NationStates Jolt Archive

I was swimming just before, and I could see the stars and the blinking lights from the airplanes in the very far distance, and I got to thinking about a cargo airport they want to put in Mayor Barletta's lovely city.

The neighbouring areas near the proposed airport are having problems getting them to not build it. This made me think of zoning and how specific areas are residential, commercial..

What about air space? Are cargo planes allowed to fly close to residential areas?

Are there even air zoning policies? Besides no-fly-zones?

Yes.

What are they? :confused:

I was swimming just before, and I could see the stars and the blinking lights from the airplanes in the very far distance, and I got to thinking about a cargo airport they want to put in Mayor Barletta's lovely city.

The neighbouring areas near the proposed airport are having problems getting them to not build it. This made me think of zoning and how specific areas are residential, commercial..

What about air space? Are cargo planes allowed to fly close to residential areas?

Are there even air zoning policies? Besides no-fly-zones?

Yes.

What are they? :confused:

Depends, i guess.

Depends, i guess.

You can't fly diapers over residential areas?

You can't fly diapers over residential areas?

Ever seen Joe Dirt? :D

Ever seen Joe Dirt? :D
*should have known better*

*should have known better*

I'm gonna start throwing pix into WYTYG's thread soon, just so ya know.
Not of me, just turkeys and some shots around the local populace.

Notice where they put cemetaries in proximity to airports? :(

*rezones ruffys air as his own*

there are places where you have to fly above a certain altitude. not sure what qualifies though.

there are places where you have to fly above a certain altitude. not sure what qualifies though.
I think it's just a thousand feet above populated areas and 500 above non-pop. Each airport has its own arrival and departure procedures to minimize aircraft noise over residential areas, though.

I've heard they aren't allowed to break the sound barrier over land.

I've heard they aren't allowed to break the sound barrier over land.
Not many planes can do that anymore. The 30/30 rule applies, though. You can exceed the speed of sound if you are above 30,000 ft or more than 30 Nm from shore. I'm sure there are waivers for MOAs, as well.

Not many planes can do that anymore. The 30/30 rule applies, though. You can exceed the speed of sound if you are above 30,000 ft or more than 30 Nm from shore. I'm sure there are waivers for MOAs, as well.

30 nanometres?

30 nanometres?

Nautical miles?

30 nanometres?

You metric cripple :). Nautical miles are a worldwide standard in aviation, as are knots and feet.

Nautical miles?

Aaah - I thought it was a remarkably small distance.

You metric cripple :). Nautical miles are a worldwide standard in aviation, as are knots and feet.

Surely it should be air miles? Just teasing, my dad was actually an air traffic controller.

Surely it should be air miles? Just teasing, my dad was actually an air traffic controller.

Where did he work? Tower, ARTCC? What city or sector?

Where did he work? Tower, ARTCC? What city or sector?

West Drayton which is the control centre for Heathrow.

West Drayton which is the control centre for Heathrow.

That's got to be a busy place. When I used to fly through the Los Angles Center airspace, I was always amazed at how many airplanes a controller could handle.

That's got to be a busy place. When I used to fly through the Los Angles Center airspace, I was always amazed at how many airplanes a controller could handle.

Let's just say he didn't come home from work in a laid-back mood. He later moved to a different airport and they used to do rotating shifts - early morning shifts rotated with afternoon/evening ones which was particularly mad.

West Drayton which is the control centre for Heathrow.

that poor, poor man :( :p

Stop being an annoying "NOT IN MY BACKYARD!!!!"

Airports and airfields are a vital part of this nation. It is a travesty how much small general aviation airfields are now being shut down across the nation.

I'm sure the issue will become more relevant once space-based weapons start being built. The US will probably launch one first, probably in 15 years or so. Assuming that it's not clandestine, would another sovereign nation have the right to shoot it down over her territory, considering that she has the capability to do so?

West Drayton which is the control centre for Heathrow.

hey! my dad worked ATC there too. in the 70s i think. also worked at aberdeen and i think he did a lot of his training in belfast. got medically retired while he was at aberdeen cuz he started to have blackouts after a head injury.

hey! my dad worked ATC there too. in the 70s i think. also worked at aberdeen and i think he did a lot of his training in belfast. got medically retired while he was at aberdeen cuz he started to have blackouts after a head injury.

Mine also worked in Guernsey (did yours work in Jersey?), he got medically retired early as well.

Mine also worked in Guernsey (did yours work in Jersey?), he got medically retired early as well.

oh cool. but no, we moved to jersey after he lost the job for my mum to get work while he was ill.

I'm sure the issue will become more relevant once space-based weapons start being built. The US will probably launch one first, probably in 15 years or so. Assuming that it's not clandestine, would another sovereign nation have the right to shoot it down over her territory, considering that she has the capability to do so?

That question was already in principle settled with the launching of Sputnik. By not protesting it's orbit over the US, it was de facto established that all nations had the right to orbit their stuff over all others.

This was further reinforced by the spy satellites that both the US and the USSR (now Russia) fly constantly over each other's territories performing clandestine and military operations.

I think it's just a thousand feet above populated areas and 500 above non-pop. Each airport has its own arrival and departure procedures to minimize aircraft noise over residential areas, though.

Yeah, of course the regulations vary from place to place, but I think Myrm is correct.