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I'm sure some of you will recall that curious fellow by the name of Sheikh al-Hilali who, among other things (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000920.php) (lol!), said that men couldn't be held responsible for their actions if women ran around uncovered (much like a dog or cat can't be held responsible if there's a piece of meat just sitting there).

His comments (and the more and more hilarious ways his supporters tried to reinterpret them to make them less ridiculous) have obviously led to calls for his resignations. It took a while, as you would expect with something like this, but the Sheikh has resigned and been replaced by a new guy.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Controversy-follows-outgoing-Mufti/2007/06/10/1181414120523.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/senior-cleric-hits-out-at-suspect/2005/11/16/1132016861326.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/11/09/1131407700773.html

Here are two (http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s287380.htm) interviews (http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1063048.htm) with him from a few years ago. He seems to be a good guy, which is great in my opinion. Hilali wasn't helping anyone with his tirades.

much like a dog or car can't be held responsible if there's a piece of meat just sitting there

Is there a big problem in Australia with cars going for meat that's just sitting there?

I don't trust them Muslim leaders full stop.

Is there a big problem in Australia with cars going for meat that's just sitting there?

:p

Knew this would happen eventually. Hopefully this guy won't put his foot in his mouth. Hilali was such a colossal fuck-head. Really didn't help the Muslims he was supposed to be leading, just made them look even shadier. Good riddance.

Is there a big problem in Australia with cars going for meat that's just sitting there?
It is.

They have this ad on all the time, with this raw baby full of tomato sauce. The car just couldn't help itself.

At least that's my interpretation of it.

Well I didn't mind him making comments condemning indiscriminate bombing by Israel in the Lebanon War and about the Palestinian occupation, I agree there. But the rape comments and all that was too much.

About time, I think they figured he had caused enough damage.

I'm sure some of you will recall that curious fellow by the name of Sheikh al-Hilali who, among other things (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000920.php) (lol!), said that men couldn't be held responsible for their actions if women ran around uncovered (much like a dog or cat can't be held responsible if there's a piece of meat just sitting there).

His comments (and the more and more hilarious ways his supporters tried to reinterpret them to make them less ridiculous) have obviously led to calls for his resignations. It took a while, as you would expect with something like this, but the Sheikh has resigned and been replaced by a new guy.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Controversy-follows-outgoing-Mufti/2007/06/10/1181414120523.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/senior-cleric-hits-out-at-suspect/2005/11/16/1132016861326.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/11/09/1131407700773.html

Here are two (http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s287380.htm) interviews (http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1063048.htm) with him from a few years ago. He seems to be a good guy, which is great in my opinion. Hilali wasn't helping anyone with his tirades.

Hopefully he'll do a Krushchev and denounce his predecessor.

I'm sure some of you will recall that curious fellow by the name of Sheikh al-Hilali who, among other things (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000920.php) (lol!), said that men couldn't be held responsible for their actions if women ran around uncovered (much like a dog or cat can't be held responsible if there's a piece of meat just sitting there).

His comments (and the more and more hilarious ways his supporters tried to reinterpret them to make them less ridiculous) have obviously led to calls for his resignations. It took a while, as you would expect with something like this, but the Sheikh has resigned and been replaced by a new guy.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Controversy-follows-outgoing-Mufti/2007/06/10/1181414120523.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/senior-cleric-hits-out-at-suspect/2005/11/16/1132016861326.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/11/09/1131407700773.html

Here are two (http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s287380.htm) interviews (http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1063048.htm) with him from a few years ago. He seems to be a good guy, which is great in my opinion. Hilali wasn't helping anyone with his tirades.

Only just got around to reading an actual article about this (here (http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Controversy-follows-outgoing-Mufti/2007/06/10/1181414120523.html)) and am shocked by the fact that if he hadn't resigned he would have been re-elected. :( Have these people learnt nothing?

His title is seriously "Mufti"?

He sounds like those muffin like things they sell, that are like muffins but don't have a base.

Hilali wasn't helping anyone with his tirades.

He was funny...
Maybe in a horrible 'what a tool' kind of way.

Only just got around to reading an actual article about this (here (http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Controversy-follows-outgoing-Mufti/2007/06/10/1181414120523.html)) and am shocked by the fact that if he hadn't resigned he would have been re-elected. :( Have these people learnt nothing?
Well, would Christians kick out Cardinal Pell for saying stupid things? Religious leaders tend to have an aura of invulnerability when it comes to their followers. You'll rarely find that one is just kicked out.

lets hope the new one smarter

I don't trust them Muslim leaders full stop.

Might as well say what you really feel...as in you don't trust muslims period.

Might as well say what you really feel...as in you don't trust muslims period.

You actually expect a positive comment on the changing of Islamic leadership from NSG's resident Romper Stompers Reject?

Well, would Christians kick out Cardinal Pell for saying stupid things? Religious leaders tend to have an aura of invulnerability when it comes to their followers. You'll rarely find that one is just kicked out.

Hmm... You may be right.

Meet the new boss... same as the old boss...

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21891258-5006009,00.html

THE refusal by Australia's new Mufti to accept Osama bin Laden was responsible for the September 11 attacks has sparked a mass brawl online.

In his first day in the job, the cleric Sheik Fehmi Naji el-Imam stuck by his long-standing view questioning whether bin Laden was behind the 2001 attacks.

"What evidence?" he said when asked if he now accepted bin Laden's role in the atrocity.

Two years ago, when asked the same question, he said: "How would I know? He's unable to be found."

More than one hundred outraged readers have written to this website to protest - while others are backing his call.

Some have even suggested that, far from the al-Qaeda leader organising the 2001 attacks on the US, it was the American Government itself.

"To all you people who do not beleive there were more people involved in 911 should have a look at loose change 911 it does open your eyes and there is many questions that need to be answered," posted Adam of Sydney.

On the other hand, Mark of Cremorne writes: "Anyone who states that Osama Bin Laden is not guilty of the cowardly September 11 attack 'after he admitted to it' is not worth listening too. Of course it is fine to have an opinion, but not when it insults a whole society's viewpoint."

The Mufti's stance flies in the face of bin Laden's own confession, aired in a December 2001 video.

Despite his remarks regarding the September 11 attacks, Sheik Fehmi is widely respected as a moderate Islamic leader who has often spoken out against terrorism.

He is secretary of the Victorian Board of Imams, leads the Preston mosque – one of Victoria's largest – and was a member of the Prime Minister's Muslim Community Reference Group.

Sheik Fehmi replaced controversial Sheik Taj el-Dene Elhilaly as Australia's most senior Islamic leader at the weekend following a series of meetings which led to Sheik Hilaly agreeing to step down.

Yesterday, Sheik Fehmi, 79, said his predecessor had been misunderstood.

He said Sheik Hilaly's comments comparing scantily-clad women to "uncovered meat" who invited rape was meant only for a Muslim audience.

Sheik Hilaly yesterday spoke candidly to The Daily Telegraph, less than 24 hours after he brought to a dramatic end his often controversial 19-year reign as mufti.

"It's business as usual," Sheik Hilaly said through an interpreter. "Now I have more freedom. I will continue to be a pivotal member of the Australian community and fight for the freedom and independence of the Australian public and against racism."

The 66-year-old Egyptian-born cleric still holds his position as senior imam at the Lakemba mosque.

Meet the new boss... same as the old boss...

So, because he asks for evidence of Bin Laden's involvement in 9/11 he's what, supporting terror now? You're so easy to win in an argument, kid...

So, because he asks for evidence of Bin Laden's involvement in 9/11 he's what, supporting terror now? You're so easy to win in an argument, kid...

He came out on video a few months later saying he did it. That's good enough evidence, I would say. As for Loose Change, take off the tinfoil hats. If there was any truth behind it, it would never have gotten as widespread, and those guys probably wouldn't still be alive. And the whole making of thier "models" out of balsa wood is hilarious.

Oh, and that was my first post. Hi. :)

He came out on video a few months later saying he did it. That's good enough evidence, I would say. As for Loose Change, take off the tinfoil hats. If there was any truth behind it, it would never have gotten as widespread, and those guys probably wouldn't still be alive. And the whole making of thier "models" out of balsa wood is hilarious.

Oh, and that was my first post. Hi. :)

There's a difference between conspiracy theorist and terrorist sympathizer. A difference which TPF chooses to ignore due to his hatred of anything Muslim.

There's a difference between conspiracy theorist and terrorist sympathizer. A difference which TPF chooses to ignore due to his hatred of anything Muslim.
Still I would have hoped he wouldn't say something that stupid straight away (or preferrably: ever).

Still I would have hoped he wouldn't say something that stupid straight away (or preferrably: ever).

He's the son of immigrants who hates other immigrants, especially those he assumes are Muslim. Hypocritical not to mention amusing to see his fallacious arguments being torn down like the barricades in a zombie flick.

Like I've said, he's nothing more than a sad pathetic Romper Stompers reject.

Still I would have hoped he wouldn't say something that stupid straight away (or preferrably: ever).

hey i was wrong in hoping he was smart

Like I've said, he's nothing more than a sad pathetic Romper Stompers reject.
I was talking about the Sheikh, but I see how what I said could apply to several people...:p

His title is seriously "Mufti"?

He sounds like those muffin like things they sell, that are like muffins but don't have a base.

i was thinking Kermit converted to Islam or something :p

So, because he asks for evidence of Bin Laden's involvement in 9/11 he's what, supporting terror now? You're so easy to win in an argument, kid...

Because he's ignoring the fact that Osama bin-Laden ADMITTED to the attacks. That's the problem. You don't see the issue here? That he's blaming the US for attacking it's own people?

Because he's ignoring the fact that Osama bin-Laden ADMITTED to the attacks. That's the problem. You don't see the issue here? That he's blaming the US for attacking it's own people?

So? Conspiracy theorist. Blaming Bush, a person that's NOT above killing Americans to fulfill his goals (Iraq), doesn't mean blaming "the US" for attacking its own people. Or supporting the attacks.

So? Conspiracy theorist. Blaming Bush, a person that's NOT above killing Americans to fulfill his goals (Iraq), doesn't mean blaming "the US" for attacking its own people. Or supporting the attacks.

Since Osama admitted to the attacks, and the evidence points to the 19 hijackers, ANYONE who doesn't believe that al-Qaeda did the 9/11 attacks is a fucking nutjob with no shred of sanity.

It doesn't matter to me if they don't like Bush, the US, etc. What matters to me is if they have some thin connection to reality.

This replacement obviously is as disconnected from reality as Rosie O'Donnell.

I guess this is the end of Julian Morrow vs Sheikh Hilaly then :(

I'm sure some of you will recall that curious fellow by the name of Sheikh al-Hilali who, among other things (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000920.php) (lol!), said that men couldn't be held responsible for their actions if women ran around uncovered (much like a dog or cat can't be held responsible if there's a piece of meat just sitting there).

See I don't think he's entirely wrong, in my experience a lot of people are like that. Should they get away with it? No. They should be better than that.

Also, did anyone ever tell him that usually people do hold the dog responsible?

Since Osama admitted to the attacks, and the evidence points to the 19 hijackers, ANYONE who doesn't believe that al-Qaeda did the 9/11 attacks is a fucking nutjob with no shred of sanity.

It doesn't matter to me if they don't like Bush, the US, etc. What matters to me is if they have some thin connection to reality.

This replacement obviously is as disconnected from reality as Rosie O'Donnell.

1- He asked for evidence. That and only that.

2- You know fully well what TPF is (always) insinuating.

3- While Bush lacked the means to do it (thus didn't do it), he's not morally above doing it.