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The French have elected Sarkozy.. an all-the-way Right wing man, from a Jewish family, who has no absolutely problem kissing the ass of George Bush.

The question is who is going to stand up the Bulshevike demands @ the UN?
Who is going to take Chirac place?
The answer -so far- in very unlikely..
apparently.. Indonesia. ... :confused:


Security Council Refuses to Condemn Iran
6:11 p.m. CT June 8, 2007

UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. Security Council refused to approve a statement Friday that would condemn remarks about Israel's impending destruction attributed to Iran's hard-line president because of objections from Indonesia, council diplomats said.

The official Islamic Republic News Agency reported Sunday that Ahmadinejad referred twice to Israel's destruction.

IRNA quoted the president as saying that in last summer's war between Israel and Hezbollah "the Lebanese nation pushed the button to begin counting the days until the destruction of the Zionist regime." It also quoted him as saying "God willing, in the near future we will witness the destruction of the corrupt occupier regime."

Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, said Ahmadinejad had not really threatened Israel, council diplomats said.

Indonesia also accused the Security Council of double standards in defending Israel. It accused the council of doing nothing when Palestinians are attacked, when Israeli ministers threatened Iran or when the newspaper Haaretz called for Ahmadinejad's assassination, the diplomats said.

Sources: Yahoo/NBC/AP/OccNEWS
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19103795/

The French have elected Zarkosy a notoriously Right wing man, from a Jewish family, who has no absolutely problem kissing the ass of George Bush.

And you wonder why IDF calls you an anti-Semite... :rolleyes:

It's spelt Sarkozy by the way.

And you wonder why IDF calls you an anti-Semite... :rolleyes:What?? We are not longer allowed to say "I think the President is Christian" or "I think he is Muslim"..
How many thousand times have we mentioned the "Christianity" of George Bush?

BTW I dont care what he calls me.
BTW #2 I dont care what you call me.

What..We are not linger allowed to say "Or I think he is Christian" or "I think he is Muslim".. How many thousand times have we mentioned the "Christianity" of George Bush?

The difference is that Sarkozy's politics and religion have nothing to do with each other.

The difference is that Sarkozy's politics and religion have nothing to do with each other.Are you saying France politics on Israel/Palestine/Iran are not going to change?

Thats impossible to say.

But it isn't so blatant as in the case of GWB

The difference is that Sarkozy's politics and religion have nothing to do with each other.

Thats impossible to say.

But it isn't so blatant as in the case of GWBthen again.. nothing in the Universe is so blatant..

What?? We are not longer allowed to say "I think he is Christian" or "I think he is Muslim"..

Cute, but you're not fooling anyone. There's something called 'context' which is often used in writing. If you were writing something like:

Nicholas Sarkozy was born in the north of France to Jewish parents. He has four children and his hobbies include chamber music and Age of Empires II

Then nobody would think twice about it. As it was, you listed his Jewishness between "an all-the-way Right wing man" and "who has no absolutely problem kissing the ass of George Bush." By sandwiching it between two criticisms you make it very clear that you consider his Jewish family to be a fault.

How many thousand times have we mentioned the "Christianity" of George Bush?

When Sarkozy invades a country and claims that YHWH told him to then his Jewishness will become an issue.

BTW I dont care what he calls me.
BTW #2 I dont care what you call me.

That's just as well.

Are you saying France politics on Israel/Palestine/Iran are not going to change?

His campaign website is here (http://www.sarkozy.fr/lafrance/). The only reference to foreign policy is a need to recognise that global dynamics are changing and that new powers are rising. No mention of Israel whatsoever that I can find.

When Sarkozy invades a country and claims that YHWH told him to...The invasion of Palestine, The Creation of Israel..

What was all about?
The Land God himself promised to the Jews?
Old Religious writing gives them the absolute rights to that Land?

Is there any other Politicians (besides George Bush) that could discriminate -on Diplomatic and Military policies- based on their family religious beleifs?

I think it is probable.. Jewish, Muslim and evangelical-Christian Politicians are likely to.. as far as the ME is concerned.

His campaign website is here (http://www.sarkozy.fr/lafrance/). The only reference to foreign policy is a need to recognise that global dynamics are changing and that new powers are rising. No mention of Israel whatsoever that I can find.wait and see..
Actions speak louder than words.

If anyone started a thread where they criticised a politician for being a Muslim, Oceandrive would have a fit. Only a bigot judges a politician based on who they are rather than what they do.

Only a bigot judges a politician based on who they are rather than what they do.Like I said:

Wait and see, Actions speak louder than words.

The invasion of Palestine, The Creation of Israel..

What was all about?
The Land God himself promised to the Jews?
Old Religious writing gives them the absolute rights to that Land?

Is there any other Politicians (besides George Bush) that could discriminate -on Diplomatic and Military policies- based on their family religious beleifs?

I think it is probable.. Jewish, Muslim and evangelical-Christian Politicians are likely to.. as far as the ME is concerned.

Just like the arabs who invaded it? What right can they say its their land?
Just going by that, its been reinvaded, live with it.

But more to the point, i dont think his religious belief have had anything to do with his policies currently, so I dont see why you mention them...

The invasion of Palestine, The Creation of Israel..

Really? Sarkozy must be older than I thought...

There are plenty of Jews who're critical of Israel. Why don't you just admit that you made a stupid, bigotted remark and apologise?

Like I said:

Wait and see, Actions speak louder than words.

...and words speak louder than the ethnicity of your parents...

i dont think his religious belief have had anything to do with his policies ..you dont think?
fair enough


so I dont see why you mention them...Like I said:
We are not longer allowed to say "I think the President is Christian" or "I think he is Muslim" ??
How many thousand times have we mentioned the "Christianity" of George Bush?


Just like the arabs who invaded it? #1 I dont see the Palestinians claiming God-in-person promised us that Land.

#2 AFAIK The Palestinians populated a empty Land.

The French have elected Sarkozy.. an all-the-way Right wing man, from a Jewish family, who has no absolutely problem kissing the ass of George Bush.
I assume all descendants of Jews kiss the ass of Bush then. I'd better buy myself a plane ticket to America then, and do my duty.:rolleyes:

The question is who is going to stand up the Bulshevike demands @ the UN?
Who is going to take Chirac place?
The answer -so far- in very unlikely..
apparently.. Indonesia. ... :confused:
You know, China and Russia have seats on the security council, and I they don't, whatever you might think, take demands from Bush particularly seriously.

You know, China and Russia have seats on the security council, and I they don't, whatever you might think, take demands from Bush particularly seriously.

China and Russia don't give a f*** about what the US wants pushed through the Security Council too much except when it has to do with Chechnya, Taiwan or any militant regime they happen to be selling record numbers of weapon systems to.

I really hate it when a Security Council member tries to use the UN as a puppet to give legitimacy to their belligerent foreign policy.

..all descendants of Jews kiss the ass of Bush then. I'd better buy myself a plane ticket to America then, and do my duty.:rolleyes:You are implying I said that.

But I never-ever would say nothing like that..

the proof is right on my signature.

You know, China and Russia have seats on the security council, and I they don't, whatever you might think, take demands from Bush particularly seriously.Actions speak louder than words..

Indonesia action in this case.

China and Russia don't give a f*** about what the US wants pushed through the Security Council too much except when it has to do with Chechnya, Taiwan or any militant regime they happen to be selling record numbers of weapon systems to.

I really hate it when a Security Council member tries to use the UN as a puppet to give legitimacy to their belligerent foreign policy.
They've been doing that since day one.

You are implying I said that.

But I never-ever would said nothing like that..

the proof is right on my signature.
Right. I count this along with statements like "I have black friends!" and "I'm not a racist, but..."

If you didn't say that, then why mention him coming from a Jewish family at all?

Actions speak louder than words..

Indonesia action in this case.
Indonesia isn't taking action. All they've done is words.

Right. I count this along with statements like "I have black friends!" and...You are not paying attention,

let me press the slow-motion key: ;)

Occean: Sarkozy is more than ready to kiss Bush ass.
Burmecia: Oh My God.. that means -me and- all the other Jews in the world have to take a plane and kiss Bush ass.
Occean: WTF? I said Sarkozy, not all the Jews in the world.
Burmecia: Right. I count this along with statements like "I have black friends!" and...
Occean:.. WTF are you smoking?

Indonesia isn't taking action. All they've done is words.having the official representative of your third-world Country standing-up alone to the United States of America (the greatest Military and Economic power in the world) is taking action.

Its more than most countries will ever accomplish at the UN.

having the official representative of your Country standing up the the Mighty United States of America (the greatest Military and Economic power in the world) is taking action.

Its more than most countries will ever accomplish at the UN.
I doubt much is going to change, as a result, unfortunately.

I doubt much is going to change, as a result, unfortunately.I cant counter that and...

you are probably right.

going AFK in 2 min..
ill be back tomorrow.

They've been doing that since day one.


So? I still hate it. It's not what the UN is meant to be, and thankfully most of the time the Security Council doesn't rubber stamp statements lobbied by the Big Three.

So? I still hate it. It's not what the UN is meant to be, and thankfully most of the time the Security Council doesn't rubber stamp statements lobbied by the Big Three.
I agree completely.

Is President Sarkozy Jewish, or just from a Jewish family? Or rather, is he Jewish but non-practicing.

his hobbies include chamber music and Age of Empires II

ROFL

#1 I dont see the Palestinians claiming God-in-person promised us that Land.

No, they're Muslims. They believe that God promised them the whole damn world.

No, they're Muslims. They believe that God promised them the whole damn world.

You're such a filthy bigot I wonder what prevents you from plunging your head into a meat grinder just out of shame.

Ocean.

You flubbed. There's no way to waffle around it without looking more and more like Potato Factory's brother-in-arms. Just apologize and quiet down.

It's not like bush will have the time to carry out his evil plans. He'll be out soon.

Ocean.

You flubbed. There's no way to waffle around it without looking more and more like Potato Factory's brother-in-arms. Just apologize and quiet down.

Keep him the fuck away from me. I like my West intact the way it is, thank you very much.

You're such a filthy bigot I wonder what prevents you from plunging your head into a meat grinder just out of shame.

*insert generic nonchalant comeback here*

The French have elected Sarkozy.. an all-the-way Right wing man, from a Jewish family, who has no absolutely problem kissing the ass of George Bush OH NOEZ HE'S ONE OF THE THE WORLDWIDE ZIONIST OVERLORDS!!!


Occean: Sarkozy is Jewish and more than ready to kiss Bush ass.

That's more what you posted.

What?? We are not longer allowed to say "I think the President is Christian" or "I think he is Muslim"..
How many thousand times have we mentioned the "Christianity" of George Bush?

BTW I dont care what he calls me.
BTW #2 I dont care what you call me.

You are a worthless anti-semite. You list a series of faults (in your point of view) and throw Jewish in the middle of them.

You can at least try to make it less obvious that you are a bigoted fool.

You are not paying attention,

let me press the slow-motion key: ;)

Occean: Sarkozy is more than ready to kiss Bush ass.
Burmecia: Oh My God.. that means -me and- all the other Jews in the world have to take a plane and kiss Bush ass.
Occean: WTF? I said Sarkozy, not all the Jews in the world.
Burmecia: Right. I count this along with statements like "I have black friends!" and...
Occean:.. WTF are you smoking?
You didn't say that, and you know it. And, FYI, I'm no more Jewish than Sarkozy. You were the one who made his Jewish background an issue, not me, and you're despicable for trying to be so disingenuous as to make it seem that I brought up being Jewish.

The French have elected Sarkozy.. an all-the-way Right wing man, from a Jewish family, who has no absolutely problem kissing the ass of George Bush.
See the difference between your OP and what you claimed to have written above?

You are a worthless anti-semite. You list a series of faults (in your point of view) and throw Jewish in the middle of them.

You can at least try to make it less obvious that you are a bigoted fool.


Agreed. Odd the way and he spud-boy almost parallel each other.....

Agreed. Odd the way and he spud-boy almost parallel each other.....right :rolleyes:

he must be my ebil twin brother from universe #69 (Potato Universe) :D

right :rolleyes:

he must be my ebil twin brother from universe #69 (Potato Universe) :D

You do scratch each other's backs.

He calls you another drone in the Evil Muslim Insect Horde trying to devour the West, and you get to say he's part of the Islamicidal Evil Zionist Conspiracy.

No, they're Muslims. They believe that God promised them the whole damn world.

Your a worthless bigot, go away MTAE.

right :rolleyes:

he must be my ebil twin brother from universe #69 (Potato Universe) :D

Essentially, yes. Usually you can tell by the beard, but here we may have to go by the acne.

First off, when a national leader, like say the president of Iran, says something along the lines of "Israel should be destroyed" and then holds a Holocaust denial conference it ought to send up red flags. Why anyone would defend a man who defends genocide is beyond my understanding.

And since when is France going to great lengths to kiss ass? So far I've seen nothing but fence mending and not that much of it either. I really don't see the point of bringing that up though, the French freely chose a different leader. Maybe they were tired of business as usual.

The French have elected Sarkozy.. an all-the-way Right wing man, from a Jewish family, who has no absolutely problem kissing the ass of George Bush.

Indeed. :( More important than jewish, he comes for a family which collaborated with the nazis... and fled the red army.

The question is who is going to stand up the Bulshevike demands @ the UN? Who is going to take Chirac place?

In the security council, probably no one :( At the UN as a whole, well, South American leftish leaders (Chávez, Morales, Correa, Castro, Ortega) will do it very firmly, bravely and proudly. But they don't have as much power as France, since they are not in the security council.

The difference is that Sarkozy's politics and religion have nothing to do with each other.

Not really. He even wrote a book saying that, according to him, religion should take more place in politics. But he's christian, not jewish (as a religion).

Is President Sarkozy Jewish, or just from a Jewish family? Or rather, is he Jewish but non-practicing.

He's christian. I think he has some jewish family, but I don't know much about it (and don't care much either).

First off, when a national leader, like say the president of Iran, says something along the lines of "Israel should be destroyed" and then holds a Holocaust denial conference it ought to send up red flags. Why anyone would defend a man who defends genocide is beyond my understanding.

For tactical/strategical reasons, the same way that western countries (USA and France and many other) closed their eyes and even helped people committing genocides in one part or another of the world. For France, the best example is Rwanda.

And since when is France going to great lengths to kiss ass? So far I've seen nothing but fence mending and not that much of it either. I really don't see the point of bringing that up though, the French freely chose a different leader. Maybe they were tired of business as usual.

Sarkozy came to Washington to apologize to Bush of France position... that what you can call "ass kissing". As for chsoing a "different leader", that's one lie the media managed to spread, Sarkozy was the vice-prime-minister from 2002 to 2007, and the leader of the party in power since 2005. Hardly what I call "a different leader". As for french chosing... well, it would be more correct to say that the TV channels chosed Sarkozy in 2002. And then, they did their best in 5 years to have him elected... and they managed it.

As for french chosing... well, it would be more correct to say that the TV channels chosed Sarkozy in 2002. And then, they did their best in 5 years to have him elected... and they managed it.
Lol!

You found a way to make democracy go away when it's bad for your argument! Yay!

As for the OP, it's a silly proposition to start with. As if France would previously have vetoed a resolution condemning Ahmadinejad's statements. Absolutely nothing has changed. It's not like Sarkozy supported the Iraq war either.

Lol!

You found a way to make democracy go away when it's bad for your argument! Yay!

I saw how the media did their best to have Sarkozy elected. And how the people voted: people voted massively for Sarkozy on the "suburban zones" issue... but not the people inside those areas. Sarkozy was elected by those who only see the reality of those area through the screen of their TV, and was massively (60% or even more) rejected by those who live there and see the reality (and who are, by the way, the primary victims of "insecurity" too).

As for the OP, it's a silly proposition to start with. As if France would previously have vetoed a resolution condemning Ahmadinejad's statements. Absolutely nothing has changed. It's not like Sarkozy supported the Iraq war either.

Sarkozy did. I didn't say it loud and strong because that would cost him votes, but he went to Washington to present his excuses to Bush... and he chosed as ministry of foreign affairs one who publically supporter this invasion.

Maybe China would :D

But is nice to hear that the French would be keeping their mouth shut, but with the Democrats most likely to win the elections, that would not be too bad after all :D

Sarkozy did.
No, he actually didn't.

I didn't say it loud and strong because that would cost him votes, but he went to Washington to present his excuses to Bush...
Yeah, that must have been it. Of course, evidence is in short supply, but what else could a person whose family actually dared to flee the glorious Red Army have had to say.

Seriously though, he said that the French government was handling its opposition to the war quite badly and that he would have handled it differently, no more and no less.

...and he chosed as ministry of foreign affairs one who publically supporter this invasion.
Hehe, do you really think I don't know which party that man belonged to until just a few weeks ago, when he dared take Sarkozy's job offer?

And besides, Kouchner is a firm believer in human rights and freedom from oppression and tyranny. He didn't support the invasion because he loves the US so much, he supported it because he thinks bringing down brutal and dictatorial regimes is a global responsibility. And apart from the obvious impracticality of it, I have to say that on a purely idealistic basis I agree with him.

Seriously though, he said that the French government was handling its opposition to the war quite badly and that he would have handled it differently, no more and no less.

Which means he wouldn't have used the veto right to make the war illegal.


Hehe, do you really think I don't know which party that man belonged to until just a few weeks ago, when he dared take Sarkozy's job offer?

And ? He managed to find someone in the PS who, on this issue, is more to the right than the majority of his own party... he deserves congratulations for this very skillfull move, but it doesn't change the position of this guy.

And besides, Kouchner is a firm believer in human rights and freedom from oppression and tyranny.

Not really. This guy is the one who accepted a (well-paid) mission for Total in Birmania, where Total is the first supporter of the brutal military junta in power. And he never opposed the french policy in Africa even when it involves supporting france-friendly dictators. He's a firm believer of western supremacy and of our right to do the police everywhere in the world. Remember also he was fired from the NGO "Médecins sans frontières" when he started wanting to use the humanitary actions of this NGO as a tool to be seen in the media.

He didn't support the invasion because he loves the US so much, he supported it because he thinks bringing down brutal and dictatorial regimes is a global responsibility. And apart from the obvious impracticality of it, I have to say that on a purely idealistic basis I agree with him.

The problem being the impracticality of it, of course. And either he's totally stupid (which I don't think he is), or he knew it. But he didn't care about the consequences on the people of Irak. He has a very colonial mindframe, in which the civilised "West" _has_ to teach lessons to the uncivilised "barbarians", and no cost in death is too heavy for him.

I saw how the media did their best to have Sarkozy elected. And how the people voted: people voted massively for Sarkozy on the "suburban zones" issue... but not the people inside those areas. Sarkozy was elected by those who only see the reality of those area through the screen of their TV, and was massively (60% or even more) rejected by those who live there and see the reality (and who are, by the way, the primary victims of "insecurity" too).
-- Four hostile newspapers (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Napoleon) are more to be feared than a thousand bayonets. --

The Media was already extremely powerful in the empire days..
Imagine today

As for (Occean) it's a silly proposition to start with. ...

Absolutely nothing has changed. (in French Foreign Policy/ Israel-MiddleEast)You realize you are murdering your credibility.. dont you?

Your a worthless bigot, go away MTAE.While I agree that Potato Factory's claim is bigoted and wrong, you are in no position to call anyone a bigot. Pot meet kettle.

You realize you are murdering your credibility.. dont you?OD you are in no position to talk about credibility. You don't even defend your own outlandish statements on these forums. When your points are attacked you try and fail miserably to distract by using poor and childish humor.

Even those on your side of an issue try to distance themselves from your posts.

And you wonder why IDF calls you an anti-Semite... :rolleyes:

It's spelt Sarkozy by the way.

I have a long string of links where he's said something anti-Semitic, and then gone back and edited his posts.

It's why you have to quote him quickly, so he can't deny it.

You don't even defend your own outlandish statements on these forums.What is that again?
-outlandish-

once upon your name calling was reduced to either Nazi or Anti-semite

Goodness gracious.. you are getting sophtisticated. :D (yes its a new word)

Why dont you..
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/64/81/0000036481_20061214143904.jpg

just do it, show us the links.
apparently you have a lot.. share with us. Dont be selfish. Dont be shy.

We don't need to, when you keep making new ones, like the one at the OP.

I have a long string of links where Occean Drive said something anti-Semitic... Why dont you..
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/64/81/0000036481_20061214143904.jpg

just do it, show us the links.
apparently you have a lot.. share with us. Dont be selfish. Dont be shy.

We don't need to, when you keep making new ones, like the one at the OP.BullShit,
The edit at the OP was for the spelling in the name "Sarkozy"

Here is a hint (link)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12753092&postcount=2

BTW some NSG players suscribe to every ## thread I post.. and they get all the edits by E-mail.

I have nothing to hide.

The French have elected Sarkozy.. an all-the-way Right wing man, from a Jewish family, who has no absolutely problem kissing the ass of George Bush.

The question is who is going to stand up the Bulshevike demands @ the UN?
Who is going to take Chirac place?
The answer -so far- in very unlikely..
apparently.. Indonesia. ... :confused:

Canada?...uhh...Germany?...Russia?...China?...India?...Brazil?......70% of the USA?

Canada?

one word comes to mind:

Harper (http://www.gregfelton.com/canpol/2006_03_16a_HarperBush.gif)

clik on the name and see.

one word comes to mind:

Harper (http://www.gregfelton.com/canpol/2006_03_16a_HarperBush.gif)

clik on the name and see.

LOLZ.....yea the heeling has begun....

LOLZ.....yea the heeling has begun....keep in mind I respect the Canadian people..
... But i ll pass on Mr Harper. Thx, but No thanks.

Not to mention environmental issues, Canada was a Leader, making me proud.

keep in mind I respect the Canadian people..
But the name Harper makes me vomit.

thankfully he only has a minority gov't.....and it seems that won't be changing any time soon

You realize you are murdering your credibility.. dont you?
I'm not. You're talking about Iran.

Believe it or not, but the Middle East is not a black & white sort of place. There's more to it than "pro Israel & US vs pro Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran".

Chirac's government didn't veto anything that was against Iran. Didn't even threaten to veto anything. It's part of the EU's effort to stop the Iranian weapons program. That was because Chirac's government realised that an Iranian nuclear weapon isn't exactly going to be a stabilising force in the region and because Iran is simply not living up to its responsibilities under the NPT.

Yes, I believe Sarkozy will continue this course. As for Israel, he may well be a little more friendly to them than Chirac was, but then Chirac wasn't a friend of Hamas or Hezbollah either. We don't know yet what Sarkozy will say or do, so it's pointless to talk about it at this point.

And the US is a different issue entirely. Sarkozy is more trans-atlantic than Chirac was. He's less likely to feed into French needs to make themselves look more important by being against everything the US wants, because ultimately France and the US have more in common than France and Iran or France and al Qaeda. It's a change of direction, but I have my doubts there's a whole lot Chirac did on this issue in the last two or three years which actually mattered anyways. So other than that it annoys you, I'm afraid the consequences for the world are smaller than you think.

Yes, I believe Sarkozy will continue this course. As for Israel, he may well be a little more friendly to them than Chirac was, but then Chirac wasn't a friend of Hamas or Hezbollah either. We don't know yet what Sarkozy will say or do, so it's pointless to talk about it at this point.

And the US is a different issue entirely. Sarkozy is more trans-atlantic than Chirac was. He's less likely to feed into French needs to make themselves look more important by being against everything the US wants, because ultimately France and the US have more in common than France and Iran or France and al Qaeda. It's a change of direction, but I have my doubts there's a whole lot Chirac did on this issue in the last two or three years which actually mattered anyways. So other than that it annoys you, I'm afraid the consequences for the world are smaller than you think.

That's the only thing the really concerns me about Sarko. At the very least you could say Chirac continued the Gaullist tradition of an independent French foreign policy, which after being fed into the EU, offered an alternative to the often single track mind of the US.

Even if the US was right in it's cause, it was comforting to know that it necessarily wasn't the only viable option out there. Shall Sarko merely become another Blair, and offer no real alternative when the time comes, and merely slot in behind Bush?

While he doesn't have to be more 'Berlin' than 'Boston', it would be nice if he continued the French independent streak in international relations.

While he doesn't have to be more 'Berlin' than 'Boston', it would be nice if he continued the French independent streak in international relations.
I think it would be fair to call him a patriot, if not nationalist. So he won't fold over.

The thing with Chirac was that he would oppose the US just for the sake of opposing the US. It might offer an "alternative" (or at least the chance to say 'look, I'm against the US, and so is he!'), but it's not a particularly constructive thing to do.

For the time being the Americans can't do a whole lot. Both military reality and domestic politics mean that they're unlikely to bomb anyone any time soon. Instead they're forced to engage in more constructive diplomatic initiatives, and that will work a whole lot better with European support than against European opposition.

So as fun as being against America can be, this is probably not the time for it.

And the US is a different issue entirely. Sarkozy is more trans-atlantic than Chirac was. He's less likely to feed into French needs to make themselves look more important by being against everything the US wants,

Look at UN records before saying such bullshit. France used its veto right much, much less often than USA, Russia and even than UK. We are not "against everything the US wants" or trying to look important. USA are the ones using massively their veto right to block the majority of the Council, being "againt many thing the Council wants". But once again, distording facts is fine, if it's to fall into clichés...

I think it would be fair to call him a patriot, if not nationalist. So he won't fold over.

No. Sarkozy is not a "patriot" in the french tradition, from De Gaulle to the PCF. Sarkozy is very pro-USA, pro-EU, and friend to the international business world.

The thing with Chirac was that he would oppose the US just for the sake of opposing the US.

That's complete bullshit. Chirac was with the US in Afghanistan, and in many other occasions. He opposed the invasion of Irak because it was a clear violation of international law, and because he knew the chaos it would create. That's what Chirac did, with the support of 80% of french. On Middle East, he had a more moderate stance than the openly pro-Israel stance of Bush, but still, he didn't do anything real against all the war crimes committed by Israel.

Stop saying non-sens. France, under Chirac, was much more an ally than an opponent of USA.

So as fun as being against America can be, this is probably not the time for it.

I'm not against America, I love South America ;) But there is no wrong time to be "against" an imperial power trying to impose its will everywhere in the world, invading, using terrorism or doing some "coup d'État" when they feel like doing it. There is also no wrong time to be "against" the most polluting country of the planet, which refuse any real lowering of its pollution, threatening the whole planet.