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Russel Crowe says:
And you shouldnt keep up the steprtypical close mindedness
Russel Crowe says:

You make us look bad
SapphireRose says:

what do you mean by us??
Russel Crowe says:

er nevermind
SapphireRose says:

see....that's the WORLDS view of us....they persecute us....call us CLOSE MINDED, we're not.when you walk w/ God he actually OPENS UP YOUR MIND in the NAME of Jesus
Russel Crowe says:

if were ever too get more converts we cant appear so
Russel Crowe says:

And were called too convert
SapphireRose says:

you don't have to submit yourself to the world to get CONVERTS That's the wrong idea.
SapphireRose says:

last week whe anthony and I went ministering WE HAD A VICTORY There was a man who we ministered to who came to worship today
SapphireRose says:

I know what you're saying though.that's why we come off w/ a spirit of LOVE.that's all we need to do.
Russel Crowe says:

lets agree too disagree, the "wacko christian" sterotype isnt helping
SapphireRose says:

that's not what I'm talking about.hmm...I think you mis-understand.....
Russel Crowe says:

you said we shouldnt be so into the world in that sense
Russel Crowe says:

From what people see, were very self-contradicting
SapphireRose says:

I'm just saying people of this world aren't going to understand that when you're w/ God he doesn't close your mind he opens it to stuff that's really going on IN THE SPIRIT.that's why I'm saying we're not close minded.that's a LIE FROM SATAN.and we're suppose to come off w/ a spirit of LOVE when sharing our faith w/ people.that's what's going to win souls.and all I'm saying is that doesn't meanm..
SapphireRose says:
we have to be close minded....just share what we believe and SHOW PEOPLE THE LOVE OF CHRIST....
SapphireRose says:

that's what's going to win souls.
Russel Crowe says:

and im just saying its easy too label anything that we dont fully understand, a "lie from satan"
SapphireRose says:

dude....I don't know about you.but I DO FULLY UNDERSTAND IT
SapphireRose says:

and I DO know what's going on in the spirit
Russel Crowe says:

yeah its easy too say that
SapphireRose says:
so I can talk....and that's probably what you're not understanding....cause' you don't know it like i do......


An MSN conversation with a hardcore chrisitan. Im good ole' Russell keep in mind. Basically the bolded text is my point. Why do some christians get a high off of the superior feeling?

1. Christianity makes Christians look bad.
2. Get a blog.

Russel Crowe says:
And you shouldnt keep up the steprtypical close mindedness
Russel Crowe says:

You make us look bad
SapphireRose says:

what do you mean by us??
Russel Crowe says:

er nevermind
SapphireRose says:

see....that's the WORLDS view of us....they persecute us....call us CLOSE MINDED, we're not.when you walk w/ God he actually OPENS UP YOUR MIND in the NAME of Jesus
Russel Crowe says:

if were ever too get more converts we cant appear so
Russel Crowe says:

And were called too convert
SapphireRose says:

you don't have to submit yourself to the world to get CONVERTS That's the wrong idea.
SapphireRose says:

last week whe anthony and I went ministering WE HAD A VICTORY There was a man who we ministered to who came to worship today
SapphireRose says:

I know what you're saying though.that's why we come off w/ a spirit of LOVE.that's all we need to do.
Russel Crowe says:

lets agree too disagree, the "wacko christian" sterotype isnt helping
SapphireRose says:

that's not what I'm talking about.hmm...I think you mis-understand.....
Russel Crowe says:

you said we shouldnt be so into the world in that sense
Russel Crowe says:

From what people see, were very self-contradicting
SapphireRose says:

I'm just saying people of this world aren't going to understand that when you're w/ God he doesn't close your mind he opens it to stuff that's really going on IN THE SPIRIT.that's why I'm saying we're not close minded.that's a LIE FROM SATAN.and we're suppose to come off w/ a spirit of LOVE when sharing our faith w/ people.that's what's going to win souls.and all I'm saying is that doesn't meanm..
SapphireRose says:
we have to be close minded....just share what we believe and SHOW PEOPLE THE LOVE OF CHRIST....
SapphireRose says:

that's what's going to win souls.
Russel Crowe says:

and im just saying its easy too label anything that we dont fully understand, a "lie from satan"
SapphireRose says:

dude....I don't know about you.but I DO FULLY UNDERSTAND IT
SapphireRose says:

and I DO know what's going on in the spirit
Russel Crowe says:

yeah its easy too say that
SapphireRose says:
so I can talk....and that's probably what you're not understanding....cause' you don't know it like i do......


An MSN conversation with a hardcore chrisitan. Im good ole' Russell keep in mind. Basically the bolded text is my point. Why do some christians get a high off of the superior feeling?
It vindicates suffering, and further gives them a feeling of exaltation and victory. The shallowest and most egotistical of accomplishment, of course.

Russel Crowe? Of "Fightin' 'Round the World" fame? :p

What?
There are some people with a few too many ships in their fleet?
And some of these people are Christian?
*shock*
:eek:
*horror*
:mad::confused:
*dismay*
:(

What?
There are some people with a few too many ships in their fleet?
And some of these people are Christian?
*shock*
:eek:
*horror*
:mad::confused:
*dismay*
:(

I wonder, really, what people truly expect when they announce a lifestyle that requires them to never actually prove anything they call "truth" to anyone while simultaneously declaring other people don't understand ... all the while, thinking they are rational and sound of mind AND invoking invisible puppets with extremely infantile emotional integrity.

I wonder, really, what people truly expect when they announce a lifestyle that requires them to never actually prove anything they call "truth" to anyone while simultaneously declaring other people don't understand ... all the while, thinking they are rational and sound of mind AND invoking invisible puppets with extremely infantile emotional integrity.

Some Christian push you out of line at Burger King?

I am Christian and I don't do half of that...

Some Christian push you out of line at Burger King?:D
Not yet, but i'm rubbin' my Rosary for it.


I am Christian and I don't do half of that...
Perhaps you're only half-Christian, then?

It's deeper than an individual's choice and interpretation, and admittedly, i speak in a sweeping manner.
But i can find fault and favour with anyone if i dig deep enough.

Some Christian push you out of line at Burger King?

I am Christian and I don't do half of that...

A chinese lady pushed me out of line at the Arab market today - I haven't had that happen since I was about 6 years old! :p Amazing that people really do that.

A chinese lady pushed me out of line at the Arab market today - I haven't had that happen since I was about 6 years old! :p Amazing that people really do that.

Some people do it for the thrill ... i think Verdigroth called it "frotterism" or "frottage".
Verdigroth <3's elevator rides. Especially the windowed ones.

Some people do it for the thrill ... i think Verdigroth called it "frotterism" or "frottage".
Verdigroth <3's elevator rides. Especially the windowed ones.

Ugh. Well, at least she didn't grope me beyond elbowing her way in. Though she kept poking at my cheeses when we both had our items on the conveyor. "Yes, they're both cheese," I had to say. I felt like I was in that "Borat" movie (saw it last week). :p

"Yes, they're both cheese," I had to say.
Did you start talking in a Borat accent?
*hi-5*

Did you start talking in a Borat accent?
*hi-5*

No, but I had ample opportunity - she asked me about four or five times whether one or the other was cheese. I might think she was having a joke at my expense, but I doubt a 70-year old Chinese woman would be a big Borat fan. :p

No, but I had ample opportunity - she asked me about four or five times whether one or the other was cheese. I might think she was having a joke at my expense, but I doubt a 70-year old Chinese woman would be a big Borat fan. :p

More and more every day, it might appear!
...like Martha Stewart, Conan O'Brien and, of course, Pam Anderson.
:)

:D
Not yet, but i'm rubbin' my Rosary for it.


Perhaps you're only half-Christian, then?

It's deeper than an individual's choice and interpretation, and admittedly, i speak in a sweeping manner.
But i can find fault and favour with anyone if i dig deep enough.

Heh. :p

Maybe.

As we all can I am sure.

By the by, when I posted the post you quoted, or right after it rather, the following assualted my seeing orificii.

"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

:eek::confused:

So I re-registered under a new name...but, this has left me wondering.

Did I commit a crime of truly heinous proportions?
Or is this what happens when a nation 'dies'?

As a Christian myself, I can't say I get a "high" off of the superior feeling; I know I don't know all the answers.

I suppose one of the biggest turn-offs of Christianity to most people is that we, as a people group, have a hard time getting our own faith straight. What I mean by that is, we've got SO many denominations, and then so many spin-offs from those denominations, and then so many independent churches out there - all of whom place themselves under the umbrella of "Christianity" - that many people view it as us simply not being able to get our story straight.

With that said, if another Christian talks to me about this or that aspect of the faith, and we happen to disagree, I'm not going to sit there and say "well I'm right and you're wrong", because like I said, I don't know all the answers.

I WOULD venture that there are certain tenets that all Christians should believe, because these tenets are what makes Christianity, Christianity.

a) God and mankind were once able to fellowship together
b) Man disobeyed God, thus bringing sin into the world and forming a (metaphorical) chasm between man and God
c) God was incarnated in Jesus Christ, who was born of a virgin
d) He lived a sinless life
e) He suffered and died on a cross as a perfect sacrifice to atone for the world's sins
f) He resurrected three days later, conquering sin and death
g) those who believe are reconciled to God**
g) He is coming back again one day (the rapture)

Now, as far as living out the Christian faith goes, there are a number of hot topic issues that have come up throughout the years, and the disagreements on said issues have led to the Church branching off into all the different denominations. I put some asterisks up there for a reason. What does "believing" mean to a Christian? Are we saved by simply asking for forgiveness from God and accepting the gift of His Son's sacrifice? Are we saved by living a good life full of good works? Are we saved by some measure of both faith and good works? People can't agree on that, and so there's different denominations. Should we pray to saints, or shouldn't we? Different denominations. Should we baptize people by sprinkling, or immersion? Or is baptism even necessary? Different denominations.

To be honest, some of these issues seem rather insignificant to me, and take away from [what I believe to be] the main points of Christianity that I mentioned above; but obviously, to others these points are of great importance. I suppose when you're discussing something that has eternal ramifications, you want to be sure you do things right. And frankly, that's why so many Christians I know seem so set in their ways about a given issue: because if one Christian thinks that another Christian isn't living the way they should, then of course they'd want to let that person know; not to be "holier-than-thou" but because they're trying to help that person.

I'm not going to sit here and say that every Christian's motives are that altruistic; granted, there ARE some out there who really get off on feeling "holier-than-thou". But certainly those people might want to check their motives for tell other Christians how they should be living their life?

So that's my two bits. Like I said, I don't know all the answers, so I'm not going to sit here and act like I do. But with that said, I think a lot of the time what comes across to some as a 'holier-than-thou' attitude is really nothing more than differences in denominational belief.

Russel Crowe says:
And you shouldnt keep up the steprtypical close mindedness
Russel Crowe says:

You make us look bad
SapphireRose says:

what do you mean by us??
Russel Crowe says:

er nevermind
SapphireRose says:

see....that's the WORLDS view of us....they persecute us....call us CLOSE MINDED, we're not.when you walk w/ God he actually OPENS UP YOUR MIND in the NAME of Jesus
Russel Crowe says:

if were ever too get more converts we cant appear so
Russel Crowe says:

And were called too convert
SapphireRose says:

you don't have to submit yourself to the world to get CONVERTS That's the wrong idea.
SapphireRose says:

last week whe anthony and I went ministering WE HAD A VICTORY There was a man who we ministered to who came to worship today
SapphireRose says:

I know what you're saying though.that's why we come off w/ a spirit of LOVE.that's all we need to do.
Russel Crowe says:

lets agree too disagree, the "wacko christian" sterotype isnt helping
SapphireRose says:

that's not what I'm talking about.hmm...I think you mis-understand.....
Russel Crowe says:

you said we shouldnt be so into the world in that sense
Russel Crowe says:

From what people see, were very self-contradicting
SapphireRose says:

I'm just saying people of this world aren't going to understand that when you're w/ God he doesn't close your mind he opens it to stuff that's really going on IN THE SPIRIT.that's why I'm saying we're not close minded.that's a LIE FROM SATAN.and we're suppose to come off w/ a spirit of LOVE when sharing our faith w/ people.that's what's going to win souls.and all I'm saying is that doesn't meanm..
SapphireRose says:
we have to be close minded....just share what we believe and SHOW PEOPLE THE LOVE OF CHRIST....
SapphireRose says:

that's what's going to win souls.
Russel Crowe says:

and im just saying its easy too label anything that we dont fully understand, a "lie from satan"
SapphireRose says:

dude....I don't know about you.but I DO FULLY UNDERSTAND IT
SapphireRose says:

and I DO know what's going on in the spirit
Russel Crowe says:

yeah its easy too say that
SapphireRose says:
so I can talk....and that's probably what you're not understanding....cause' you don't know it like i do......


An MSN conversation with a hardcore chrisitan. Im good ole' Russell keep in mind. Basically the bolded text is my point. Why do some christians get a high off of the superior feeling?

Your sig is 13 lines long. Maximum is 8.

Well to be put simply the pack mentality of fundamentalism is dangerous, it's the idea that if you alone believed in a God no one else did, the delusion wouldn't be very self-reinforcing, but when lots of people share the same delusion it reinforces your delusion are empirical truth. As far as I can see it, words are only words until you give them substance with actions. 'Spiritual content' for it's own sake it meaningless if it leads to nothing substantive. In the context of Christianity this would mean social services to the abject poor, widows, homeless etc, to take a moderate interpretation of the Gospel. Very little of Jesus' teaching was about unsubstantial 'salvation' from an unsubstantial 'suffering', most of it were parables about societal responsibility and equity. Parallels can be drawn between what some have characterized as the egalitarian and anti-establishment message of Jesus, who — according to Christian Gospel — spoke against the religious authorities of his time, and the egalitarian, anti-establishment message.

Fundamentalists are the ultimate hypocrisy because they totally ignore the above message of Jesus, they have drawn a wild conclusion that people have to 'accept' some unsubstantiated being rather than just taking the message of Jesus as it is. If they were true 'Christians' they would help the poor and homeless in their community, and moreover their political efforts would be directed toward elevating such social problems, rather than directing their attentions to issues of hate and intolerance, gay rights, abortion etc, when the real problems of society are before their feet, literally. How much did Jesus devote to gays, or abortion, or so called morality of the Christian
'right', nothing.

Most so-called Christians will make themselves look bad just as soon as they open their mouths. To bad that makes the good christians look bad too.

The essential flaw of the young Christian reasoning is that they have confused explanation with experience.

There is little doubt that there is a religious experience of sorts. I have my own explanations for it; the best way to actually describe it is as Engaged Consciousness, I think. I am of no delusion, however, that the experience is sufficient justification for the explanation. Where young Christians go wrong is to assume, in their naivity and vulnerability (after what is, actually, a very psychologically disturbing event), that the explanation provided by the church for this experience is complete, whole and singular.

The girl you talked to has fallen into this trap. Having been exposed to the expanded reality, she has come to believe that there is only one possible explanation; namely, the one the church told her. As a result, it doesn't occur to her to distinguish between the event and the explanation for it. This is why many Christians believe themselves to hold a truth above all others: the idea that what they go through is distinct to the word they proclaim is never even so much as suggested.

No, what I find ridiculous is not all Christians give a fuck to say what is right or wrong. Yet, all Christians get the shit end of the social stick because they apparently are Fascist Goat Farmers from another Dimension.

Then again, a lot of 'Catholics' I know are pretty fucking stupid...no offense...

Most so-called Christians will make themselves look bad just as soon as they open their mouths. To bad that makes the good christians look bad too.
What's the difference really between "good" and "bad" Christians? They believe in the same stuff, and it is their shared belief(-system) that makes them all look bad, as soon as they open their mouths. They are saying the same things, after all.

No, what I find ridiculous is not all Christians give a fuck to say what is right or wrong. Yet, all Christians get the shit end of the social stick because they apparently are Fascist Goat Farmers from another Dimension.
Then again, a lot of 'Catholics' I know are pretty fucking stupid...no offense...You don't count Catholics as Christians?

By the by, when I posted the post you quoted, or right after it rather, the following assualted my seeing orificii.

"vBulletin Message
You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

:eek::confused:

So I re-registered under a new name...but, this has left me wondering.

Did I commit a crime of truly heinous proportions?
Or is this what happens when a nation 'dies'?

You didn't login to your nation frequently enough: if you don't log in for 40 days (I think) it's automatically deleted.