I was attractive, charming, cool or incredibly intelligent - just that I've already got that department covered through factors not of my own invention.

Obviously I am attractive, charming, cool and incredibly intelligent - but my awe-inspiring modesty forbids me from saying so.

You're excused, on the grounds of having Corporate Avenger in your sig.

Next time I'm in Germany, we'll go see a foreign movie. (Which will raise the inevitable and unanswerable question of what counts as foreign...).
Well, I'd want our experience to be mutual, so that'd rule out German, English, and US-American.. which, IIRC, leaves us whith quite the whopping bunch of remaining countries still, no?

I agree that science museums rock, but - if Shakespeare live performances count as 'literary events' then I have to split with you on that one. :)

Well, you split, then. There's no way I sit through a live Shakespeare performance without being paid substantial amounts of money.

Not only am I not trying to get in Laura's pants, at this point I am sick of thinking about her at all. Blargh!

Aaaw... Ups and downs? :fluffle:

I love having really close friends of both genders by the way. :)

...yes, that was kinda random...

I love having really close friends of both genders by the way. :)

Wow! I'm surprised! Not many people feel that way!

[/sarcasm]

I'm way over six feet (Jocabia can now verify this), and I'm an Englishman living in America. If I get any more "popular with the women-folk", they'll have to clone me. :D

*swoons*

Wow! I'm surprised! Not many people feel that way!

[/sarcasm]

I also like cats :)

Cheese, not so much. Well, it depends on the cheese, but in general, I''m not a huge fan. Not as food anyway. Maybe as weaponry or medicine...

*Even more random*

It means "I don't know what I want."

Stop thinking of girls as aliens. Stop assuming girls speak some foreign language. Leave the cooties mindset on the playground.

I don't know, I actually think that girls DO tend to speak a different language, and quite intentionally. I am the first person to speak up for gender equality in the way we are treated, but it's a fallacy to believe that all men and women are exactly the same in the way we think.

Incidentally, for the female members of NSG, what, in girlspeak, does "I don't know what I want" actually mean?

It usually means she wants several things but knows that she cannot have them all.

For example, she may say she doesn't know what she wants to a guy who is asking for a relationship because: she likes that guy but she may also like another guy, or loves the freedom of being able to do whatever she wants with whoever she wants and is reluctant to be in a relationship but knows that she will probably end up alone and doesn't want to be lonely, or thinks she should settle down and have kids but isn't sure if she really wants it or is just expected to do that, or she has a fantasy of traveling around the world with Johnny Depp and knows it will never happen but she just can't bear to settle for mediocrity right now, or would like to have a friends-with-benefits relationship but knows how complicated it usually gets and it's probably more trouble than it's worth, or the guy has a funny smell about him but she is ashamed of herself for thinking so because he's otherwise so great...or all of the above.

I don't know, I actually think that girls DO tend to speak a different language, and quite intentionally. I am the first person to speak up for gender equality in the way we are treated, but it's a fallacy to believe that all men and women are exactly the same in the way we think.
A fallacy that all women think the same.
A phallusy that all men do ;)

I'll tell her anyway. "SaintB says hi." "What?"

Ought to be an interesting reaction... I could tell asotry here but that might cause a threadjack (moslty people trying to call me a liar)

Ought to be an interesting reaction... I could tell asotry here but that might cause a threadjack (moslty people trying to call me a liar)
Pants on fire!

Obviously I am attractive, charming, cool and incredibly intelligent - but my awe-inspiring modesty forbids me from saying so.

Same here... minus the attractive...

It usually means she wants several things but knows that she cannot have them all.

For example, she may say she doesn't know what she wants to a guy who is asking for a relationship because: she likes that guy but she may also like another guy, or loves the freedom of being able to do whatever she wants with whoever she wants and is reluctant to be in a relationship but knows that she will probably end up alone and doesn't want to be lonely, or thinks she should settle down and have kids but isn't sure if she really wants it or is just expected to do that, or she has a fantasy of traveling around the world with Johnny Depp and knows it will never happen but she just can't bear to settle for mediocrity right now, or would like to have a friends-with-benefits relationship but knows how complicated it usually gets and it's probably more trouble than it's worth, or the guy has a funny smell about him but she is ashamed of herself for thinking so because he's otherwise so great...or all of the above.

Wonderful. So, your advice to confused male in recieving such easily intelligible statements would be?:confused:

Wonderful. So, your advice to confused male in recieving such easily intelligible statements would be?:confused:

Punt.

It usually means she wants several things but knows that she cannot have them all.

For example, she may say she doesn't know what she wants to a guy who is asking for a relationship because: she likes that guy but she may also like another guy, or loves the freedom of being able to do whatever she wants with whoever she wants and is reluctant to be in a relationship but knows that she will probably end up alone and doesn't want to be lonely, or thinks she should settle down and have kids but isn't sure if she really wants it or is just expected to do that, or she has a fantasy of traveling around the world with Johnny Depp and knows it will never happen but she just can't bear to settle for mediocrity right now, or would like to have a friends-with-benefits relationship but knows how complicated it usually gets and it's probably more trouble than it's worth, or the guy has a funny smell about him but she is ashamed of herself for thinking so because he's otherwise so great...or all of the above.

If I could... I would sig that... I was raised by my mom, I have 3 sisters (well 2 half) and I relate with females easier than with males on most occasions. Thats the best translation of "I don't know what I want" I have ever read.

Wonderful. So, your advice to confused male in recieving such easily intelligible statements would be?:confused:

Run and hide!

Or, be confident and polite and try to help them through the quandry.

Run and hide!

Or, be confident and polite and try to help them through the quandry.

Yes. Putting words in my mouth would be most welcome here...:p

Yes. Putting words in my mouth would be most welcome here...:p

A good line usually seems to be "Well, why don''t you think about it."

But remember I am single, and surrounded by female freinds that are looking for a nice honest guy who likes walks on the beach, cuddling, etc. Never mind the fact that I'm a nice honest guy who likes cuddles and walks on the beach...

So I'm no real expert.

A good line usually seems to be "Well, why don''t you think about it."

But remember I am single, and surrounded by female freinds that are looking for a nice honest guy who likes walks on the beach, cuddling, etc. Never mind the fact that I'm a nice honest guy who likes cuddles and walks on the beach...

So I'm no real expert.

If you say so.

I suggest getting Ben & Jerry's and just watching a movie, while drinking, of course.

Wonderful. So, your advice to confused male in recieving such easily intelligible statements would be?:confused:

It would be to back away because if you try to convince her into having a relationship with you (which may even be easy to do), she will undoubtedly end up cheating on you and/or breaking up with you for one of the above reasons.

If I could... I would sig that... I was raised by my mom, I have 3 sisters (well 2 half) and I relate with females easier than with males on most occasions. Thats the best translation of "I don't know what I want" I have ever read.

Thank you! I minored in languages. ;)

Run and hide!

Or, be confident and polite and try to help them through the quandry.

A good line usually seems to be "Well, why don''t you think about it."

But remember I am single, and surrounded by female freinds that are looking for a nice honest guy who likes walks on the beach, cuddling, etc. Never mind the fact that I'm a nice honest guy who likes cuddles and walks on the beach...

So I'm no real expert.

Sadly, as our friend SaintB has demonstrated here, if you really wanted a relationship and can't bear the thought of only being friends, the only thing to do is to walk away if she tells you she doesn't know what she wants. If you attempt to stand by her side and help her through her problems, you will forever end up in the Friend Zone.

The good news is, if you pretty much leave her alone while maintaining sporadic contact and live your life and act like you have never thought about it again, you have a 10% chance of ending up with her. If you DO end up with her, there is a 68% chance of it not working out, but those aren't the worst odds I've ever seen.

Ooooh, I just got it. So you're bisexual! Yes, it makes sense now.

Yes, sorry your post got lost in the shuffle. Nice to meet you. :)

Well, I'd want our experience to be mutual, so that'd rule out German, English, and US-American.. which, IIRC, leaves us whith quite the whopping bunch of remaining countries still, no?


It rules out me seeing "Lola Rennt" in Germany, though. :D

If you haven't gathered, I'm quite the fan of international cinema. I'm sure we'd find something.

I'm up for just about anything... Jean-Pierre Jeunet to Takashi Miike.

It rules out me seeing "Lola Rennt" in Germany, though. :D

If you haven't gathered, I'm quite the fan of international cinema. I'm sure we'd find something.

I'm up for just about anything... Jean-Pierre Jeunet to Takashi Miike.
Even Aliens 4 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118583/)? :eek:

Wow, a good-looking woman who is into politics, language, video games, and sex with other women.

If there were more women like you in the world, I'd probably still be married.

It rules out me seeing "Lola Rennt" in Germany, though. :D
Weeeeeellllll.. I'd make an exception for that film based on sheer awesomeness. :]

If you haven't gathered, I'm quite the fan of international cinema. I'm sure we'd find something.
I don't usually tend to be the most cineastic person of them all, but I'll trust you to go and find something good.
I'm up for just about anything... Jean-Pierre Jeunet to Takashi Miike.

... I'm not sure whether to feel bad that these names don't ring any bell at all or not. I'll go with not.

Yes, sorry your post got lost in the shuffle. Nice to meet you. :)

I thought you were the ultimate expression of the heterosexual woman

Now I can truly consider you an online sister.

Even Aliens 4 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118583/)? :eek:

This is a valid argument. Hard to defend that particular outing, but there are some redeeming features.

1) It's still closer to the original premise than Cameron's abortion.

2) Michael Wincott (best non-Crow role)

3) Brad Dourif (most underused onscreen gem)

4) A role where Winona Ryder being kind of spacey and unconvincing as a person... works in her favour.

5) Written by Joss Whedon. There is some of his genius in here still, it's just mostly well hidden.

6) It's well directed... considering what he was given. The movie was obviously designed to be much more of a Nightmare On... style horror.


Ultimately - it is sad. Resurrection is by far the weakest link in the ouvre, and that is even allowing for Cameron's product totally raping the concept. And - given the writer and the director, it should have been amazing.

Weeeeeellllll.. I'd make an exception for that film based on sheer awesomeness. :]


That film was, indeed, beyond awesome. I love Franka Potente, anyway - but Lola is pure genius. And the soundtrack kicks ass.


I don't usually tend to be the most cineastic person of them all, but I'll trust you to go and find something good.


Provided you don't end up being a Chevy Chase fan or something, I think we can probably agree on something agreeable.


... I'm not sure whether to feel bad that these names don't ring any bell at all or not. I'll go with not.

Jeunet might or might not ring a bell - City of Lost Children, Delicatessan, Amelie (released as: "Die Fabelhafte Welt der Amelie" there, I believe).

Takashi Miike is unlikely to score any points unless you like 'Japanese horror' (One Missed Call, Ichi the Killer, Audition.. although his masterpiece may well be a short in an 'oriental horror' collection called "Three Extremes" (his piece is called "Box" and is David Lynch gorgeous and bizarre)).

Well I currently don't have time to read this whole thread. But judging from the last few pages it has again turned into Ilie's advice thread. Now, what I was wondering is... why the hell does Ilie not have an advice thread? :confused:

Sadly, as our friend SaintB has demonstrated here, if you really wanted a relationship and can't bear the thought of only being friends, the only thing to do is to walk away if she tells you she doesn't know what she wants. If you attempt to stand by her side and help her through her problems, you will forever end up in the Friend Zone.

The good news is, if you pretty much leave her alone while maintaining sporadic contact and live your life and act like you have never thought about it again, you have a 10% chance of ending up with her. If you DO end up with her, there is a 68% chance of it not working out, but those aren't the worst odds I've ever seen.

Well, for the most part I been in the 'freind zone' from the moment I meet most women. I don't understand though how they can claim to want a nice guy and not another asshole and then turn around and get another asshole when the nice guy is standing right there, makes little to no sense. There were times where I had to come over and 'forceably remove' a boyfreind from a freind's house only to see them repeat the same mistake, sometimes with the same guy. Is it that they think they can change them?

Bah.. some of the older women I know (mid to late thirties and up) tell me in a few years most of these female freinds will probably realize whats happening. I guess its sort of true... I had someone practically beg me to bring them as a date to my cousin's wedding.

*swoons*

Then there's Smunkee, who likes to make me feel good about myself.

And she does make me feel good about myself, because she's a sweety, and it's nice for a sweety to swoon over you, even when she's just being nice. :D

I get the better side of that deal. I'm a godless heathen, so I can secretly covet Smunkee from afar with no fear of divine reprisal.

Provided you don't end up being a Chevy Chase fan or something, I think we can probably agree on something agreeable.
A who fan now?

Jeunet might or might not ring a bell - City of Lost Children, Delicatessan, Amelie (released as: "Die Fabelhafte Welt der Amelie" there, I believe).
Die fabelhafte Welt der Amelie does indeed ring a bell - in fact, I'm still scheduled to see that film -- uh, sometime. My flatmate has it and is convinced I must see it, so she'll force me eventually.

akashi Miike is unlikely to score any points unless you like 'Japanese horror'
Well, that ends that discussion, I don't know him and don't wanna, either. :]

A who fan now?


Die fabelhafte Welt der Amelie does indeed ring a bell - in fact, I'm still scheduled to see that film -- uh, sometime. My flatmate has it and is convinced I must see it, so she'll force me eventually.


Well, that ends that discussion, I don't know him and don't wanna, either. :]
Fletch wasn't so bad :( You should reallly see City of Lost Children. Straight off the pages of Metal Hurlant. Juenet and Caro do an amazing job of using a special effect to get the image they want, then discarding it. They don't abuse an effect just because they have it, you know? And the casting is phenomenal as well. A masterpiece!

Is this really the place where you want to get an answer to that question?

-1, this is an ideal place to learn what girls do.

Bitch, whine, moan, and complain - about everything.

Say and do unreasonable things, yap yap yap.

- = N - S - G = -

Happy birthday Ilie!! :D http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/gen055.gif :fluffle:

Happy birthday Ilie!! :D http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/gen055.gif :fluffle:
*bursts of of cake*
*strips*
Woooooo!

Yay!

*Dances in the streets*

Ceee-lebrate good times COME ON!

What girls do? They par-tay! :D

Fletch wasn't so bad :( You should reallly see City of Lost Children. Straight off the pages of Metal Hurlant. Juenet and Caro do an amazing job of using a special effect to get the image they want, then discarding it. They don't abuse an effect just because they have it, you know? And the casting is phenomenal as well. A masterpiece!

Right on one score: City of Lost Children is a masterpiece.

Wrong on one score: Fletch was 'so bad'. :D

A who fan now?



Good start. We're getting on like a house afire.


Die fabelhafte Welt der Amelie does indeed ring a bell - in fact, I'm still scheduled to see that film -- uh, sometime. My flatmate has it and is convinced I must see it, so she'll force me eventually.


You should see it.


Well, that ends that discussion, I don't know him and don't wanna, either. :]

I quite like the whole eastern horror thing, so that's why I know of him. If it's not your kind of thing, you probably don't know him - although you might have heard of "Audition", and just not be connecting it right now.

Fortunately, my movie tastes don't live or die on one nationality, industry, or genre. :)

here is my gift for you Ilie, I hope you like ;)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k52/Janisascorpio/funny/HappyBirthday.gif

Have a wild day, like if there was no tomorrow :D

I thought you were the ultimate expression of the heterosexual woman

Now I can truly consider you an online sister.

Oh really? ;)

here is my gift for you Ilie, I hope you like ;)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k52/Janisascorpio/funny/HappyBirthday.gif

Have a wild day, like if there was no tomorrow :D

Wow! Thank you, especially since my birthday thread got moved to spam.

<3

Wow, a good-looking woman who is into politics, language, video games, and sex with other women.

If there were more women like you in the world, I'd probably still be married.

You are so sweet! I assume that means you would have married somebody like me in the first place, as opposed to remaining in a dead marriage for fear of not being able to keep up with a wife like me.

Happy birthday Ilie!! :D http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/gen055.gif :fluffle:

*bursts of of cake*
*strips*
Woooooo!

Yay!

*Dances in the streets*

Ceee-lebrate good times COME ON!

What girls do? They par-tay! :D

You guys are so sweet! Partying, cake, stripping...I am the luckiest girl on NSG today. :cool:

Well I currently don't have time to read this whole thread. But judging from the last few pages it has again turned into Ilie's advice thread. Now, what I was wondering is... why the hell does Ilie not have an advice thread? :confused:

Threads tend to turn into advice from me? I thought that is usually the domain of Bottle and Ashmoria!

Well, shoot, you have inspired me. Let's see if there really is anybody who wants advice from me. And let's see if it can remain unmoved to spam.

Eat cheese cake and pinky swear tomorrow, the diet starts.

I'm late it seems... but HBD anyway.