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Now let's see what this new, amazing bill does...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19146984/

Under the bill, states voluntarily participating in the system would have to file an audit with the U.S. attorney general of all the criminal cases, mental health adjudications and court-ordered drug treatments that had not been filed with the instant-check system. The federal government would then pick up 90 percent of the cost for the states to get up to date within 180 days of the audit.

Once the attorney general determines that a state has cleared its backlog, the federal government would begin financing all the costs of keeping the system current. If a state's compliance lapses, the attorney general would be authorized to cut federal law enforcement grants, with more draconian aid cuts mandated if noncompliance stretches longer than a year.

The bill would authorize payments to the states of $250 million a year between 2008 and 2010, when the program would have to be reassessed and reauthorized by Congress.

Only one state, Vermont, does not participate in the instant-check system, and even with the threatened aid cuts, negotiators expressed confidence that no other state would drop out, given the funding that would be available and the stigma that would be attached to withdrawal.


...it pays states federal tax dollars to do what they should already be doing. Hurray! And it makes it voluntary to comply, HURRAY! [/heavy sarcasm]

But wait, if they don't comply, they get their federal funding for various thing repealed? I guess that is good. Oh yeaaaahhhhh, it's voluntary to join the system. Looks like the NRA wins again - it is better for the states to opt-out and not have to try to comply with the government auditors and avoid any chance of having federal funding besides the funding for this program cut for noncompliance.

Fuck the NRA and fuck the government listening to crackpot gun lobbyists.

Cut out the parts about it being voluntary and the federal government picking up the bill and it's a reasonable bill.

Cut out the parts about it being voluntary and the federal government picking up the bill and it's a reasonable bill.

Yes, it's such a pity.

Anyone remember that element called Administrium?

Anyone remember that element called Administrium?

Oh, yeah. The one that gains mass over time through moron absorption.

Cut out the parts about it being voluntary and the federal government picking up the bill and it's a reasonable bill.

Cutting out federal funding is bullshit. The voluntary part needs to be removed, but the federal government can't go around dictating that the state must meet some federal standard and provide no support for them to do it. That is one of the many reasons the NCLB Act is full of horseshit.

Sounds to me it's what government should be -- reasonable compromises that get hearings, debate, and can be amended as appropriate.

Sounds to me it's what government should be -- reasonable compromises that get hearings, debate, and can be amended as appropriate.
My ass.
Compromising with a non-government entity. Sounds like giving in to lobbyists so they can get free lunches and plane rides. The whole thing shouldn't be an opt-in system, it should be mandatory and the government shouldn't really be paying them to do what they are already supposed to be doing.

My ass.
Compromising with a non-government entity. Sounds like giving in to lobbyists so they can get free lunches and plane rides. The whole thing shouldn't be an opt-in system, it should be mandatory and the government shouldn't really be paying them to do what they are already supposed to be doing.

Fortunately, I'm not worried about you voting for anything more important than homecoming king and queen, so complain all you want. Good government is all about compromise.

Fortunately, I'm not worried about you voting for anything more important than homecoming king and queen, so complain all you want. Good government is all about compromise.

+10000

The idle whining of the main post is more a reflection of adolescent contrarianism than of any reasonable or mature understanding of political reality or the real world.

The bill isn't perfect, but only a small loophole needed closing to begin with, and as long as this is more or less successful in closing it, it will be a good law on balance.

The real issue, of course, is that states should allow licensed concealed-carrying citizen students onto campus, rather than create mandatory victim disarmament zones.

Good government is all about compromise.

yeah, like them black kids getting schools, but only schools for blacks.

That was a great compromise :rolleyes:

The fact is government is playing compromise on efforts to save people's lives to the point where the bill is so dilluted to effectively render it useless and ineffectual.

I fail to see how this is in any way good government.

My ass.
Compromising with a non-government entity. Sounds like giving in to lobbyists so they can get free lunches and plane rides. The whole thing shouldn't be an opt-in system, it should be mandatory and the government shouldn't really be paying them to do what they are already supposed to be doing.

One of those "non governmental entities" called, you know, The People.

In the real world, the NRA has a huge and vibrant membership. If the anti-2a movement has less political power than the gun rights movement, it is because more Americans support the latter.

They call it "representative democracy."

Ugh... the NRA needs to go die in a fire...

It shouldn't be optional. The government has a duty to ensure that people buying weapons are reasonable individuals not posing a serious threat to the public.

Ugh... the NRA needs to go die in a fire...

How about by gunfire? Seems like a reasonable and ironic compromise.:p

How about by gunfire? Seems like a reasonable and ironic compromise.:p

I like it!

Fortunately, I'm not worried about you voting for anything more important than homecoming king and queen, so complain all you want. Good government is all about compromise.

Unlike yourself, I can tell the difference between compromise and capitulation.

That's a pretty shitty thing to say about your fellow forum-goers.

What the hell are you talking about?

Ugh... the NRA needs to go die in a fire...

That's a pretty shitty thing to say about your fellow forum-goers.

What the hell are you talking about?

http://www.nrailasigns.org/images/nra_vote2.jpg


You don't think there are NRA members here on the forum? You're wrong.

Would appreciate a refrain, as per the forum rules, from wishing death by burning or shooting or whatever other sick shit you come up with on me and my fellow members.

http://www.nrailasigns.org/images/nra_vote2.jpg


You don't think there are NRA members here on the forum? You're wrong.

Would appreciate a refrain, as per the forum rules, from wishing death by burning or shooting or whatever other sick shit you come up with on me and my fellow members.

Hey dumbass:

One, I was kidding about it, and you know it too. It's an expression, like, "I hate your guts" or, "I hope that guy gets hit by a bus." Don't play dumb, don't play the, "You've actually offended people" card, because it's total bullshit.

You're actually in the NRA? Gee, as a fellow gun-owner (Hey, I probably even own more guns than you) I'd like to personally thank you and your wonderful organization for making it so easy for raving lunatics who I wouldn't even trust with saftey scissors, to be able to acess firearms so easily.

Really, thank you so much.

Hey dumbass:

One, I was kidding about it, and you know it too.

With the amount of shit-for-brains idiots on this site, many of whom have "New XYZ" names, it gets difficult to keep straight which are the "idiot child contrarian opinions" posters and which aren't.

If you were kidding, then don't worry about it.

What the hell are you talking about?

There are NRA members (like myself) on this board.